In your mind Darby you have it right, again I did not start the topic of 9-11. I only responded to the Spin Master when he tried to talk down to Tikmovado. I will say this again, if you want more info about Mr.Pegelow, go look it up. There are at least 60 to 70 scientist and engineers that have come aboard to the 9-11 truth movement. Professor Steven Jones is another who just recently lost his job over his findings. You can see what he says here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=964034652002408586 .
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RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: You Don\'t Know When To Quit, Do You?
1) Professor Steven Jones' 20 years of experience - NONE of it is in structural engineering. You are aware of that, right? In fact, the majority of his "experience" is in teaching and researching nuclear energy, solar energy, and "cold fusion" (which is not a highly accepted theory in science to begin with). So you cannot just say he has 20 years of experience without pointing out that he has NO experience in structural engineering. But let's move on to...
2) Peer-reviewed research in the field of physics - The paper that Jones wrote on "controlled demolition" of the WTC towers WAS peer-reviewed, but it was NOT peer-reviewed by ANY journal of structural or civil engineering. THAT, my friend, is SPIN! But we are not done yet, because one must ask "OK, so if his paper WAS peer-reviewed, where and by whom was it peer-reviewed?". The answer is pretty shocking: The first time he has this paper published it was in a volume entitled "9/11 And The American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out". This is not even a professional journal, and one must point out that the editor of this volume is one David Ray Griffin who is a known 9-11 Conspiracy Theory propagandist. In any event, the peer reviewers for this volume did not include any structural engineers that I could identify. The latest journal to publish his paper is the "Journal of 9/11 Studies" edited by Kevin Ryan. It is noteworthy here to point out that NONE of Kevin Ryan's "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" are credentialed in structural engineering. So once again we see that while Jones' paper was "peer reviewed" by people associated with this journal, none of them have the relevant qualifications in structural engineering to perform a proper critique of his science application in this important area.
3) I would find some way to call his findings phoney - Actually, I do not have to say anything about professor Jones' findings, because the statements of HIS OWN COLLEAGUES at Brigham Young University are quite telling indeed! And here you have finally gotten to a point where I can give you those quotes I promised from credentialed structural engineers who disagree with Jones' theory. Are you ready?
Did you get that title? PROFESSOR EMERITUS... In case you are not familiar, this is the highest level a professor can reach after MANY years of research and teaching. And you will also note that he is the civil engineering Professor Emeritus from Steven Jones' own university, BYU. But we are not done yet (and remember, these are ONLY responses from BYU, I have not even begun to list the opinions of other structural engineering professionals outside BYU). Read this one:
So maybe I should use your same tactics: Peepo is nothing but spin, spin, spin! Spinmaster Peepo! ALl you do is spin, spin, SPIN! SPIN! SPIN! Spinster Peepo! (Gee, isn't this so terribly mature!)
OK, I think this is enough evidence to seriously call into question what YOU BELIEVE about WTC7's damage. I suppose I will now sit back and wait for your next reply that says nothing more than "SPIN SPIN SPIN". It is apparant to all reading this thread by now that you have NO other tactic to address the problems with your outrageous conspiracy theory.
RMT
This line is getting quite tired. Do you think that by using it over and over again that people will forget or ignore that you have not addressed one, single technical issue I have raised about your controlled demolition theory? Is that how you think this works? So if you keep calling me a spinmaster a million times over that will nullify the fact that you do not wish to discuss the technical details of column buckling. Interesting approach, that is.
In reality there was only a single reply of mine that just pointed out two things about Mr. Pegelow. Since that one reply the majority of my replies have been about SCIENCE NOT PEOPLE. You, however, wish to make this about me and not about the science.
Oh good, I was wondering when you were going to bring his name up. I was almost going to bring it up for you, but I am glad you have finally played this card. Now for all your accusations of ME spinning something, it will be interesting to dissect your very words above just to see how much YOU are spinning professor Jones' work! Let's dissect your words above one piece at a time:
1) Professor Steven Jones' 20 years of experience - NONE of it is in structural engineering. You are aware of that, right? In fact, the majority of his "experience" is in teaching and researching nuclear energy, solar energy, and "cold fusion" (which is not a highly accepted theory in science to begin with). So you cannot just say he has 20 years of experience without pointing out that he has NO experience in structural engineering. But let's move on to...
2) Peer-reviewed research in the field of physics - The paper that Jones wrote on "controlled demolition" of the WTC towers WAS peer-reviewed, but it was NOT peer-reviewed by ANY journal of structural or civil engineering. THAT, my friend, is SPIN! But we are not done yet, because one must ask "OK, so if his paper WAS peer-reviewed, where and by whom was it peer-reviewed?". The answer is pretty shocking: The first time he has this paper published it was in a volume entitled "9/11 And The American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out". This is not even a professional journal, and one must point out that the editor of this volume is one David Ray Griffin who is a known 9-11 Conspiracy Theory propagandist. In any event, the peer reviewers for this volume did not include any structural engineers that I could identify. The latest journal to publish his paper is the "Journal of 9/11 Studies" edited by Kevin Ryan. It is noteworthy here to point out that NONE of Kevin Ryan's "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" are credentialed in structural engineering. So once again we see that while Jones' paper was "peer reviewed" by people associated with this journal, none of them have the relevant qualifications in structural engineering to perform a proper critique of his science application in this important area.
3) I would find some way to call his findings phoney - Actually, I do not have to say anything about professor Jones' findings, because the statements of HIS OWN COLLEAGUES at Brigham Young University are quite telling indeed! And here you have finally gotten to a point where I can give you those quotes I promised from credentialed structural engineers who disagree with Jones' theory. Are you ready?
Did you get that title? PROFESSOR EMERITUS... In case you are not familiar, this is the highest level a professor can reach after MANY years of research and teaching. And you will also note that he is the civil engineering Professor Emeritus from Steven Jones' own university, BYU. But we are not done yet (and remember, these are ONLY responses from BYU, I have not even begun to list the opinions of other structural engineering professionals outside BYU). Read this one:
and yet another from the BYU engineering department:
Now if you are going to call this "spin" then you are going to have to direct your "spinmaster" tired catch-phrase at the individuals and institutions who are denying the validity of professor Jones's work and his theory. Get this through your head: These quotes are NOT MINE... hence, they ARE NOT MY SPIN!
The opinions of structural engineering professionals with regard to Steven Jones' theory are HARDLY "rubbish and puke"... and once again I must point out this has NOTHING to do with me or any attempt to "spin" it. The VAST MAJORITY of professional structural engineers do not agree with Jones' theory AND for his claim of "peer review" there is NO EVIDENCE that his paper has ever been peer-reviewed by a qualified structural engineer. These are simple facts that you can "research for yourseld" to use a term you enjoy throwing at others.
Ahhhh, how sweet! Here we see YOUR OWN SPIN MASTER TECHNIQUES AT WORK! Not only are you NOT answering any of the technical questions I put to you, but you are choosing to answer questions that are DIFFERENT than the ones I am asking you! This is a perfect example. I did NOT ask you specifically if a jet hit WTC... what I asked is as follows:
Clearly my question is different than the point you are making about a jet...who is spinning now, Mr. Peepo? Will you now answer my question? And oh, BTW, my question was prompted by YOUR ASSERTION which reads as follows:
You are asserting that WTC7 was not hit by anything. But all you want to do now is talk about not being hit by a jet. Your assertion is simply WRONG, and it is quite obvious that this is YOUR attempt at spin!
So maybe I should use your same tactics: Peepo is nothing but spin, spin, spin! Spinmaster Peepo! ALl you do is spin, spin, SPIN! SPIN! SPIN! Spinster Peepo! (Gee, isn't this so terribly mature!)
Talk about your rubbish! Could you please explain to me how video footage can possibly show that it "was not enough to bring the building straight down on itself"? ONLY scientific analysis could confirm or deny this! And your SPIN SPIN SPIN relating to "2 small fires" is also not in concordance with EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS! To make you look even more foolish (and show YOUR tendency to use SPIN to make your point) let me now share with you quotes from firemen who were eyewitnesses to the damage to WTC7 and its fires:
Gee, it doesn't sound like this genteleman, a professional fire fighter, would agree with you that there were "only 2 small fires".
Again, the good lieutenant doesn't seem to think it was "2 small fires". How do you reconcile these statements from EYEWITNESSES with your SPIN, eh SpinDoc? But wait, there are more eyewitness accounts of the damage to WTC7:
OK, I think this is enough evidence to seriously call into question what YOU BELIEVE about WTC7's damage. I suppose I will now sit back and wait for your next reply that says nothing more than "SPIN SPIN SPIN". It is apparant to all reading this thread by now that you have NO other tactic to address the problems with your outrageous conspiracy theory.
RMT
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
SPIN ALERT! SPIN ALERT!!
Spinmaster Peepo:
How ridiculously FUNNY it is for ME to end up pointing out YOUR SPIN, Peepo! :D :D For all the flamethrowing you have done at me about "spin", this last statement of yours is clearly 100% SPIN by you (or the people you believe).
SPIN! SPIN! SPIN! SPIN! SPIN! Who's the SPINMASTER DADDY now Peepo? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Like I told you many replies back: If you keep going with this Peepo, you will continue to look more and more foolish.
RMT
Spinmaster Peepo:
See my post above, and start answering my questions. Otherwise what you are doing is nothing more than your own spin, and you continue to ignore any form of scientific discussions.
Does anyone think this statement is NOT spin? I'd like to hear from you if so! Do you want to know the REAL truth? Here it is straight from the Utah Desert Morning News:
Now this, THE TRUTH, does not quite jive with YOUR SPIN that he "he just lost his job", now does it?
How ridiculously FUNNY it is for ME to end up pointing out YOUR SPIN, Peepo! :D :D For all the flamethrowing you have done at me about "spin", this last statement of yours is clearly 100% SPIN by you (or the people you believe).
SPIN! SPIN! SPIN! SPIN! SPIN! Who's the SPINMASTER DADDY now Peepo? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Like I told you many replies back: If you keep going with this Peepo, you will continue to look more and more foolish.
RMT
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
MORE SPIN CYCLE!
I believe I know what list you are going to trot out now... perhaps I should cut to the chase and provide some FACTS about this list of academics (NOT ALL OF WHICH ARE SCIENTISTS OR ENGINEERS)?
Or maybe I will be just a tad bit kind to you, and ask you if you REALLY want to go down this path, Peepo? I can guarantee that I can demolish your spin-cycle statement above and demonstrate how there is NOT ONE credentialed structural engineer on the "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" movement.
You just let me know... if you want to pursue this, I would be happy to make you look like an even bigger fool.
RMT
More spin, and more falsehoods!
I believe I know what list you are going to trot out now... perhaps I should cut to the chase and provide some FACTS about this list of academics (NOT ALL OF WHICH ARE SCIENTISTS OR ENGINEERS)?
Or maybe I will be just a tad bit kind to you, and ask you if you REALLY want to go down this path, Peepo? I can guarantee that I can demolish your spin-cycle statement above and demonstrate how there is NOT ONE credentialed structural engineer on the "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" movement.
You just let me know... if you want to pursue this, I would be happy to make you look like an even bigger fool.
RMT
Re: MORE SPIN CYCLE!
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Oh I'm sorry I was going to respond sooner but I fell asleep trying to read all of that none sense posted by the Spin Master. In all of that poop that he posted about Steven Jones he failed to mention that Mr Jones got 2 molten steel samples from the site and found Thermate. As you all can see again Mr Spin Master does nothing but spin spin and spin.
Now we shall all site back and watch the spin master spin what Mr Jones found in the samples he got from the site. And again proving what I have said all along about Mr spinster. One of the links I have posted is a video link to Mr Jones explaining his findings. And again we will see the work of the spin master spinning anything anyone post any place on the net. Oh and thanks for all the private messages in support of Operation Expose Rainman. Yes it's been a hard fight but we shall win the fight!! We shall stay the course!!! Oh yea I bet the Spinster thinks that weapons of mass destruction was in Iraq and we should have our troops over their. What you say Oh great Spinster? And as for answering your dribble, I have or did it go over your head.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Oh I'm sorry I was going to respond sooner but I fell asleep trying to read all of that none sense posted by the Spin Master. In all of that poop that he posted about Steven Jones he failed to mention that Mr Jones got 2 molten steel samples from the site and found Thermate. As you all can see again Mr Spin Master does nothing but spin spin and spin.
Now we shall all site back and watch the spin master spin what Mr Jones found in the samples he got from the site. And again proving what I have said all along about Mr spinster. One of the links I have posted is a video link to Mr Jones explaining his findings. And again we will see the work of the spin master spinning anything anyone post any place on the net. Oh and thanks for all the private messages in support of Operation Expose Rainman. Yes it's been a hard fight but we shall win the fight!! We shall stay the course!!! Oh yea I bet the Spinster thinks that weapons of mass destruction was in Iraq and we should have our troops over their. What you say Oh great Spinster? And as for answering your dribble, I have or did it go over your head.
Re: MORE SPIN CYCLE!
Oh one more thing someone told me that your next move would be to take a poll, boy they sure do know how you are. Looks like you have made many enemies here my little ru ru. But your little boyish tactics will not work this time. You've been called out. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
And also in all of that poop up there that Mr spin master posted he also did not mention the fact that the official story by the Military Industrial Complex I mean government, has changed 5 times now.
And in a 2000 paper titled "Rebuilding America's Defenses," Project for a New American Century, whose founding members were Dick Chaney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz, argued for vast increases in military spending to assure American global dominance. Such a process, PNAC said, would take time absent "a catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor." Military deployment into Central Asia followed 9/11, as well as their desired increases in military spending. Now lets all site back and watch the spin!!!
Oh one more thing someone told me that your next move would be to take a poll, boy they sure do know how you are. Looks like you have made many enemies here my little ru ru. But your little boyish tactics will not work this time. You've been called out. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
And also in all of that poop up there that Mr spin master posted he also did not mention the fact that the official story by the Military Industrial Complex I mean government, has changed 5 times now.
And in a 2000 paper titled "Rebuilding America's Defenses," Project for a New American Century, whose founding members were Dick Chaney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz, argued for vast increases in military spending to assure American global dominance. Such a process, PNAC said, would take time absent "a catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor." Military deployment into Central Asia followed 9/11, as well as their desired increases in military spending. Now lets all site back and watch the spin!!!
Re: MORE SPIN CYCLE!
It's a Fruit Loop Universe. First came the Fruit Loop bird, and then you ate of the Fruit Loop and then created the Universe(s) and put yourself here at this time.
The structural beams someone said a while back on a website were not actually the ones the engineer called for, but I think were somehow different. I am sure the Building was not designed to have a Jet land on it, in it, or through it. There are people in the Building and Furniture in the Building, and many other structural things that changed since it was in use. That does not mean that everyone has the time to babysit in this Universe.
And dis-jointed analysis without having all the info is what it is -- a dis-jointed attempt to not include all the facts that make a determination on what happened with the World Trade Tower Buildings.
I just do not like Microsoft, since now Nero Showtime does not work anymore, when it worked before -- Microsoft updates.
Blah!
It's a Fruit Loop Universe. First came the Fruit Loop bird, and then you ate of the Fruit Loop and then created the Universe(s) and put yourself here at this time.
The structural beams someone said a while back on a website were not actually the ones the engineer called for, but I think were somehow different. I am sure the Building was not designed to have a Jet land on it, in it, or through it. There are people in the Building and Furniture in the Building, and many other structural things that changed since it was in use. That does not mean that everyone has the time to babysit in this Universe.
And dis-jointed analysis without having all the info is what it is -- a dis-jointed attempt to not include all the facts that make a determination on what happened with the World Trade Tower Buildings.
I just do not like Microsoft, since now Nero Showtime does not work anymore, when it worked before -- Microsoft updates.
Blah!
Re: MORE SPIN CYCLE!
Thanks for what you are doing. He also fails to mention how fast they shipped all the metal out of the country from the crime scene and none of the so called engineers got to look at the metal. And how the "official Report" doesn't even mention building 7. This guy jumped all over me for asking questions about Qronos 16. I don't know what his problem is, and I don't see how any women would put up with him. Thanks Peepo!!
Thanks for what you are doing. He also fails to mention how fast they shipped all the metal out of the country from the crime scene and none of the so called engineers got to look at the metal. And how the "official Report" doesn't even mention building 7. This guy jumped all over me for asking questions about Qronos 16. I don't know what his problem is, and I don't see how any women would put up with him. Thanks Peepo!!
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: MORE SPIN CYCLE!
So far, you have answered NONE of my specific questions, and instead try to keep changing the subject (as you are doing now). But now you have stated a complete fallacy, and I would like for you to please provide EVIDENCE of Steven Jones saying he tested any samples and actually FOUND thermite. Go ahead... why not start in The following article and tell me where you see Steven Jones actually claiming what you have said he claimed.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,635198488,00.html
Or any other reliable source would do. I expect, like the long trail of unanswered questions and inability for you to support your theory or discuss science, you will not answer this crucial question nor supplying evidence to support your claim... and yet this claim of yours involves you supplying clearly inaccurate information!
Let's start with one amazing (and fun) fact! FACT: There are approximately 139,000 members of the American Society of Civil Engineering (ASCE), and NOT ONE OF THEM is a member of Steven Jones' "scholars for 9/11 truth" nor does even one ASCE member support Steven Jones's conclusion! Now THAT is certainly a fun fact! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
But how about the flipside??? IOW, has there ever been a paper written on the WTC collapse by members of ASCE, and also peer-reviewed by other members of ASCE? ANSWER: Why YES THERE HAS! Look right here:
http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf
So the direct question to you Mr. Peepo (which I know you will not answer) is this:
Who do you think is more authoritative on this matter? A group of certified Civil Engineers or a physics professor with no experience in structural engineering? Care to answer at least that one question?
RMT
You are just handing me bogus information to make you look even more foolish, aren't you? First of all, it is spelled "thermite", but more important than your misspelling is your lying... or, if I wanted to be nice, I would gently suggest that you have bought into SPIN that ALEX Jones stated, NOT Steven Jones! I know with a challenged mind like yours it might be difficult to keep the two Joneses straight, and what they are saying.
So far, you have answered NONE of my specific questions, and instead try to keep changing the subject (as you are doing now). But now you have stated a complete fallacy, and I would like for you to please provide EVIDENCE of Steven Jones saying he tested any samples and actually FOUND thermite. Go ahead... why not start in The following article and tell me where you see Steven Jones actually claiming what you have said he claimed.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,635198488,00.html
Or any other reliable source would do. I expect, like the long trail of unanswered questions and inability for you to support your theory or discuss science, you will not answer this crucial question nor supplying evidence to support your claim... and yet this claim of yours involves you supplying clearly inaccurate information!
I won't be able to spin anything until you can show me evidence that this actually occurred.
That was a 2.5 hour video, and I don't feel I should have to listen to all of his babbling hoping to find out what you are referring to. Why not point me to exactly what he said that you are using as "evidence"...or are you afraid to do that?
So far it looks really dismal for you and your theory, pal.
Another strawman.
No, you really haven't. Rather than take a poll, would you like to me collect all the points I have made that you have ignored? And you didn't even answer my question if I should be easy on you and not call into question your statement about "60-70 scientists and engineers" in the form of the "Scholars for 9/11 Truth". I'd be happy to make some irrefutable points about that!
Let's start with one amazing (and fun) fact! FACT: There are approximately 139,000 members of the American Society of Civil Engineering (ASCE), and NOT ONE OF THEM is a member of Steven Jones' "scholars for 9/11 truth" nor does even one ASCE member support Steven Jones's conclusion! Now THAT is certainly a fun fact! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
But how about the flipside??? IOW, has there ever been a paper written on the WTC collapse by members of ASCE, and also peer-reviewed by other members of ASCE? ANSWER: Why YES THERE HAS! Look right here:
http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf
So the direct question to you Mr. Peepo (which I know you will not answer) is this:
Who do you think is more authoritative on this matter? A group of certified Civil Engineers or a physics professor with no experience in structural engineering? Care to answer at least that one question?
RMT
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: MORE SPIN CYCLE!
Since you didn't want to talk about the science of column buckling, perhaps you might be more willing to talk about conservation of momentum? There is a very simple calculation for momentum you could do to know how much energy each of those 767s imparted to the buildings when they hit them at 500 mph. Do you know what that simple equation is, Peepo?
My, your homework sure is stacking up! You have lots of work to do my friend... But alas, you will just say I am spinning facts and then change the subject to some other topic that you cannot provide supporting evidence for! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/mad.gif
RMT
That's not the only key word you need to consider, Peeps old man. Another key word would be "velocity". OK, your homework for tonight is to post me the EXACT words of the person you are referring to who made this vague statement. I would like to see where he specifically stated that those buildings could withstand two 767-size airplanes hitting them at 500 mph.
Since you didn't want to talk about the science of column buckling, perhaps you might be more willing to talk about conservation of momentum? There is a very simple calculation for momentum you could do to know how much energy each of those 767s imparted to the buildings when they hit them at 500 mph. Do you know what that simple equation is, Peepo?
My, your homework sure is stacking up! You have lots of work to do my friend... But alas, you will just say I am spinning facts and then change the subject to some other topic that you cannot provide supporting evidence for! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/mad.gif
RMT
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: MORE SPIN CYCLE!
keke,
RMT
keke,
That claim would pose problems for the claim that Peepo has made that Steven Jones actually got two samples and found thermite! You conspiracy folks can't have it both ways...which is it?
That's because you haven't seen the size of my "personality". :D
RMT
Re: MORE SPIN CYCLE!
In Reply to:
You are just handing me bogus information to make you look even more foolish, aren't you? First of all, it is spelled "thermite", but more important than your misspelling is your lying... or, if I wanted to be nice, I would gently suggest that you have bought into SPIN that ALEX Jones stated, NOT Steven Jones! I know with a challenged mind like yours it might be difficult to keep the two Joneses straight, and what they are saying.
More spin!!!
Now as usual the spin master has to try to show us all he knows everything. But I have been trying to show you all just what he's all about. Lets take a look at the word he said I misspelled : Thermate lets see what that word really means and how to spell it.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Thermate, or Thermate-TH3, is an incendiary compound primarily used for military applications. Because of the similarity in names, thermate is sometimes confused with one of its components, thermite.
Thermate is a mixture of thermite and pyrotechnic additives which have been found to be superior to standard thermite for incendiary purposes. Its composition by weight is generally thermite 68.7%, barium nitrate 29.0%, sulphur 2.0% and binder 0.3%. Addition of barium nitrate to thermite increases its thermal effect, creates flame in burning and significantly reduces the ignition temperature.
Thermate is used in incendiary hand grenades.
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermate"
As you can see the Spin Master has spun again. Nice try Ru Ru!! Now for someone who thinks he knows it all, how come you did'nt know something as simple as this? Now who has the challenged mind? One must wonder if he knows anything at all.
In Reply to:
You are just handing me bogus information to make you look even more foolish, aren't you? First of all, it is spelled "thermite", but more important than your misspelling is your lying... or, if I wanted to be nice, I would gently suggest that you have bought into SPIN that ALEX Jones stated, NOT Steven Jones! I know with a challenged mind like yours it might be difficult to keep the two Joneses straight, and what they are saying.
More spin!!!
Now as usual the spin master has to try to show us all he knows everything. But I have been trying to show you all just what he's all about. Lets take a look at the word he said I misspelled : Thermate lets see what that word really means and how to spell it.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Thermate, or Thermate-TH3, is an incendiary compound primarily used for military applications. Because of the similarity in names, thermate is sometimes confused with one of its components, thermite.
Thermate is a mixture of thermite and pyrotechnic additives which have been found to be superior to standard thermite for incendiary purposes. Its composition by weight is generally thermite 68.7%, barium nitrate 29.0%, sulphur 2.0% and binder 0.3%. Addition of barium nitrate to thermite increases its thermal effect, creates flame in burning and significantly reduces the ignition temperature.
Thermate is used in incendiary hand grenades.
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermate"
As you can see the Spin Master has spun again. Nice try Ru Ru!! Now for someone who thinks he knows it all, how come you did'nt know something as simple as this? Now who has the challenged mind? One must wonder if he knows anything at all.
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Gotcha
You see, given that you have ignored (and not responded) to EVERY SINGLE relevant technical point I have made so far, I had to lure you into actually addressing something I said by giving you a "carrot". So now you have been able to "prove me wrong". Wonderful. Applause all around the room? And oh, BTW, I will readily admit that I was wrong about thermite and its relationship to thermate.
But now that you had addressed my issue, you must address it fully. By that I mean I want you to produce evidence to back your claim that Steven Jones tested WTC samples and found thermate (or even if he found thermite, I'd accept that too!). You have addressed the issue of me being wrong about the thermite (the simple, pedestrian issue) because you were looking for ANY chance to prove me wrong. Now let's see you handle the bigger issue of proving me wrong that Steven Jones actually tested WTC samples and found thermate/thermite.
If you don't answer this will reveal your SPIN even more, and add another unanswered/unsupported claim to the list of items in this thread related to your 9-11 conspiracy theory.
Prediction by RMT: This will also fall by the wayside and Peepo will be eerily silent and not be able to provide proof for his claim.
RMT
You know, I honestly didn't think you would take the bait, but you went for it hook, line, and sinker!
You see, given that you have ignored (and not responded) to EVERY SINGLE relevant technical point I have made so far, I had to lure you into actually addressing something I said by giving you a "carrot". So now you have been able to "prove me wrong". Wonderful. Applause all around the room? And oh, BTW, I will readily admit that I was wrong about thermite and its relationship to thermate.
But now that you had addressed my issue, you must address it fully. By that I mean I want you to produce evidence to back your claim that Steven Jones tested WTC samples and found thermate (or even if he found thermite, I'd accept that too!). You have addressed the issue of me being wrong about the thermite (the simple, pedestrian issue) because you were looking for ANY chance to prove me wrong. Now let's see you handle the bigger issue of proving me wrong that Steven Jones actually tested WTC samples and found thermate/thermite.
If you don't answer this will reveal your SPIN even more, and add another unanswered/unsupported claim to the list of items in this thread related to your 9-11 conspiracy theory.
I know a lot of things that you apparantly have ignored and avoided discussing...technical things. Now that you have decided to address thermate/thermite let's see how much you know about the "testing" Steven Jones actually did. I know exactly what he did, and it is NOT what you have SPUN it into! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif You whipped out that Wikipedia reference on thermate in short order. Let's see you find evidence where Steven Jones claims he tested WTC samples!
Prediction by RMT: This will also fall by the wayside and Peepo will be eerily silent and not be able to provide proof for his claim.
RMT
Re: Gotcha
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You know, I honestly didn't think you would take the bait, but you went for it hook, line, and sinker!
You see, given that you have ignored (and not responded) to EVERY SINGLE relevant technical point I have made so far, I had to lure you into actually addressing something I said by giving you a "carrot". So now you have been able to "prove me wrong". Wonderful. Applause all around the room? And oh, BTW, I will readily admit that I was wrong about thermite and its relationship to thermate.
Ok lets see if I can get this right oh great spinster. You say this is some kind of bait that you put fourth so you could " get me into actually addressing something " I must say this is to most pathetic spin you have done to date!!! I think everyone here can see that. First you say: "I honestly didn't think you would take the bait, but you went for it hook, line, and sinker!" and then you totaly contradict yourself by saying: "I will readily admit that I was wrong about thermite and its relationship to Thermate". Need I say more? As stated when all of this began, im not here to explain anything about 9-11. Im here to proove how incompetent you are and how you spin things. I must say oh spinster you have proven my point quit well. And with this pathetic attempt to redeem yourself you've proven my point even further. How sad you are. And we are to believe you are smart?
In reply to:
You know, I honestly didn't think you would take the bait, but you went for it hook, line, and sinker!
You see, given that you have ignored (and not responded) to EVERY SINGLE relevant technical point I have made so far, I had to lure you into actually addressing something I said by giving you a "carrot". So now you have been able to "prove me wrong". Wonderful. Applause all around the room? And oh, BTW, I will readily admit that I was wrong about thermite and its relationship to thermate.
Ok lets see if I can get this right oh great spinster. You say this is some kind of bait that you put fourth so you could " get me into actually addressing something " I must say this is to most pathetic spin you have done to date!!! I think everyone here can see that. First you say: "I honestly didn't think you would take the bait, but you went for it hook, line, and sinker!" and then you totaly contradict yourself by saying: "I will readily admit that I was wrong about thermite and its relationship to Thermate". Need I say more? As stated when all of this began, im not here to explain anything about 9-11. Im here to proove how incompetent you are and how you spin things. I must say oh spinster you have proven my point quit well. And with this pathetic attempt to redeem yourself you've proven my point even further. How sad you are. And we are to believe you are smart?
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: Gotcha
Great, so that wraps this up. Let's summarize:
You have no real evidence that explosives brought down the WTC towers, and thus cannot prove that it was "an inside job." Your inability to support your claims in this thread makes it clear.
And I could care less about what you were trying to show about me. It has been clearly established your conspiracy theory is junk science, and that YOU, my friend, are the subject of some of the most evil spin there is in the world today!
Thanks for your cooperation in this little debunking effort.
RMT
That is exceedingly obvious.
Great, so that wraps this up. Let's summarize:
You have no real evidence that explosives brought down the WTC towers, and thus cannot prove that it was "an inside job." Your inability to support your claims in this thread makes it clear.
And I could care less about what you were trying to show about me. It has been clearly established your conspiracy theory is junk science, and that YOU, my friend, are the subject of some of the most evil spin there is in the world today!
Thanks for your cooperation in this little debunking effort.
RMT
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: Gotcha
Even more ironic:
Need I say more?
Who is the incompetent one? :D And just what are you trying to prove?
Have a nice life!
RMT
Even more ironic:
Need I say more?
Have a nice life!
RMT
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: Gotcha
Even more ironic:
Who is the incompetent one? 
And just what are you trying to prove?
Have a nice life!
RMT
Even more ironic:
Need I say more?
Who is the incompetent one? And just what are you trying to prove?Have a nice life!
RMT
Re: Gotcha
In Reply to:
And I could care less about what you were trying to show about me. It has been clearly established your conspiracy theory is junk science, and that YOU, my friend, are the subject of some of the most evil spin there is in the world today!
Spinster spinster slow down little guy!!! No one ever said that I did not have proof, but you. As usual you are spinning things yet again. I have proved some things here but when myself or anyone tries to explain anything you'll just say it's wrong or you know better. So you see spin master when you can't except anyones opinion or proof of anything you will just say its junk science. I hate to tell you this little spinster but this makes you look even more foolish. Try to control yourself.
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And I could care less about what you were trying to show about me. It has been clearly established your conspiracy theory is junk science, and that YOU, my friend, are the subject of some of the most evil spin there is in the world today!
Spinster spinster slow down little guy!!! No one ever said that I did not have proof, but you. As usual you are spinning things yet again. I have proved some things here but when myself or anyone tries to explain anything you'll just say it's wrong or you know better. So you see spin master when you can't except anyones opinion or proof of anything you will just say its junk science. I hate to tell you this little spinster but this makes you look even more foolish. Try to control yourself.