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Nitescott, Sosuemeto, You (Peter Novak) are all regular posters at Godlikeproductions and all cover for each other as is obvious in just the last few posts. You keep harping on the same EXACT so-called prediction fulfillments that anybody could have predicted. My God, they talked about these things in the media for months!! Of course, not to mention the editing capability here at TTI and the lag between the time edited. You guys are so transparent its foolish. I, also, will do as Jmpet said he will do. I will not respond to this garbage again. When trolls like yourselves get the upper hand on this site and constantly keep your threads at the top of the list by using proxies and bouncing off each other (probably as the same person), then the moderators here are not keeping tabs to keep this foolishness down to a minimum. Mock on you foolish hoaxers. The TimeTravelInstitute is becoming TrollCentralInstitute. I'm happy to say that there is another place where REAL discussion is taking place among several who used to post here. I will continue to keep my membership here just so I can pop in once in a while and have a good laugh--just like Godlikeproductions.
 
I really don't want to get into this whole thing, and I'm not accusing anyone of anything.

I'm a man of my word, and I give others the benefit of the doubt that they are people of their word.

One thing I found interesting was that there was an accusation towards Peter that he hasn't outright, unambiguously denied being Zeshua or involved with her in any way.

So Peter, I will take your word for it...


Are you Zeshua, or are you involved in anyway with her?
 
No, I am not Zeshua. Is that clear enough for you?

But I am "involved" with her. Obviously. I stumbled rather late into the whole Zeshua story. She started posting in February 2005, but I didn't find out about any of it until sometime in April. I almost immediately began corresponding with Zeshua via email, and we had, I think, over a dozen or so emails back and forth. (I don't know the number exactly because I had a computer meltdown a few months back. My motherboard fried. I had the old harddrive put into a new computer, but so far I've proven too stupid to be able to figure out how to get those old emails to display again. Anyway...)

I was invited by Zeshua, in either late April or early May 2005, to join a very small group of other people who had also been corresponding privately with Zeshua. I accepted the invitation and was accepted into the group. The group contains ten members altogether, including a systems analyst in Indiana, a grandmother in Canada, a financial analyst in Louisiana, a retiree from Florida, a high school kid in Puerto Rico, an office worker in Michigan, a librarian in Indiana, an educator in Australia, and a small business owner in Illinois.

At first Zeshua insisted that the group and its communications were to remain completely private, but later on she gave the go-ahead to share our stuff with others. But we were so conditioned by her earlier adament insistence upon secrecy that we have thus far been reluctant to disclose much that was not already publically available. At a private website known only to us, we have compiled and thus preserved all the public and private correspondence from Zeshua that we know of, including the stuff that was originally posted at TTF, which, if I understand correctly, is now no longer in existence. So we're glad we saved that stuff. We also all posted our own private stuff from Zesbhua there too, but we did withhold certain private stuff that we kept to ourselves. So I do have the record of my emails with Zeshua there, but at this point I'm not sure if there was any other stuff from those emails that I didn't post there.

So to be clear, no I am not Zeshua, but yes I am "involved" with her, or was. She has continued to communicate privately with the group, but only very sporadically, and often very mysteriously, with more codes and stuff that none of the group has been able to make any heads or tails out of.

We, the group, are collectively not 100% convinced of Zeshua's credibility by any stretch of the imagination, but we remain very impressed and interested in the story, and our collective view of her authenticity is certainly well over 50% to say the least. There is alot of stuff we cannot explain away with any logic, and just basically alot of weirdness all the way around. One of our biggest questions revolves around motive. If this is a hoax, even if we leave out the questions of how the correct predictions were achieved, we are still baffled as to why anyone would engage in a hoax like this. It would have required a great deal of planning and work, as well as the persistecne to continue the charade over 18 months. For what? We have no answer.

Nonetheless, we would all very much like to be convinced she is bogus. If anyone here could do that for us, I'm sure we would all very much appreciate it.

My posts have different ISPs or whatever because I post from different computers at different times of the day and week, depending on where I am at at any given time.

- Peter
 
Nitescott, Sosuemeto, You (Peter Novak) are all regular posters at Godlikeproductions
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Interesting accusation. Is that a fact or an opinion? Do you know the difference? Do you have any evidence, at all, of any kind whatsoever, to support that accusation, or is it just your own feverish imagination's voice now being proclaimed as fact?


Mock on you foolish hoaxers.
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Are you also an ESL student?

- Peter
 
If Zeshua has given the go-ahead to disclose your group's interaction with her, why not post the url to the website where it's all compiled?

I'd like to take a look.
 
a group ha... hm /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

who are those people? how did she contact them? so why are you telling us this. you seem to be adding fuel to the flames, turning it into the second Titor Saga.
 
As mentioned here previously, the group is already working on something along those lines. There is some private stuff there that we have to figure out what to do with first, though.

- Peter
 
They’re really very simple questions.

And they won’t go away simply by being ignored.



How did Zeshua, whoever you think s/he is, know the date of the Pope’s death a month in advance?

How did s/he know in advance that Terri Schiavo and the Pope would die within days of one another?

How did s/he know that Terri would die first, and then the Pope quickly thereafter?

How did s/he know that Terri’s feeding tube would not be re-inserted?

How did s/he know that no violence in the streets would occur over Terri?

How did s/he know to warn Sosuemetoo about a coming bad weekend that turned out to include both a divorce and an unexpected death in her family?

How did s/he know that America’s next “major event” after May 2005 would be a “crisis” that came from “the sky”?

How did she know in May 2005 that Australia’s drought would last at least another 18 months?

How did s/he know all of this stuff? If you think you’ve got everything all figured out, then explain this to me, because I’d really, honestly, like to disbelieve in Zeshua. Show me a way.

- Peter.
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no one can know the future, except God.

1 one can only guess and sometimes gets it right.

2 do you believe in genies? I believe they do exist. some of them are good and some of them bad, like us, humans. some mediums or psychics take advantage of some of them to learn information about the future because some genies can go to the high heavens to hear the angels talk about some events. but actually it is forbidden for them to do this. and a light follows them before they overhear everything angels say about it. so they mostly add lies to what they hear.

if this is not a case of 1, it is certainly a case of 2. zeshua's being a time traveller is out of the question. predicting the future correctly does not prove one to be a time traveller. we need more than that. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
no one can know the future, except God.

1 one can only guess and sometimes gets it right.

2 do you believe in genies? I believe they do exist. some of them are good and some of them bad, like us, humans. some mediums or psychics take advantage of some of them to learn information about the future because some genies can go to the high heavens to hear the angels talk about some events. but actually it is forbidden for them to do this. and a light follows them before they overhear everything angels say about it. so they mostly add lies to what they hear.

if this is not a case of 1, it is certainly a case of 2. zeshua's being a time traveller is out of the question. predicting the future correctly does not prove one to be a time traveller. we need more than that.
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All things, it is sometimes said, work together for good. Including Trex's delightful post above.

People often confuse the medium with the message. But it matters not whether a source of valid data about the future is from a time traveler, or an alien, or a genie, or a psychic guess, or a computer program, or anything else you might bring up. It doesn't matter how the data is delivered to us so long as we can trust that the data is correct.

It doesn't matter if Zeshua is from the future or not. The only thing that matters is whether or not we can trust her predictions to come true. Everything else is academic.

- Peter
 
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Nitescott, Sosuemeto, You (Peter Novak) are all regular posters at Godlikeproductions and all cover for each other as is obvious in just the last few posts. You keep harping on the same EXACT so-called prediction fulfillments that anybody could have predicted. My God, they talked about these things in the media for months!! Of course, not to mention the editing capability here at TTI and the lag between the time edited. You guys are so transparent its foolish. I, also, will do as Jmpet said he will do. I will not respond to this garbage again. When trolls like yourselves get the upper hand on this site and constantly keep your threads at the top of the list by using proxies and bouncing off each other (probably as the same person), then the moderators here are not keeping tabs to keep this foolishness down to a minimum. Mock on you foolish hoaxers. The TimeTravelInstitute is becoming TrollCentralInstitute. I'm happy to say that there is another place where REAL discussion is taking place among several who used to post here. I will continue to keep my membership here just so I can pop in once in a while and have a good laugh--just like Godlikeproductions.
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Oh you are ever the proffessor arn't you?

Except for that FACT that I have NEVER posted at Godlikeproductions in my life! NEVER! EVER! PERIOD!
I actually hate that site.

And while you are insulting me and calling me a troll then why don't you search through my previous posts for the last 2 years here at TTI and try to profile me as a troll! Go on!

Don't fear mate! I have no desire to talk to you either! GARN GIT!
 
"Are you going to start on me now?"

I have no issue with you, as you have not been the one posting interpretations of what Zeshua posted, and then claimed that these interpretations were "eerily accurate" predictions made by Zeshua. There is no need for me to discuss anything whatsoever with you. And so I will not.
 
Mr. Novak,

"They’re really very simple questions.
And they won’t go away simply by being ignored. "

Same can be said for my (& jmpet's) questions and points to you. But I am willing to make you a deal: I will be happy to address each and every one of your so-stated "coincidences" if and only if you address all the questions and points I have made that you have ignored (and I will ask for a statement quite a bit more clear than what you have currently offered). To show my earnestness, I will even be willing to go first but only after you have publicly (here) agreed to answer/address all the issues you have ignored and left behind here. If you provide me a clear statement to this effect, my next post will unambiguously address each and every one of the points from this post of yours. Fair enough?
 
You are absolutely right nitescott. I apologize. I was wrong. I was responding to incorrect information given to me. I have seen sosueme and peter post on Godlikeproductions. I was told that you do do and so I included you as well. That information was later corrected by this individual to mean the Conspiracy Cafe. I will make sure to research any information given to me in the future. As to the honesty expressed by Peter and sharing the information about the group that has been corresponding with Zeshua, it makes a world of difference. It does not change my opinion on that validity of the whole thing, but it does make him human. That I can relate to. Now it is not trolling, per se, but a desire to get to the truth of the matter. That makes it believable. That I can also relate to.

With that said, you don't have to tell me to garn git. I'm a gittin.
 
You are absolutely right nitescott. I apologize. I was wrong. I was responding to incorrect information given to me. I have seen sosueme and peter post on Godlikeproductions. I was told that you do do and so I included you as well. That information was later corrected by this individual to mean the Conspiracy Cafe. I will make sure to research any information given to me in the future. As to the honesty expressed by Peter and sharing the information about the group that has been corresponding with Zeshua, it makes a world of difference. It does not change my opinion on that validity of the whole thing, but it does make him human. That I can relate to. Now it is not trolling, per se, but a desire to get to the truth of the matter. That makes it believable. That I can also relate to.

With that said, you don't have to tell me to garn git. I'm a gittin.
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LOL No probs zerubbabel!
Thanks.
 
Same can be said for my (& jmpet's) questions and points to you. But I am willing to make you a deal: I will be happy to address each and every one of your so-stated "coincidences" if and only if you address all the questions and points I have made that you have ignored (and I will ask for a statement quite a bit more clear than what you have currently offered). To show my earnestness, I will even be willing to go first but only after you have publicly (here) agreed to answer/address all the issues you have ignored and left behind here. If you provide me a clear statement to this effect, my next post will unambiguously address each and every one of the points from this post of yours. Fair enough?
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Sounds good. I'll jump thru your hoops if you jump thru mine. That is, to be specific, I will unambiguously address and do my level best to answer any questions you have regarding this whole Zeshua thing if you agree to unambiguously address and do your level best to answer my questions about this Zeshua thing.

That is all well and good, but I'd like to propose that we raise the stakes a bit further than you suggested. I propose that we agree to do our level best to identify exactly where we agree and where we disagree on all points, and in the areas of disagreement, lets try to find out exactly why we cannot agree on those points. In other words, lets see if we can at least agree about what we disagree about.

Can this happen? Can two strangers have a conversation on the internet without it degenerating into conflict? I believe it can. Civilization is not dead yet.

Let it begin.

- Peter
 
>>It doesn't matter if Zeshua is from the future or not. The only thing that matters is whether or not we can trust her predictions to come true. Everything else is academic.<<

Then you miss the point entirely. If it doesen't matter whether or not Zeshua is a time traveler then her time traveling story is nolo contendre which puts her into the realm of the supernatural. In that case, she belongs with "The Paranormal"- definetly not here.
 
I don't agree with none of it, keep it out of here. I do suppose the ramifications of a supposed possible quantum theory and the possible results which won't be known for a time yet. That is time travel and it may be real as soon as the experiment by Kramer is done. As for the rest of it, if you want e-mails from the Past from your computer, then put on the program that was on it when you received those e-mails. If that is is the old e-mail program you will need that one, and if it is Outlook Express, you need the version that was on your old computer at the time.

The rest is subject to a real debate not this kind of accusations out of anyone. The Supreme Court holds you all in Contempt.

That also is like saying that some people think that they have seen a UFO whether it is real or they can prove it or not. Until a real explanation comes about any of it, then it may be construed to be time traveling. 58% of the Scientists as of 1995 believe that there are parallel universes. Perhaps some of you in a sense are trying to argue with the scientists and you have not produced your own theories or offered anything else except condemnation and accusations.

If you need your hands slapped with a ruler from a Nun, go find one.
 
I don't agree with none of it...
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Double negatives, although they are intended to be interpreted as a negative, must be interpreted as a positive. Therefore, you are actually saying you agree with all of it.

:D
 
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Nitescott, Sosuemeto, You (Peter Novak) are all regular posters at Godlikeproductions and all cover for each other as is obvious in just the last few posts.
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Not so simple. I haven't been to Godlikeproductions in over a year. I don't ever remember posting there, if I ever have.

Peter is also a trusted friend of MINE. He didn't perpetrate this hoax, I assure you.

Of course, not to mention the editing capability here at TTI and the lag between the time edited.
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I have the original posts logged, when they were made by Zeshua while she was here. I went through them a few days ago and I've found no difference in what is here now.

When trolls like yourselves get the upper hand on this site and constantly keep your threads at the top of the list by using proxies and bouncing off each other (probably as the same person), then the moderators here are not keeping tabs to keep this foolishness down to a minimum.
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I am not a troll. I've been a member here almost 3 years, a lurker for almost four. Trolls come on here merely to accuse and throw dirt. I'll let the owner here decide who fits that bill.

Happy Holidays.
 
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