What Happens If?

And logic is not the one-way street discussions when the topic and subject is one that discusses this other poster and not the people attempting to see what it may be about.

Some people have tried this all before, like they just give orders when it is not orders anyone has to take on a discussion forum.

In other words, where is the paycheck?
Yank your own chains.
 
Religion is a tool used by the devil to drive a wedge between good people; faith is a tool used by good people to survive in a world of ignorance.

THERE IS ONLY 1 GOD - REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE CALL HIM; ALLAH, JEHOVA, CHRIST. THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF THE SAME PERSON.

EVERYONE has something to believe in, even the atheists believe that there's nothing. That's a belief in itself. The easiest option is to respect people's beliefs regardless of how they differ from our own, and try not to kill each other in the process.

The Pope's death should carry no more significance with us than an African kid with nothing to eat, a hobo in an American back-alley or anyone from Princess Diana to Madeline McCann.

John
 
>THERE IS ONLY 1 GOD - REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE CALL HIM; ALLAH, JEHOVA, CHRIST. THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF THE SAME PERSON.<

This is not a correct statement. Allah has no son; there is no God but God. Catholics believe in God the Father and God the Son plus the Holy Spirit, which is considered polytheism by Muslims.
 
On 3/3/2005, Zeshua wrote
The most important thing, which I must reveal now is, that, above all, I must always sustain a degree of disbelief.
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It is obvious now that at least some of Zeshua's predictions in the Blast from the Past poem have not come true on schedule.

If all of her predictions in the Blast from the Past poem HAD come clearly and indisputably true between 2007-2009, would she have been able to maintain that degree of disbelief? I don't think so.

It seems to me that it wouldn't have been possible to accomplish both goals.
 
You and Zeshua are both done, Peter. It is now 2010.

Your weak and overstretched attempts to make news items fit Zeshua's transcriptions of what was already in the news is not, repeat NOT, accepted by most people here, nor anywhere else.

Once again I point out that you, of your own free will and uncoerced, at one time made a promise to stop posting here and not come back. You could not honor your own statement of intent, and as such you dishonored yourself.

The question now is: Will you stop your incessant Zeshua focus especially since it is clear no one here cares? It was a hoax. I know you may not wish to think that, because it probably cost you a good deal of money with a certain "publishing assistance" organization to stage this hoax in a desperate attempt to keep your name and your books somewhere above the bottom of google search rankings.

It is no secret that I do not like hoaxers, and I tend to treat them as the fraudsters they are. It is also no secret that I do not like the people who knowingly prop-up hoaxers with inane and flimsy "interpretations".

This thread will likely be moved to the TT Claims forum, where all the other Zeshua threads have been consolidated, unless there is significant feedback from forum users asking not to do that. I have also mentioned in the past that we may consider closing the Zeshua threads now that their prediction timeframe has come and gone.
RMT
 
Here's a (presumably) fictional scenario:

A time traveler in a beat-up Chevy appears on a beach. A guy walking his dog sees this happen. Freaked out, he runs home and starts screaming to his wife to grab a camera and come see this. They race out together and the husband explains what he saw. Unfortunately, the old Chevy and it's passenger are gone. They quickly scan the beach and the surrounding roads but he is long gone. The wife is skeptical to say the least. Even though she's known her husband to always be a level-headed man, she thinks he may have cracked. The husband senses this and decides to make light of it, claiming to have just played a practical joke on her.

Still overwhelmed by his experience, and bursting at the seams to tell someone about his encounter, the man – with his wife's reaction in mind – decides that the only way he could possibly tell anyone about this is anonymously - on the Internet. He Googles terms like, “materializing car” and “time travel” that lead him to a few sites dedicated to the unusual and unexplained. The man registers at one site with a fake name and a disposable email address. He's a well-respected businessman in his community and he would never jeopardize that with this unfathomable tale. He pokes around the website a bit, seeing other people's “unbelievables” on display and decides to post his own. He pours out his experience to strangers because even his family would never believe him. It's cathartic for the man to put this thing into words but it also creates it's own anxiety. He's observed the posts of others being dismissed, derided and diminished … and he is next.

The hope of finding just one other person … someone who might possibly help him understand the who, what, where, how and when of his encounter ... drives him to press forward. In the ensuing days, he weathers the many barbs of criticism. He withstands the accusations and name calling. After a while, he becomes adept at ignoring the posts of the usual suspects – those whose mission seems to be saving everyone from their own stupidity and gullibility. Eventually, the man mostly withdraws from the communities he hoped would bring him knowledge and understanding. He continues to check the old websites from time to time. Most have died off, while others have become a place only the hoax-busters frequent.

Then, one day, the man realizes the meaning of it all; time travel could never exist in a universe that was absent skeptics! Every drop in the rippling ponds of time would create much bigger waves if propagated by belief. Whenever a traveler makes a wave, they rely on the skeptics to save them from a tsunami. Each time a traveler did something like predict a famous person's death a month in advance, belief would explode all over the world on that fated day. Future travelers could never risk such a thing. Changing their past with mass belief would likely end their lives as they knew it. Disbelief, doubt and suspicion are the most important ingredients.

The hoax-busters themselves make time travel possible!



Anagram for ZESHUA … HAZE US

Life goes on...
 
Then, one day, the man realizes the meaning of it all; time travel could never exist in a universe that was absent skeptics!
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That is pretty funny, Jim. Can you not identify the immediate falsification of that premise? Without making any assumptions about physics, and using only syllogistic logic:

If there is no one available to be skeptical of any claim, then "time travel" could most certainly exist... and in fact it could be argued to be the source of all phenomenon... for there is no one to question any such conclusion! In a universe where no one questions claims, we are all time travelers, magicians, and even gods with limitless power.

Each time a traveler did something like predict a famous person's death a month in advance, belief would explode all over the world on that fated day. Future travelers could never risk such a thing.
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It would not even take a time traveler's action to cause this. ANY action, whether time-traveling or not, would cause this. In fact, in a universe with no skeptics, any time traveler could not possibly avoid such an "explosion" for it would be a continuously-occurring phenomenon. Such a universe would have infinite probabilities for all things, at least in the minds of the observers.

Changing their past with mass belief would likely end their lives as they knew it.
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Technically, they would never have an existence to begin with, because what is being described is a homogenous continuum. We know from physics that imbalance is required for energy to flow... symmetry breaking is what the physicists call it.

Disbelief, doubt and suspicion are the most important ingredients.
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Almost. It is the interplay of belief and non-belief, for that is what arises from a break in symmetry. This is the Principle of Polarity, which is just one of the fundamental principles described by the Kybalion (and other Hermetic texts).

Hypothetically speaking, of course! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

RMT
 
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