The Other John
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recall15
Dimensional Traveler
Well, Gotta be home by sunset.That's the best I can hope for. Wooooosh.
Is time to consider some types of "time loops":
1. Physical Time Loop
In a physical time loop, the space_time loops around to form several closed time_like curves. Since the time in that region is looped, you could only escape it by leaving the affected area. Also, there would be an infinite number of copies of any matter in the area, unless an object left the loop. In that case, there would only be as many copies of that object as many times it completed the loop. This type of time loop cannot be ended or destroyed.
2. Conscious Time Loop
In a conscious time loop, everyone's consciousness loops through time. In such a time loop, causality could easily be violated.
3. Probability loops 1
A probability loop is a variation of a time loop in which a situation is told over and over, or concurrently, but with variations in the story, based on a random event ie:a software bug.
4. Repeated single loops
These are not time loops, but the repeated going-back.
5. A probability loop 2
Is a variation of a time loop in which a situation is told over and over, or concurrently, but with variations in the story, based on a choice.
i think that the 2 Johns experienced the 5 types in these incursions in other time_worlds...
and they make some Moebius curves with the original time_lines... and the altervues and time_ripples reflex the changes in the past 10 years.
Darby
Epochal Historian
And I have to disagree with you. That YOU haven't forgotten the details of your conversations in late 2000 - early 2001 doesn't mean that S/HE would not forget them. You assume that the conversations were important because they have consumed you to various degrees over time. That doesn't translate to the same condition for JT/TTO. For all we know, and the evidence does support the proposition, it was meaningless for JT/TTO. .
What is true is that the story has always played on your emotional positions. You "Believe" one day and on another day you "Question". Good for the JTF because you've never said that you have truly looked at the totality of the evidence and said that its probably not true. So long as you continue to lean toward the story being more true than not then they continue to live off of your suspension of disbelief. It does nothing for you, personally, and it lines their pockets (not that I have any particular problem with that position).
So it all come down to why you believe that HE would not forget something. There's no evidence to lead us to believe that anything that transpired was important to him/her at the time. There's only evidence to indicate that it was important to you.
So why do you believe that he wouldn't forget the details (other than your feelings about the situation)?
Sorry. To explain that to you would give away the secret song. It might help you to know that only part of our conversations were shared on the board for all to see. You also have to realize that you and others are only basing your decision on that information only. You have asked yourselves why doesn't this person just come to the same conclusion I have? Now I have told you why. It is also true that sometimes you just gotta keep moving..gotta keep moving on.
Twighlight
Quantum Scribe
The moral of the whole story is that anyone can claim to be anything on the internet. I've made up stuff myself....back in 1998/1999 I created quite a well known 'female' character in PC gaming circles. Even headed a major gaming 'clan' as this non-existent character.
I was amazed how easy it was ( this was just before the days of Roger Wilco and voice chat in games ) to persuade people that I was the opposite sex and half my actual age ! I created an entire fictitious 'real life' and actually had a good deal of fun being some totally bogus person.
It was never really my initial intention to 'deceive' anyone....it was more a case of becoming fascinated with just how EASY it was to invent and maintain and interact, using a character I had completely made up. How readily people take one, unquestioningly, at face value. Also....very interesting indeed....the peer pressure from those who accept the lie, against anyone who dares question it !
To this day...nobody has any idea that that person was me. And....nobody ever will. I know exactly what it is like to be Titor. There was even a secret word ( just like your song ) used to identify me as the 'real' McCoy. And I've no doubt I left some people wondering..where did I get to.
But why spoil a good show ? Sure....I 'deceived' a whole bunch of people. But my attitude is that nobody is any the wiser, so why not just leave it that way. It is not the deception that hurts, it is the coming out with the truth and TELLING people the the thing was a lie. Why do so ? And it's a pretty safe bet that Titor would feel the same way.
Recall, I think what I am going to do is take some time to go through johns old emails and some of the chats I saved and see if I can examine those different dates by things he said to me. Since I obviously spoke to both. I also noticed he had used several different email accounts and I want to see if they correspond to the different dates as well.just for the heck of it.
Twighlight
Quantum Scribe
Well no....the reason why I am 100% certain Titor is a hoax is quite simply that his 'time machine' is a physical impossibility. I am thus in the position of KNOWING you've been duped, as with no working time machine Titor cannot possibly have been a time traveller.
You are still pondering it all 10 years later...solely because you have chosen to totally ignore the facts.
KerrTexas
Super Moderator
Regardless of whether John Titor is a hoax or not, doesn't necessarily take away the dream of time travel becoming a reality. I can't really find fault with Pamela for pursuing that dream.
How many times does it have to be said that Pamela has been duped ? or that anyone ignores the facts surronding john Titor.
I feel that this has been established and Pamela responded to such comments already, numerous times. Enough is enough on that...don't you think ?
That there may be more than one John is likely, and there may have quite a few people involved with the confabrication of the whole John Titor Epic.
Case in point: The laser picture obviously was altered, and if you look carefully at the photo, and perhaps run it through another photo editing program, you might discover that the person holding the laser is actually a compilation of two different people.
In addition to there being two different people used to create one person sitting in the Corvette, someone had to take the photograph. So, that in itself points to the fact that more than one person is involved.
Within Time Travel Institute are a couple of comments as made by the one person involved with Time Travel Institute who has the means to know who John Titor is...and that poster said exactly that :
"...given that I know who Titor *really* is. "
In additon that one person who would know who John Titor "really" is also posted this in the same thread :
" Darby knows everything I know. He is certainly on the right track. John Titor is a hoax. It will be exposed. "
I am not going to say "who" wrote 'em, but leave up to anyone interested to find out "who" wrote those comments themselves.
How many times does it have to be said that Pamela has been duped ? or that anyone ignores the facts surronding john Titor.
I feel that this has been established and Pamela responded to such comments already, numerous times. Enough is enough on that...don't you think ?
That there may be more than one John is likely, and there may have quite a few people involved with the confabrication of the whole John Titor Epic.
Case in point: The laser picture obviously was altered, and if you look carefully at the photo, and perhaps run it through another photo editing program, you might discover that the person holding the laser is actually a compilation of two different people.
In addition to there being two different people used to create one person sitting in the Corvette, someone had to take the photograph. So, that in itself points to the fact that more than one person is involved.
Within Time Travel Institute are a couple of comments as made by the one person involved with Time Travel Institute who has the means to know who John Titor is...and that poster said exactly that :
"...given that I know who Titor *really* is. "
In additon that one person who would know who John Titor "really" is also posted this in the same thread :
" Darby knows everything I know. He is certainly on the right track. John Titor is a hoax. It will be exposed. "
I am not going to say "who" wrote 'em, but leave up to anyone interested to find out "who" wrote those comments themselves.
Twighlight
Quantum Scribe
No I don't think so in the least. Pamela has never once responded decisively to say Titor was a hoax. Instead, every so often we get this ' oh...maybe he was real.....if only he would just write and say so '. At which point, it becomes quite justifiable to point out the facts again.
That is an entirely seperate issue. Whether time travel is or will ever be real is not bound up with the Titor saga........though some seem to wish to have it that way.
Not necessarily.....could be a delayed action camera.
I would be very interested in talking with someone else who has a copy of johns book. I did notice that in the book there was mention of john arriving in 1998 and then in another area it said he arrived in 2000. I thought the book had quite a few errors and then I noticed when the mother talked about a team winning the superbowl I looked it up and it was actually the OTHER team that won. I was wondering if anyone else noticed this as well who has the book.
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
One thing that Pamela and her boyfriend/hero have in common is they both like to make unfalsifiable claims to bolster their stories. And in Pamela's case, such statements serve to keep the focus of the story on her, as the only person who could (supposedly) validate or falsify Titor. Convenient. Enough so that it still makes her a suspect for being a member of Team Titor. Her job being to keep the story alive, and to never show any propensity to disbelieve Titor's tales. In such hoaxes and scams there is often a person planted to be that voice that incessantly says "you never know...it could be true!"
As as far as letting up on Pamela, this is an area where Kerr and I respectfully disagree. IMHO, anyone who does what Pamela does to keep the focus of the Titor story on her invites continual pressure. That is the price she pays for continuing to be an active "public figure" in the Titor story. So be it. It is little different than the role that Al Gore plays in the Global Warming scam. He loves the attention, so he gets it, especially from the people who know GW is pseudo-scientific BS.
RMT
Excuse me but I am not the one who posted the video asking for someone to step forward to verify this john through a B52 song. It sounds like you are threatening me. I am just posting what I know. I am still waiting to see if someone else steps forward and does it. So you hate posts about john titor why are you not posting new and interesting posts about time travel to keep this forum active? You claim to be smart and all knowing in the area of time travel but I see no active posts on here nothing new. Are you really just waiting for time travelers to come forth and post? When I return I look forward to reading your new and interesting topics you have come up with.Your new topics that have nothing to do with john titor but just about time travel. Your theories, what you know, maybe some topics on quantum physics. Should be interesting and looking forward to reading them.
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Oh please. Exactly what did you interpret as a threat? I'm waiting.
I do? Really? Please show me where I make any such claim. I'm waiting. What you are attempting to do has a name: Strawman. Never have I claimed to be "all knowing in the area of time travel". In fact, the knowledge that I reflect on this forum is scientific knowledge, backed by General Relativity, that tells us "time" is not an independent measure at all. Science tells us that you cannot separate time from space. This has been proven to be a fact by many experiments.
You seem to have a problem with science. At least insofar as your not choosing to accept when science tells us something like the above, and the resulting truth that comes along with it: There never will be "time travel" because you cannot separate time from space. If there will be any travel that involves temporality shifts, it will necessarily be "spacetime travel." But that won't stop you from continuing to believe in your time traveling boyfriend... enjoy your fantasy world.
You make the mistake of believing that I am the type of man who jumps at the beck and call of a woman and does whatever she demands. It would seem you are the type of woman who enjoys telling men what to do. Have fun with that fantasy world as well!
RMT
Hello, many of you know me as a hoax, who came here about 1 year ago. I was. And I apologise for it, but it was needed.
I was doing my own research, and needed to get some key people's reactions, to a less elaborate story. I did it with some sucess.
I am not a time traveler, and certainly not from 2044. If anything I have experienced some psychic things related to me, but thats another story.
Like most the Titor saga intrigued me for years, and for years I was just a silent guy, coming here to read, until I decided to pull my investigation.
I still find it funny how some of you never crossed the right dots.
Per instance, why doesnt Oliver Williams appear on cameras? Why does he always has the info about Titor say... 5 minutes after it appeared? But the big question no one asked is: WHY IS OLIVER WILLIAMS VOICE, EXACTLY THE SAME AS LARRY HABBER? Sure the guy does try to change is voice, but his tone, and accent... still there.
Another part of my investigation, led me to discover that Pamela, is indeed part of part of Team Titor.
Oliver Williams website on titor, is registred under the same domain, and has the same owner, as the new JohnTitorFoundation.com website. Godaddy.com
The idea for Titor was just to play a hoax on you guys. But as it gained interest, Larry, took it to a new level, and tried to generate even more interest, so that he would sell all kinds of merchandise.
I still believe Pamela, probably isnt who she says she is. It wouldnt surprise me, if she was also one of the Habber boys doing her part. In the case of my "character" Linkman, its surprising (or not), how she quickly tried to disprove me, when its so easy for "her" to accept a guy she never met.
The 2 titor thing, was a necessity for the Habbers, considering there was already alot of talk about the titor story having flaws here and there. With Razimus doing his investigation, and Rai 2 following Larry's brother, the way to escape and try to refresh the story was to say "hey, im not just one, we are 2 time travelers, yeah, thats why you think im fictional, and i missed some points bla bla bla"
Theres another reason his book is worth 800 dollares or so. They dont want to sell it to the regular audience. They want the media to pick it up. The Hollywood writers. Thats their goal.
Titor is and always was... The Habbers.
I was doing my own research, and needed to get some key people's reactions, to a less elaborate story. I did it with some sucess.
I am not a time traveler, and certainly not from 2044. If anything I have experienced some psychic things related to me, but thats another story.
Like most the Titor saga intrigued me for years, and for years I was just a silent guy, coming here to read, until I decided to pull my investigation.
I still find it funny how some of you never crossed the right dots.
Per instance, why doesnt Oliver Williams appear on cameras? Why does he always has the info about Titor say... 5 minutes after it appeared? But the big question no one asked is: WHY IS OLIVER WILLIAMS VOICE, EXACTLY THE SAME AS LARRY HABBER? Sure the guy does try to change is voice, but his tone, and accent... still there.
Another part of my investigation, led me to discover that Pamela, is indeed part of part of Team Titor.
Oliver Williams website on titor, is registred under the same domain, and has the same owner, as the new JohnTitorFoundation.com website. Godaddy.com
The idea for Titor was just to play a hoax on you guys. But as it gained interest, Larry, took it to a new level, and tried to generate even more interest, so that he would sell all kinds of merchandise.
I still believe Pamela, probably isnt who she says she is. It wouldnt surprise me, if she was also one of the Habber boys doing her part. In the case of my "character" Linkman, its surprising (or not), how she quickly tried to disprove me, when its so easy for "her" to accept a guy she never met.
The 2 titor thing, was a necessity for the Habbers, considering there was already alot of talk about the titor story having flaws here and there. With Razimus doing his investigation, and Rai 2 following Larry's brother, the way to escape and try to refresh the story was to say "hey, im not just one, we are 2 time travelers, yeah, thats why you think im fictional, and i missed some points bla bla bla"
Theres another reason his book is worth 800 dollares or so. They dont want to sell it to the regular audience. They want the media to pick it up. The Hollywood writers. Thats their goal.
Titor is and always was... The Habbers.