New John Titor Interpretation
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I dunno, if a yellowstone errupted would it take out Redmond? He says "This I do know but I won't discuss." in response to "What happens to Bill Gates?". He can't discuss natural disasters... Or stock info...
And he doesn't understand why Bill Gates is interesting meaning JT as a kid didn't have BG in the news every day.
And he doesn't understand why Bill Gates is interesting meaning JT as a kid didn't have BG in the news every day.
everaftergirl
Chrono Cadet
John Titor\'s Grandfather
Subject: John Titor's grandfather
Hello MEM (and others),
I just registered on the Time Travel Institute forum. I have been following information about John Titor and I read your post inquiring about his grandfather...you wondered if it was Don Estridge. You also mentioned one of his daughters, Sandra Marie Estridge.
I have been researching the information you posted. First I wanted to ask, how did you come to the idea that Sandra might be John's mother? I mean Estridge had two other daughters...one of them was married two or three times, so I don't think it was her. However the third daughter was married too. I did obtain the names of the husbands that the Estridge daughters married through free databases on the internet, although I do not have the dates of marriage...I would have to pay for that information.
Birth records for Florida are accessible, but not by me. If a person was signed up with Net Detective or one of those groups, they would have access to them. Some states have free birth databases (like California) but they are hard to find. I could not locate any free ones for Florida.
One interesting thing that I discovered...which would only be important IF Sandra Marie DID happen to be John Titor's mother. Sandra Marie married a man whose middle name is "John". Perhaps her husband is even called by his middle name. If all of this information happened to be tied to John Titor, then if his first name was actually "John", then that could account for why...he would have been named after his father.
All of this information is only relevant IF Philip Donald 'Don' Estridge happened to be John Titor's grandfather. It is possible...but I don't know what the odds are.
It is also interesting to note that Don and his wife, Mary Ann Estridge, are not listed in the Social Security Death Index, as everyone in the U.S. who is deceased is listed there. (In all my researching, I have only found one name, one time, that was missing from the database.) Not finding their names made me wonder...IF Estridge was John Titor's grandfather, then perhaps John warned him NOT to go on Delta Airlines Flight 191 on August 2, 1985. After all, it is believed that John went to the year 2000 to warn his parents to move from Florida, because of the upcoming disasters.
When I could not find death records for Don and Mary Estridge, I couldn't help but entertain the idea that John Titor might have warned them about the plane crash...and of course I couldn't help but entertain the thought of parallel universes, which might have accounted for the names not being on the Social Security Death Index...entertained only, but not probable, as the information about their deaths was still on the memorial websites.
I finally did find some records of the Estridge's deaths, but it was through a website that I would have to pay to get more information from...however their names came up as deceased in Dallas, TX in 1985, so that is them. Still, it is strange that they are not listed with the Soc. Sec. Death Index.
I would love to discuss this subject further and do more research if anyone is interested. If anyone has a membership to NET DETECTIVE (or similar software to access Flordia birth records), please have them get in touch with me and we can take this research further.
I was also reading on another post about the faxes Titor supposedly sent to Art Bell...and posters were trying to get the Art Bell CD that was sold when he retired, to see if some information was on there about it. I happen to have one of those CD's, in case anyone is interested.
I'm happy to be on board and am anxious to hear from others about this.
everaftergirl
Subject: John Titor's grandfather
Hello MEM (and others),
I just registered on the Time Travel Institute forum. I have been following information about John Titor and I read your post inquiring about his grandfather...you wondered if it was Don Estridge. You also mentioned one of his daughters, Sandra Marie Estridge.
I have been researching the information you posted. First I wanted to ask, how did you come to the idea that Sandra might be John's mother? I mean Estridge had two other daughters...one of them was married two or three times, so I don't think it was her. However the third daughter was married too. I did obtain the names of the husbands that the Estridge daughters married through free databases on the internet, although I do not have the dates of marriage...I would have to pay for that information.
Birth records for Florida are accessible, but not by me. If a person was signed up with Net Detective or one of those groups, they would have access to them. Some states have free birth databases (like California) but they are hard to find. I could not locate any free ones for Florida.
One interesting thing that I discovered...which would only be important IF Sandra Marie DID happen to be John Titor's mother. Sandra Marie married a man whose middle name is "John". Perhaps her husband is even called by his middle name. If all of this information happened to be tied to John Titor, then if his first name was actually "John", then that could account for why...he would have been named after his father.
All of this information is only relevant IF Philip Donald 'Don' Estridge happened to be John Titor's grandfather. It is possible...but I don't know what the odds are.
It is also interesting to note that Don and his wife, Mary Ann Estridge, are not listed in the Social Security Death Index, as everyone in the U.S. who is deceased is listed there. (In all my researching, I have only found one name, one time, that was missing from the database.) Not finding their names made me wonder...IF Estridge was John Titor's grandfather, then perhaps John warned him NOT to go on Delta Airlines Flight 191 on August 2, 1985. After all, it is believed that John went to the year 2000 to warn his parents to move from Florida, because of the upcoming disasters.
When I could not find death records for Don and Mary Estridge, I couldn't help but entertain the idea that John Titor might have warned them about the plane crash...and of course I couldn't help but entertain the thought of parallel universes, which might have accounted for the names not being on the Social Security Death Index...entertained only, but not probable, as the information about their deaths was still on the memorial websites.
I finally did find some records of the Estridge's deaths, but it was through a website that I would have to pay to get more information from...however their names came up as deceased in Dallas, TX in 1985, so that is them. Still, it is strange that they are not listed with the Soc. Sec. Death Index.
I would love to discuss this subject further and do more research if anyone is interested. If anyone has a membership to NET DETECTIVE (or similar software to access Flordia birth records), please have them get in touch with me and we can take this research further.
I was also reading on another post about the faxes Titor supposedly sent to Art Bell...and posters were trying to get the Art Bell CD that was sold when he retired, to see if some information was on there about it. I happen to have one of those CD's, in case anyone is interested.
I'm happy to be on board and am anxious to hear from others about this.
everaftergirl
RenUnconscious
Quantum Scribe
Re: John Titor\'s Grandfather
Why is it so important to find out who John Titor is in real life? I mean, he used an Alias because he didn't want his family to be bothered. Yet you are researching to find out who they are, as if it has some importance.
Even what he said bares little importance, unless you are going to use that information to either Entertain yourself or change your possibly history. In fact almost everything John said was vague. On purpose.
I again state there are only 2 types of people who seek John Titor. Those who want to know more of the story, and are whisked away into this wonderland fantasy he has created. Or those who are interested in the time travel aspect, and wish to use knowledge from the future to change the past, usually their pasts.
May there also be a third type, someone who seeks John to help him and has nothing to gain by doing so, but these individuals are rare and not often encountered.
Why is it so important to find out who John Titor is in real life? I mean, he used an Alias because he didn't want his family to be bothered. Yet you are researching to find out who they are, as if it has some importance.
Even what he said bares little importance, unless you are going to use that information to either Entertain yourself or change your possibly history. In fact almost everything John said was vague. On purpose.
I again state there are only 2 types of people who seek John Titor. Those who want to know more of the story, and are whisked away into this wonderland fantasy he has created. Or those who are interested in the time travel aspect, and wish to use knowledge from the future to change the past, usually their pasts.
May there also be a third type, someone who seeks John to help him and has nothing to gain by doing so, but these individuals are rare and not often encountered.
Re: John Titor\'s Grandfather
Ren:
Regarding:
I again state there are only 2 types of people who seek John Titor. Those who want to know more of the story, and are whisked away into this wonderland fantasy he has created. Or those who are interested in the time travel aspect, and wish to use knowledge from the future to change the past, usually their pasts
may i ask what your opinion is on attempting to change ones past in general, not by trying to find JT and have him do it for you, but trying to find a way to do it your self. do you think it can be done, and if you do think it can be done, would it be wrong in your opinion to do so? assuming of course that your plans for the change didn't include actions that would be considered 'wrong' no matter where you did them.
If anybody else has any thoughts on this, feel free to through em on in, i'd love to hear them.
Ren:
Regarding:
I again state there are only 2 types of people who seek John Titor. Those who want to know more of the story, and are whisked away into this wonderland fantasy he has created. Or those who are interested in the time travel aspect, and wish to use knowledge from the future to change the past, usually their pasts
may i ask what your opinion is on attempting to change ones past in general, not by trying to find JT and have him do it for you, but trying to find a way to do it your self. do you think it can be done, and if you do think it can be done, would it be wrong in your opinion to do so? assuming of course that your plans for the change didn't include actions that would be considered 'wrong' no matter where you did them.
If anybody else has any thoughts on this, feel free to through em on in, i'd love to hear them.
everaftergirl
Chrono Cadet
Re: John Titor\'s Grandfather
Ren,
Everybody on this board is posting about John Titor...that is what this forum is for. I am harming no one, so don't try to come down on me.
I am a researcher. That is what I do to pass the time. Most people work out their bodies and keep physically busy, but I work out my brain. I have my reasons for it.
I do no harm to others and I am not greedy. That is what you want to know. Other than that, I don't need to justify my posts.
Perhaps there is someone else out there who is interested in researching with me.
Ren,
Everybody on this board is posting about John Titor...that is what this forum is for. I am harming no one, so don't try to come down on me.
I am a researcher. That is what I do to pass the time. Most people work out their bodies and keep physically busy, but I work out my brain. I have my reasons for it.
I do no harm to others and I am not greedy. That is what you want to know. Other than that, I don't need to justify my posts.
Perhaps there is someone else out there who is interested in researching with me.
everaftergirl
Chrono Cadet
Re: John Titor\'s Grandfather
Blu64,
There is also a 3rd type of person who is interested in verifying or discounting John Titor's story...so that if it is true, they may prepare themselves/family and their lives for what is coming.
If John Titor is not real, then we don't have to think about living with a civil war, famine, disease, etc. If his story is true, then perhaps some people will choose to be prudent and prepare for it.
I think there may be a lot of people in this 3rd group.
Blu64,
There is also a 3rd type of person who is interested in verifying or discounting John Titor's story...so that if it is true, they may prepare themselves/family and their lives for what is coming.
If John Titor is not real, then we don't have to think about living with a civil war, famine, disease, etc. If his story is true, then perhaps some people will choose to be prudent and prepare for it.
I think there may be a lot of people in this 3rd group.
everaftergirl
Chrono Cadet
What got me interested in John Titor...
Here is what initially got me interested in John Titor...
First, I have always had dreams that come true...precognitive or prophetic dreams. I am in my 50's, so it has gone on for many years now. My mother also had this ability.
For the past recent years, I have had dreams about the future of our nation. Some were extremely detailed and vivid and I shall never forget them.
Now to John Titor...one of my sons is intrigued with Time Travel. So whenever I ran across something interesting, like article about the guy who made money on the stock market and claimed to be a Time Traveler, I printed out the article and gave it to my son. That was my entire interest in Time Travel...until I stumbled onto the John Titor story.
When I read what John Titor said, many of the details of his world and how it came to be were the same as the details in my dreams. Many things were just as I had dreamed about the future of the U.S. John's story grabbed onto me and that has set me on a journey to prove or disprove to myself whether or not it is true. It is either a very good hoax or it is the truth.
I have lived over a half a century and I know a few things. If we went back 100 years and told people what the world would be like today, the technology...they would never believe us. John Titor claimed to be from 36 years in our future. I know how the world can change in 36 years, because I've seen it happen.
Knowledge doubles every two years...and in the last decade or more, it is increasing exponentially. I won't explain what that means, but anyone interested can look it up. With that in mind, it is not inconceivable to think that in 30 years, someone will invent a Time Machine to time travel. Several people are working on the inventions now...just like they did back when the telephone was invented and other things we use.
With each inventor or discoverer, others mocked them and said the items being invented or their theories would not become a reality or widely used. Those that mocked them turned out to be wrong. The world is round (not flat)...the telephone, airplanes, the internet turned out to be a reality and many other things were invented, we all use today.
Einstein, Steven Hawking and others have shared their theories and discoveries. Time travel is possible, and it's only a matter of time until someone discovers how to do it. Makes sense that the government will be the first to use time travel and utilize it without the general knowledge of the public. That's what the government does with nearly everything.
So that's what caught my interest in John Titor.
Here is what initially got me interested in John Titor...
First, I have always had dreams that come true...precognitive or prophetic dreams. I am in my 50's, so it has gone on for many years now. My mother also had this ability.
For the past recent years, I have had dreams about the future of our nation. Some were extremely detailed and vivid and I shall never forget them.
Now to John Titor...one of my sons is intrigued with Time Travel. So whenever I ran across something interesting, like article about the guy who made money on the stock market and claimed to be a Time Traveler, I printed out the article and gave it to my son. That was my entire interest in Time Travel...until I stumbled onto the John Titor story.
When I read what John Titor said, many of the details of his world and how it came to be were the same as the details in my dreams. Many things were just as I had dreamed about the future of the U.S. John's story grabbed onto me and that has set me on a journey to prove or disprove to myself whether or not it is true. It is either a very good hoax or it is the truth.
I have lived over a half a century and I know a few things. If we went back 100 years and told people what the world would be like today, the technology...they would never believe us. John Titor claimed to be from 36 years in our future. I know how the world can change in 36 years, because I've seen it happen.
Knowledge doubles every two years...and in the last decade or more, it is increasing exponentially. I won't explain what that means, but anyone interested can look it up. With that in mind, it is not inconceivable to think that in 30 years, someone will invent a Time Machine to time travel. Several people are working on the inventions now...just like they did back when the telephone was invented and other things we use.
With each inventor or discoverer, others mocked them and said the items being invented or their theories would not become a reality or widely used. Those that mocked them turned out to be wrong. The world is round (not flat)...the telephone, airplanes, the internet turned out to be a reality and many other things were invented, we all use today.
Einstein, Steven Hawking and others have shared their theories and discoveries. Time travel is possible, and it's only a matter of time until someone discovers how to do it. Makes sense that the government will be the first to use time travel and utilize it without the general knowledge of the public. That's what the government does with nearly everything.
So that's what caught my interest in John Titor.
Re: John Titor\'s Grandfather
everaftergirl,
You wrote:
"First I wanted to ask, how did you come to the idea that Sandra might be John's mother?"
First I concluded that Titor's grandfather must be dead. Why else would he have Titor go into the future and prepare his family? He must have died between 1975 and 2000. I stumbled across Don Estridge's name. He was the force behind IBM's development of the PC. The first IBM PC was the IBM 5160. The first computer in that series was the 5100. Don was born and raised in Florida, attended U of Florida, had a connection to the 5100, and both him and his wife died in 1985.
http://www.thocp.net/biographies/estridge_don.html
Then I got to thinking, maybe Titor didn't travel to Rochester to meet his grandfather. Maybe he time traveled to 1975, went to Baco Raton, FL where Don lived, and met his grandfather there. Don Estridge called his colleagues in Rochester and asked them to prepare a 5100 amd make the special "tweaks." Before Titor left for Rochester his grandfather found out he would not live to prepare his family. My guess is that Titor would not reveal information for his grandfather to avoid death. So Titor's grandfather made Titor promise to travel to the future and prepare his family for future events.
Titor left Florida and traveled to Rochester, MN (still 1975), picked up the IBM 5100, and then traveled to Tampa and time traveled to 2000. This was before the wtc incident when security would have been more lax.
As a clue to his family that Titor and his story was real, Don Estridge had the team in Rochester name the 5110 project, the next computer after the 5100, "Yellowstone."
http://www.old-computers.com/history/detail.asp?n=9&t=3
more coming......
everaftergirl,
You wrote:
"First I wanted to ask, how did you come to the idea that Sandra might be John's mother?"
First I concluded that Titor's grandfather must be dead. Why else would he have Titor go into the future and prepare his family? He must have died between 1975 and 2000. I stumbled across Don Estridge's name. He was the force behind IBM's development of the PC. The first IBM PC was the IBM 5160. The first computer in that series was the 5100. Don was born and raised in Florida, attended U of Florida, had a connection to the 5100, and both him and his wife died in 1985.
http://www.thocp.net/biographies/estridge_don.html
Then I got to thinking, maybe Titor didn't travel to Rochester to meet his grandfather. Maybe he time traveled to 1975, went to Baco Raton, FL where Don lived, and met his grandfather there. Don Estridge called his colleagues in Rochester and asked them to prepare a 5100 amd make the special "tweaks." Before Titor left for Rochester his grandfather found out he would not live to prepare his family. My guess is that Titor would not reveal information for his grandfather to avoid death. So Titor's grandfather made Titor promise to travel to the future and prepare his family for future events.
Titor left Florida and traveled to Rochester, MN (still 1975), picked up the IBM 5100, and then traveled to Tampa and time traveled to 2000. This was before the wtc incident when security would have been more lax.
As a clue to his family that Titor and his story was real, Don Estridge had the team in Rochester name the 5110 project, the next computer after the 5100, "Yellowstone."
http://www.old-computers.com/history/detail.asp?n=9&t=3
more coming......
Re: John Titor\'s Grandfather
everaftergirl
"how did you come to the idea that Sandra might be John's mother? I mean Estridge had two other daughters..."
Don and Mary were married in 1958. I guessed the first child was born in 1960 or so, the second in 1962/63 or so, and the last in 1965 or so. In 1998 that would make the youngest about 33. So I guessed that if any of the daughters were Titor's mother, the youngest was the best bet.
more coming.....
everaftergirl
"how did you come to the idea that Sandra might be John's mother? I mean Estridge had two other daughters..."
Don and Mary were married in 1958. I guessed the first child was born in 1960 or so, the second in 1962/63 or so, and the last in 1965 or so. In 1998 that would make the youngest about 33. So I guessed that if any of the daughters were Titor's mother, the youngest was the best bet.
more coming.....
Cryomaniac
Chrono Cadet
Re: John Titor\'s Grandfather
Would finding someone that matches this information prove John Titor was legitimate?
Would finding someone that matches this information prove John Titor was legitimate?
Re: John Titor\'s Grandfather
blu64,
I think it's important to change it if you have the chance, if you are making the decision to "fix" something.
- the Bible according to JT.
everaftergirl,
The reasons for JT returning are not honest. Any Unix system could be repaired without a "tweaked" 5100. What's left of "UNIX" was sold to Caldera systems in 2000. There is no Grandfather. It's possible JT is a time traveler, but the 5100 and the UNIX bug are flawed parts of the story either way. If these people you have found happened to stumble into this forum and their their real names posted they'd probably be upset. And talking about looking up people in databases scares me even!
I think he was a TT, went back to 98, sent those mean faxes making fun of us because we fell for the y2k hype. It was a 1 shot deal, he can't return. I think after hanging out and listening to music with his dad he had a change of heart for this worldline. He "grew up" and stopped hating everyone from this time, and decided to warn us about Yellowstone errupting this year.
blu64,
I think it's important to change it if you have the chance, if you are making the decision to "fix" something.
- the Bible according to JT.
everaftergirl,
The reasons for JT returning are not honest. Any Unix system could be repaired without a "tweaked" 5100. What's left of "UNIX" was sold to Caldera systems in 2000. There is no Grandfather. It's possible JT is a time traveler, but the 5100 and the UNIX bug are flawed parts of the story either way. If these people you have found happened to stumble into this forum and their their real names posted they'd probably be upset. And talking about looking up people in databases scares me even!
I think he was a TT, went back to 98, sent those mean faxes making fun of us because we fell for the y2k hype. It was a 1 shot deal, he can't return. I think after hanging out and listening to music with his dad he had a change of heart for this worldline. He "grew up" and stopped hating everyone from this time, and decided to warn us about Yellowstone errupting this year.
Razimus
Temporal Navigator
Re: John Titor\'s Grandfather
MEM, nice work, but there many that could fit the role of Titor's grandfather.
If Titor went to 2000 to visit his family to warn them don't you think it's a bit selfish of his family to cash in on the story as opposed to warning other people? The copyright is owned by the author of the words, the author of the words wrote the book yada yada yada.
--- Razimus
MEM, nice work, but there many that could fit the role of Titor's grandfather.
If Titor went to 2000 to visit his family to warn them don't you think it's a bit selfish of his family to cash in on the story as opposed to warning other people? The copyright is owned by the author of the words, the author of the words wrote the book yada yada yada.
--- Razimus
Re: John Titor\'s Grandfather
Razimus wrote:
"MEM, nice work, but there many that could fit the role of Titor's grandfather."
I would be interested in hearing about your research into others who could fit the role of Titor's grandfather.
"If Titor went to 2000 to visit his family to warn them don't you think it's a bit selfish of his family to cash in on the story as opposed to warning other people? The copyright is owned by the author of the words, the author of the words wrote the book yada yada yada."
Not necessarily. Someone other than the one who wrote the words can own the copyright. Doesn't MJ own the copyright to some Beatle songs?
What's to prevent the JT foundation from copyrighting the material when they did not write the material? Who is going to refute their copyright, if JT was indeed a tt.
Of course his family always could but why would they? They would identify themselves, and for waht? It's not like the story is generating gobs of money. Second, how do they prove it? Therefore there is no way to challenge the JT foundation's copyright, if he was indeed a tt.
There are many different possibilities here. Only one person knows the full story and for the moment he's not talking......
I do find the mystery interesting.
Razimus wrote:
"MEM, nice work, but there many that could fit the role of Titor's grandfather."
I would be interested in hearing about your research into others who could fit the role of Titor's grandfather.
"If Titor went to 2000 to visit his family to warn them don't you think it's a bit selfish of his family to cash in on the story as opposed to warning other people? The copyright is owned by the author of the words, the author of the words wrote the book yada yada yada."
Not necessarily. Someone other than the one who wrote the words can own the copyright. Doesn't MJ own the copyright to some Beatle songs?
What's to prevent the JT foundation from copyrighting the material when they did not write the material? Who is going to refute their copyright, if JT was indeed a tt.
Of course his family always could but why would they? They would identify themselves, and for waht? It's not like the story is generating gobs of money. Second, how do they prove it? Therefore there is no way to challenge the JT foundation's copyright, if he was indeed a tt.
There are many different possibilities here. Only one person knows the full story and for the moment he's not talking......
I do find the mystery interesting.
Re: John Titor\'s Grandfather
"Would finding someone that matches this information prove John Titor was legitimate?"
No. At least not from my perspective. It would make the story more interesting.
Having his predictions come true would make his story more believable. The more that come true the more believable his story. Not that I'm hoping the USA has a civil war in 2005 and wwiii in 2015.
If his predictions don't come true then what difference does it make if he was a real tt?
"Would finding someone that matches this information prove John Titor was legitimate?"
No. At least not from my perspective. It would make the story more interesting.
Having his predictions come true would make his story more believable. The more that come true the more believable his story. Not that I'm hoping the USA has a civil war in 2005 and wwiii in 2015.
If his predictions don't come true then what difference does it make if he was a real tt?
Cryomaniac
Chrono Cadet
Re: John Titor\'s Grandfather
Thats true I suppose. I cant say I hope there is a civil war and WW3, but I would like the whole Titor thing to be true, just to show all the people who dismiss timetravel out of hand.
It doesnt make any difference really, because it cant be proved either way.
Thats true I suppose. I cant say I hope there is a civil war and WW3, but I would like the whole Titor thing to be true, just to show all the people who dismiss timetravel out of hand.
It doesnt make any difference really, because it cant be proved either way.