New John Titor Interpretation

"Wait, what if it's in Dec, that's winter too! Ack! I give it till April 21. Then I'm gonna finally get one of those xbox's."

OK newbie. I dont give a crap for next winter. You see, I'm not such an idiot. If its not this 2005, Titor's a bunch of crap! I accept it!!!!!

By the way what about the xbox u're talkin about?
 
"Titor has been to the Disney world as a kid at the time of Tsunami tragedy at the end of 2004."

Why?

“I remember going to Disney World at Christmas and I remember going to the
beach in Daytona.”

I'm not pretty sure, but little Titor is around six years old now. So its gotta be either 2003 or 2004 Cristmas so that he is over 4 years of age to remember it. And he claims to have the War in 2005, which is supposed to be after the Disaster. Life became very hard after that, so its weird for him to celebrate Cristmas and go to Disney World after the War and that too in WINTER, so its this winter the Catastrophe should occur if Titor's a REAL TIME TRAVELER!!!!
 
OK newbie. I dont give a crap for next winter. You see, I'm not such an idiot.

ok I give at least 'till spring though (frost, thaw etc). I read somewhere it was most active in the spring. A while ago I was making jokes that Titors worldine didnt have xbox which is why there was no civil war. I've never believed in the potential for civil war in North America, not enough people are passionate about politics because they are too busy having fun with their xbox (xbox, or insert generic hobby/distraction/enjoyable activity) and the ones that DO care, they are NOT the type that use violence. That was before MEM mentioned yellowstone. Now I'm pretty worried.

But,
The day before it wasn't snowing.
The trees are strangers, leering, disapproving in the ash of winter ..my

If it wasn't snowing the day before, it would be the last part of the year. Fall no snow, Winter snow.
 
Newbie_0:

"I've never believed in the potential for civil war in North America."

Me too. After the 2000 election it is hard for me to believe anything political will cause a civil war. I mean, if the animosity and rancor during that period didn't start a civil war, what would?

It has to be something else. What would make Americans fight with one other if not over politics. Well how about the most basic of reasons - a fight for survival, food, water, etc.

Ka-BOOM. Capital K, capital BOOM.
 
I'm new to this board as well as new to the Titor story. In skimming over the most recent posts, I notice the discussion of when winter begins and ends. What if the reference to the trees and ash means a July event? The trees are surprised by the ash reigning down from the volcanic event. Food for thought.

I held off on buying a computer till post Y2K. Might as well get your X-Box now. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
MEM,

I don't think that you need to worry about a Mag 12 quake. First, there's no geological evidence that an earthquake larger than Mag 10 has ever occured on Earth.

That doesn't make it impossible but it does make it highly unlikely.

Second, our 9-9.2 quake released the equivalent of 27-31 billion tons of TNT. The Richter scale is logarithmic. Using the middle value between 27-31 (29) the energy release of a Mag 12 quake (+3 magnitudes) is:

29 billion tons of TNT * 10^3 = ~864 trillion tons of TNT
.

Titor's civil war would not occur nor would his nuclear war. There would be no life left on the planet if a Mag 12 earthquake occured to engage in either event. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif.
 
Hercules,

Now what is the “Ash of Winter” he was referring to? The eruption of the volcano had occurred in the winter. If Titor was real, its GOTTA be this month!!!!!!!!!

How about nuclear winter?

No. 10: Consider what you would bring with you if you had to leave your home in 10 min. and never return.

This is clearly a warning of the disaster which was made before 10 mins before the eruption of the volcano. Why bicycle? Why not a motorcycle?

Because if you put the list back into context he was talking about the post-nuclear war era. Why a bicycle and not a motorcycle? Because gasoline would be something that was not available.

This little ditty comes straight out of "Alas, Babylon." They had the road bandits preying on the riverside villages. They needed some transportation to quickly evacuate the area (and for general transportation - remember the ad in the story - "Will Trade a Cadillac for a bicycle"? Great Caddy but no gasoline...but it had a good 12 volt battery...as in what Titor's dad used to build electric lighting systems) until they formed their shotgun militia to defend the villages.
 
Darby wrote:


"I don't think that you need to worry about a Mag 12 quake.... That doesn't make it impossible but it does make it highly unlikely."

I agree.
 
How about nuclear winter?

Just read the following, for at least 5 times until u get a clear idea of what message he was trying to convey:

"A Soldier's Winter

The day before it wasn't snowing.
The trees are strangers, leering, disapproving in the ash of winter ..my
world, my life, my wandering path.
I pray God's eyes may once again gaze upon me and remind me that I am still
His child.

I only (think) I remember the first line but the last one I remember. It has
quite a few more lines that I don't remember. It is rumored this was written
first as a letter by a soldier. After he died it was added to and edited by
others. In my opinion, it has become a symbol for the collective guilt my
parents' generation feels for what became of the world."

Just observe- "it has become a symbol for the collective guilt my
parents' generation feels for what became of the world."

What do u get? His parent's generation is in the nuclear war in 2015? Further more he said somethin about avoidin Washington DC on March of 2015, March is not exactly winter.

I dont want to push you into conclusions, but if you feel its the other way around, fine with me. I'm not bettin on Titor either after this winter.

"I don't think that you need to worry about a Mag 12 quake.... That doesn't make it impossible but it does make it highly unlikely."

I'm not sayin its possible, but no one expected a 9/11 in US until it happened. Same is the case with Tsunami Tragedy. You can say a super volcano cannot erupt?
 
No. 10: Consider what you would bring with you if you had to leave your home in 10 min. and never return.

This is clearly a warning of the disaster which was made before 10 mins before the eruption of the volcano. Why bicycle? Why not a motorcycle?

When the volano explodes, a lot of heat, ash and gasses are given out. So I guess Titor recommended a bicycle instead of motorcycle. Motorcycle contains gasoline, which is highly inflammable, isnt it?
 
Hercules,

I'm not sayin its possible, but no one expected a 9/11 in US until it happened.

It's an apples and oranges comparison between a Mag 12 earthquake and 9/11.

9/11 was always possible. The Towers had already been bombed once, Tom Clancey had already written a novel about terrorists who crashed an airliner into Washington, DC and Japan used manned missles (Kamikazi) as weapons.

The Mag 12 earthquake is another matter. In that case it comes down not only to a proper scenario for it to happen - the scenario has to contain sufficient energy. The reason that it is so highly unlikely is that the plates can't store that much energy. That's why Mag 10 is just about the maximum. The stress on the plates is so high that they can't store any more potential energy.

The energy release of a Mag 12 would represent about .1% of the gravitational energy of the entire planet.

Same is the case with Tsunami Tragedy. You can say a super volcano cannot erupt?

Sure, a super volcano can erupt. But the scenario that you've refered to isn't going to result in a civil war between the country folks in the Breadbasket versus the City Dwellers.

In the scenario that you've refered to the middle of America is covered in volcanic ash, firey rock and sulphorous gas. Most of the people in middle America would be dead. The rest, including the City Dwellers, would starve to death within four to six weeks because the food supply would be gone.

I applaud your enthusiasm and thoughtfulness with analyzing Titor's missives. But you've focused on two scenarios that, if true, would be so disasterous that Titor's Saga would never come to pass...not even his time machine...because there would be no one left to play the parts in his story, not even Titor himself.
 
Darby wrote:

"In the scenario that you've refered to the middle of America is covered in volcanic ash, firey rock and sulphorous gas. Most of the people in middle America would be dead. The rest, including the City Dwellers, would starve to death within four to six weeks because the food supply would be gone."

I disagree. About 20% of the poulation would die immediately, mainly those within 500 miles of Yellowstone.

See: http://www.ttrader.com/mycharts/display.php?p=29486&u=memoff&a=Memoff&id=481

The government would declare an emergency and begin rationing food, water, and gasoline. Supplies would be limited. The government would be forced to choose were to allocate scarce resources. Pressured by rioting in the cities the people in the country get less. They feel cheated. "If you push a farmer too far, they stop growing food and have nothing to do but hide in the woods and shoot back."

Sound familar?
 
But the scenario that you've refered to isn't going to result in a civil war between the country folks in the Breadbasket versus the City Dwellers.

I don't think MEM implied the civil war would involve folks in the breadbasket. I think he's implying they are wiped out, and everyone has to move to cities because thats where the food is being shipped. That would make it strong vs weak.
 
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Re: Answers reguarding John Titor...

Well,I`m back to relay the information I was `shown` on John Titor :

At the time he first introduced himself as John Titor-he was a 21yr.old[ pysics major]college student. By the time he posted his public apology for misleading his devout followers even though he stated in the apology that he was a college student,he was infact,at that point,out of school. It was actually him that posted the apology but it was insincere for the simple fact he was forced to confess.Also,he stated in the apology that his real name was Samson Rodrigus[not sure of the spelling]but this was also a false name for he was allowed and encouraged to keep his actual name anonymous.His real first name is David. I cannot for security reasons disclose his last name.During the investigation his original computer was confiscated,it was never returned. He was also warned that he would face charges if he refused to discontinue this charade. However,he visits this very site often and has posted on numerous occasions. One time in particular he claimed to be someone who had "bumped"into a guy named John Titor at a fast food restaraunt.He went on to relay some of the predictions John had supposedly passed on to him during that casual meeting.It seems he still enjoys encouaraging the "John Titor"phenomenon even though he`s being carefully monitored and will face charges if he ever again assumes this fraudulent identity.
In answer to your second question: NO,THERE WILL BE NO CIVIL WAR!
Also,for this society there will not be the opportunity for time travel until near the end of this century. And it will not require a "nuts and bolts"time machine.
One more thing,John/David said he returned to the past to retrieve an obsolete computer part-this statement is in err merely for the fact that in the after-math of the nuculer[spelling?]war there will be no electricity[ever on this planet again] which in short,no electricity=no internet=the renderence of computers as useless.
hope this answer sufficed,
S.
 
Darby wrote:

"But you've focused on two scenarios that, if true, would be so disasterous that Titor's Saga would never come to pass...not even his time machine...because there would be no one left to play the parts in his story, not even Titor himself."

Why do you say that?

I mean an eruption at Yellowstone would not be the end of the world. It could be of a size that it does not lead to the demise of man-kind but does lead to the kinds of events Titor describes.

It would be smaller than the eruption in Toba 74,000 years ago that almost wiped out mankind. That eruption blew 3,000 cubic km of material into the air. The eruption at Yellowstone 640,000 years ago only blew 1,000.
 
Creedo, everyone knows that TPTB purchased GLP and they put spyware on your comp.

http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=46174

Also,for this society there will not be the opportunity for time travel until near the end of this century.

Ahh you gave me an idea, someone should make a site where you could post a link that would place a user defined wager. Because I would click that link and put up $20 that we get it by 2020.
 
MEM,

I disagree. About 20% of the poulation would die immediately, mainly those within 500 miles of Yellowstone.

I don't see where you disagree. The last major eruption displaced about 1,000 cubic kilometers of material. That would indeed immediately kill off about 20% of the population. The rest would starve within weeks. That much is obvious on your chart. The ash layer from the caldera covers the entire western USA from St. Louis to the Channel Islands off the California coast.

If you contained the ejecta and ash from that eruption to a 500 mile radius it would be about 4 meters thick.

The ash from Mount St. Helens darkened the sky worldwide. But a super volcano would be thousands of times more powerful. It would be an extinction event.

There might be some rioting but no one would be around afterwards to write the history. That's probably the best evidence that Titor wasn't refering to a super volcano eruption.
 
"The rest would starve within weeks."

"That's probably the best evidence that Titor wasn't refering to a super volcano eruption."

So your whole argument against the possibility of Yellowstone being the event that triggers a civil war in the USA and the collapse of western stability in the same year is that you can't imagine Yellowstone erupting in anything less than human extinction-sized eruption?

Volcano eruptions come in many different sizes. And Yellowstone has had many major and "minor" eruptions over the years. You can't imagine an eruption that is not big enough to wipe out all of mankind but big enough to disrupt life in the USA, enough that it would cause the collapse of western stability?

A message from JT's grandfather to his family:

http://www.old-computers.com/history/detail.asp?n=9&t=3

A hint from JT:

Are some states or countries safer than others?

Take a close look at the county by county voting map from the last
elections.

http://www.ttrader.com/mycharts/display.php?p=29486&u=memoff&a=Memoff&id=481
 
9/11 was always possible. The Towers had already been bombed once, Tom Clancey had already written a novel about terrorists who crashed an airliner into Washington, DC and Japan used manned missles (Kamikazi) as weapons.

I guess Yellowstone eruption is expected since Titor wrote about it
 
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