Blast From The Past

Indeed, one can find PLENTY of citations from Muslims who will openly state that the creation of the state of Israel is based on lies. And indeed these citations stretch well before 2005 and will, no doubt, stretch far beyond 2009.

Yes, I admitted that above already. But those assertions do not make it into the major media. They are not picked up and run by the international news services.

Scholars consider Moses to be both the founder of the religion of Judaism and the state of Israel, for the following reasons :

He is credited as authoring the first five books of the Bible (google "the five books of Moses" if you don't believe me; it's no big secret).

He is also credited as leading the escaped Hebrew slaves of Egypt thru the desert for 40 years to "The Promised Land" -- which is the exact same land now called Palestine and Israel. Eventually the Jews' kingdom broke apart into two parts, Judah and Israel, and then a few centuries later was completely destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD, and was almost miraculously resurrected a thousand years later, on May 14, 1948.

All that history was founded upon Moses. He wrote their Bible and gave them their land, making him the founder both of their religion and their nation.

- Peter
 
Here we go again, with assertions from those that "believe" alleged time traveler's claims: They all have received personal and private information from said TT. And each person who has received these very private and personal messages all seem to react the same way: With an intense loyalty that is rarely even found amongst people irl.

Peter with your background in pscyhology, I am surprised that you aren't more logical in this. Perhaps it is not unlike a person who is normal lucid and rational who is in the throes of infatuation who is unable to see their lover clearly or fails to see that they are being used and manipulated.

Of course someone with your desire to believe and defend Zeshua will be targeted as a recipient to private emails. It is just a cou for Zeshua to get someone such as yourself to believe and defend them.For whatever reasons, you truly want to believe that Zeshua is time traveling via communications and no doubt the person(s) behind this saw that, felt that and then have taken advantage of that. Like the lover's analogy, if some guy wanted just sex from a woman, but he knew that she was "in love", well then he would know what to say and do to convince her that he is feeling the same things-in order to get from her what he wanted. This was also evident in Zeshua's doing this to another person I can think of, where this person's mothering and compassionate nature was exploited and why it is that people believed Zeshua was female-"she" played the emotions cared to appeal to this person, to be convincing.

Its called manipulation, pure and simple. Just as it is easy to gaslight someone in the negative sense, you can also gaslight them to become idol worshippers. This power is evident in cult leaders, etc, but most often happens in intimate relationships. However anywhere that anyone has an agenda, there will be people that will be vunerable to suggestion and you were picked by Zeshua for this very reason.

Has Zeshua revealed ever why it is that the clues that they give are cryptic? Why not just bust straight out with "these will be news headlines in 07-09." Why not be no holds-barred convincing? Apparently Zeshua wants to convince someone of their validity so why not be straight forward?

But that would be too easy, right? The thrill for Zeshua is not to be believed, but to see how many people will drive themselves crazy to figure out the anagrams, read into every news story and otherwise become faithful followers. Zeshua is at the very best, an attention whore.

Unfortunatly, not as good as John Titor. But tried. You seem Peter to be the only one even interested in keeping the Zeshua story alive. If Zeshua really wanted to make an impact, then they should've given an undisputable clue and THEN give the cryptic puzzles. You are a cheerleader for the Zeshua camp but unfortunatly, no one is watching the game.

Why be so loyal? Post what you know that isn't public info. It may be too late though. Unless you can prove the real dates and times of your received private mail-it shows nothing. I too can say "I got a private email that said...." but again, that proves nothing. Except my desire to convince others to believe what I want to believe.
 
Scholars consider Moses to be both the founder of the religion of Judaism and the state of Israel

http://www.religionfacts.com/judaism/history.htm

The specifically Hebrew element of biblical history begins with Abraham, who is considered the founder of the Jewish religion.

What you are talking about is merely this aspect:

Modern scholarship has identified significant differences between the religion of Abraham and the patriarchs and the later Israelite religion of Moses. Historians note that the God of Abraham is referred to using generic, not specifically Israelite terms (namely, various forms of El), the Mosaic issues of divine jealousy and idolatry are virtually absent, and God's role is as a kind of patron deity who has bestowed his favor on Abraham.

But there are plenty of other references that suggest you are being much to narrow in considering only Moses as the father of Judaism. (All to meet your need with respect to Zeshua). Here are a few references:

http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/Homework/religion/jewish.htm

Who is the founder of Judaism?
The Hebrew leader Abraham founded Judaism around 2000 B.C. Moses, is also an important figure as he gave the Jews the Torah around 1250 B.C. The Torah contains the laws of God.

http://www.science.co.il/Israel-history.asp

The people of modern day Israel share the same language and culture shaped by the Jewish heritage and religion passed through generations starting with the founding father Abraham (ca. 1800 BCE)

http://www.ishwar.com/judaism/

Abraham ("Father/Leader of many", Standard Hebrew Avraham, Latin Abrahamus, Tiberian Hebrew Abraham; Arabic Ibrahim) is the patriarch of Judaism, recognized by Christianity, and a very important prophet in Islam. The story of his life is told in the Book of Genesis and in the Quran.

This last quote illuminates a reason why you are being selective in your assignment of Moses as the father of Israel. You "need" that to be true in order to continue to propagate the division of the Hebrews and the Muslims. Otherwise YOUR intepretation of "Israel based on lies" will not work. It is quite pitiful, given that we live in a world that would be best served by Muslims and Hebrews celebrating their common bond in Abraham rather than continuing their warring with each other over their differences.

RMT
 
Of course someone with your desire to believe and defend Zeshua will be targeted as a recipient to private emails. It is just a cou for Zeshua to get someone such as yourself to believe and defend them.

This is spot-on, Risata. One thing that I have not revealed on this forum, until now, is that Zeshua sent me PMs as well, right after "she" appeared on the scene. Those emails were overly cordial and were easily seen for what "she" was trying to do: Enlist me in her army of defenders. "She" made suggestions to me in these PMs about things that would come to pass between us in the future, and how "we had many great conversations over the years."

The difference here is, that Peter embraced her (through some desperate need to believe?) whereas I took the more conservative route. I never replied. "She" was clearly fishing for people to do EXACTLY what Peter has done. And I have no doubt that Peter will play the role to the very end.

RMT
 
I know all of this, and sincerely hope you are correct. At the same time, though, I doubt it more and more as these predictions keep clicking off, one by one.

Zeshua has maintained from the beginning that most would continue to find excuses to reject her claims until 2009, after which everyone would come clamoring to her just like the doomed masses to Noah's Ark. We will all find out together if that changes after 2009 arrives.

And just like with Noah, Zeshua says that by the time everyone realizes in 2009 that she has been on the up and up all along, it will then be too late for her to help any more.

Do I have doubts? Of course I do, and I have not been shy in stating them here, repeatedly, over the last three years. But I have willing and knowingly taken the risk of being eventually shown up publicly as a fool in this matter, if for no other reason than to insure that we (you and me, not me and her) will continue to have access to her information, just in case it proves in the end to be valuable after all. No one else stood up to assume this thankless duty, so I did, because its always better to be safe than sorry. Today I stand alone in that regard, and whether I am eventually celebrated or ridiculed for doing so, I feel it was the right thing to do, and feel my heart has been in the right place on this thing all along.

- Peter
 
Okay, being a little negative here, and no I donot mean Peter, just the thread.

A disset a dasset, what's inside the basket!

Mary had a little lamb,
Her fleece was white as snow,
and everywhere that Mary went,
The fleas were sure to go!

Now, again, I have not heard about Dr. Cramer, who was doing that experiment in the first place to see if photons traveled back in time before the entanglement or whatever it is, when he sought public money to do that time experiment, that would have a bearing on whether any of this kind of communication from Zeshua can even happen in the first place, perhaps. (or at least some theory about any of it.)

And as far as the Middle East, to me, both sides are wrong. And then all a person can do is still read about it on the News. It is like the entire world does not support any kind of correct decision over there about any of it. They (the U.N.) may state something, but to me, something else is going on behind the communications no one seems to hear about on the News, in a manner of speaking. But not all the many people have the time to spend on the entire subject, because it does get old, and the fighting over there still continues, and that is all they seem to know. Maybe not so much Israel as the others who continue to live on this Planet that way. Now, when some kids are bad with their toys, perhaps their parents end up taking their toys away.
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What is the relationship between Moses and Abraham?

Well, that depends.

If you accept Jewish tradition as your authority, the answer is that Abraham is the father of the Jewish people, while Moses is the founder of their religion. According to Jewish tradition, Abraham had two sons, one of which was named Isaac. Isaac had two sons as well, one of which was named Jacob, who was also called Israel. Jacob had twelve sons, those traditions maintain, each of whom had large families which grew and grew and eventually became twelve great tribes, the “twelve tribes of Israel”. During a severe famine in the Middle East, those twelve tribes, otherwise known as “the children of Israel”, migrated into Egypt for work and food, and eventually were turned into slaves there. They remained enslaved in Egypt for centuries, until Moses came along and led them out of Egypt, told them a bunch of wonderful things about their ancestral God, wrote some books for them about their miraculous past history, and eventually led them into the land now known as Palestine where they settled down and became a nation.

However, even if you don’t accept Jewish tradition as your authority, modern scholarship still agrees that Moses probably wrote the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Bible, which held all those stories about Abraham and all the rest.

Now, the news story that came out this week asserted rather controversially that Moses’ stories about seeing God on Mount Sinai were probably due to hallucinogenic drugs he took rather than any authentic supernatural mystical experience (whether that assertion is true of not is besides the point, and cannot be determined in either case). But what that assertion does suggest is that all those marvelous books Moses wrote for the Hebrew slaves he led out of Egypt were therefore also falsified. He did not receive those books via divine inspiration, that assertion maintains, but through mind-altering drugs. In other words, all his stories about Adam and Eve, the Tower of Babel, and Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were all fabrications, according to this assertion, and Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob never really existed at all. In other words, this controversial assertion suggested that Moses was the only true founder of the Jewish people, the Judaic religion, and the state of Israel, and that all the above were based on his lies.

- Peter
 
Peter,

I must tell you that by continuing on this path, you are actually helping to not only disprove your interpretations about Moses and "Israel Based on Lies", but you are also helping to show that Zeshua the hoaxer has Anti-Semitic tendencies, and is probably a Muslim. I am now going to show you, unequivocally, how one of your recent statements causes this whole interpretation of yours to unravel.

As a result of my studies into the science embedded within all world religions, I have become a scholar, of sorts, of many world religions. Amateur scholar, yes, but that does not mean that I cannot or will not back my statements of this scholarship. I do not ascribe to ANY of these religions, and so therefore I am not biased in reporting what I find in historical accounts. With that out of the way, let me start by showing you the statement you make which leads to the whole unwinding. I know you will likely not admit it, nor agree, but this is to show other readers just how shallow your interpretations have been (and must be) in order to prop up Zeshua. This statement is the one we need to focus on:

In other words, all his stories about Adam and Eve, the Tower of Babel, and Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were all fabrications, according to this assertion, and Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob never really existed at all. In other words, this controversial assertion suggested that Moses was the only true founder of the Jewish people, the Judaic religion, and the state of Israel, and that all the above were based on his lies.

The upshot of this statement, if it were true (and it is not), would be that NOT ONLY would Israel be based on lies, but SO WOULD CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM. For if you are claiming that Moses "made up Abraham" and he is thus a lie, then that same lie propagates to the foundations of Islam and Christianity, for they both hold that Abraham is their patriarch. Christianity maintains that through Abraham God made a covenant from which their savior would be born in Jesus Christ...from the lineage of Abraham. Furthermore, Ishmael was one of the sons of Abraham from whom the Arab Muslims were descended (the most important being Mohammad himself).

So what we see in this argument of yours is that, if one accepts it, it actually REJECTS the premise of Zeshua's anagram which you claim is "Israel Based On Lies", which you have told us Zeshua has confirmed for you. Because not only is Israel based on lies, but so is Islam and Christianity. As I have pointed out NOWHERE have these words attributed to Zeshua shown up in ANY headlines from 2007-2009. Rather, it requires your MAJOR stretches of interpretation (which most scholars would not agree with) for you to "shoehorn" that article into fitting Zeshua's prediction.

But this analysis goes much deeper, and I will now show why these anagrams demonstrate that Zeshua is likely a Muslim who wishes to get you to believe what MANY Muslims have been taught, that namely the entire nation of Israel is based on lies. The fundamental tenet from which this Islamic belief flows is that Muslims believe it was Abraham's son Ishmael that was called by God for Abraham to sacrifice. However, the Jews and the Hebrew Bible clearly tell the story that it was Issac. Issac begat the nation of Israel and Ishmael begat the Arabs, most of whom became Muslims by following their prophet Mohammad. Here is a reference for this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_Abraham

Traditionally, Muslims believe that it was Ishmael rather than Isaac whom Ibrahim was told to sacrifice. In support of this, Muslims note that the text of Genesis, despite specifying Isaac, appears to state that Ibrahim was told to sacrifice his only son ("Take now thy son, thine only son, whom thou lovest, even Isaac" Genesis/Bereshit 22:2) to God. Since Isaac was Ibrahim's second son, it is arguable there was no time at which he would have been Ibrahim's "only son", and that this supports the Muslim belief that there was an original text that must have named Ishmael rather than Isaac as the intended sacrifice.

In fact, this is the SOURCE of what Islam claims is the "lie" upon which Israel is based. It has NOTHING to do with that news story that you try to "make fit". It is a VERY OLD story that Islam clings to as a way to try and discredit Israel as a faith that worships the "One, TRUE God, Allah". The next thing someone might ask is why do Muslims wish to discredit the Jews if they agree they all stem from the same patriarch, Abraham? The answer comes from the life of Mohammad, who was clearly influenced by both Judaism and Christianity. However, because the Jews would NOT accept Mohammad as a profit, he later formulated the Koran so as to try and lay SOLE CLAIM to Abraham as the father of Arabs/Muslims, but NOT THE FATHER OF THE JEWS. Here is a reference for that fact, including a line from the Koran itself:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Muhammad.html

Interestingly, Medina also had a sizeable Jewish community, which had probably moved there after being expelled from Palestine by the Romans. Muhammad respected the Jews, and his early teachings appeared to borrow from Jewish tradition. The Jews began to distance themselves from Muhammad, however, when he became critical of their not recognizing him as a prophet.

Once it was clear the Jews would not accept him, Muhammad began to minimize or eliminate the Jewish influence on his beliefs. For example, he shifted the direction of prayers from Jerusalem to Mecca, made Friday his special day of prayer, and renounced the Jewish dietary laws (except for the prohibition on eating pork). Originally, he said the Arabs were descendants of Abraham through his son Ishmael, but in the Koran Abraham's connection to the Jews is denied, with Muhammad asserting that Abraham is only the patriarch of Islam, not Judaism as well, because he "surrendered himself to Allah."

And here is the precise quote from the Koran wherein Mohammad denies that Abraham is the father of the Jews:

http://www.submission.info/servlet/qtbrowse?pickthall=true&yusufali=true&shakir=true&arabic=true&chapter=3&verseBegin=67&verseEnd=67

Koran 3:67 - Abraham was not a Jew, nor yet a Christian; but he was an upright man who had surrendered (to Allah), and he was not of the idolaters.

And here is another reference that also serves to back up this assertion that Muslims believe the genesis of Israel through Abraham is a lie:

http://lexicorient.com/e.o/abraham.htm

The Koran clearly states that Ibrahim was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but a "God-seeker" (3:60). His status is that of one of the earlier messengers of God, together with Adam, Moses, Jesus and others. According to Muslim theology, the message of Abraham was the very same as Muhammad's, but it would become corrupted by the Jews.

So this brings us all back to Zeshua the hoaxer...and even worse...Zeshua the person who wishes to impress HER beliefs on you about the "lies" upon which Israel is based. Let us review some facts now:

1) First and foremost, NOWHERE have you shown that "Israel Based On Lies" (these words) show up in ANY headlines from 2007-2009, as Zeshua suggests. It is ONLY through your twisted (and questionable) interpretations that you insist this is so. It is not.
2) Furthermore, the solution to another one of your anagrams "Mahmoud Amadinejad" does not have to ONLY come from 2007-2009. He was clearly the president of Iran well before 2007, and he was also stirring up trouble with his verbal rhetoric well before then. In fact, during the time that Zeshua the hoaxer began to hatch her scheme on this forum, there were AMPLE news stories in which Amadinejad's name was cited.
3) Therefore, since you cannot validate that Amadinejad's name ONLY showed up in headlines from 2007-2009, there is no reason to believe that we MUST constrain any of the other anagram solutions to this timeframe. Just because Zeshua tells you something does not mean it must be so.
4) Therefore, it is an equally viable interpretation (and probably more likely, given not many people believe Zeshua was a real TT communicator) that Zeshua simply encoded "Israel Based On Lies" as a means to reflect HER OWN ANTI-SEMITIC BIAS, with the thought that she is most likely a Muslim with a disdain for Israel.
5) This would then say that Zeshua is FULL OF IT in her claim that these are headlines from 2007-2009, but instead they are merely things that were COMMON KNOWLEDGE at the time Zeshua the Hoaxer hatched her scheme to increase Anti-Semitic rhetoric on the web, and whip it into a frenzy as we approach 2012, and what many Muslims view as the end of the world.

So....the "lie" that Israel is based on has NOTHING TO DO with your clumsy and shoehorn interpretation and that news story. Rather, it merely reflects an ANCIENT belief of Muslims (many of whom are Anti-Semitic) that Israel is based on lies, because their prophet Mohammad was not accepted by the Jews as a prophet, and so he settled that score by telling his subjects that Israel was based on a lie.... that Abraham was NOT the father of their religion, but rather ONLY the father of Islam!

As I said, you will likely not agree. But I have laid out the history as we know it of these religions, and WHY there is strife between Islam and Israel. THAT is the source of the "lie" and it has NOTHING to do with Zeshua the hoaxer, other than that she likely believes it because she is likely a Muslim. Whether you will admit your interpretation is not a good fit is not an issue for me. Rather, the purpose of this reply was to show how hapless your "shoehorn" interpretation is, and to show a MUCH MORE VIABLE interpretation of that anagram solution as simply encoding something that has been known and believed by many Muslims for GENERATIONS!

RMT
 
Even today, respected economic experts assure us we are not in a recession now, nor are we about to go into one : http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080311/ap_on_bi_ge/economic_forecast_4

Zeshua, on the other hand, predicted in 2005 that we were about to experience a “massive financial meltdown” with dire consequences for the US Dollar. In 2005 she also predicted that the dollar would grow weak between 2007 - 2011, and in 2007 she predicted that “economic collapse” would arrive circa 2007 - 2009. The dollar has certainly weakened dramatically over the last year, unlike anything I recall seeing before. And the nation is arguing quite passionately with itself over whether or not we are in a recession now. Gasoline is almost $4.00 a gallon, an almost inconceivable price by 2005 standards, but in 2005 Zeshua predicted we would see such numbers soon, and even predicted $5.00 gasoline. Coincidence, says you.

She also seems to have predicted the day that Pope John Paul II would die. Coincidence, says you.

She also predicted in April 2005 that our next crisis would come from the sky, and then Katrina hit New Orleans. Coincidence, says you.

She even predicted the correct number of solutions to Scott’s puzzle back in 2005. Coincidence, says you.

She also seems to have predicted that we would see a day when secrets would be “safe from no eye”, and then Wikileaks arrived. Coincidence, says you. (Some have even gone so far as to argue that she must be one of the original Chinese dissidents who designed Wikileaks and that’s why she knew about it in advance, because even that stretch is easier to accept than her explanation. Or her biggest prediction. Others have argued that Zeshua must be a family friend of Sue’s because that’s the only way Zeshua could have possibly known about the terrible weekend Zeshua correctly predicted for Sue a year or so back, when a sudden death occurred in her family. No, I don’t know if Sue has any Chinese dissidents as family friends. I doubt it, though.)

In Old Testament times, the prophets of Israel were always going around making these terrible, dire predictions, and getting themselves “run out of town on a rail” because of them. The locals would bring in their own seers who would unite together and issue opposing predictions saying that everything was gonna be perfectly okay, and since everyone was scared by the awful predictions of Israel’s prophets, they all ganged up and fought against those nasty predictions, and the prophets who made them. Human nature doesn’t change.

Zeshua claims that we are on the cusp of the single worst disaster in all of human history, in which billions of people will die, and that it’s all gonna happen in just the next few years. That’s pretty scary stuff, and the more viable her predictions “feel”, the more that people will instinctively strain to refute or dismiss them.

Myself included.

- Peter
 
Peter,

I see you have ignored my logical explication of why your linking of Zeshua's "coded prediction" to the Moses was High article is tenuous, and why it falls apart. I take that to mean you cannot refute my argument, and that you agree that the "lie" that Israel is based upon has been known for ages...and the primary source of angst between Muslims and Jews?

She also seems to have predicted the day that Pope John Paul II would die. Coincidence, says you.

No, this is you shoe-horning one date into another. We have been thru this before over and over, and you never "get it". The post you are referring to from Zeshua was NOT on the same day the pope died. You just simply refuse to accept that, and come up with lame excuses "well it WAS that day somewhere in the world...like Australia."

She also predicted in April 2005 that our next crisis would come from the sky, and then Katrina hit New Orleans. Coincidence, says you.

We've been thru this one before too. This is more of your shoehorning to make it fit. Katrina came from the SEA, NOT THE SKY. Hurricanes lose power when they depart the ocean. Moreover, the damage that paralyzed New Orleans was a result of the levies breaking and water flooding. That was from the sea level rising...again, sea NOT sky.

She even predicted the correct number of solutions to Scott’s puzzle back in 2005. Coincidence, says you.

More "private" conversations with Zeshua that no one else can verify???

She also seems to have predicted that we would see a day when secrets would be “safe from no eye”, and then Wikileaks arrived. Coincidence, says you.

Shoehorn, says I.

Zeshua claims that we are on the cusp of the single worst disaster in all of human history, in which billions of people will die, and that it’s all gonna happen in just the next few years. That’s pretty scary stuff, and the more viable her predictions “feel”, the more that people will instinctively strain to refute or dismiss them.

Myself included.

Oh come on now! That is so untrue it makes one sick. You are Zeshua's single biggest proponent. You are the one who is DOING the shoe-horning! You attempt to link the Moses Was High story to Zeshua's "prediction" was the most pathetic...as I have shown since it is not logically coherent, and there is a better explanation which is that Zesh the Hoaxer simply encoded something already at the forefront of Muslim/Jewish religious confrontations.

RMT
 
look peter, i know you just wanna believe zeshua more than anything, but the fact is, time travelers dont have to fake pictures from the future...

"time tunnelers" shouldnt have an isp...

coincidence, says you...
 
Well I will play devil's advocate. Let's just pretend for this illustration Peter, that Zeshua is real. That her predictions are in fact, because she is in the future, posting back to the past.

That said, you claim that she has predicted such a tremendous event that essentially wipes out much of the population. A billion people-that's roughly the countries of India or China-gone. Both have a bit over 1 billion in their population. The US has a population of about 330 million. Less than 1/2 that.
It is speculated the World population by 2011 will be at 13 billion....its a bit over 6 bil now, and in 94, was only at 5.6 billion.

So my point is, what's a billion people in a world of 13? We are gaining more people than we are losing. Perhaps this is neccesary to sustain life on this planet. Maybe the loss of a billion people would be vital to the survival of 13 billion more. Most important-nothing you can do about it. So whether Zeshua is right or wrong, who cares? Live your life as if its the last day anyway. If you want to plan for survival in an apocolyptic world, go ahead. Seems when people are prepared for things they don't happen. Its smart just to do in case of weather disasters, fires, or job loss. But even if she's right-the implication here should not be to prove Zeshua's predictive abilities and what that means for the world-but proving whether one can actually post to the past from the future.

Im far more interested in THAT being proven, than in her cryptic predictions being true.


PS Please do not say that by proving Zeshua's predictive ablities that then proves that she is a time tunneler from the future. It might prove she's a psychic, a seer, an RV'er but it doesn't prove that she is a time traveler.

Can someone encapsulate for me the mechanisms and scientific explanation for zeshua's ablities to post in the past? In a nutshell please. Unfortunatly I don't have the time to go thru all the posts to find out for myself, but I saw how JT was hammered about the "specs" of time travel, wonder if Zeshua was. Course you'd need an IT expert over a physicist.....right?
 
Please do not say that by proving Zeshua's predictive ablities that then proves that she is a time tunneler from the future. It might prove she's a psychic, a seer, an RV'er but it doesn't prove that she is a time traveler.

Of course not. There is no need to.

Once you conclude that her predictions are accurate, her methodology becomes irrelevant. Furthermore, we will never be able to know for sure if her claims about her methodology are true; all we can ever know for sure is whether or not her predictions come true.

Myself, I'm not even particularly interested in time travel per se. My predominant interest has always been in prediction, and that's what drew me in to these discussions, and also why you don't see me participating much in the more technical discussions of time travel, because I see them as irrelevant.

Her predictions continue to come true. She predicted :

"Massive Financial meltdown that puts the Euro as the preferred Global Currency. Repercussions abound to the almighty US Dollar", and "Economic Collapse" between 2007 - 2009, and $4 - $5 gasoline.

In today's news, we read things like :

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U.S. faces severe recession: NBER's Feldstein

By Ros KrasnyFri Mar 14, 10:55 AM ET

The United States is in a recession that could be "substantially more severe" than recent ones, National Bureau of Economic Research President Martin Feldstein said on Friday.

"The situation is very bad, the situation is getting worse, and the risks are that it could get very bad," Feldstein said in a speech at the Futures Industry Association meeting in Boca Raton, Florida.

"There's no doubt that this year and next year are going to be very difficult years."

NBER is a private sector group that is considered the arbiter of U.S. business cycles. Feldstein is also a Harvard economics professor and former economic advisor to President Ronald Reagan.

Answering questions from the audience, Feldstein said the downturn could be the worst in the United States since World War Two.

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High wheat prices raise grocery costs

By BETSY BLANEY, Associated Press WriterSat Mar 15, 4:46 AM ET

If you think the cost of gassing up your car is outrageous, wait until you need to restock your pantry.

The price of wheat has more than tripled during the past 10 months, making Americans' daily bread — and bagels and pizza and pasta — feel a little like luxury items. And baked goods aren't the only ones getting more expensive: Experts expect some 80 percent of grocery prices will spike, too, and could remain steep for years because wheat and other grains are used to feed cattle, poultry and dairy cows.

"It's going to affect everything ... impact on every section of the grocery store," said Michael Bittel, senior vice president of King Arthur Flour Co. in Norwich, Vt.

Consumers such as Maria Cardena feel trapped by the prices. She said the bread she buys has jumped from 69 cents a loaf to $1.09 in recent weeks.

"You have to buy it," said the 29-year-old mother from Lubbock, Texas. "You can't go without it. Everything has gone up."

The wheat market has been pushed higher by a combination of agricultural, financial and energy issues.

Poor wheat harvests in Australia and parts of Europe and the U.S. have caused China and other Asian countries to buy up more American crops, which are especially attractive because of the weak U.S. dollar.

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Dollar falls below 99 yen as Bear Stearns weighs

By Steven C. JohnsonFri Mar 14, 4:41 PM ET

The dollar fell below 99 yen and hit a record low against the euro after Bear Stearns said a worsening cash position forced the Wall Street firm to secure emergency financing.

News that the New York Federal Reserve and J.P. Morgan Chase were to provide funds for the fifth-largest U.S. investment bank signaled more credit turmoil to come and added to investor fears that the economy is in for a long recession.

"People are starting to talk about whether this is a signal of a systematic problem in the U.S. banking sector, and that's why we're seeing selling of dollar across the board," said Greg Salvaggio, currency trader at Tempus Consulting in Washington.

The question on traders' minds now, said Omer Esiner, a market strategist at Ruesch International in Washington, is "which of the other big firms out there need similar funding."

The dollar plunged to 98.91 yen , its lowest level in 12-1/2 years, before edging back to 99.310 yen, down 1.1 percent. It was down nearly 11 percent against the yen so far in 2008.

The euro hit $1.5688 , an all-time high.

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Weak dollar costs U.S. economy its world No. 1 spot

Fri Mar 14, 11:10 AM ET

The U.S. economy lost the title of "world's biggest" to the euro zone this week as the value of the dollar slumped in currency markets.

Taking the gross domestic product of both economies in 2007, the combined GDP of the 15 countries which use the euro overtook that of the United States when the European currency surged to a record high of more than $1.56 per euro.

"The curious outcome of breaching this latest milestone is that the size of the euro zone's annual output has now exceeded that of the U.S.," the economics department of Goldman Sachs, the Wall Street investment bank, said in a note to clients.

Taking official estimates of 2007 GDP -- $13,843,800 billion for the United States and 8,847,889.1 billion euros for the euro zone -- the economy of the latter passed the United States once converted into dollars, shortly after the euro topped $1.56.

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Zeshua predicted all this three years ago, when the whole world was in love with the dollar, and Americans were tripping over each other to buy ever bigger cars and houses. She even predicted the exact year the bottom fell out.

- Peter
 
Well, part of it should be about time travel, because other people also have been predicting the same thing - such as Steven Quayle and his website, and others also for a long time.

Nothing new about Dr. Cramer and his experiment going on over the winter months. Nothing new at his website about tranactional whatever it is.

http://faculty.washington.edu/jcramer/cramer.html

http://www.npl.washington.edu/AV/

which is actually this:

http://www.analogsf.com/0612/altview.shtml

Nope, just pre-warp in MOO3 (Master of Orion 3)( funny, yes) and migrating to another planet any which way it can be done (by freighter from a spacealien if one is ever met) and a new attractive color for the MOO3 UI interface ("Just say 'MOO'")
http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=285
Chocolate-dip Mod MOO!
(Bosenberry and Apricot):
http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10196639#post10196639 (by Pedxing)
and
Dawn-colored MOO3 UI Interface:
http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=636427
(along with the half-distanced weapons - ? - don't know if that really will be used though)
(
http://dimensionalcitizen.tripod.com/MOO3Dawn1.html
http://dimensionalcitizen.tripod.com/MOO3Dawn2.html
http://dimensionalcitizen.tripod.com/MOO3Dawn3.html
http://dimensionalcitizen.tripod.com/MOO3Dawn4.html
http://dimensionalcitizen.tripod.com/MOO3Dawn5.html
http://dimensionalcitizen.tripod.com/MOO3Dawn6.html
)

But in the real world and not the virtual mass world of MOO3
A computer dianogising better than a human doctor does with some kind of brain-type problems, making the computer program experiment coming out more correct than a human doctor could in the experiment.
(don't have a link to that though but it was somewhere on the web)

Nope, nothing but putting up with it all.

And some other people thinking again that they are more important in this State than what they are considered to be from their Senator and again them not really obeying the rules of this State, but happening to be picking on me, while they again tend to I guess get aggressive and out-of-sorts which I am so tired of, that they are bound to (and have in a sense) started what I would surmise as a CW in which they should be in jail. So I will not tolerate this anymore, and if anyone in this Country thinks they give "Orders" then they better be putting their own selfs in jail instead of focusing their evil on someone like me. Enough is enough, and in this town, not everyone thinks that they also have to get along with what they do. If I were Democrats I would not press the issues about what they do either, along with the one person on TV on the News that came up with the Iraqi defectors that they now think lied to lead us into this war with Iraq in the first place. I forget his name, but there he was on the TV News, and I don't think he should be smiling, but the News stating that he is going to be in politics again, just don't seem quite right, along with Congress giving theirselves a $4000/year raise and some of them again doing what they are doing.
No, the budget should be balanced now, not by 2012, because that is that, and they can end what they are doing also along with Bush's speech given lately.
B.S.!
 
We will assume as some Churches already do, to grow our own food, because the food supply is not good anyway, but safe, but no good for your health in the long run, unless you like sugar-frosted wheat puffs (which probably will go up in price like bread) or ever eat corn again, since ethanol gives you lower gas mileage while you pay more at the pumps, and just walk around instead of putting up with any of it.
Play the same computer games for the next 5 years like the 2-CD version of MOO3 or Civilization IV both of which can be modded and have been and still played by some and buy converter boxes for TV because who wanted to watch the News anyway and see the people on that.

And since Doctors charge so much, the food will help to eliminate these later diseases caused mainly by this processed food which ain't worth anything, and since it is all overboard along with the Government, they can talk to theirselves along with some ex-veterans who wish to act like they do and who initially attacked civilians years ago (around 40 years) and leave them to consider their own insanity of it all.

I am sure the Protestants and the Catholics are not doing that (growing own food) so they can go along with Isalm and whateverelse (Judism) back to wherever they think that they are going in the end. In this virtual reality, I guess they do not feel pain, but then I just consider them now to be untruthful with anything they end up relating to.

Nothing new here, except other people doing what is termed "Necessity"!
A delusional mind is surely a thing to waste!
 
THE Big Question

Hey TimeNot... I've got a question for you. Real important one. Hoping you can answer with as much detail as you have. Here goes:

Does soaking your toes in Listerine really work as a cure for toenail fungus?

I knew you would know. Thanks in advance.
RMT
 
Re: THE Big Question

Ray said":
Does soaking your toes in Listerine really work as a cure for toenail fungus?
it's sound like a foot fetichist dream.... LOL!!!

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Best Regards
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you claim that she has predicted such a tremendous event that essentially wipes out much of the population. A billion people-that's roughly the countries of India or China-gone. Both have a bit over 1 billion in their population. The US has a population of about 330 million. Less than 1/2 that. It is speculated the World population by 2011 will be at 13 billion....its a bit over 6 bil now, and in 94, was only at 5.6 billion.

According to Wikipedia, the estimated world population in 2015 will be just 7.2 billion, not your 13 billion. Nonetheless, even that speculation was probably based on an assumption that world conditions would remain fairly stable between now and 2015. I no longer expect that to be the case, and the greater social disruption and unrest that occurs between now and then, the less population growth we can expect.

So my point is, what's a billion people in a world of 13?
Zeshua said "billions". Plural. You don't think it would be wrong to wipe out two billion out of 13? That's 15% of the world population, far far less than Hitler and Stalin accomplished together.

But my guess is that Zeshua's two or more billions will be removed from a world population that is still less than 7 billion altogether, which means that she is talking about at least a 28% reduction, and possibly as much as Titor's 50% reduction.

Anyway, I am appalled and chilled to my bones to see you post so coldly and callously in a public forum that you wouldn't particularly mind it if a billion people around the world happened to be put to death in the next few years. If you weren't hiding behind the mask of your false internet name, and your family, friends, neighbors, and co-workers knew that you felt this way, I'd expect that they might look at you quite differently, and would probably stop inviting you over for social events or let their kids play at your house.

- Peter
 
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