Blast From The Past

Darby said - "And I'm still not so sure that Zeshua isn't Peter's sister previously known online as SisNovak. No real evidence - just a guess."

To quote Ronald Regan, "There you go again." What is the motive for posting a "guess" like this in a public forum?

RMT said - "Beyond that, the mere enthusiasm with which you try to get people to 'believe Zeshua' is suspicious in and of itself. Even Pamela does not rise to your level in trying to get people to buy-into the Titor story."

More of the same mud-slinging. What's the point of that?

It seems to me Peter believes Zeshua has knowledge of future events, and he is trying to bring serious attention to that so smart people like yourselves will help analyze and evaluate the information. Zeshua couches her information in riddles, poems and anagrams. She claims that this is the only way to safely transmit information to the past without risking serious damage to the timeline, including her own existence. That entire premise could be evaluated and debated until the end of time, and maybe it should be, but Zeshua's information has a deadline. One of her “predictions” may unfold in the next couple of weeks, but the code hasn't been cracked. Instead of pointing fingers and slinging mud, set the information free, then debate if it was all a hoax or not.

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To quote Ronald Regan, "There you go again." What is the motive for posting a "guess" like this in a public forum?
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Jim,

I'll ask you the same question: What's the motive in posting that Burger King signs have changed in your neck of the woods - yet no one but you seems to have noticed?

It's a post - that's all it is.

We both run up against the definite possibility that someone, or a whole lot of "someones" will assume that we're psychotic and suffering from delusions. In the end both of us post what we preceive. Difference is - I made it very clear that it's just an unqualified guess on my part. Moreover, it's not the first time that I've said it. I'm a big boy, its not my first go-round and I can take the heat. In fact I actually enjoy the heat.

Can you say as much? Can you take the heat? Can you show us a series of posts that establish a consistent pattern of thought where you suggest that missing Burger King signs is just your personal opinion, that it's not shared by a significant number of "others" and that it is possible that you might be either guilding the lilly (a nice way of saying that you're not being truthful), or self deluding thus "reality challenged" (another way of saying mentally ill)?

It's odd that you don't make similar posts in cases when the "just a guess" is in line with what you believe. Why is that? If you're being Oh, so unbiased and honest why don't you make similar posts when the "just a guess" is in line with your belief system?

Or is it really all that odd? Is it possible that the criticism stems from a difference in opinion rather than from an unbiased critical analysis on your part? I don't know - but I suspect the former, rather than the latter, is the case. And if I'm going to be honest then "I don't know" is not being honest. I do know. The reality is that if a statement is made that's in line with what you believe then you're not going to look at the statement with a critical eye. You're going to bite the bait, post accordingly and support the position without any though of dissecting it.

In short - the criticism that you brought forth in your last post is pretty weak considering the totality of the circumstances of your past behavior.


(Pamela - I know that you're contemplating a response. Are you sure that you want to come to a gun fight armed with a butter knife?)
 
And as to why I might think there is a connection... It could possibly be that I was in communication with someone who was also in communication with you back in the early days of your Zeshua infatuation. This person related thoughts you had shared with them where you indicated (paraphrased) "It is a rough and competetive [sic] world out there promoting books and getting people to buy them. Sometimes you do what you have to in order to get attention." Again, that is a paraphrase... I do not recall the exact words. But the fact that these kinds of thoughts were attributed to you is what piqued my interest.
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Now Darby has descended to the use of unsubstantiated allegations in his obsessive character assassination campaign against me! That shows everyone what sort of a fellow he really is.

Darby has declared in a public forum that he thinks maybe he vaguely recalls something that some unidentified third party might have suggested that I might have said? What empty HORSESHIT he now resorts to!

Your allegations are completely false, Darby, and worse than that, they are slander. If you had the courage not to hide behind a secret online identity, you'd be subject to criminal action at the moment. No matter; this demonstrates your total lack of character, honor, and decency to the other readers on this forum.

- Peter
 
Jim,

RMT said - "Beyond that, the mere enthusiasm with which you try to get people to 'believe Zeshua' is suspicious in and of itself. Even Pamela does not rise to your level in trying to get people to buy-into the Titor story."

More of the same mud-slinging. What's the point of that?
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First, my mention of Pamela was actually a compliment to her, although she may not have recognized it. For all her past enthusiasm of the Titor story, one thing she did NOT do much of (if at all) was lay out her intepretations and state "John's predictions have been fulfilled". We cannot say as much for Peter, now can we?

As to your question of "what is the point?", perhaps my point is to bring "balance to the Force"? I believe you have to admit (if you are going to be honest) that words like "Sharia Law" are not any sort of prediction and moreover that anyone who wishes to "interpret" what they might mean viz-a-viz events that unfold on our timeline is being 100% speculative. They could be something less than 100% speculative if Zeshua's anagram had a few more words such as, perhaps, "Sharia Law comes to a Western Democracy." Even THAT would be enough for me to back off a LITTLE on Peter...Zeshy would not even have to tell us which one. It would mean Peter's interpretations would be something less than 100% speculative.

In any event, what you call mudslinging is simply my freedom to do what Peter is doing, but with a different object. Where he is free to espouse all his speculative interpretations about Zeshua here, then I am certainly free to enter my speculative interpretations of his motivations. That is how this Jedi acts to bring balance to the Force.


May the Force be with you!
RMT
 
Now Darby has descended to the use of unsubstantiated allegations in his obsessive character assassination campaign against me! That shows everyone what sort of a fellow he really is.

Darby has declared in a public forum that he thinks maybe he vaguely recalls something that some unidentified third party might have suggested that I might have said? What empty [censored] he now resorts to!

Your allegations are completely false, Darby, and worse than that, they are slander. If you had the courage not to hide behind a secret online identity, you'd be subject to criminal action at the moment. No matter; this demonstrates your total lack of character, honor, and decency to the other readers on this forum.

- Peter
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That wasn't Darby, it was me. And your usage of expletives are noted and inappropriate on this forum. I suggest you edit your post, and be notified that this is your first warning that such language will not be tolerated here. I would also suggest you bone-up on the distinction between slander and libel. You may also learn that I can only be guilty of libel if I know the allegations are not true. I have related the sum and substance of the discussion I had with this third party, while not necessarily being able to quote it verbatim. You might check legal precedence on that, too.

RMT
 
I would like to point out one thing.

Even if Sharia Law is brought over, do any of you have any idea what Americans would do with it?

I read the ruling and it stated that, "If it was agreed between the two parties"
Please understand that the judge may have a little more insight into the Law than a reporter.

You do not understand that the judge just minimized Sharia Law and made it A SMALL PART OF THE TOTAL LAW -way to go judge!

Sharia Law subject to another Law!.......Americans will manipulate it and take the best parts and toss the rest. The UK just handed Sharia Law a plate of rotten goat meat and told them to eat it w/ a side of poison kool-aid.

This isn't a prophecy, it's a joke.

I think EVERYBODY gets my point, Peter Cannot continue to point out main steam media and suggest that these prophecies have come to pass...

If you do not believe me, listen to the arch bishop---

Part of the law....
 
Your allegations are completely false, Darby, and worse than that, they are slander. If you had the courage not to hide behind a secret online identity, you'd be subject to criminal action at the moment. No matter; this demonstrates your total lack of character, honor, and decency to the other readers on this forum.
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Slander? Where's the slander in cogitating about whom the character behind Zeshua might be? You probably mean libel because the thought was in writing - but that's not the issue, is it?

For it to be slander or libel I'd have to say something that defames someone's character. Are you saying that associating someone with the name Zeshua is defamitory? Is it your opinion that the Zeshua story is some sort of a fraud and that associating someone's online name with her defames that person's name and character?

Now, be careful here - its a bit of a slippery slope, isn't it? I've never said that Zeshua is a hoax, have I? You want your cake and you want to eat it too. So which is it? Is being associated with the name Zeshua defamitory or is it a compliment? Based on your posts one must think that your opinion of Zeshua is positive thus being associated with her is a compliment.

Do you prefer chocolate cake, yellow cake or some other type?
 
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Sharia law, which derives from the teachings of the Koran and from Sunna (the practice of the prophet Mohammed), is implemented to varying degrees in different Islamic countries - from the beheadings of Saudi Arabia, to the relatively liberal social mores of Malaysia.

What is sharia?

The word sharia means "the path to a watering hole". It denotes an Islamic way of life that is more than a system of criminal justice. Sharia is a religious code for living, in the same way that the Bible offers a moral system for Christians.

It is adopted by most Muslims to a greater or lesser degree as a matter of personal conscience, but it can also be formally instituted as law by certain states and enforced by the courts. Many Islamic countries have adopted elements of sharia law, governing areas such as inheritance, banking and contract law.

What does sharia decree?

Sharia offers a code for living governing all elements of life, from prayers to fasting to donations to the poor. It decrees that men and women should dress modestly, which in some countries is interpreted as women taking the veil and the sexes being segregated.

"Sharia governs the lives of people in ways which are not governed by the law," says Lynn Welchman, director of the Centre for Islamic and Middle Eastern Law. "Over 50 countries are members of the Organisation of Islamic Conference, and you can expect there will be some form of compliance with sharia - either in people's personal lives or enforced through the courts by the state. A lot of states in the Middle East are taking more elements of sharia into their state laws."

What are Hadd offences?

Within sharia law, there is a specific set of offences known as the Hadd offences. These are crimes punished by specific penalties, such as stoning, lashes or the severing of a hand. The penalties for Hadd offences are not universally adopted as law in Islamic countries.

Some countries, such as Saudi Arabia, claim to live under pure sharia law and enforce the penalties for Hadd offences. In others, such as Pakistan, the penalties have not been enforced. The majority of Middle Eastern countries, including Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria, have not adopted Hadd offences as part of their state laws.

Hadd offences carry specific penalties, set by the Koran and by the prophet Mohammed. These include unlawful sexual intercourse (outside marriage); false accusation of unlawful intercourse; the drinking of alcohol; theft; and highway robbery. Sexual offences carry a penalty of stoning to death or flogging while theft is punished with cutting off a hand.

"This is a system of criminal law which has become a potent symbol of Islamisicing the law," says Dr Welchman. "But there is the question of whether it's actually applied in the countries which have adopted it. There is supposed to be a very high burden of proof, but that clearly often doesn't happen in practice."

Many Islamic countries will have adultery and the drinking of alcohol defined as criminal offences in law, but they are not defined as Hadd offences because they do not carry the Hadd penalty. They are often punishable by a prison term instead.

http://mccoy.lib.siu.edu/jmccall/otherafricas/sharia.html
 
Darby, all your bluster against me makes my point. You wish to stir up conflict and your primary weapon is unfounded accusation. Your veiled threat against Pamela is legally actionable.

RMT, if you choose to be Darby's Padawan, the dark side awaits.
 
"I've never said that Zeshua is a hoax, have I?"

darby might not say it, but i will. zeshua is a hoax. let me repeat, zeshua is a hoax.

john titor, and any other claimant on this site is a liar, con, and hoax.

peter is in on the zeshua hoax.

jim, titorite, and anyone else that is gullible enough to believe any of this has slipped into loony-land.

i could prove all of this, but frankly, its not worth my time or effort. this is actually a total joke. the might of mankind at its fullest...
 
I love it recall, If your really interested...

Here If you got 20 minutes read this. This is a memo, read at the senate about the BrotherHood yesterday. Some of the best reading I personally have had in a along time.

On to the next one...
 
[Darby quote] (Pamela - I know that you're contemplating a response. Are you sure that you want to come to a gun fight armed with a butter knife?)

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I wasn't aware we were in a gun fight.

Are you sure you really want to mess with me?
 
I personally think that sharia law was
a hit. I first heard the word sharia law
about two years ago on the radio in
the Provence of Ontario debating if we
should implement it here. It was just
talk and never happend.

The point is what would it take to make
sharia law to be a hit since it was a rare
idea in the western mind to begin with. Does
it have to be as extreme as the UN mandating
across the globe that sharia law to be
implemented with no exemptions. If this would
be the condition to be a hit then Zeshua
predition would all fail if that was the litmus
test.
 
The point is what would it take to make
sharia law to be a hit since it was a rare
idea in the western mind to begin with.
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It is merely your opinion that sharia law was a rare idea in the western mind. Just because you only became aware of it in the past two years does not mean it is news to everyone. As I pointed out in this thread long ago, sharia law was in the news DURING THE TIME ZESHUA MADE HER "prediction", because the radical Muslims who were trying to take control over Somalia were saying they were going to create a new Somalia based on sharia law. Indeed, even when the events of 9-11 caused the US to invade Afghanistan, everyone was aware that the Taliban was running Afghanistan under sharia law. So Occam's Razor says that Zeshua was simply taking terms that were already in the news, and putting them in anagram form without any reference to a real prediction... to get people like Peter to "interpret what Zeshua meant."

A similar example would be if I simply threw out the term "Wilkins Ice Sheet". Are you aware of this right now (without doing a google search)? This term IS in the news right now, but my stating this term has no relationship whatsoever to a prediction of any sorts. However, if someone who is subject to wanting to interpret things in an apocalyptic way keeps searching for this term, in perhaps 2-3 weeks time there will likely be another news story that reports "the Wilkins Ice Sheet has completed its breakaway from the Antarctic continetal ice shelf."

RMT
 
RMT, if you choose to be Darby's Padawan, the dark side awaits.
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And the difference between "coming to a gun fight armed with a butter knife" and "the dark side awaits" is...(fill in the blank)...?

I wasn't aware we were in a gun fight.

Are you sure you really want to mess with me?
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See? Pamela "gets it" - you don't.

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Odd isn't it how some people rail on and on about the First Amendment as long as someone else is the topic at hand. "God bless the Constitution and my right to free speech." When they are the topic at hand the Constitution, the baby and the bath water all go out the window.

But enough of the Zeshua thread. I know better than to get involved with it because it really does bore me and I tend to get off topic. I'll take my leave of this discussion.
 
It seems to me Peter believes Zeshua has knowledge of future events,
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Since when are some controversial issues regarding Middle East been considered knowledge of future events? Middle East is a chaotic part of the world. So it does not take a future time traveller to tell us it is and will be so in the future.

and he is trying to bring serious attention to that so smart people like yourselves will help analyze and evaluate the information.
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But so what? What will happen? Will the course of events be changed? Not likely. What is behind all these would-be prophecies?

Zeshua couches her information in riddles, poems and anagrams.
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Soem people seem to have a gift for that, but this does not make them different or more reliable to me.

She claims that this is the only way to safely transmit information to the past without risking serious damage to the timeline, including her own existence.
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They generally do not want to harm us. They are really considerate.

That entire premise could be evaluated and debated until the end of time, and maybe it should be, but Zeshua's information has a deadline. One of her “predictions” may unfold in the next couple of weeks, but the code hasn't been cracked. Instead of pointing fingers and slinging mud, set the information free, then debate if it was all a hoax or not.
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Definitely a hoax. It goes without saying. No one can know the future. God says so, so I believe in Him.
 
No, there are the Saints. Read up about them.

And just a reply because I am in such a mood.

Armageddon Seeking Guarding Taiwan Republicans over Incentive Seeking Relations-Building Democrats (perhaps with so-called Terrorists) dead bodies.

Nothing new, same type News back in 1967.

The future?
 
Could it be that the only reason Peter gets any attention , is that we are all bored.

You all know we could get get up and take the party elsewhere..

That is my ONLY message.... /ttiforum/images/graemlins/devil.gif
 
"Could it be that the only reason Peter gets any attention , is that we are all bored."

im pretty sure thats the reason most good hearted folks are here. that is not my only message.

you can learn alot from a single sentence.
 
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