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jmpet, would you care to explain, then, how any country's economy could "do slightly better for the next 2 years, then better the next four, then very good the next three, then okay from then on" at the same time that "A depression ...hit(s) this country" ??

I'm all ears.

- Peter
 
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Titorian,

The stock market is regulated by the confidence of the people in American enterprise. When the stock market is down, people invest in federal securities, when it's up, people buy stocks.

Say what? Buy on a high and sell on a low? Then stop your losses at a low by investing in fixed income federal notes, wait for another high, dump the fixed income notes and jump back into securities? That strategy generally drives the market? And here I was thinking that you jump in when the market is low, ride the market up, lock in profit with Stop Loss Orders, get out on a high, drop your money into fixed income debentures on the way down and jump back in on the upside of the recovering low. Hmmm...

Markets are only loosely connected to the over all health of the economy?
 
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Titorian,

What country are you from? I noticed you used the words: "personal effects" instead of personal items.
 
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Friend

I simply have one small problem with your story, which in reality is a carefully improvised hoax.

You mention that if your people could not take you back in time, you have to wait for an entire day for the "batteries" to recharge. Please tell us more about your power sources for said temporal contraption.

And one more thing. How come they are expecting you whenever you travel back in time. If you are in an underground facility, and you whisk yourself back in time, you end up pretty stiff in soil and very well underground. A horrifying way to die, I guess. First a bloody turbulent coaster, then crushed by the surrounding land. Ouch!!

Until later becomes now.

PD Some stories are entertaining, some are somewhat ludicrous but worthwhile while perusing through the net, but like this one, some are truly not devised properly.
 
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>would you care to explain, then, how any country's economy could "do slightly better for the next 2 years, then better the next four, then very good the next three, then okay from then on" at the same time that "A depression ...hit(s) this country" ??<

That quote refers to this other quote on the same board written on 12/22/06:
>>Clinton is the President in 2008 for one term followed by Giuliani, who is replaced by Spencer from 2015-2024. Apart from that I cannot predict without affecting the outcome- although it has already happened, where I am now it is uncertain.<<

In other words,
Bush 2006-2008 "slightly better for the next 2 years"
Clinton 2008-2012 "better the next four"
Giuliani 2012-2015 "very good the next three"
Spencer 2015-2024 "okay from then on"
Get it?

As far as the depression goes, it's a good thing. We won't have the money to keep up an endless war, big business won't have the billions to bilk from the people anymore... with a depression, alternatives become realities. With a depression, every dollar the government spends goes to keeping the ship afloat. And when the depression ends, we do things differently and we call this "the future".

>>Say what? Buy on a high and sell on a low? Then stop your losses at a low by investing in fixed income federal notes, wait for another high, dump the fixed income notes and jump back into securities?<<

I believe the original quote was "When the stock market is down, people invest in federal securities, when it's up, people buy stocks." In other words, when there's no money to be made in stocks, people don't invest in stocks and vice-versa. Why do people put their life's savings into stocks- to make 10%? Sorry I worded it poorly.

>>Markets are only loosely connected to the over all health of the economy?<<

They're not?

>>What country are you from? I noticed you used the words: "personal effects" instead of personal items.<<

I am an American.

>>I simply have one small problem with your story, which in reality is a carefully improvised hoax.<<

And you had no problem with Jimmy Earth's carefully improvised hoax?

>>You mention that if your people could not take you back in time, you have to wait for an entire day for the "batteries" to recharge. Please tell us more about your power sources for said temporal contraption.<<

"The batteries" are the power supply backup batteries in the co-op communities, not the time machine. When a jump is scheduled, the communities revert to battery backup and the raw windmill power fuels the time machine. If the jump is unsuccessful, they need to wait a day for the communities' batteries to recharge. The energy for the time machine comes from the co-op communities at a profit to them- this is how Branson became a big business utility company.

>>And one more thing. How come they are expecting you whenever you travel back in time.<<

I assume they email the schedule ahead of time- I never got into all the details. I was the customer, they were expecting "a passenger", not "me". Email to the past was discovered decades before time travel. Do you ask the pilot if the gas tank is full before the plane takes off?

>>If you are in an underground facility, and you whisk yourself back in time, you end up pretty stiff in soil and very well underground. A horrifying way to die, I guess. First a bloody turbulent coaster, then crushed by the surrounding land. Ouch!!<<

If they email blueprints back and they say they built one and they really didn't then nothing would happen- they wouldn't start recieving travelers from thin air and if you tried traveling to there, it simply wouldn't work. You land where it's most logical to land... you're cheating the universe. The key is deceleration... "spin down". This is where decorporealization comes into play- if you're spun down too much, there won't be ANY logical place for the universe to deposit you- then you simply stop existing.

>>Some stories are entertaining, some are somewhat ludicrous but worthwhile while perusing through the net, but like this one, some are truly not devised properly.<<

Yeah I know- time travelers are supposed to fit a mold based on fake time traveler stories and public opinion of a technology that does not yet exist, which means that when a real time traveler comes through, no one will believe him because he's not John Connor and he's not here to prevent another 9/11 by posting on a time traveling forum.

>>British tycoon Sir Richard Branson today announced a $US25 million ($A32 million) prize for the scientist who comes up with a way of extracting greenhouse gases from the atmosphere.<<

Branson is looking for a magic bullet. The magic bullet is fourfold:
1. Co-op communities that generate their own green energy.
2. Cars don't put out more greenhouse gases.
3. Forests.
4. Megacarbons.
What do all of these have in common? They all consume carbon. The more "C" that is either trapped or not used, the more "O2" there is; the less "CO2" there will be overall. The answer is fight in front of everyone's faces, the problem today is that you can't get rich by building forests and rainforests- people would rather make 10% on stocks than fix the planet.

I noticed the Time Traveling Forum is down. Can anyone help me on this? Is it down for maitenence? That site's supposed to be up for at least three more years and from my perspective this is a temporal violation which I find very troubling.
 
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Titorian,

"I noticed the Time Traveling Forum is down. Can anyone help me on this? Is it down for maitenence? That site's supposed to be up for at least three more years and from my perspective this is a temporal violation which I find very troubling."


<font color="blue"> You mean the time travel portal? I was just there to check. it is still there. Sometimes sites go down for maintenance. [/COLOR]
 
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"As far as the depression goes, it's a good thing. We won't have the money to keep up an endless war, big business won't have the billions to bilk from the people anymore... with a depression, alternatives become realities. With a depression, every dollar the government spends goes to keeping the ship afloat. And when the depression ends, we do things differently and we call this "the future"."
"Did you know a 79 cent bag of dried beans can feed ten people?"


<font color="blue"> A future eating bags of 79 cent beans? wow.....Sounds like it is only going to be a good thing for the rich. Which YOU will be in the future. The rest of us better start liking beans?
wow that IS depressing. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/cry.gif

Should I start now looking for bean recipes? fried beans.....baked beans....creme of beans..
bean soup.....bean-ana bread... [/COLOR]
 
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I still don't understand how the economy can be said to be doing "well" during an economic depression. How is this not a contradiction in terms?

The Time Traveling Forum doesn't exist anymore. It changed names to Paranormalis, and then changed names to The Paranormal Network (http://www.paranormalnetwork.net/), and then it went offline altogether. It is currently "parked" at Godaddy.com due to some sort of legal or financial troubles, if I understand correctly.

Titorian, have you made a single prediction that has come true yet?

You say that email thru time was discovered long before anyone figured out how to do physical time travel. That jives with what Zeshua says, which is in part why I continue to find your story interesting. Zeshua claims to have been one of the first to accomplish this feat, emailing our time from 2026. Who does your history say was the first to accomplish email time travel? Zeshua was extremely concerned about the danger of altering the past via email TT to the point that her own present, and possibly even her own life, could be altered or even wiped out of existence altogether. Was this a concern in your history? How did folks work around that problem?

- Peter
 
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<font color="blue"> Titorian, I took some of your quotes from the other site because I had questions about them. [/COLOR]



"When science links nuclear testing to cancer, the world pretty much realizes why we're all so sick."

<font color="blue">Do you think your cancer was caused by this as well? [/COLOR]


"As far as alternate timelines etc... as I said from the outset it's a complicated concept. Infinite multiple worlds may really exist, but there is only one reality. Imagine two worldlines five seconds in the future- in one of them you get up and leave the room. In the other, you stay in your chair. A thousand years down the line there will be two radically different universes. Well- you staying or going is not enough energy to create a new reality. If it was, then there would be a Googol new universes created every Planck Unit and even if this is true, there would still be only one tangable reality."

<font color="blue"> I still don't get how you can be sure of only ONE tangible reality.??
How can you even be sure that this one is tangible? What if it is just the electrical signals and waves that go through your brain that makes it seem so?
If the other universes are not tangible...what are they? ghost worlds?[/COLOR]



"I kind of agree with that point. A whole new branch of science will open up in the next few years which will bring a new way of thinking about the world around us. People today say "How could the universe be this beautiful without some sort of Creator in the mix?" In the future, people will say "Why would the Creator make such a beautiful universe and make it impossible for us to visit most of it?" The universe is a lot smaller than you think."

<font color="blue"> Can you explain what "the universe is a lot smaller than you think" means?
I have some ideas but want to know if they are the same as yours.[/COLOR]

"The first successful time travel experiment was when they had to turn off the particle accelerator because of a breach and everything disappeared when the machine stopped. About a year later and on a hunch, they predicted they would be unable to carry out an experiment to send a static shock "back in time" because a static shock would ruin the experiment and they were right- that was when the million time traveling websites popped up and this site went down."
"Another breakthrough was sending laser signals back in time to be recieved as radio signals- static, from there the concept of time travel became mainstream."

<font color="blue"> Can you explain this further? [/COLOR]


"Kaku wrote a book about C=ME2, or "first person energy" which opened a whole door to a way to simply side-step the laws of physics, from there the practicality of tangable time travel began. That was when "the billionaires club" all started building their own time machines- The Branson Foundation, through trial and error, found a ratio between acceleration and magnetism which allowed time travel. Again in brief- two balls, you're in the outer ball. Two magnetic balls- one anchored, both mutually attracted. You start the centrifuge and acceleration starts pulling the outer ball away while the magnetism holds it. At the correct harmony, you "spin off" and slow down to reappear in a different, tangable place- an earlier time. It's simply easier for the universe to pop you back into an earlier, equal point in time then create a second God: you in your own universe."
"Of course for it to work, you need to actually have an earlier, equal time. It does not have to be in the same place, but it must physically exist and have the right dimensions. If the earlier "landing base" does not, then reality either kicks you back to your point of origin or simply decorporalizes you and you cease to exist. I made sure other people went through successfully before me."
"The outer ball (you) gets charged up, traverses time and as it winds down, reality all around you comes into focus. When it stops, they open it and I get out- the ball is just a metal ball made of 2006 materials. I don't know what they do with the balls- in 2044 they're easy to make, here it's valuable scrap metal or corporate art. (And to clarify again) they first send information back in time, then blueprints and schematics, then they test it. You can send one back to 0ad provided you could contact 0ad and convince someone to build one. The landing pad is all concrete and metal, it's not that hard to construct."

<font color="blue">I just thought this was very interesting. [/COLOR]


"The blueberries on Mars are a form of protolife that never took hold; we still have not been to Titan or Europa but we sent more probes to Pluto which detected organic life locked in the ice. Saturn is an "inside out planet" (but you know that already). Life landed on Earth as DNA and sank to the bottom of the ocean where it found safe haven near hydrothermal vents. As life evolved, it spaced out and eventually found dry land. And when I left 2044, SETI was experimenting with doppler radio because they concluded by then that life had to be out there somewhere, we just weren't listening correctly. Many more wonderful advances in every area occurs between now and 2044"
"DNA is chemical in nature, not organic. DNA is not alive but has the capacity to make life. The blueberries on Mars can be classified as "fossils" in this regard- they're balls of calcium with bits of silicates in the center- the silicates unicode information that can be copied and the calcium serves as a proto exoskeleton. Gravity and pressure dictate "unit size" and the rest is differentiation."
"At one point millions of years ago (or whenever a meteor hits Mars), these blueberries come to live- making more blueberries- more balls of calcium with silicon in the middle. Perhaps one day those blueberries will inadvertently roll into a puddle of water then "life" as we know it takes over- evolution. Perhaps after 100 million years of underwater blueberries, something will walk out of it on its own legs...life."
"With all that said, life is potentially everywhere- the universe is full of aliens. Have we met any aliens yet? Not in the way you would consider it- no six-armed green men from Andromeda but they're out there somewhere. Astronomers were talking in 2044 about the possibility that radio communications are abundant throughout the universe, we just need to properly "tune into it" which is partly the right frequency and partly the right oscillation. Since everything distorts in the universe, radio signals become morse code over great distances. By their estimation, by 2050 we will be able to turn a radio on and hear the aliens."

<font color="blue"> I thought this was interesting also. [/COLOR]

"The recieving station is here now. It was built with blueprints that were sent back in time instructing them to build one- "if you build it, he will come" and it's little more than concrete and metal. It took a good 30 years for time travel to develop to where it could send people back- in the beginning they could only send information, eventually emails. So they'd email the blueprints back to themselves, build it, then the time travelers would start to pop through."

<font color="blue">So is this how the station first got built. It was from sending an email back in time? But what Machine received the emails? Who received them? [/COLOR]




"Isn't it funny that we're in the Presidential Election mode yet no credible candidate has stood up yet? Truth is no one wants to inherit this mess that Bush is leaving behind: a war that will never end, a deficit that will never go away and the public united against the government- who would want to inherit this mess to clean up? Clinton does not want to run in this election but the Democrats will force her to. She'll run a late, massive campaign and sweep the polls. She won't get 90% of the stuff she wants to done with her Presidency, but she'll set us in the right direction and step one is a withdrawl from Iraq and the establishment of a "security net" over Iraq to send bombs, not soldiers, to combat terrorism."

<font color="blue"> So you predict Hilary Clinton wins the next presidency... [/COLOR]

"First off, with the general acceptance and practicality of alternate energy sources, the world will slowly put less and less CO2 in the air. There are dozens of global projects to deal with warming- the largest of them all is a plan to somehow put an atmosphere in the moon. I know it sounds impossible- the moon is as big as all the land on Earth- but if the moon had an atmosphere, it would affect the Earth's seas less which would slowly start freezing the icecaps again... less of the moon's energy would reach the Earth. It's a permanent solution to global warming but it's almost impossible to pull off and would cost trillions of dollars, but then again it would double the livable space in this area of the solar system. People go to the moon in 2044 just as people buy tickets to space today and if it had an atmosphere, millions would move to the moon."

<font color="blue"> It sounds like you are still fighting global warming in the future.
I have doubts about giving the moon an atmosphere. An interesting thought I guess. [/COLOR]

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<font color="blue"> Do you have the option of going back to 2044 if you decided you made a mistake and didn't want to live here anymore?

Do you have forward time traveling as well?

Does the military or government ever use time travel for their own purposes?

What is something that would disqualify you from being a time traveler even if you had the money to do it?

Would decorporalization be a just punishment for criminals?

Where do you see time traveling going in the next 30 years from 2044?

Is there anything you are not sure of in the time travel theories yet that your 2044 scientists are still wondering about?


Do you have any children or family in 2044 that you left behind? How did they feel about you leaving? Don't you miss anyone from your time? Are you able to send them emails or something
from here to let them know you are ok?
[/COLOR]
 
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I guess some people want to be guilded by your words, but some scientists think that since every planet in the Solar System is going through a type of Global Warming, and records upon looking at the sediment below the icebergs indicate that the Earth has been through these cycles before during the last 800,000 years, I guess you are stating that those scientists must be wrong because they have proof!
 
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Titorian-

Quantum Computer

So is this the computer that is measured in "variables" and not calculations per second?

I'm buying stock in this company, I don't care what you say Titorian.
 
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<font color="blue"> [/COLOR] Hey Titorian, thanks for the responses to my questions. I have some things that I'de like to say in regards to your answers so I have posted * to differentiate my comments.

&gt;&gt;So the practise of cryonics is at least still happening then?&lt;&lt;

Cryonics is the same in 2044 as it is today- popsicle people. You do know you're nothing more than a body and a brain and "you" are electrical signals that dissipate when you die, right? The best way to preserve "you" is to fill a ziplock bag with your hair, fingernails, skin and a used Band Aid and put it in a safe- the younger the better.

*The practise of cryonics has changed only slightly since it's beginnings in 1962, but it HAS changed. For example, today we use advanced cryoprotectants to protect from cellular freezing damage, as well as vitrification techniques which have allowed for even better preservation of basic structure. In fact just recently, there was yet another fairly big breakthrough that will allow for an even better preserved state, and reasonable evidence to show that the procedure is not without merit and that revival may in fact be possible one day. My point here is that I find it hard to believe that over the next 35-40 years there are no more advances in the science of cryobiology/cryogenics. I suspect that you do not have a real understanding of cryonics because your analogy that people in cryostasis are simply 'popsicle people' is not a scientifically fair/valid assessment of the science. There is a complex science behind the whole procedure. With regards to your idea that consciousness is simply electrical in nature, I agree somewhat, but you are not rightly addressing the entire nature of the animal in question. Human (or animal) consciousness is more than just electrical, the physical nature of longterm memory and the play between the electrical and physical give rise to consciousness. In fact the electrical aspect is likely only responsible for short term memory and immediate consciousness. Most of who you are (experience/memory) is likely stored physically in your brain structure. The electrical aspect allows for interaction among neurons but doesn't have any substance as regards your (personal)identity critical structure. The electrical part may be as easy to start up again as a simple jolt of electricity. With regards to your last point, are you suggesting cloning? If so I do not see what you're getting at.

&gt;&gt;What about nanotechnology, how far has that come by 2044?&lt;&lt;

They have nanites- what they do with them I don't really know. But I know there's huge advances in molecular biology. As to both questions, people are more philisophical in 2044 then they are today- we don't worry about ourselves as much as you do today. I think it's partly because it's the future so things are more convenient and partly because this is the "double otts" where you're experiencing "the decade of terrorism" firsthand... this is just a passing phase like McCarthyism or lynching blacks for being black- they were all the right thing to do at the right time. No insult, but in a decade, you'll see the error in your ways but life goes on. Have I told you folks about the origin of life? I think I already did on TTF- that explains my perspective best.

*I think you misunderstood the point of my question regarding nanotech. It is nanotechnology that will make revival possible for people in cryostasis if at all. What do these nanites, that you speak of, do? I was curious how far the science had gone in general. Considering what we can do today, I would imagine that by 2044 nanotech would be ALOT more advanced. Your answer and attitude toward nanotechnology is strange considering it will impact literally every science and aspect of life for people, and will probably even play a role in time travel should it ever prove possible. Also you seem to be associating the cryonicist's attitude with one of selfishness, which I can assure you is not the case for most, if not all. I do not see the point of your response in regards to my question.

&gt;&gt;Also can we assume that the results of Gravity Probe-B will confirm Einstein's theory or will physics be turned on it's head?&lt;&lt;

I really don't know. I could google it and take an educated guess, but my guess is as good as yours. E=MC2 was a fact on July 16, 1945.

*Nuclear weapons may work but they do not necessarily validate e=mc2. For example, Newtonian physics works for the most part, but it is incomplete.

&gt;&gt;You mentioned that you have recieved weird spam (email)&lt;&lt;

Most of them are emails full of random words- thousands of them and it makes no sense. I just thought it was some autobot troll, I just delete them but it's weird because I have not given out my email- maybe my ISP is doing it. My computer's fan (I think) is running a lot- anyone??

*This is just useless spam, I recieve these myself, I thought you meant 'real' legitimate email messages.

&gt;&gt;does the technology exist today to build a working time machine?&lt;&lt;

I gave this one a lot of thought and well- yes and no. Does the technology exist to build a cell phone in the year 1500? It does, and I'm sure Dr. Emmitt Brown could make one in that time, but not really. Time travel took three decades to patent, I wouldn't even know where to begin. If you went back to 1974, could you invent a cell phone?

The time machine also has a huge energy requirement- each community has a built-in 24 hour battery backup. When the time machine is on, most of the south is on battery (or utility) power.

*I completely understand what you mean here. Aside from the enormous amount of power needed, there is a system involved, it's not just a simple device. For example, even if I could construct a cell phone in 1974, it would be useless without a mass cellular sender-reciever system and people to talk to (with other cell phones). Curious, why did you say 1974, I thought the modern cell phone was invented in 1973?

&gt;&gt;Also Titorian, you mention about not being able to interact with your past self, but what about interacting with friends or family in the past?&lt;&lt;

I also gave this a lot of thought as to how to properly explain it. Here goes. The further back in time you go, the more causal your being there will become. If you time travelled back 100,000 years, your sneezing on someone there will have eradicated the entire Binx race (bless you). If you went back and killed Jesus or Mohammed (PBUH), several billion people today would cease to exist. The same applies with indirect interaction. This is math in 2044- it's "how directly relevant is this to me?"

*No comment here as I get your point and I agree in theory.

Your comments and answers to people's questions are very interesting and entertaining.


I just have a quick comment for that JimmyEarth guy, the families of cryonicists do not pay anything.

Also, PAMELA, you never addressed one of my earlier posts to you.

Thanks again Titorian for your time (no pun intended).

<font color="blue"> [/COLOR]
 
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"Also, PAMELA, you never addressed one of my earlier posts to you."

I went back and looked and all I saw was your posting you made about altervues. Did I miss something else? About the altervues I really didn't have anything more to say about it.
It happened to me long time ago. I posted about it and there was nothing else to really say about it. Its not really something you can really prove to anyone anyway.



And where is Titorian? On vacation AGAIN!??? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif


Can someone please tell me why we must always wait on a time traveler?? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gifAUGH! goodnight!
 
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anonymous,

If you went back and killed Jesus or Mohammed (PBUH), several billion people today would cease to exist. The same applies with indirect interaction. This is math in 2044- it's "how directly relevant is this to me?"

I've quoted Titorian here - not you. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Titorian asked "how directly relevant is this to me?" It's a good question. He's previously stated that when he time travels it is accomplished entirely within this universe - there is no "alternative universe" ala the Many Worlds Interpretation as most time travelers here fall back on. He's also stated that he can't have contact with his younger self for a variety of reasons that I won't argue against.

So what's the answer to his question - even under the circumstance where he completely limits his interaction with people to posting here. He locks himself away for the rest of his life never having any other form of human contact.

Here goes...

Back "home" in 2044 he has access to and brings along with him the names of every human being on the planet which includes their family relationships (spouses' names and childrens' names). He knows, from the perspective of 2044 records, how family history evolves from 2007.

Let's say that you are single today...you haven't yet met your future spouse and you have no children (Titorian has access to how this should unfold).

Tomorrow is the day that you are supposed to have an encounter with the person who will ultimately become your spouse (in Titorian's record of history). This encounter is to take place at 8:00 pm. But...Titorian has written posts and you are interested in reading them. Tomorrow evening, just before 8:00 pm, you take some time and read a few of his posts...posts that you would not have read had he not time traveled to 2007. The otherwise unaccounted for time that you spend reading the posts makes you a few minutes late for your appointment with destiny...you don't encounter that person. Both of you end up marrying other people. The children that his history recorded are never born. The children that you do have were never a part of the history that was recorded.

Moreover, because the two of you married the "wrong" people, the people in his history who were supposed to marry your "wrong" spouses themselves marry the "wrong" people. The people who in his history you two were supposed to marry also marry the "wrong" people and have the "wrong" children.

This cascades down the lines of marriages/births. Everyone ends up marrying the "wrong" people. Given "six degrees of seperation" (six generations in this case) not a single person on the planet would be the people that his history would record as populating the planet because they all give birth to the "wrong" children.

And he didn't kill Jesus, Mohammed or his grandfather. He didn't kill anyone. He never had any live contact with a sole on Earth. The proximate cause of this cascading "disaster" was your taking a few minutes to read a few of his posts that wouldn't have been there had he not been here.

So what does this mean to him? No much if having a world where his attorney might not be an attorney and a world where the scientists who invent time travel might not be born at all.
 
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Follow-up to the above:

The "six degrees of seperation" (six generations) obviously doesn't come to full fruition for a period of time many years beyond 2044. That's the time required for every person on the planet to become the "wrong" person. But the difference in the population as listed in his 2044 records that he brought along would still be staggering. It would involve mostly two generations and in some cases three generations of marriage/birth.

And I've only included you as the single proximate initiator of the chain. Every person who takes the time to read his posts changes their schedule from what it would have been had he not caught their attention by posting.
 
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Darby quote:
"And I've only included you as the single proximate initiator of the chain. Every person who takes the time to read his posts changes their schedule from what it would have been had he not caught their attention by posting."

I agree. He doesn't fully comprehend the ripple effect of just one person let alone everyone who reads his posts. A real time traveler can never be sure of the outcomes of his interactions
just him being here would change things and alter the future and events he once knew.
A true time traveler can predict possibilities and probabilities only.
Some of the events may still happen and may be far enough removed to not be effected directly by any ripples. But small things could change certain things drastically.
A time traveler is not God. God always has the final say.

Anyway I do think he is interesting to talk to. I am not afraid of a few ripples.
 
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I agree with Darby. (Wow. I'm not sure if I've ever said that before!)

Titorian's cavalier attitude about the potential for him to unintentionally alter his own future history would seem to be one of the weakest elements of his story. When a TTer comes back into his own past and spouts a "single-universe-theory", he is either going to be extremely careful not to change anything he doesn't intend to, or he will randomly and unintentionally alter stuff all over the place, leaving a wake of chaos behind his every move.

Zeshua is the only other TTer who I've paid any attention to who spouted a single-universe-theory, and she went to gargantuan and even seemingly ridiculous lengths to make sure that her effect on the past was limited exclusively to the changes she meant to make. That approach to a TTer's single-universe-theory rings far more true in my ears than Titorian's sloppy and careless approach does, which seems like it could easily end up screwing with the lives of everyone he knew and loved during his life from 2007 - 2044, which in turn, of course, would affect him as well.

Pamela wrote "A true time traveler can predict possibilities and probabilities only," and that would be true for a TTer who traveled physically to the past. But an "email TTer" like Zeshua would have a huge advantage in that respect, because she would be able to instantly observe the full consequences of every move she makes in the past. There would be no guessing involved.

- Peter
 
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