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[RainmanTime]

Oh yeah... that Swine Flu is just devastating the world, now isn't it Peter?

And gosh, we have had rain and thunderstorms in June out here in SoCal...VERY unusual for this time of year. Obviously, it must be global warming and swine flu combining their devastating forces to create these odd conditions!

RMT

 

[recall15]

Re: H1N1 -Human Flu-

Quoted:
Australia swine flu count soars near 900: official
June 4th, 2009

Australia's swine flu tally rocketed by more than a third on Thursday to nearly 900 as officials scrambled to contain the rapidly spreading virus.

The latest official figures revealed 876 confirmed cases of A(H1N1) influenza in the world's fourth most affected country -- up from 633 a day earlier and single figures just a fortnight ago.

Other Australian states ordered children returning from flu hotspot Victoria to be quarantined, earning the wrath of Melbourne officials.

"Swine flu is an international and national phenomenon and that's the fact of the matter," Victoria premier John Brumby said.

"Frankly I thought the statements made by particularly the New South Wales government were just silly and extreme."

The island state of Tasmania on Wednesday joined Queensland, New South Wales and South Australia in ordering that children arriving from Victoria be quarantined for up to seven days to reduce the threat of swine flu.

"The exclusion will apply for seven days from departure from Victoria," said Tasmania's Director of Public Health Chrissie Pickin.

"It applies to all children returning from Victoria and other affected areas, whether or not they have a flu-like illness," she said.

Victoria, which has 752 cases or about 86 percent of the national total, raised its alert level on Wednesday and has shuttered 14 schools.

State Health Minister Daniel Andrews insisted his government's moves to limit the spread of the disease were working, despite the large number of infections.

"There is no doubt, and the experts have told us, that without the things already put in place, many, many more people -- much faster -- would have had H1N1," he said.

Swine flu has now spread to 66 countries with 19,273 people known to have been infected since the disease was first uncovered in April, the World Health Organization said Wednesday.

end quoted from:
Link to news

 

[Micheal_Apathy]

Oh yeah... that Swine Flu is just devastating the world,

...it's goin underground now, the media won't report it, it's a huge cover up. we'd better just keep checking back here to find out when the world ends.

 

[Packerbacker]

Re: H1N1 -Human Flu-

Australia's swine flu tally rocketed by more than a third on Thursday to nearly 900...

I'm writing this in Wisconsin, which last week had the most cases in the U.S. at some 400+ infections.

But I only know that by looking at the news. I don't know of anyone who has it, or where the infected people are. Someone from Milwaukee did die yesterday, though, I believe.

 

[reactor1967]

Re: H1N1 -Human Flu-

I'm writing this in Wisconsin, which last week had the most cases in the U.S. at some 400+ infections.

But I only know that by looking at the news. I don't know of anyone who has it, or where the infected people are. Someone from Milwaukee did die yesterday, though, I believe.

The flu whether swin or other has always been of high risk for the ederly and babies and others who are in a weaken condition.

 

[Peter_Novak]

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Well, the "election" bit sure seems to be a pretty big hit, what with all the mess in Iran going on.

And Mousavi has openly said he expects to be assassinated soon, which would be another. Well, no, it wouldn't. We'll need more than one to fulfill the plural.

 

[RainmanTime]

My gawd, Peter, you are either an effing idiot or just obstinate in forcing [censored] down people's throats:

Well, the "election" bit sure seems to be a pretty big hit, what with all the mess in Iran going on.

Elections are periodic, and ultimately predictable. How do you know Zeshua was not "predicting" the 2008 US election? With your incessant tendency to "make it fit" without any other specific predictions, it might just as well fit YOUR criteria.

This is yet another case of you refusing to address the issue that most (all?) of Zeshua's predictions were simply already-known knowledge at the time s/he posted back when YOU showed up here. Please show me ANY OTHER piece of that "prediction" from Zeshua that connects the word "election" with anything going on in Iran such that you can come to the conclusion that this is a "pretty big hit".

RMT

 

[Peter_Novak]

Okay, ignore the "election" hit if you must.

Care to tackle the "a 3rd becomes next" hit?

 

[RainmanTime]

Okay, ignore the "election" hit if you must.

Care to tackle the "a 3rd becomes next" hit?

It seems you think this is a one-sided game. It seems you think that you can continually ignore all of the falsifying evidence that I have put before you since you arrived. And you have dutifully ignored all such evidence, and simply refuse to address the practical implications (i.e. the Occam's Razor approach) to all of your interpretations of Zeshua's vaguaries. And yet, with you doing your best to avoid the problems and holes in the house of cards you've constructed, you think I am here to snap-to every little thing that you believe poses a problem for my "debunking". Where do you get off with such a lop-sided set of rules for this game?

While I have not specifically addressed your latest "shoehorn fit" of "a 3rd becomes next", I know you are smart enough to find where I have addressed its basic premise....several times. But in your quest to undertand how I have already addressed it, here is another fact to consider:

When Zeshua gave this "a 3rd becomes next" "prediction", it was NOT included in the timeframe you alleged for her "poem" of anagrams. So you cannot claim this was a prediction that was to occur in the 2005-2009 timeframe. In fact, here is what Zeshua specifically said about that prediction...as vague as ever:

<font color="blue">Zeshua on 4/14/2005:[/COLOR] The Following are all events that will shortly come to pass. In your immediate futures.

"shortly come to pass" and "immediate future".... to me, that does NOT mean "4+ years after this post".... but you will no doubt apply your favorable interpretation ploy to claim that it is. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/mad.gif

You say (seemingly altruistically) that you are here to "help save people". No, you are here to try and scare people into believing your fatal interpretation of the future. That is sick.

RMT

 

[recall15]

You say (seemingly altruistically) that you are here to "help save people". No, you are here to try and scare people into believing your fatal interpretation of the future. That is sick.

Who is Speaking?
The Torqumada of the Time Travel Institute... and undisclosed friends... near So Cal...

 

[RainmanTime]

Who is Speaking?
The Torqumada of the Time Travel Institute... and undisclosed friends... near So Cal...

Whatever, dude. You and your little brain-twisting conspiracy theories. Understand this: What you read from me here, is me, all me, and ONLY me. No secret cabal. No "undisclosed friends". Just one guy who sees his country wasting away from its prior greatness due to lack of critical thinking skills...brought on partially by unchecked, internet bullshit.

The buck stops here. I am drawing the line in the sand. My future and the future of my country is too important to let it be stolen by the gloom and doomers. Period. And no half-baked, half-cocked, failed author is going to stop me.
RMT

 

[Peter_Novak]

... I have not specifically addressed your latest "shoehorn fit" of "a 3rd becomes next" [...] "shortly come to pass" and "immediate future".... to me, that does NOT mean "4+ years after this post"....

Here you do the very thing you condemn me for doing -- interpreting a vague statement in a way that supports your hypothesis. If you see fit to do this, you forfeit the right to condemn me for doing it as well.

What do the phrases "shortly come to pass" and "immediate future" mean to someone writing to us from 20 years in the future? The only certain answer to that question is that we cannot know for sure. Zeshua once wrote to me that most of her predictions dealt with developments between 2008 - 2009, but even that was vague enough to leave the door open for some predictions to be fulfilled outside of that time window. So, we cannot know the timeframe of this prediction for certain, which means that a 4+ year fulfillment of this prediction cannot be decisively ruled out.

To me, I don't think that most readers will feel the news that Kim Jong Il's third son will become the next leader of North Korea is merely a "shoehorn fit" to Zeshua's prediction that "a 3rd becomes next". I think that most readers will see it as an incredible coincidence at the very least, if not an obvious and impressive direct hit. It is more or a "tailored fit" than a "shoehorn fit".

Add it to the list of other "incredible coincidences" surrounding Zeshua's predictions : the date of JPII's death, the arrival of the economic collapse in the very year she predicted (you know, we ALMOST got through that year, but the recession arrived in December 2007 -- that was a "skin of our teeth" hit -- one more month is all it would have taken for you to have had clear and present proof that one of her predictions failed to come to pass), and on and on.

Instead, as things have developed, you don't have even one, not even one, instance where you can point to a clear and obvious instance where one of her predictions failed to come to pass, while I have pointed to a great many that did come to pass. And the only two dated predictions she gave, the date of JPII's death and the year the economic collapse began -- both of those dates turned out to be correct.

Outside of your adoption of the very tactics you criticize me for using, is there any other reason you can think of to dismiss the obvious hit of "a 3rd becomes next"?

The buck stops here. I am drawing the line in the sand. My future and the future of my country is too important to let it be stolen by the gloom and doomers. Period. And no half-baked, half-cocked, failed author is going to stop me.

How emotional! You do realize, of course, that this whole discussion and argument will be decided without either of us, don't you? Zeshua has numerous remaining dated predictions that must come true before the end of 2009 for her story to remain plausible. Before December 31st, we must see major international headlines shout about multiple EARTHQUAKES RUMBLING, about NUCLEAR ISLAM STRIKING FROM THE SKIES, and about a new MIDDLE EAST WAR. It doesn't matter what you or I post here, Ray. The news headlines will themselves prove or disprove Zeshua over the next six months, and there's nothing you or I can do about it.

We're in the final stretch, Ray, the fourth quarter of the game. All three remaining stories must appear in the news headlines over the next six months for Zeshua's story to continue to hold water. Seems like the odds of that happening aren't very good at all, doesn't it, Ray, unless Zeshua is the real deal. One or two of these stories hitting the headlines is not enough to keep Zeshua's story alive. It's three or nothing. So if you're so confident that Zeshua is a phoney, Ray, then you can just chill and let the newspapers prove it for you. And at the end of the year you can exult while I eat crow. That is the best case scenario for both of us, Ray.

And while I'll continue to report here my perspective on any such developments, I assure you, Ray, that I'll be praying at least as hard as you that these remaining three stories stay out of our newspapers at least another six months.

Hmmm. "MIDDLE EAST WAR", eh? You don't think this "AHMADINEJAD" "ELECTION" mess in Iran might have anything to do with that, do you?

 

[RainmanTime]

We're in the final stretch, Ray, the fourth quarter of the game.

More than you can possibly know, Peter. And you have just seen fit to throw me an interception...

Here you do the very thing you condemn me for doing -- (snip)
Outside of your adoption of the very tactics you criticize me for using

It seems you have decided to pull the trigger. However, I would bet you have done so unwittingly. I am not sure how many of my other posts here you may, or may not, have read. But it is no secret to many of the regulars here that I always use a "mirroring" tactic in my debates that go on this long. And you know what? It never fails. In fact, since you think you have researched and written a lot about mystical traditions, a little entity known as Aiwaz was the one who taught me how to use this field-leveling option. And do you want to know the best parts about this?

1) I have willingly (and do now also) admitted in the past that I use the "mirroring" tactic in doing battle. So I have kept NOTHING from you about my tactics...heh...and Obama talks about "transparency". Mmmph.
2) The use of this tactic never fails, and the endgame always begins when the person I am mirroring finally figures it out and attempts to "surprise me" by telling me what I know I have been doing all along (and have said as much!)

I am driving down the field, throwing 20 yard passes and all you can do it look at the clock, Peter. I hope you enjoy the ride, because you are going down...

Zeshua once wrote to me that most of her predictions...blah blah blah <font color="blue">(in case anyone is wondering, the blah-blah-blah part is mine!)[/COLOR] /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

It is too bad you are not aware of some of the things Zeshua has written to me! (Private EMAILs of course!)

is there any other reason you can think of to dismiss the obvious hit of "a 3rd becomes next"?

Oh yes. In actuality, there is a whole LIST of reasons! You see, you constantly underestimate me and how much "homework" I do behind the scenes, Peter. I have collected data from you and Zeshua ever since you both showed up. I have cataloged it in a relational knowledgebase which allows me to explore trends, and come to conclusions. Do you think my own version of Zeshua's anagram "poem" was put together on a whim??? Heck no. Lots of background work and analysis went into that. Just as lots of analysis and development went into ALL of Zeshua's "predictions".... yes, even "a 3rd becomes next." But because I play this game my way (to win), I am only going to give you the top item on the list of reasons to dismiss what you believe to be a "hit". It will become very obvious to people who see you for what you are when they read what is at the top of my list:

<font color="red"> A 3rd Bush becomes next. [/COLOR]

I probably do not even have to explain, but I will for the sake of other readers. Back when Zeshua made this "amazing prediction", Dubya was fresh off his 2004 presidential election win, and his brother Jeb was well into his second term as the 43rd governor of Florida. (I always found it interesting that Dubya was the 43rd president while Jeb was the 43rd governor!) Back then in 2005 everyone already knew that Jeb could not run for another term as governor of Florida. And since the US just re-elected his brother, the tide of "Dubya Haters" had not begun to rise enough to the point where Obama (or any Dem) could be certain of defeating the Bush "political dynasty". And of course, the raving liberals with attitudes much like Zeshuas were always talking about how "Bush was setting up a dictatorship and he will install his brother as the new dictator." I know enough about Zeshua's political leanings to know that this is EXACTLY what she was predicting... but I didn't even need this "knowing."

So yes, this one naturally rose to the TOP of my list of reasons to ignore any "shoehorn" manner in which you could force Zeshua to be "correct" in her "prediction" of "a 3rd becomes next". What Zeshua was really predicting was that a "3rd member of the Bush family would become the next president." And now the real kicker:

I know this because Zeshua told me in a private email...

Instead, as things have developed, you don't have even one, not even one, instance where you can point to a clear and obvious instance where one of her predictions failed to come to pass

Because they are your predictions, and you were the one who dug up the data to force them to be correct.

while I have pointed to a great many that did come to pass.

That is not at all surprising to anyone who knows your part in the game.

You do realize, of course, that this whole discussion and argument will be decided without either of us, don't you?

Absolutely, not. Here again, this is your evil nature seeking to rob me (and others) of our ability to shape our future. You have gotten so used to FORCING Zeshua to be right, that you now think you command the power to tell me (and others) that the future will be decided without us as pivotal players. You are sadly deluded, and the belief you can use this power without consequence has gone to your head. You do not own my future, and neither does the "Zeshua" person who puppets you. "And I will spit in your eye to the last." (Go look up that quote and where it comes from.)

It doesn't matter what you or I post here, Ray.

Again, you are hopelessly wrong. Myself and another friend here who has studied the mystical arts could put you through a little schooling about your "Binary Soul Doctrine". And, in fact, that is exactly what has been going on here, with us, over all this TIME. There are levels of this confrontation that you are so hopelessly unconscious to. I mirror people like you for a very deep reason. A reason that I do not think you can understand because of your insistance on a future of doom. You may think you are an "expert" on hemetic traditions because you wrote a few books about them. But I know, from nothing other than the energy you expend here with this Zeshua hoax, that you have never been able to come to grips with what the use of power entails... nor how to use it responsibly.

Your future is quite dim. Unless you learn the lesson you need to learn.

I assure you, Ray, that I'll be praying at least as hard as you that these remaining three stories stay out of our newspapers at least another six months.

That is a lie. I know your intention. It has been made clear to me, and it didn't even take a private message from Zeshua to learn it.

Sic Semper Tyrannis,
RMT

 

[ruthless]

More than you can possibly know, Peter. And you have just seen fit to throw me an interception...

ray is right. you couldve chosen to gain an ally, or argue with ray some more...

too bad. noone truly interested in saving lives would do that. so much for that...

 

[Darby]

Outside of your adoption of the very tactics you criticize me for using, is there any other reason you can think of to dismiss the obvious hit of "a 3rd becomes next"?

Hmmm....I don't know one way or the other what the Failed to Appear as Scheduled Even Though She Wrote the Post From The Future "Before" the Scheduled Appearance Date Zeshua meant by the "prediction". But for those, like me, who have actually followed the NK dynasty it's absolutely no surprise at all that Prince Jong-Un was named as the successor. He's been pegged in many reports as the successor since 2002-3. He's been groomed for the position all of his life...schooled in Switzerland under a pseunonym, speaks several European languages, brutal, hates Japan. You know...a PRK Prince.

I wouldn't over play this particular hand, Peter. It's a J-3 off suit. The undercard is a sure loser. The top card is just average.

It really is an obvious call, not incredible, stupendous, surprisingly prescient...if we assume that the vague statement was actually related to this situation.

 

[RainmanTime]

Peter's awfully quiet since I gave him the "real" solution for "a 3rd becomes next". Kind of hard to argue the one that is at the top of my list, especially considering my point that ALL of Zeshua's "predictions" represent knowledge and thoughts of the day (back in 2005).

But you are, of course, correct Darby about most intel people in the world knowing that Jong Un was being groomed to take Jong Il's place. The CIA and other world intel agencies would not be worth their salt if they did not assess succession for any/all dictatorships in the world... and even make them public.

RMT

 

[reactor1967]

ray is right. you couldve chosen to gain an ally, or argue with ray some more...

too bad. noone truly interested in saving lives would do that. so much for that...

everyone has a muse that is the catalyst for inspiration. mine are micheal jordan, billy miske, and thomas fitzpatrick

Here is my favorite part:

Whatever, dude. You and your little brain-twisting conspiracy theories. Understand this: What you read from me here, is me, all me, and ONLY me. No secret cabal. No "undisclosed friends". Just one guy who sees his country wasting away from its prior greatness due to lack of critical thinking skills...brought on partially by unchecked, internet bullshit.

The buck stops here. I am drawing the line in the sand. My future and the future of my country is too important to let it be stolen by the gloom and doomers. Period. And no half-baked, half-cocked, failed author is going to stop me.
RMT

You see I like it where he says this is all me and everything belongs to him. I can go out on the Internet and post where terrorist, dictators, and activist have said the exact same thing. Here we go again. Same stuff different people. Why Ray is not out cutting peoples heads off or blowing up stuff it is still an "act in the name of a cause" thing. His act seems to be controlling or killing the freedom of speech if that is even a freedom at all anymore. It seems now days most freedoms are regulated or controlled to let one group or side of society do things there way. Much like china or Iran are doing now. Here though it comes down to just a few people or 1 person. Well Im butting out again. Everyone have good time and please remember this is a fictional forum.

 

[KerrTexas]

Everyone have good time and please remember this is a fictional forum.

That's the problem, Reactor. Not everyone realizes that this IS a "fictional" forum. This has been demonstrated on more than one occasion, the most recent example is the post upstair's regarding a question to Zeshua about thier future.

Maybe, if they realized that Zeshua is merely a marketing tool for one or more authors, and created by the author(s) for some sort of "marketing" campaign...they might not place alot of authenticity on these hoax's...or a shifting of thier "own" responsibilites, as it were.

Zeshua - Miss Cleo. There is no difference between the two. In reality, the creator(s) of Zeshua are on-line spammers of the worst kind. It is unfortunate that these people decided to use FEAR as a means to draw attention to their books, and there-by hoping to increase the size of their bank accounts.

It seems to me that even though "you" might see the "fictional" fabrications for what they "really" are, doesn't mean there are others who won't...and will take these "marketing" tool(s) seriously, and react accordingly.

When some individual(s) believe's in the doom and gloom of these "fictional" characters made up to sell books, and seriously believe that since the future is so damn bleak, do something stupid...I just don't understand how anyone would support the doom and gloom "marketing tools" AND believe that such behaviour is okie-dokie ?

AND those who allow the "fictional" characters to go on as real and serious...are just as gulity as those whom created the "fictional" characters to sell their wares .

That you perhaps don't have "all" the information as some do...I'm going to assume as likely and thus don't really understand what it is that you are supporting, OR you do have as much information that some of us have...and "you" ARE a "willing" participant in the marketing campaign(s) that use death, mayhem and fear to make a few bucks.

 

[RainmanTime]

An Open Letter to Peter Novak:

Peter, I am waiting for your reply to this post that I am replying to and quoting from. I feel that, in the interet of fairness, I should warn you that there is one (or possibly more) "time bombs" in this post I made, much as I have orchestrated in other hoaxers and makers-of-wild claims on this forum. I suggest that ignoring this post of mine is not in your best interests, because if you do ignore it and do not respond I can, and will, "detonate" those carefully crafted "time bombs" that I have placed in my reply to you.

You have been duly warned. Not my problem if you get serious egg on your face from this point on.

Oh yes, and I hope you do not think I was kidding at all when I said the following:

What Zeshua was really predicting was that a "3rd member of the Bush family would become the next president." And now the real kicker:

I know this because Zeshua told me in a private email...

Time is ticking away, Peter. What will you do?
RMT

 

[RainmanTime]

I gave you sufficient warning, Peter. So now it is time to start peeling back the cover of some of the intelligence I have saved ever since Zeshua showed up. You walked right into this one with your hubris, and how could I know that you would make such a big deal about "a 3rd becomes next". But you did, and how lucky for me and my tendencies to save data...

I am sure there are others here who were also around when Zeshua arrived on the scene who also received similar PM's to the one I am going to progressively reveal here. I do believe Darby mentioned to me that Zeshua tried such a PM-ploy with him as you will read here...although I am not sure if it covers the same subject it did with mine. If there were others who had such PM's from Zeshua with her trying to "enlist" them as her helper, I would encourage you to post your story here...

So at the first teaser, let's first review my last quote on this subject again:

What Zeshua was really predicting was that a "3rd member of the Bush family would become the next president." And now the real kicker:

I know this because Zeshua told me in a private email...

And now here is a snapshot of my inbox with the PM from Zeshua that pertains directly to this issue that you have made such a stink about, Peter:

Now I wonder who here (and I know Peter's answer) would like to read the contents of this PM from Zeshua sent to me on the date noted in my inbox list?????

RMT