Would a TT from the F commune with a web site of T

That's okay, I fail to read minds also!

In other words, I wonder why it seems some people assume so much, when they start a thread up in Time Travel Claims complaining as to 'why a time traveler would even bother to speak?' and also assume that except for the time-travel part of the story, the rest was not thought about by others -- you know those others - they get paid to think about what might be a possiblity of what may occur in the future.

Yes, it is true. I failed the Institute of Mind Reading also.

Ponder all day long at any of it though. Some people will still fail to speak or communicate in clearly and that must be expected. However, I do not perhaps assume as much as some people think that others like me -- assume -- as much as they seem to do. Kind of circular isn't it?

Must be a close-looped curve as like in 'time dimensional shifting travel analysis' dictionary of terms.

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However on the News today, I have to hear again --- how to speak -- or how the diplomats should speak -- now speak without the rhetoric --- and must hear again -- how to think about N. Korea's Leader. Now, we must all be unified as to these thoughts and speak this way.

Nah!
 
Kind of circular isn't it?

Must be a close-looped curve as like in 'time dimensional shifting travel analysis' dictionary of terms.
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Nothing wrong with circles. However, we generally find that the larger a circle is, the easier it is to see it as a circle (rather than a dot). So perhaps your "circular explanations" are just a bit tighter than the "average" person would need to follow them, and discern the opposing points on the circle?

RMT
 
Again, perhaps one is seeing the result of too much -- boozing.

But back when in high school, as in being a high-school act, (ya, that was years ago - back over when on the loud speaker -- President Kennedy was shot) there was this saying going around.

Self - I have to talk to myself, because I must have to have a meeting with myself.

Now, with parallel universes, those universes must be all different, otherwise, that's why I would also have to answer myself, after having a meeting with myself. Self -- and about talking to some others -- just an attitude going around, so a new phrase was invented perhaps.

Might as well be talking to myself. But nowadays with parallel universes, perhaps, there may be something to that afterall -- instead of making a joke about how some others may respond to you.

But then that would change as soon as you said that, someone else may say that -- ya you can talk to yourself if you want to, it don't bother us --- and finally some of those other people would respond.

So, if it seems as if I am ignoring anyone, I really am not --- I am just having a meeting with myself here on this forum -- waiting to see if whomever started this thread has anything else to say.

So back to having an intelligent discussion somehow, if that is possible. I admit, I only know so much and I really do not want to feel like another person, although that is another misconception to me that seemingly floats around with some people who always seem to be bothered more than others in this lifetime.

Now, I can feel for you, and I can try and understand some of it, but I am not off in a parallel universe -- I just do not have any answers for that type of discussion -- I feel though that there are others also living that will have an answer. Been kind of having these same discussions on computer game forums. Questions like "Should I buy this game or not?". I would not know, and actually I can not tell if you should buy this particular computer game or not. That is up to you.

You see, those type of people are asking another question, but end up asking another question then perhaps what they are really asking -- as if this collective social demise is something that is really going around. Sometimes I feel like saying "Only with you is this social demise going around", I tend to see conversations then spiral down, and its even brought up in movies like "Back to the Future!". Is there something wrong with the gravitational pull of this Planet?" There is that word again -- "Heavy". Has something altered something on this Planet?

Well, yes, actually. Now I do not have to have a meeting with myself as in making a joke about having social conversation. Now, literally due to some people -- I can have a meeting with myself -- if I think that I must exist in parallel universes. Again, some of the others state that all parallel universes are different, so I must again be a comedian. Well, got to go, and program something else to learn more about thinking of just programming a computer in the future.

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I am waiting to find out so again off to do something else.


Okay, okay, okay, okay, I will add this:

The Project Serpo is similiar to the same story that was discussed by some people over 30 years ago or back again around 1973. We had just gone to the Moon about 5 years earlier. Serpo is slightly different, but same story about the Ebens who modify genetics and trade with other Spacealiens. Also at the time UFO's were being discussed, lights up in the sky, all that stuff, and again:

Outer Space Weapons to make to use out in Space to (avoid or so they think) live on this Planet.

Between the discussions that seemingly crop up again as they did around 30 years ago, it is China and N. Korea again, not Russia, because some people want to place weapons on the Moon and all of that stuff again.

It seems that 'time' goes around in circles or cycles as it were, and thus, the endless discussions on what to do next in this World -- vs. -- those others across the Oceans.

mmmmmmmmmm.............mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............speaking in a raspy voice. I am a 'mutant' from some SpaceAlien Beings, and you dare not blow me up, or around mmmm...................mmmmmm............. whatever!

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Someone had to bring that up over at the Above Top Secret Board while the looming discussion about Project Serpo started up there, and well, as with 'time travellers' wanting to 'speak' to us, we seem to be going around in circles. I thought only 'dogs' did that actually, humans did not and do not and will not, but I guess, some people think that others are just saying that to be argumentative instead of actually having a debate about anything.
Your own Space Scientist - -Werner VonBraun at that time back then, brought up not to build Outer Space Weapons, to leave Space like it should be - I guess -- without thinking of putting weapons Out in Space.

Now over at the McLaughlin Group forum, or the TV show, it brought up that:
Fear replaces Hope, or something similiar to that.

In my case, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...................... I am a mutant!...............mmmmmmmmmmm.........not really! Get a life!
 
The frutaion of my prediction would cause the authorities of today to instantly shut down this site and all members put to intense investigion.
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Anyone know why anomolies.net(work) is currently off air?
 
An EVENTRON is a 'pulse event charting device' which is generated by 'first sub-atomic mechyon'. It enables a 'visitor' to 'KNOW' the events taking place in a his/her field of influence.
It's a 'map'.

The REVERSET is my ejector seat, my lifeline. I can go back to when I came faster than it took me to get here, so cancelling out my visit entirely........ It never happened, yet it did.....

You can TIME TRAVEL in your dreams, if you know how. With the aid of a certain device (already presently developed, yet unknown, you can get a LIFT in your dreams........take you anywhere.
There is also, of course, the other way, the 'metamorphosis' way. Have to, can't go through physically. NEED TO CHANGE ATOMIC STRUCTURE, BECOME LIGHT ENERGY. Then change back.

A DUPLICATION SPECIALIST would duplicate something for you......your DNA.....an event in TIME.

Your book about JT
 
There are not different sizes of infinity. Infinity has only one single expanse. Even numbers and odd numbers belong to the same math, and math is an infinite whole.
Even numbers cannot exist without odd numbers, and vice-versa. Zero belongs to the same entity, and zero is as infinite as its counterpart.
There was NO begining, and there is NO end.

Who needs PROOF of TIME TRAVEL? It's happening. Don't you see it around you?
 
You can TIME TRAVEL in your sleep.

Yes, WHITE HOLES exist. Their relationship to time travel is via black hole tech. Transformation, Spinning Blackhole, Gateway, Bridge, Whitehole, Infinite Routes, like waving sea weed, your there.....Heaven, take your choice, choose your route to where and when you want to go. Problems?

A WHITEHOLE is where you arrive at, and where you select/accept a route.

No need to worry about SPACE JUNK, or travelling through a noisless vacuum, the FTL tech builds its own tunnel as it rages forth. Doesn't touch the other three dims at all.
Got to go.
 
Pamela,

If someone else would have offered to post his pictures(no one did)
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Technically its correct that no one made an offer to post his photos before you. But its also true that he posted about his photos at 0116 hrs on 2-NOV-2000 and you were the very next poster at 0548 hrs. Though no one may have made the offer (possibly because he didn't ask for any assistance along those lines) they really didn't have much of an opportunity.
 
Quote from Darby:
"Technically its correct that no one made an offer to post his photos before you. But its also true that he posted about his photos at 0116 hrs on 2-NOV-2000 and you were the very next poster at 0548 hrs. Though no one may have made the offer (possibly because he didn't ask for any assistance along those lines) they really didn't have much of an opportunity."





He didn't ask for assistance? (in italics)I gave him options.(in bold) He CHOSE to email me.(in blue)


TimeTravel_0
unregistered posted 02 November 2000 01:16
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Wow! Paul is right on the money. I was just about to give up hope on anyone knowing who Tipler or Kerr was on this worldline.
By the way, #2 is the correct answer and the basics for time travel start at CERN in about a year and end in 2034 with the first "time machine" built by GE. Too bad we can't post pictures or I'd show it to you.

TimeTravel_0-
Guess what? You can put pictures on Doc's board ... we would like to see it.
here is the URL: http://pub2.ezboard.com/bmagisystems
Im sure he would be more than happy to post the picture for you. He is the moderator for the montauk section on this web site.
Look forward to seeing your picture!
thanks,
pamela


TimeTravel_0
unregistered posted 02 November 2000 08:55
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Is there a site where I don't need to register personal information to post pictures?

pamela
Member posted 02 November 2000 12:26
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Time travel_0-
Iam registered on Doc's site.
you can send it to me and I will post it for you.and if you want you can always set up a new e-mail account and only use it once. There may be a site where you could post the picture with no info but I personally don't know of any. because of what people would put up with no accountability.
any other info you give will remain confidential . besides your IP address is already logged on this forum when you post. I'll help you out if you want.or you could just e-mail Doc yourself Im sure he would put it up for you without registering.just explain the situation to him. I feel he is very trustworthy. Actually he posted someone elses picture annonymously that claimed he built a time machine. his name was "director". thats it.
sincerely,
pamela


TimeTravel_0
unregistered posted 02 November 2000 18:27
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<font color="blue"> I'll be happy to send them to you and answer any questions you may have.[/COLOR]
 
I work on so many things, I have to just decide to end that all, and work on just one thing. Basically it depends again on Microsoft, while Apple Computers had some of this stuff back 26 years ago.

Basically, I think the Space Shuttle is still using those old computers. Although I do not use mine anymore, I do have books on machine language programming. But, oh, say can you C?

Again, I had to fix this to keep up with updates, because again, just being a few years old, Microsoft has changed things again -- this time with Unicode for Wide Character Strings - or not ANSI strings like of old.
But hey, I fixed the program out of the book, and it works. Of course the Demo.exe program from the book did work still, but again, it is not really 16-bit computer anymore -- it's at least 32-bit and 64-bit is gaining, although really not needed all that much yet.

/* DemoInBook
Book - Part I page 156
Tricks of the Windows Game Programming Gurus
June 15, 2006
VisualStudio.net 2002
*/
//Exclude rarely used stuff
#define WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN

// MACROS /////////////////////////////////////////////////
#define KEYDOWN(vk_code) ((GetAsyncKeyState(vk_code) &amp; 0x8000) ? 1 : 0)
#define KEYUP(vk_code) ((GetAsyncKeyState(vk_code) &amp; 0x8000) ? 0 : 1)

//Windows Header File
#include &lt;windows.h&gt;
#include &lt;windowsx.h&gt;
//#include &lt;Winuser.h&gt; // included in windows.h
#include &lt;mmsystem.h&gt;
//#include &lt;cstring.h&gt;
#include &lt;memory.h&gt;
#include &lt;tchar.h&gt;
#include &lt;math.h&gt;
//C runtime Libraries
#include &lt;stdio.h&gt;
#include &lt;stdlib.h&gt;

//Global Variables and Constants
int first = 0;
char buffer[80];
HINSTANCE hInst;
HWND hWnd;
PAINTSTRUCT ps;
HDC hdc;
LPCSTR szTitle = "DemoInBook"; // The title bar text
LPCSTR szWindowClass = "MainWindowEx"; // the main window class name

BOOL InitInstance(HINSTANCE, int);
LRESULT CALLBACK MainWndProc(HWND, UINT, WPARAM, LPARAM);

//Entry Point for Windows Application
int APIENTRY _tWinMain(HINSTANCE hInstance, HINSTANCE hPrevInstance, LPTSTR lpCmdLine, int nCmdShow)
{
WNDCLASSEX wcex;

wcex.cbSize = sizeof(WNDCLASSEX);

wcex.style = CS_OWNDC | CS_DBLCLKS | CS_HREDRAW | CS_VREDRAW;
wcex.lpfnWndProc = (WNDPROC)MainWndProc;
wcex.cbClsExtra = 0;
wcex.cbWndExtra = 0;
wcex.hInstance = hInstance;
wcex.hIcon = LoadIcon(NULL, IDI_WINLOGO);
wcex.hCursor = LoadCursor(NULL, IDC_ARROW);
wcex.hbrBackground = (HBRUSH)GetStockObject(BLACK_BRUSH);
wcex.lpszMenuName = "";
wcex.lpszClassName = szWindowClass;
wcex.hIconSm = LoadIcon(NULL, IDI_WINLOGO);

if (!RegisterClassEx(&amp;wcex))
return FALSE;

MSG msg;
HACCEL hAccelTable;
// Perform application initialization:
if (!InitInstance (hInstance, nCmdShow))
{
return FALSE;
}
hAccelTable = LoadAccelerators(hInstance, (LPCTSTR)IDI_APPLICATION);
// Main message loop:
// while (GetMessage(&amp;msg, NULL, 0, 0))
// {
// if (!TranslateAccelerator(msg.hwnd, hAccelTable, &amp;msg))
// {
// TranslateMessage(&amp;msg);
// DispatchMessage(&amp;msg);
// }
// }
// return (int) msg.wParam;
while(TRUE)
{
// test if there is a message in queue, if so get it
if (PeekMessage(&amp;msg, NULL, 0,0,PM_REMOVE))
{
// test if this is a quit
if (msg.message == WM_QUIT)
break;
// translate any accelerator keys
if (!TranslateAccelerator(msg.hwnd, hAccelTable, &amp;msg))
{
TranslateMessage(&amp;msg);
// send the message to the window proc
DispatchMessage(&amp;msg);
} // end if
// main game processing goes here
// get a graphics context
hdc = GetDC(hWnd);
// send a first paint message to window
if ((msg.message == WM_PAINT) &amp;&amp; (first = 0))
{
//invalidate the entire window
//InvalidateRect(hWnd, NULL, FALSE);
hdc = BeginPaint(hWnd, &amp;ps);
// Drawing code?
EndPaint(hWnd, &amp;ps);
int first = 1;
return 0;
break;
}
// set the foreground color to green
SetTextColor(hdc, RGB(0, 255, 0));
// set the background color to black
SetBkColor(hdc, RGB(0,0,0));
// set the transparency mode to OPAQUE
SetBkMode(hdc, OPAQUE);

// print out the state of each arrow key
wsprintf(buffer, "Up Arrow: = %d ", KEYDOWN(VK_UP)); //Up Arrow
TextOut(hdc, 0,0, buffer, lstrlen(buffer));

wsprintf(buffer, "Down Arrow: = %d ", KEYDOWN(VK_DOWN)); //Down Arrow
TextOut(hdc, 0, 16, buffer, lstrlen(buffer));

wsprintf(buffer, "Right Arrow: = %d ", KEYDOWN(VK_RIGHT)); //Right Arrow
TextOut(hdc, 0, 32, buffer, lstrlen(buffer));

wsprintf(buffer, "Left Arrow: = %d ", KEYDOWN(VK_LEFT)); //Left Arrow
TextOut(hdc, 0, 48, buffer, lstrlen(buffer));

wsprintf(buffer, "Space key: = %d ", KEYDOWN(VK_SPACE)); //Escape Arrow
TextOut(hdc, 0, 64, buffer, lstrlen(buffer));
// If an application is not in the foreground, and should be in the foreground,
// it must call the SetForegroundWindow function.
// If you have changed certain window data using SetWindowLong, you must call
// SetWindowPos to have the changes take effect. Use the following combination
// for uFlags: SWP_NOMOVE | SWP_NOSIZE | SWP_NOZORDER | SWP_FRAMECHANGED.
}
//release the dc back
ReleaseDC(hWnd, hdc);
} // end while
// return to Windows like this
return (int) msg.wParam;
} // end WinMain

// FUNCTION: InitInstance(HANDLE, int)
// PURPOSE: Saves instance handle and creates main window
// COMMENTS:
// In this function, we save the instance handle in a global variable and
// create and display the main program window.
BOOL InitInstance(HINSTANCE hInstance, int nCmdShow)
{
hInst = hInstance; // Store instance handle in our global variable
hWnd = CreateWindowEx(WS_EX_CONTROLPARENT,
szWindowClass,
szTitle,
WS_OVERLAPPEDWINDOW | WS_VISIBLE,
CW_USEDEFAULT,
CW_USEDEFAULT,
400,
300,
NULL,
NULL,
hInstance,
NULL);
if (!hWnd)
{
return FALSE;
}
ShowWindow(hWnd, nCmdShow);
UpdateWindow(hWnd);
return TRUE;
}

// FUNCTION: MainWndProc(HWND, unsigned, WORD, LONG)
// PURPOSE: Processes messages for the main window.
LRESULT CALLBACK MainWndProc(HWND hWnd, UINT msg, WPARAM wParam, LPARAM lParam)
{

switch (msg)
{
case WM_CREATE:
{
return 0;
}
break;
// case WM_PAINT:
// {
// //invalidate the entire window
// InvalidateRect(hWnd, NULL, FALSE);
// hdc = BeginPaint(hWnd, &amp;ps);
// // Drawing code?
// EndPaint(hWnd, &amp;ps);
// return 0;
// }
// break;
case WM_DESTROY:
{
PostQuitMessage(0);
return 0;
}
break;
default:
break;
}
return (DefWindowProc(hWnd, msg, wParam, lParam));
}


Okay, it does not record keyboard responses, just lets you know if you hit the "Arrow Keys" or the "Space Bar Key", but then again, I suppose I can add every key on the keyboard, and make it into one of those unethical programs that record what you type if you would like. No, I am not going to do that. This is only a program to demostrate how to interact via the keyboard in a computer game. Now -- I really do have work to do, and "Time is Limited". Since this is a "Time Discussion" it must be certain that old sayings may have also something to do with more than just the "Measurement of Time". But, due to Microsoft again, one has to continually learn different things while others -- have created the Standard Libraries of the C++ Language - that Microsoft is finally getting around to using and making their code more compatible with -- Open Source programmers who have done that already. There is a Consortium for this kind of Activity, about programming, and Microsoft is finally bending to "The Will" of others who know what they are talking about. C++ programming language was not invented by Microsoft either.

Error, error, error, error, human intervention, error, error, error error.

Alert, alert, alert, alert.
Well, at least for the Astronauts up on the Shuttle, that is continual has they inspect the underside of the Shuttle, unless you are a "Serpon(a)ut"~!

Oh, the fun to be had!
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And if you have any spare time since it came out about 3 years ago now, one can still play MOO3 or Master of Orion ]I[. I am sure that "Macromanagement" is something to consider in the future, as computer get more, but again, where was it at first -- in a computer game.

Well, ta-ta, I guess, or what someone else might have also said 'years ago' also.

Time is the only dimension!
I really do think that. All movement depends on having the "Time" first and does not cause "Time" as much as anyone may think. Again, though I may be also wrong, I am human!

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And not really a Hot-Dog!
 
........why it was important to you to discuss the issue with us. Is it ego? What's in it for you? What's in it for us? Why aren't you discussing the subject on SPR or some other academic physics site where actual theoretical physicists post?
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It wouldn't be important to discuss the issue with you.
EGO? Which variant, descriptive or normative? Perhas altruism.

Life is in it for me.

Life is in it for you.

I have discussed the subject on 'academic physics sites'.

I/we have spoken to many famous scientists on the subject, including, you might want to know, Albert Einstein. Do you really belive he formulated those theories all by himself??? There will soon surface some 'lost' notes relating to this man.

Who gave you the bomb? (IPTIWBAYWGYTB)+(AWTLM)

Who gave you powered flight?

Who gave you the wheel?

Who gave you time travel?

Don't you think that it might have involved a little external influence?
 
You spoke directly to Albert Einstein?
That's a hard one to believe. Hows the guy doing?
Does he still think women can't figure out physics as good as men? lol


Time travelers didn't give us all that. People worked on these problems.
If travelers forwarded the ideas then they stold them from the people who did the real work.
Those people didn't get the rightful credit they deserved then.
 
Pamela,

Too bad we can't post pictures or I'd show it to you
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Where in that quote is he asking for assistance?

And even if the meaning of the quote is stretched to become a request for assistance, where in it do we get the idea that he's asking for someone to post the photos for him?

TimeTravel_0
unregistered posted 02 November 2000 01:16
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Wow! Paul is right on the money. I was just about to give up hope on anyone knowing who Tipler or Kerr was on this worldline.

By the way, #2 is the correct answer and the basics for time travel start at CERN in about a year and end in 2034 with the first "time machine" built by GE. Too bad we can't post pictures or I'de show it to you.
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That's his very first post. When you made the offer that's all anyone on TTI knew about him. He didn't even say, directly, that he was a time traveler.

TimeTravel_0
unregistered posted 02 November 2000 08:55
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Is there a site where I don't need to register personal information to post pictures?
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pamela
Member posted 02 November 2000 12:26
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Time travel_0-
Iam registered on Doc's site.
you can send it to me and I will post it for you.and if you want you can always set up a new e-mail account and only use it once.

There may be a site where you could post the picture with no info but I personally don't know of any. because of what people would put up with no accountability.

any other info you give will remain confidential. besides your IP address is already logged on this forum when you post. I'll help you out if you want.or you could just e-mail Doc yourself Im sure he would put it up for you without registering.just explain the situation to him. I feel he is very trustworthy. Actually he posted someone elses picture annonymously that claimed he built a time machine. his name as "director". thats it.

sincerely,
pamela
[email protected]
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Those are the next two posts following TTO/Titor's original post. He didn't ask you to post the photos for him. He asked for a site where he could post them. You offered to do it for him. He didn't ask for confidentiality - you offered it without being asked.

Following that, three of his next posts aren't from him - they're from you. You reposted off-forum conversations that you apparently had with him. This has always left you in the unenviable position of being doubted (as to who actually authored the posts). The first repost that youy made has many technical errors in it and statements that are inconsistent with his later story after the real questions started coming.

For example your post says that he said:

Timetravel_0: 1) Time travel is achieved by altering gravity. This concept is already proven by atomic clock experiments.
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That's incorrect. Atomic clock experiments are not based on the concept of "altering gravity".

The closer an observer is to a gravity source (high mass), the slower time passes for them.
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That's incorrect. The observer who is close to a large mass/gravitational field does not experience time passing slower for them. They experience no detectable alteration of time in their frame. It is the inertial observer in the "rest" frame who observes that time appears to move slower for the observer near the large mass.

Moreover, he's answering your question about how his gadget works. And in his very first answer to such a question he alludes to "high mass". This is inconsistent with the story as it evolves. In the evolution "high mass" becomes "micro mass" with a maximum of less than 100kg for each black hole.

Traveling at high speeds mimics this effect which = the twin paradox of faster than light travel.
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Incorrect. The "Twin Paradox" does not involve traveling faster than light. It involves one twin in the rest frame and the other twin in an accelerated frame who travels at any velocity (other than FTL which is not possible according to general relativity - the theory that he's talking about in the quote).

Traveling at high speed doesn't "mimic" the Twin Paradox. The Twim Paradox involves on twin moving in an accelerated frame. He's not familiar with the Twin Paradox (which isn't a paradox at all).

However, this type of gravity manipulation is not sufficient to alter your world line.
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I'll go along with "world line" for the sake of argument only. This too is incorrect. Any "observation" (interaction) affects a change according to quantum physical theory. As his story evolves he hangs his hat on the idea that his gadget alters "world lines".

The basic math to alter world lines exists right now. Tipler first described a working "time machine" through his theory of massive rotating spheres. I apologize for the web site but it was the only one I could find quickly.

http://www.geocities.com:0080/Area51/Station/5763/time.html

Certain types of black holes also exhibit the "time travel" abilities of Tipler cylinders.
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Here's an example of why we shouldn't be posting for would-be time travelers. He starts off calling Tipler's cylinders "massive rotating spheres" which is incorrect. He then refers to Tipler's "cylinders" - which is correct. We have no way of knowing whether he was flat wrong and only picked up the correct word after doing the Google search (indicating that he wasn't really familiar with Tipler's work); whether he simply made a typo or whether you made the typo when you transcribed the conversation.

I've only addressed one paragraph of his first substantial post (and it didn't really come from him).

Why did I never believe his story? That paragraph alone was sufficient proof for me. He didn't show a single iota of knowledge beyond the Internet pseudo-sci of the day when the post was made.

And finally:

TimeTravel_0
unregistered posted 02 November 2000 01:16
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Wow! Paul is right on the money. I was just about to give up hope on anyone knowing who Tipler or Kerr was on this worldline.
By the way, #2 is the correct answer and the basics for time travel start at CERN in about a year and end in 2034 with the first "time machine" built by GE. Too bad we can't post pictures or I'de show it to you.

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How and when did Gary Voss (Time02112) edit TTO's post????? This is the copy of the first part of "Time Travel Paradoxes" that you saved and posted on Anomalies. But if the "edit" signiture date is correct (November 19, 2000) it was edited right here on TTI less than two weeks after TTO started posting. I don't recall that Gary was a Moderator or Admin. The Mod at that time was Dymenzionz (I think that you first saved the copy of Time Travel Paradoxes on one of Dymenzionz sites - but that was long after November 19th - it was after the thread blew up and we started the new thread Topics Limited to 11 pages - January 26, 2001).

http://www.anomalies.net/time_travel/tt.html
 
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Pamela,


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Where in that quote is he asking for assistance?

And even if the meaning of the quote is stretched to become a request for assistance, where in it do we get the idea that he's asking for someone to post the photos for him?


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unregistered posted 02 November 2000 01:16
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Wow! Paul is right on the money. I was just about to give up hope on anyone knowing who Tipler or Kerr was on this worldline.

By the way, #2 is the correct answer and the basics for time travel start at CERN in about a year and end in 2034 with the first "time machine" built by GE. Too bad we can't post pictures or I'de show it to you.



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That's his very first post. When you made the offer that's all anyone on TTI knew about him. He didn't even say, directly, that he was a time traveler.


<font color="blue"> Well he obviously was claiming to have pictures of one. duh.
Should I have thought he just stold it and didn't use it?
He mentioned "THIS" worldline like he knew of another. He made predictions like he "knew" the future. He claimed to have a picture of a time machine and "I" personally wanted to see what he had if anything. He claimed he had pictures I gave him options on posting them.It really couldn't be much clearer than that.[/COLOR]

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unregistered posted 02 November 2000 08:55
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Is there a site where I don't need to register personal information to post pictures?
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<font color="blue"> he obviously wanted to post them. duh.
He also sent them right away so he had them already and didn't have time to make them up that quickly.[/COLOR]

pamela
Member posted 02 November 2000 12:26
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Iam registered on Doc's site.
you can send it to me and I will post it for you.and if you want you can always set up a new e-mail account and only use it once.

There may be a site where you could post the picture with no info but I personally don't know of any. because of what people would put up with no accountability.

any other info you give will remain confidential. besides your IP address is already logged on this forum when you post. I'll help you out if you want.or you could just e-mail Doc yourself Im sure he would put it up for you without registering.just explain the situation to him. I feel he is very trustworthy. Actually he posted someone elses picture annonymously that claimed he built a time machine. his name as "director". thats it.

sincerely,
pamela
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Those are the next two posts following TTO/Titor's original post. He didn't ask you to post the photos for him. He asked for a site where he could post them. You offered to do it for him. He didn't ask for confidentiality - you offered it without being asked.

<font color="blue"> I gave him the web site. he went to it and saw that he had to register personal info
he then ASKED if there was a site where you didn't have to post personal info...I didn't know of any. I was new to the internet.[/COLOR]

Following that, three of his next posts aren't from him - they're from you. You reposted off-forum conversations that you apparently had with him. This has always left you in the unenviable position of being doubted (as to who actually authored the posts). The first repost that youy made has many technical errors in it and statements that are inconsistent with his later story after the real questions started coming.

<font color="blue">Don't you think if I would have posted something he did not say he would have said something about it? duh. Here is another interesting thing. He answered the first set of questions without even knowing that I would ask to post them. If you had a question whether he really said what I posted why didn't you ask him back then? you were there.Why bring it up now when he can't answer?[/COLOR]

For example your post says that he said:


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Timetravel_0: 1) Time travel is achieved by altering gravity. This concept is already proven by atomic clock experiments.


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That's incorrect. Atomic clock experiments are not based on the concept of "altering gravity".


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The closer an observer is to a gravity source (high mass), the slower time passes for them.


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That's incorrect. The observer who is close to a large mass/gravitational field does not experience time passing slower for them. They experience no detectable alteration of time in their frame. It is the inertial observer in the "rest" frame who observes that time appears to move slower for the observer near the large mass.

Moreover, he's answering your question about how his gadget works. And in his very first answer to such a question he alludes to "high mass". This is inconsistent with the story as it evolves. In the evolution "high mass" becomes "micro mass" with a maximum of less than 100kg for each black hole.


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Traveling at high speeds mimics this effect which = the twin paradox of faster than light travel.


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Incorrect. The "Twin Paradox" does not involve traveling faster than light. It involves one twin in the rest frame and the other twin in an accelerated frame who travels at any velocity (other than FTL which is not possible according to general relativity - the theory that he's talking about in the quote).

Traveling at high speed doesn't "mimic" the Twin Paradox. The Twim Paradox involves on twin moving in an accelerated frame. He's not familiar with the Twin Paradox (which isn't a paradox at all).


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However, this type of gravity manipulation is not sufficient to alter your world line.


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I'll go along with "world line" for the sake of argument only. This too is incorrect. Any "observation" (interaction) affects a change according to quantum physical theory. As his story evolves he hangs his hat on the idea that his gadget alters "world lines".


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The basic math to alter world lines exists right now. Tipler first described a working "time machine" through his theory of massive rotating spheres. I apologize for the web site but it was the only one I could find quickly.

http://www.geocities.com:0080/Area51/Station/5763/time.html

Certain types of black holes also exhibit the "time travel" abilities of Tipler cylinders.


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Here's an example of why we shouldn't be posting for would-be time travelers. He starts off calling Tipler's cylinders "massive rotating spheres" which is incorrect. He then refers to Tipler's "cylinders" - which is correct. We have no way of knowing whether he was flat wrong and only picked up the correct word after doing the Google search (indicating that he wasn't really familiar with Tipler's work); whether he simply made a typo or whether you made the typo when you transcribed the conversation.

<font color="blue"> It wasn't me..copy and paste does not make typos.It was copied right from the emails
he sent to me.[/COLOR]

I've only addressed one paragraph of his first substantial post (and it didn't really come from him).

Why did I never believe his story? That paragraph alone was sufficient proof for me. He didn't show a single iota of knowledge beyond the Internet pseudo-sci of the day when the post was made.

And finally:


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unregistered posted 02 November 2000 01:16
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Wow! Paul is right on the money. I was just about to give up hope on anyone knowing who Tipler or Kerr was on this worldline.
By the way, #2 is the correct answer and the basics for time travel start at CERN in about a year and end in 2034 with the first "time machine" built by GE. Too bad we can't post pictures or I'de show it to you.

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How and when did Gary Voss (Time02112) edit TTO's post????? This is the copy of the first part of "Time Travel Paradoxes" that you saved and posted on Anomalies. But if the "edit" signiture date is correct (November 19, 2000) it was edited right here on TTI less than two weeks after TTO started posting. I don't recall that Gary was a Moderator or Admin. The Mod at that time was Dymenzionz (I think that you first saved the copy of Time Travel Paradoxes on one of Dymenzionz sites - but that was long after November 19th - it was after the thread blew up and we started the new thread Topics Limited to 11 pages - January 26, 2001).

http://www.anomalies.net/time_travel/tt.html

<font color="blue"> Gary(time02112) was indeed a mod at one time. You can verify that with The admin here. I don't believe he edited anything out he simply put that little saying in there. Again, you can verify all that with the admin here. [/COLOR]
 
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