Wilma is now stronger than any recorded Atlantic hurricane... I think I see a trend here. Will the effects of Wilma help Titor's predictions?
Forecasters Fear Wilma's Effect on Fla.
Forecasters Fear Wilma's Effect on Fla.
Hurricane Katrina ties it all together (Civil War)
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RainmanTime
Super Moderator
It seems that you keep hoping that something will validate Titor's predictions. So far you've got two strikes, and I guess you want to go for the strikeout, eh? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
RMT
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Sweet!
ROTFLMAO!
I'm sitting here watching the season premiere episode of South Park... and in its usual, topical, hilarious manner, it is poking fun at the media circus and blame game of Katrina and New Orleans. But this time it is Beaverton, Colorado... home of the largest beaver dam in the world, which of course bursts and floods the town. How awesome. Anyone who's been following this thread should check it out and have a good laugh. I'm just sitting here waiting for someone like Chef or Officer Barbrady to come on talking about how John Titor predicted this! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
"Screw you guys, I'm going home!"
RMT
ROTFLMAO!
I'm sitting here watching the season premiere episode of South Park... and in its usual, topical, hilarious manner, it is poking fun at the media circus and blame game of Katrina and New Orleans. But this time it is Beaverton, Colorado... home of the largest beaver dam in the world, which of course bursts and floods the town. How awesome. Anyone who's been following this thread should check it out and have a good laugh. I'm just sitting here waiting for someone like Chef or Officer Barbrady to come on talking about how John Titor predicted this! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
"Screw you guys, I'm going home!"
RMT
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Katrina hits, no civil war - Strike 1.
Rita hits, no civil war - Strike 2.
You're 0 and 2, and I've heard Wilma can throw a mean slider.
RMT
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
True in the baseball paradigm, but this is where my analogy falls apart, it would seem. Because if the hurricane throws a "ball", I think that would mean it did not hit land (the strike zone). And if that happened, it certainly would not further Knowledge's hopes and dreams of seeing Titor's civil war prediction validated. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/tongue.gifYeah, but sometime, people go from 0-2 and end up walking
In any event, I see nothing on the horizon that is going to derail my "Titor is BS" party planning. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
RMT
The implications of present events does not spell itself out until the events become history. For example, I am sure no one realized Bush would push us to the brink of World War 3 in 2004 when he was elected. It's a classic rule of information, this is why Nostradamus, the Bible Code and predictions in general aren't true until they happen- because we have no context until it plays itself out.
For example, years later we could find out the terrorists have been using HAARP against us (hence the tornadoes), or perhaps years later we could find out our government has been doing some really bad stuff all this time. I wouldn't say Titor is debunked yet- there are still events in Russia developing with their drilling for oil, the Middle East is as unstable as it ever was and so on- there really is a lot going on. Funny how we had two Skull & Bones members running for office in 2004, right!
As Titor said, the enemy is the US government, not the US people. For all we know, there could be another Iran-Contra thingee going on or maybe even the FOIA will one day discover Osama was in with Bush all along. Another strong possibility is oil itself- we could find out about a vast conspiracy over oil has been going on sonce 1974, we could even find out that oil is a natural resource, not a fossil fuel.
I have a question for you all- what exactly would it take from current events to start a civil war? We all gotta admit there's been some really weird stuff going on the past few years! Bush's "liberation of Iraq" debacle is top on my list. I have even more horrifying possibilities regarding current events that would land us all at the White House doorstep calling for a change too- the game's not played out yet.
Titor saying "one Waco-like event after another" is enough to convince me personally, I don't know how much more proof he could have given, he also said something like "wait until you find out this is something I could have prevented" too. Bush has technically acted against the Constitution many times these past few years, just now we're finding out our Big Brother is in our printers and who knows- Big Brother may also be watching you through your house's outlets too! There are simply too many variables going on right now but one thing is clear- these sure are weird times!
For example, years later we could find out the terrorists have been using HAARP against us (hence the tornadoes), or perhaps years later we could find out our government has been doing some really bad stuff all this time. I wouldn't say Titor is debunked yet- there are still events in Russia developing with their drilling for oil, the Middle East is as unstable as it ever was and so on- there really is a lot going on. Funny how we had two Skull & Bones members running for office in 2004, right!
As Titor said, the enemy is the US government, not the US people. For all we know, there could be another Iran-Contra thingee going on or maybe even the FOIA will one day discover Osama was in with Bush all along. Another strong possibility is oil itself- we could find out about a vast conspiracy over oil has been going on sonce 1974, we could even find out that oil is a natural resource, not a fossil fuel.
I have a question for you all- what exactly would it take from current events to start a civil war? We all gotta admit there's been some really weird stuff going on the past few years! Bush's "liberation of Iraq" debacle is top on my list. I have even more horrifying possibilities regarding current events that would land us all at the White House doorstep calling for a change too- the game's not played out yet.
Titor saying "one Waco-like event after another" is enough to convince me personally, I don't know how much more proof he could have given, he also said something like "wait until you find out this is something I could have prevented" too. Bush has technically acted against the Constitution many times these past few years, just now we're finding out our Big Brother is in our printers and who knows- Big Brother may also be watching you through your house's outlets too! There are simply too many variables going on right now but one thing is clear- these sure are weird times!
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
So what analysis (and facts) is this judgement based upon? Some would have said his decision to invade Iraq in 2003 "started" WW3, and that was well before the election. And how would you identify the "brink" of WW3?
And much of this is due to the vagueness of his "predictions". Of course, he also covered himself by hedging his predictions with the "worldline divergence" theory. Regardless, whether he has been "debunked" or not, history from 2000 through now has clearly shown him wrong on more than one count. Wouldn't you agree?
Interesting speculation. But how would you distinguish between the two? You make them sound as if they are mutually exclusive. Is not anything formed by the processes of nature considered a natural resource?
No, I don't think I've "gotta admit". Why do you think the invasion of Iraq was "weird"? It was certainly predictable given Saddam's invasion of Kuwait, the first gulf war, threat on Daddy Bush's life from Saddam's regieme, and the events of 9/11/2001. In fact, that's probably why Boomer alluded to it.
Mind if I point out that what you placed in quotes is not a direct quote? And why is it enough to convince you? Have you actually heard of "Waco-like" events? Do tell.
You seem to have an awfully low burden of proof, because I can think of a LOT more proof he could have given... for starters he could have been a lot more specific in his "predictions".
He did? Could you perhaps find the exact quote and the date of the post he said this? I'd like to verify what you've said here.
While we may not know what political philosophy you espouse, we certainly know which one you don't like! Your bias is showing.
RMT
>For example, I am sure no one realized Bush would push us to the brink of World War 3 in 2004 when he was elected.
>>So what analysis (and facts) is this judgement based upon? Some would have said his decision to invade Iraq in 2003 "started" WW3, and that was well before the election. And how would you identify the "brink" of WW3?<<
There are 4,300,000 Google responses to "Bush Sucks". 10% of them have salient points. So you're pro-Bush? You think he's doing a good job? You think as many or more countries like us today over 6 years ago? You think a secret, dirty WW3 isn't slowly taking shape from all the...STUFF that's going on around here?
>>[M]uch of this is due to the vagueness of [Titor's] "predictions". Of course, he also covered himself by hedging his predictions with the "worldline divergence" theory.<<
I actually believe in the multiple worldline theory and can prove it mathematically, but that would only "open the door to weirdness". Like when supersonic pilots (or space station astronauts) "lose time"- what exactly does that mean?
>>Regardless, whether he has been "debunked" or not, history from 2000 through now has clearly shown him wrong on more than one count. Wouldn't you agree?<<
I don't recall one clear contradiction, not saying he was right- maybe you can tell me more about that. The closest thing to a silver bullet is the slight variances in the different Titor logs there are- one log it's 2% divergence and another it's 2.5%... stuff like that. Where was he patently wrong and how would that weigh against his 2.5% divergence?
>we could even find out that oil is a natural resource, not a fossil fuel<
>>Interesting speculation. But how would you distinguish between the two? You make them sound as if they are mutually exclusive. Is not anything formed by the processes of nature considered a natural resource?<<
Unless you know of any biological process that keeps any part of any living thing alive for hundreds of millions of years, I am more inclined to say that the active hydrocarbons in petrolium is little more than hydrogen, carbon and water and is naturally-occuring with heat and pressure over time. Then of course there's the fact that there are no fossils anywhere deeper in the Earth than about 2,000 feet whereas petrolium comes from the bowels of the Earth. And since there are no "anerobic microbes" in petrolium, I have to say it's part of the Earth. Of course there's also the refilling of spent oil wells as well, there's lots of indications. But this is a real Pandora's Box.
>We all gotta admit there's been some really weird stuff going on the past few years! Bush's "liberation of Iraq" debacle is top on my list.<
>>No, I don't think I've "gotta admit". Why do you think the invasion of Iraq was "weird"? It was certainly predictable given Saddam's invasion of Kuwait, the first gulf war, threat on Daddy Bush's life from Saddam's regieme, and the events of 9/11/2001. In fact, that's probably why Boomer alluded to it.<<
It was weird because it was so obviously not a terrorist-move yet we all went along with it anyway and half a million Iraqis and 2,000 Americans are dead as a result and know what? Oil went up, not down. This is why I asked what will it take for us to all rise up and get rid of Bush.
>Titor saying "one Waco-like event after another" is enough to convince me personally<
>>Mind if I point out that what you placed in quotes is not a direct quote? And why is it enough to convince you? Have you actually heard of "Waco-like" events? Do tell.<<
I will happily play the "quantifying game" and make the other person explain every thing in detail provided you allow me to do the same. I am convinced because Titor said one Waco after another and a civil war in 2005 and while these things sounded crazy when he said it five years ago, a lot of weird stuff has happened when he said it would, especially since he wouldn't get into natural disasters which we now have lots of. That, and that the overall message Titor left us is still consistent- the science is good enough to where it might work, his explanation of multiple universes is sound, he answered tons of questions people asked and still managed to convey one clear message.
Best scientific argument against Titor is Robert C. Brown from the Department of Physics at Duke on 9/8/2003 and even that doesn't debunk Titor completly, it still leaves a window open. We can discuss that if you like.
>I don't know how much more proof he could have given<
>>You seem to have an awfully low burden of proof, because I can think of a LOT more proof he could have given... for starters he could have been a lot more specific in his "predictions".<<
Considering the amount of information he provided over a long period of time and a lot of it was direct answers to tough questions and they all pointed to only a few truths, you gotta give the guy some credit. Let's put it this way- if you could go back to 1931 and kill Hitler, would you do it? Of course. But that would mean almost certainly that you and your entire family on this alternate timeline don't exist as a different 60 million people who died now don't. As a time traveller, at the very least you would want to look out for your family:
10 December 2000 11:32
10. What things do you think you will take back with you from this time?
Books! I'm also taking copies of family photos that were lost during the war.
Reading my old Titor logs I also found this, don't know if it's been shared yet:
13 December 2000 12:44
In my 2012, I was 14 years old spending most of my time living, running and hiding in the woods and rivers of central Florida. The civil war was in its 7th year and the world war was three years away. Yes, there are unusual events in 2012 but they do not cause the world to end. Unfortunately, I have decided not to discuss events that you or I can do anything about. It is important that they be a surprise. Perhaps you are familiar with the story of the Red Sea and the Egyptians?
Red Sea = Tsunami.
>he also said something like "wait until you find out this is something I could have prevented" too.<
>>He did? Could you perhaps find the exact quote and the date of the post he said this? I'd like to verify what you've said here.<<
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16 January 2001 10:43
I know you have a hidden agenda. You have not made clear your motives and are only giving us very little proof. Why are you holding back?
Rest assured there is nothing I have planned in my "hidden agenda" that will make anyone's life any worse than it already might be.
Am I right? You do a lot of work in the background of our society? Admit it.
I plan to leave soon. There is nothing I can do here that will affect my home. My goals are based on the love I have for my family. Actually, my interest in the past is a result of going through piles of half burned books and magazines left over from a war started by people you share this planet with right now. On that note, perhaps its more interesting to consider what I won't be doing to try and stop that war.
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>Bush has technically acted against the Constitution many times these past few years<
>>While we may not know what political philosophy you espouse, we certainly know which one you don't like! Your bias is showing.<<
Ironically, I am a registered Republican and voted for him twice. I was also one of those people laughing at the whiny Democrats in 2004 when we proved Bush deserves to be in office. So this is coming from a truly objective perspective.
And BTW, "espouse"? Are we having an intelligent discussion or dueling with ten dollar words?
>>So what analysis (and facts) is this judgement based upon? Some would have said his decision to invade Iraq in 2003 "started" WW3, and that was well before the election. And how would you identify the "brink" of WW3?<<
There are 4,300,000 Google responses to "Bush Sucks". 10% of them have salient points. So you're pro-Bush? You think he's doing a good job? You think as many or more countries like us today over 6 years ago? You think a secret, dirty WW3 isn't slowly taking shape from all the...STUFF that's going on around here?
>>[M]uch of this is due to the vagueness of [Titor's] "predictions". Of course, he also covered himself by hedging his predictions with the "worldline divergence" theory.<<
I actually believe in the multiple worldline theory and can prove it mathematically, but that would only "open the door to weirdness". Like when supersonic pilots (or space station astronauts) "lose time"- what exactly does that mean?
>>Regardless, whether he has been "debunked" or not, history from 2000 through now has clearly shown him wrong on more than one count. Wouldn't you agree?<<
I don't recall one clear contradiction, not saying he was right- maybe you can tell me more about that. The closest thing to a silver bullet is the slight variances in the different Titor logs there are- one log it's 2% divergence and another it's 2.5%... stuff like that. Where was he patently wrong and how would that weigh against his 2.5% divergence?
>we could even find out that oil is a natural resource, not a fossil fuel<
>>Interesting speculation. But how would you distinguish between the two? You make them sound as if they are mutually exclusive. Is not anything formed by the processes of nature considered a natural resource?<<
Unless you know of any biological process that keeps any part of any living thing alive for hundreds of millions of years, I am more inclined to say that the active hydrocarbons in petrolium is little more than hydrogen, carbon and water and is naturally-occuring with heat and pressure over time. Then of course there's the fact that there are no fossils anywhere deeper in the Earth than about 2,000 feet whereas petrolium comes from the bowels of the Earth. And since there are no "anerobic microbes" in petrolium, I have to say it's part of the Earth. Of course there's also the refilling of spent oil wells as well, there's lots of indications. But this is a real Pandora's Box.
>We all gotta admit there's been some really weird stuff going on the past few years! Bush's "liberation of Iraq" debacle is top on my list.<
>>No, I don't think I've "gotta admit". Why do you think the invasion of Iraq was "weird"? It was certainly predictable given Saddam's invasion of Kuwait, the first gulf war, threat on Daddy Bush's life from Saddam's regieme, and the events of 9/11/2001. In fact, that's probably why Boomer alluded to it.<<
It was weird because it was so obviously not a terrorist-move yet we all went along with it anyway and half a million Iraqis and 2,000 Americans are dead as a result and know what? Oil went up, not down. This is why I asked what will it take for us to all rise up and get rid of Bush.
>Titor saying "one Waco-like event after another" is enough to convince me personally<
>>Mind if I point out that what you placed in quotes is not a direct quote? And why is it enough to convince you? Have you actually heard of "Waco-like" events? Do tell.<<
I will happily play the "quantifying game" and make the other person explain every thing in detail provided you allow me to do the same. I am convinced because Titor said one Waco after another and a civil war in 2005 and while these things sounded crazy when he said it five years ago, a lot of weird stuff has happened when he said it would, especially since he wouldn't get into natural disasters which we now have lots of. That, and that the overall message Titor left us is still consistent- the science is good enough to where it might work, his explanation of multiple universes is sound, he answered tons of questions people asked and still managed to convey one clear message.
Best scientific argument against Titor is Robert C. Brown from the Department of Physics at Duke on 9/8/2003 and even that doesn't debunk Titor completly, it still leaves a window open. We can discuss that if you like.
>I don't know how much more proof he could have given<
>>You seem to have an awfully low burden of proof, because I can think of a LOT more proof he could have given... for starters he could have been a lot more specific in his "predictions".<<
Considering the amount of information he provided over a long period of time and a lot of it was direct answers to tough questions and they all pointed to only a few truths, you gotta give the guy some credit. Let's put it this way- if you could go back to 1931 and kill Hitler, would you do it? Of course. But that would mean almost certainly that you and your entire family on this alternate timeline don't exist as a different 60 million people who died now don't. As a time traveller, at the very least you would want to look out for your family:
10 December 2000 11:32
10. What things do you think you will take back with you from this time?
Books! I'm also taking copies of family photos that were lost during the war.
Reading my old Titor logs I also found this, don't know if it's been shared yet:
13 December 2000 12:44
In my 2012, I was 14 years old spending most of my time living, running and hiding in the woods and rivers of central Florida. The civil war was in its 7th year and the world war was three years away. Yes, there are unusual events in 2012 but they do not cause the world to end. Unfortunately, I have decided not to discuss events that you or I can do anything about. It is important that they be a surprise. Perhaps you are familiar with the story of the Red Sea and the Egyptians?
Red Sea = Tsunami.
>he also said something like "wait until you find out this is something I could have prevented" too.<
>>He did? Could you perhaps find the exact quote and the date of the post he said this? I'd like to verify what you've said here.<<
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16 January 2001 10:43
I know you have a hidden agenda. You have not made clear your motives and are only giving us very little proof. Why are you holding back?
Rest assured there is nothing I have planned in my "hidden agenda" that will make anyone's life any worse than it already might be.
Am I right? You do a lot of work in the background of our society? Admit it.
I plan to leave soon. There is nothing I can do here that will affect my home. My goals are based on the love I have for my family. Actually, my interest in the past is a result of going through piles of half burned books and magazines left over from a war started by people you share this planet with right now. On that note, perhaps its more interesting to consider what I won't be doing to try and stop that war.
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>Bush has technically acted against the Constitution many times these past few years<
>>While we may not know what political philosophy you espouse, we certainly know which one you don't like! Your bias is showing.<<
Ironically, I am a registered Republican and voted for him twice. I was also one of those people laughing at the whiny Democrats in 2004 when we proved Bush deserves to be in office. So this is coming from a truly objective perspective.
And BTW, "espouse"? Are we having an intelligent discussion or dueling with ten dollar words?
The most direct proof that there never was an oil crisis can be seen today and for the next week as Wilma, a hurricaine at least as powerful as Katrina, is about to affect the same oil platforms in the Gulf Coast and cause the same disruption, yet at the same time gas prices are going down. Nothing else has changed, yet gas is still going down. Why is that? Because the glut of the oilmen has caused serious damage- airlines are thinking about bankrupcy, so are US auto makers... taxi fares have gone up, people don't go out and spend money as much and less and less of them are flying away on vacation because of terrorism, truck lines across the country are raising their rates and making logistics, that which makes America work, is becoming a luxory. This winter we all have to look forward to the same oil as last year but at 60-100% the price. This will directly affect over a hundred million people in a very personal way and cause much angst, especially when you realize Mobil is on track to profit a cool $20 billion plus this 2005 year as are all the other oil companies. And 2005 isn't done yet.
I'm not sure if I ever said that these hurricanes would cause civil war - please correct me with some direct quotes if I am wrong. Maybe the whole of them, combined with other influences, will start civil war. Also, John told us that most of us would not recognize the start of Civil War II but that everyone would find out a few years later.
By the way, I'm just curious... How would you react if Titor's predictions came true? Are you completely sure that it will never happen? I was thinking that you should move your Titor is BS party to the start of a more certain event, like the start of the 2006 Winter Olympics.
Einstein
Dimensional Traveler
I am completely sure that it will never happen. In fact if it did happen to you, it would probably be confirmation that you were in a comatose state and all of it was just a dream.
We get to choose our own path into the future. That fact all by itself will falsify any predictability for the future that you are attributing to Titor. It's almost as if you believe there is only one future path for us all. If so, your abilities in logical deduction are seriously flawed.
You have my condolences on your mental state of affairs.
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Knowledge,
Why don't you just consider my decision to keep my "Titor is BS party" on 1 JAN 2006 as a way to flaunt my sureity that Titor was a fraud? If I am wrong, the joke's on me!!! :D But when I am proven right, and 2006 is ushered in without civil war, maybe I can legitimately be laughing last? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
RMT
Honestly, I don't think I could answer this question with any better words than those that Einstein used. I hope Einstein won't mind me using his words and reinforcing them... but my answer to your question is exactly this:
This is the sole, singular fact that describes why I know Boomer, writing as Titor, is wrong. I won't be living in such a worldline. That is my choice. Maybe you have not decided yet, and so you might actually live in a worldline where Titor is right. Good luck, and be prepared is all I can say if that is your choice.
Why don't you just consider my decision to keep my "Titor is BS party" on 1 JAN 2006 as a way to flaunt my sureity that Titor was a fraud? If I am wrong, the joke's on me!!! :D But when I am proven right, and 2006 is ushered in without civil war, maybe I can legitimately be laughing last? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
RMT
Exactly what I've been thinking. Both of us are going to branch off into different worldlines if the concept of choosing your worldline and the Everett-Wheeler-Graham interpretation of quantum mechanics is correct. I personally want Titor to be right, because I believe in quantum immortality. Titor said that we'll get time displacement machines in 2034; if I want to, I'll get one, assuming that my mind actually can sway my fate. You're living in my worldline and I'm also living in yours... Maybe in the future, I'll take my time displacement machine and meet you in your worldline! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
>By the way, I'm just curious... How would you react if Titor's predictions came true?
>>Einstein: We get to choose our own path into the future. This is the sole, singular fact that describes why I know Boomer, writing as Titor, is wrong. I won't be living in such a worldline. That is my choice. Maybe you have not decided yet, and so you might actually live in a worldline where Titor is right. Good luck, and be prepared is all I can say if that is your choice.
So if I attacked you with a knife, you'd close your eyes and imagine there is no knife, right?
>>Why don't you just consider my decision to keep my "Titor is BS party" on 1 JAN 2006 as a way to flaunt my sureity that Titor was a fraud? If I am wrong, the joke's on me!!! But when I am proven right, and 2006 is ushered in without civil war, maybe I can legitimately be laughing last?<
I'd love to go to that party!
Can someone fill me in on the "Boomer-thing"?
>>Einstein: We get to choose our own path into the future. This is the sole, singular fact that describes why I know Boomer, writing as Titor, is wrong. I won't be living in such a worldline. That is my choice. Maybe you have not decided yet, and so you might actually live in a worldline where Titor is right. Good luck, and be prepared is all I can say if that is your choice.
So if I attacked you with a knife, you'd close your eyes and imagine there is no knife, right?
>>Why don't you just consider my decision to keep my "Titor is BS party" on 1 JAN 2006 as a way to flaunt my sureity that Titor was a fraud? If I am wrong, the joke's on me!!! But when I am proven right, and 2006 is ushered in without civil war, maybe I can legitimately be laughing last?<
I'd love to go to that party!
Can someone fill me in on the "Boomer-thing"?
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Heh. No, again you are misunderstanding the point: YOU do not get to choose MY future. So here is how my timeline would unravel given the scenario you present:
1) You attack with a knife.
2) I squeeze off one, maybe two rounds of my S&W 357 before you can even scratch me.
3) I close my eyes and imagine there might be someone in my timeline who might actually miss you.
Well, since you were concerned about this one, you'd better stay away. But I am considering having a follow-up on the day the Winter Olympics open in Turin. Call it the "Titor was ABSOLUTELY BS Party". /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
RMT