John Titor, I know you are still here

The replies I received were as expected. Besides Global and Jim, notice how people who don't really post here suddenly have something to say. They picked apart what I said (which I remind you is very vague) and commented in true debunking style.

That is why I was hesitant to say too much when I arrived. We know debunkers watch this forum and every forum in the world and the moment something get mentioned about what I term for this forum "the Great Catastrophy" it gets responses straight away from people who never come on here for the most part.

I am not afraid of critisism at all. As stated a few times now, whether you accept what I say or reject it is your choice and has no meaning to me one way or another.

As for my earthquake statement, you can work out where the earthquake is going to be by looking at trend data for the last month from the Atlantic Rift and various parts of the Pacific Ring of Fire. There is a pattern if you examine the data and work toward a date in between December and January.

As to your comment of backward-engineering alien technology, I can assure you no Government on this planet has alien technology in their keeping. The three ships that crashed back in the 1947 in Roswell where set on self-destruct after they crashed to prevent any salvage efforts. This crash was a deliberate attempt to make peaceful contact with the US Governemnt. Only some metal of the ships outer shells remained and are currently hidden in a vault that exists deep under the Pentagon Building.

Jim, I don't think this time is full of backward barbarians at all. Gotta Run.

Charlie====you lie!!!

what Charlie that you know the truth and don't tell me that you don't know there is a Secret Goverment becasue George Bush Jr have said there is a Secret Goverment and member of Skull and bones!!!!!!!!!!! you are full of lie!! Crap and foolish but forgive me... :eek:
 
I find it humourous that your defence is that people shouldn't debunk you on the basis of your vague comments.

Nevertheless if I indulge myself in your story will you answer a few questions on the actual mechanics of the time line? Afterall over 10 years of research must have some interesting results. Don't worry, I 'm not looking for any actual figures - just a basic understanding of how your world views the structure of time.

So time extends into the future, only to the point of when you left, or does does it continue as if you were still there? What I mean is that to truly exist in the true present, you cannot simply return to your point of departure? Or am I understanding it wrong?

If a significant change were to be made through your voyage here, would the this then become the present, or would the next 40years of history be automatically written? If the latter is true, and history was changed, would your compatriates have time(relativally speaking) to send someone else back to put thinngs 'right'?

Does a time traveller suffer any negative effects from existing in a time that is not his or her(don't want to branded as sexist as well as a overt debunker /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif) own?

Yeah, so they are my questions.
I hope that you sincerely enjoy answering them. I may be skeptical but I am interested in your hypothesis of the time line.

James
 
Charlie, as you said (and as you can see), you don’t have to worry about people believing you. So, tell us more about what’s coming. Is NASA/JPL covering up the existence of an asteroid or comet that’s headed for Earth? Is that the cause of the Great Catastrophe? What else can you tell us of the future?
 
Wazzup people.

I was born in the Flinders Ranges west of Sydney on what was the remains of the continent of Australia, on June 18, 2006. Being born post the Great Catastrophy
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HA! Now we have something to work with. Seems like you are more talkative then Mr. Titor. So, we have a great catastrofe about to happen, and it´s related to a earthquake. Hmmm... Let me guess... Is there something else related with the Yellowstone park?

We have a lot of "non-cientific" and "alternative" sources that claims something big is going to happen soon, I´m sure all you guys know about it. Stuff about "NESSARA" (plain bullshit to me), Planet X, the Solar X whatever-Flares and so on. Can you say something about it?

Other stuff: Is everyone a historian in 2036-9?? You are a historian. Titor is a historian. Seems like it´s pretty hype to do research in history with a time machine. I´m taking my bacharelor in history this year. Seems like I´ve made the right choice. LOL
 
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Hi Charlie,
If your story is true,How can you be sure your on the same timeline as John?,and are you sure the John Titor your trying to make contact with is the same John Titor from your timeline and not another John Titor from another timeline?.
Also if you are from the future,as a fellow human being do you not have a moral responsibility regardless of the implications to at least attempt to prevent or warn of such disasters as the recent suicide bomb attacks in Turkey which took place incidentally during your visit here?.
If John Titor really did stay behind to try and help us in some way,although I doubt he did,I would say its a good thing and suggest he has more balls than yourself.
Or perhaps charlie if you do not want to take the responsibility of changing your future by preventing forth coming disasters perhaps u could email me with the details and I will gladly take responsibillity for my actions.

Cheers Dylan.
 
"Also if you are from the future,as a fellow human being do you not have a moral responsibility regardless of the implications to at least attempt to prevent or warn of such disasters as the recent suicide bomb attacks in Turkey which took place incidentally during your visit here?"

I'm sorry. I can't agree with this comment. If a Time Machine were to built, I believe it should only be used in exactly the way that Charlie has described - purely as an observational tool.

Mankind should be allowed to make their own mistakes. I for one would not like the idea of being babysitted by a future society who want history to occur exactly as they see fit. The governments of the world had known for a long long time, that the Taliban were a corrupt regime, but they were quite happy to adopt a 'laissez faire' attitude until September 11th. Of course, the attack was an attrocity - but I think we as a people need to be reminded every so often that we are not perfect.

Have you ever played the game C&amp;C:Red Alert? The back story is very interesting. Einstein builds a time machine in the late 40s/early 5os and travels back to the 20s to erase a young man named Adolf Hitler from existance. As a result, Einstein returns back to a world where WWII never occurred. It is only years later that the error of his ways is revealed - without any rememberance of WWII, mankind's thirst for war is not satisfied and the cold war becomes a very hot one!!

Problems in society must be solved - not avoided!!
 
Maybe your right,But I dont think its possible to change the past and have memory of it,after all If tommorow I was to travel back to Aug 16th 1977 and move Elvis's dead body from the living room into the bathroom and onto the toilet it would have already happened now.It would already be our history so Id have no need tommorow to go back and change it therefore it wouldnt happen....damn this is all to confusing,and I think im losing my marbles,please ignore my last post as it would appear I have no idea what the hell im talking about.
Cheers Dylan.
Ill be back when my brain is functioning again,which could be some time,so please dont hold your breath /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Some of this I find very interesting...

"They picked apart what I said (which I remind you is very vague) and commented in true debunking style."
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You comment that what you said is "vague" yet earlier you refer to it as you "let the information floodgate open". That seems contradictory. Then you mention about the "true debunking style" (more on this).

"We know debunkers watch this forum and every forum in the world and the moment something get mentioned about what I term for this forum "the Great Catastrophy" it gets responses straight away from people who never come on here for the most part."
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This statement seems to not be something from the past, but from someone that is here often and understands the social nuances of a forum in 2003. I also agree with JamesAnthony that your, I knew the debunkers would come after I "opened the floodgate" and the "I remind you is very vague" statements are most humourous. You also say "we know". I find this an interesting choice of wording. Of course you will say you meant "we of the future" or some such, but I still find it interesting. It was certainly written in the familiar.

"I am not afraid of critisism at all. As stated a few times now, whether you accept what I say or reject it is your choice and has no meaning to me one way or another."
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JT used this tactic too. It does work. You know that. Good choice using it as well.

"As for my earthquake statement, you can work out where the earthquake is going to be by looking at trend data for the last month from the Atlantic Rift and various parts of the Pacific Ring of Fire. There is a pattern if you examine the data and work toward a date in between December and January."
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If you don't mind "opening the floodgate of information", then why not say exactly where? Easy to make a "prediction" using the ring of fire. Here is one of mine. Soon there will be a terrorist attack and people will die. It will be bad. You can study the world political-military situation and work out where. How about space travel will be attempted by private companies and entrepreneurs in the next few years. You get the idea...

The ring of fire is, and I quote (USGS) "Volcanic arcs and oceanic trenches partly encircling the Pacific Basin form the so-called Ring of Fire, a zone of frequent earthquakes and volcanic eruptions." Also (BBC) "The zone - the 'Ring of Fire' - notorious for frequent earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, coincides with the edges of one of the world's main tectonic plates."

In fact, on Nov 23rd at 18:06 in Tonga there was a 5.7M quake. The next day in Hokkaido there was a 5.0M quake. In 2003 Hokkaido also had one in Oct (6.7M) and in Sept (8.3M - Largest quake in 2003). Again, like seeing a bowl of ice cream sitting out and "predicting" it will melt. If you were to give a location, well now that is a prediction.

"I can assure you no Government on this planet has alien technology in their keeping. The three ships that crashed back in the 1947 in Roswell where set on self-destruct after they crashed to prevent any salvage efforts. This crash was a deliberate attempt to make peaceful contact with the US Governemnt. Only some metal of the ships outer shells remained and are currently hidden in a vault that exists deep under the Pentagon Building."
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Now this, I would state my opinion. False. My only reason is that one of my relatives was an employee of Lockheed during that time. He worked on various "Black" projects and when he was about 70 years old, he was sitting in my living room telling my parents and I about seeing and working on the downed vehicles. They collided with each other at high speed (Roswell &amp; Magdelena). One was seriously damaged as a result, but one was not. Actually, he spoke about them at great length. This eventually led to my interest in the subject. After he retired and it had been many years, he believed that the US government should come forward with this information.

So on a personal note...I have to disbelieve your story regarding visitor technology.
 
By the way, all of our modern science cannot predict a quake. But you expect us to?
You say you do not wish to get involved and then ohhhh, the teaser clues. Study this map and that map and you should be able work it out. Well, is that not involvement? Say where, when, and how large. Now that is a prediction.

You think it will change the future? Well, you should know. The whole world will say some internet nut thinks a quake will happen. Now after it, people would be thinking wow, interesting. Still the majority will not believe.

You know why there are no true predictions? Hmmm? One guess for you...
 
Global_1,

If you're looking for something, no matter how hard you and all your buddies look, no matter how much money you spend, and people you tell you're looking for it, and people that believe you're the best qualified to look for it, and people who use your progress of looking for it as an absolute indication of the best possible progress of looking for it, and other people that join in looking for it with their own order and subsequent action, if you're all looking in the wrong place expecting to see it, you'll never find it. It's there. Eventually, someone gets to the right place and finds it. What if someone told you where to look?

The transistor was right in front of Bardeen and Brattain's nose, but it took them years to find it.
 
Charlie,

I was born in the Flinders Ranges west of Sydney on what was the remains of the continent of Australia, on June 18, 2006.
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You were born in 2006 folowing Boomer's War and in 2027 you use what is to become the C204.

I know that the original archive of Titor's posts ("Time Travel Paradox" and "Limited to 11 pages...") is incomplete here. The archive became corrupt when we kept posting to the "Time Travel Paradox" thread and it grew beyond 11 pages in length (apparently the maximum that the BBS software could handle in 2001. We continued the discussion on "Limited to 11 pages...").

But you need to go back and read the posts (there are archives at Anomalies.net and elsewhere) if you're going to insert yourself into the story. Your factual statements should at the very least come close to matching the original saga.

Titor's War, according to Titor's story, occurs after 2008. He laid it between the lines but 2015 seems to be the year of his nuclear war..

The C204, again according to Titor, is the first working model of his gadget and is developed in 2034.

And, once again according to Titor, Australia survives virtually unscathed after repulsing a PRC attempt to invade.
 
Time ratchit control, as said by PM.

That every time one travels to the future or the past, then nature of that timeline is changed, a little or a lot.
 
Darby, I think you may have misread some points you reported in your recent post.

you said
"You (Charlie) were born in 2006 following Boomer's War"
Charlie said he was born after the Great Catastrophe (GC), and that his community struggled to survive while Australia was being "punished" for being aligned with the US. Therefore, I believe Charlie is saying he was born after a great natural catastrophe, but alive during the active global war (which you called Boomer's War of 2008-2015).

Charlie used the word "punished", which sounds like a military/economic attack, but not the word "destroyed" as would be a nuclear attack. In truth, Australia's military power is only conventional weapons, orientated for defense against invasion. It can "join in" or support an offensive attack (eg Iraq), but would be unlikely be seen individually as an offensive threat. More likely a power to be neutralized. Punished would be a good term for that.

Charlie talks of going to Sydney to help rebuilt it. If there was a GC and it was a natural event, then it is likely a massive earthquake or meteor strike. Either could result in huge tidal waves. The city of Sydney is on the Pacific coast of Australia, and the commercial center of the city is right on Sydney Harbor at sea level. In fact the huge majority of Australian cities and population are on the coastline. Massive tidal waves could indeed destroy the city. Communities living in the hills and inland (eg Flinders Ranges) would survive such a natural catastrophe.

If a country has a decimated population and a damaged commercial structure, would it be worth it to pound with nukes? Unlikely. Also, you wouldn't nuke a place that you want to keep as territory for yourself. A ground assault would be enough. But Australia's Army is not based in coastal or populated areas, so they could survive and marshal a defense, repulsing an attack/invasion.

However it might occur, even if the city of Sydney is destroyed by tidal wave or conventional weapon attack, it would make sense to try and re-use it as a major center, as it has a natural large harbor and links for communication. Best time to do that? - after the major war, when things seem safe again, which is what Charlie says. And it's not radioactive as it didn't get nuked. Darby, you specifically stated that, according to Titor, Australia survives virtually unscathed. Regarding the GC - didn't John Titor seem to allude to a major event, separate from the war?

Charlie is not specific about when he goes to Sydney, other than it is after the war and before the mid 2020's. If we take Titor's war date of 2015, and take "mid-2020's" as being about 2024-2026, then Charlie is aged between 10 and 20.

Darby, you also said
"The C204, again according to Titor, is the first working model of his gadget and is developed in 2034."
Charlie says in late 2027, the very first prototype of what would eventually become the C204 is developed. It is not unlikely that for a concept this unique, it would take until 2034 to produce a working model.

And for those forum <font color="black"> [/COLOR] members concerned about the C204 manual pictures looking exactly like John Titor's unit - how many of these do you think were built? Surely only a handful. Is it that unlikely that John's was used for the official manual mages? I mean he says it is the first working model, possibly even a pre-production model? Charlie claims it is not fully tested, even by 2036 when John travels.

Anyway, what I am trying to say is I can't see any glaring story mistakes between Charlie and John. There are a few differences of opinion on some things, but their upbringing is very different. And you always must read the exact words being used by these two individuals. It is too easy to say "A world government? John never mentioned a world government!", when perhaps he was not specifically asked about it, or was asked something else like "is there a United Nations?" to which he might say "No" if that organization no longer existed. In fact, John was asked, “Is there some sort of new world government in place by 2011?", to which he said, “On my worldline in 2011, the United States is in the middle of a civil war that has dramatic effects on most of the other Western governments." Is that a Yes or a No? Perhaps he didn't feel like sharing that day - too much orange wine.

Regardless, I am but an intrigued reader, enjoying both stories and keeping an open mind on what might be. Is it enough to be a fence-sitter, and wait the next installment?

Where art thou, Charles?
 
And for those forum members concerned about the C204 manual pictures looking exactly like John Titor's unit - how many of these do you think were built? Surely only a handful. Is it that unlikely that John's was used for the official manual mages? I mean he says it is the first working model, possibly even a pre-production model? Charlie claims it is not fully tested, even by 2036 when John travels.
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I've already made the point that yes, there is more than a strong possibility that a manual for a unique object would contain pictures of the exact unique model. My problem with the whole thing is why are there two existing pictures identical to each order save for two stickers that could be removed during a photo editting process? Why is there a picture from John which is identical to the image in the manual? That's what I am 'concerned about'. I am willing to accept logical proposals such as what you have suggested, but I can't think of any that can explain this away as a coincidence!

James
 
And for those forum members concerned about the C204 manual pictures looking exactly like John Titor's unit - how many of these do you think were built? Surely only a handful. Is it that unlikely that John's was used for the official manual mages? I mean he says it is the first working model, possibly even a pre-production model? Charlie claims it is not fully tested, even by 2036 when John travels.

Which even makes my point all the better.

Say there was ONE time machine in existance in 2036 and say it is the model used to make the manual....their problem lies in 2038 right? Then why would they risk sending somebody back here in a "not fully tested" model when they have another year or two to get it right.

Would they risk losing a time machine that had so time much vested in it with the years of research needed to make it in the first place? I doubt it.

If the 2038 bug is such a dilemma for them why would they risk everything they worked on by using a "pre-production" model for this mission?
 
I wish more could understand this. JT picks and chooses what he reveals of the future....but it is ALWAYS said is such a manner that one can draw conclusions at will--or more to the pint--to fit the will of the person observing the "prediction." JT one one hand says he does nt want to involve himself but his very presence and his obvious need to be believed belies that in short order---as he continually teases and strings along the very people who want to believe him the most. If JT were for real, he would either 1) stay silent or 2) tell all. By doing a half ass job at neither leads be to think that he is a storyteller and nothing more.
 
Please keep these possible facts in mind.

One there might be three or more versions of John Titor traveling through time at any one given hour?

Two there indeed also be a John Rider, as jibed at by Pam, as there are variants of a said people from one time line to another.

The foresaid, if from Carlos Novela, who may or may have not visited other time lines.

There might be both evil; and good versions of John Titor?

There is also the possibility of John Titor leaving one place and then five minutes after, another version of Titor, or Jeb Tobor, returns saying that he is also a time traveler?
 
Thanks for the plug good buddy!

Well, if it ain't my pal Darby from Anomalies.net;
what are you doing here?

It seems that John Titor is now being rescued by Timeline_39,
the plot thickens.

Strange, reads almost like the plot from the movie "TIMELINE"
Hmmmm.....

Serious though, if John was in any real danger he would call
on Pamela; his true blue friend/confidant.

Still we appreciate Timeline_39 and his attempt to rescue Comrade Titor.

John, if you really are out there, I can loan you my backup HDR. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

You can call me or Steven Gibbs.
 
read donny's post guy's. very good point. If any of these guys were from the future and said they would not do something or another they would most likely just stay quiet. plus, keep in fact that future guys in little future clothing are coming onto a message board of all places. Don't those future guy's have anything else to do with their life?
 
Carlos,

Well, if it ain't my pal Darby from Anomalies.net;
what are you doing here?
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I've been a member here since Boomer was posting on TTI. Recall that he was on both TTI and P2P. We moved from P2P to Anomalies when Art Bell shut it down.
 
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