Yer another time traveling claim
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Darby
Epochal Historian
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
Pamela,
It's the CIA's DDO for SPAM Filtering, i'm sure.
I have to turn down the security a bit on my email so that I don't miss real email but still filter SPAM. So I get to see the SPAM if I want to. The upside is that once in a while real email gets filtered as SPAM therefore I don't lose it before it hits my email server. For examle, email about a post on Anomalies, TTI, TT Portal, etc. occassionally have words in the header or body that the SPAM blocker is set to filter.
Pamela,
It's the CIA's DDO for SPAM Filtering, i'm sure.
I have to turn down the security a bit on my email so that I don't miss real email but still filter SPAM. So I get to see the SPAM if I want to. The upside is that once in a while real email gets filtered as SPAM therefore I don't lose it before it hits my email server. For examle, email about a post on Anomalies, TTI, TT Portal, etc. occassionally have words in the header or body that the SPAM blocker is set to filter.
Titorian,
Supposing you are a real time traveller,
1. Can you travel back anytime?
2. Can you travel forward to anytime? How far can you travel forward?
3. Have you ever travelled forward in time?
4. You say you are from 2044 and not from another worldline. If you are not from another worldline, why are you from 2044 and not 2007? Why is your time ahead of ours? Well, you will say that if you discovered time travel now and travelled to 2000, you would be in the same position as mine, won't you? But what does this mean? Can each and every moment in the universe be experienced again and again? How can this be? Were you haunted by would-be time travellers in 2007, too?
6. Travelling in time, you can't postpone or advance the date you will die, can you? So, if you are destined to live a 60 year-old life, you won't be able to change it regardless of where or when you spent it, will you?
7. What if you decided to stay here for the rest of your life? Would it cause problems?
8. How can you travel a time when you are not born or already dead?
9. You say if you met your other self, you would decorporalize? So, what does that mean? What would happen to you? Would you die?
10. As you have travelled to 2007, you are non-existent in 2044 at the moment, right?
11. Well, you don't tell much about time travel actually. Is it a privilige to travel in time in 2044? Can a layman travel in time? What is the cost? Are tours organized? Has it turned into an industry? Time travel industry? Do people go to different times for their holidays?
12. What about criminals? Don't they misuse this discovery? What precautions have been taken against such misuses?
13. When you travel in time, are your actions watched by your government?
14. What if a careless time traveller leaks the critical info about time travel in 2007 and we discover time travel? What is the penalty for that? What happens when history has been changed?
15. What about Iran in 2044? If I'm not mistaken, you said you were from Iran. Are you a muslim?
16. What is time travel used for? Has the zeal of time travel vanished after the discovery? Or is it in its infancy yet?
17. If you are able to travel to the future, all lotteries must have been abolished. Right?
Enough for now. I will go on asking questions depending on your answers.
Supposing you are a real time traveller,
1. Can you travel back anytime?
2. Can you travel forward to anytime? How far can you travel forward?
3. Have you ever travelled forward in time?
4. You say you are from 2044 and not from another worldline. If you are not from another worldline, why are you from 2044 and not 2007? Why is your time ahead of ours? Well, you will say that if you discovered time travel now and travelled to 2000, you would be in the same position as mine, won't you? But what does this mean? Can each and every moment in the universe be experienced again and again? How can this be? Were you haunted by would-be time travellers in 2007, too?
6. Travelling in time, you can't postpone or advance the date you will die, can you? So, if you are destined to live a 60 year-old life, you won't be able to change it regardless of where or when you spent it, will you?
7. What if you decided to stay here for the rest of your life? Would it cause problems?
8. How can you travel a time when you are not born or already dead?
9. You say if you met your other self, you would decorporalize? So, what does that mean? What would happen to you? Would you die?
10. As you have travelled to 2007, you are non-existent in 2044 at the moment, right?
11. Well, you don't tell much about time travel actually. Is it a privilige to travel in time in 2044? Can a layman travel in time? What is the cost? Are tours organized? Has it turned into an industry? Time travel industry? Do people go to different times for their holidays?
12. What about criminals? Don't they misuse this discovery? What precautions have been taken against such misuses?
13. When you travel in time, are your actions watched by your government?
14. What if a careless time traveller leaks the critical info about time travel in 2007 and we discover time travel? What is the penalty for that? What happens when history has been changed?
15. What about Iran in 2044? If I'm not mistaken, you said you were from Iran. Are you a muslim?
16. What is time travel used for? Has the zeal of time travel vanished after the discovery? Or is it in its infancy yet?
17. If you are able to travel to the future, all lotteries must have been abolished. Right?
Enough for now. I will go on asking questions depending on your answers.
taffyapple123
Temporal Novice
Here's my problem.
why would a millionaire person who is dying of cancer go back to the past and leave all his loved ones and money behind (except for some gold bars, I think must have weighed you down somewhat on the trip)? Why go back to a time when medical management of cancer is not as advanced as his own time? Won't you end up dying even sooner?
I don't get it. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif
why would a millionaire person who is dying of cancer go back to the past and leave all his loved ones and money behind (except for some gold bars, I think must have weighed you down somewhat on the trip)? Why go back to a time when medical management of cancer is not as advanced as his own time? Won't you end up dying even sooner?
I don't get it. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif
taffyapple123
Temporal Novice
Another thing,
technically, you could live forever,
by coming back in time in 2044 when you start to die, giving tons of money to younger self, living as millionaire thru life till 2044 again when you get cancer, coming back to younger self give millions again and again.
Am I missing something?
technically, you could live forever,
by coming back in time in 2044 when you start to die, giving tons of money to younger self, living as millionaire thru life till 2044 again when you get cancer, coming back to younger self give millions again and again.
Am I missing something?
timetravelerbeliever
Chrono Cadet
thanks a lot for the links guys /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif.
Peter_Novak
Quantum Scribe
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
Titorian, you wrote "I have already given substantial information over at TTF regarding the future and perhaps will copy and paste it here for continuity's sake."
TTF doesn't exist anymore. It changed to Paranormalis and then to The Paranormal Network and now it is offline altogether. I went to TTP and searched for your posts there but didn't find any, perhaps due to my own unfamiliarity with that site's mechanics. Anyway, I would appreciate it if you did repost your earlier predictions again in this thread.
- Peter
Titorian, you wrote "I have already given substantial information over at TTF regarding the future and perhaps will copy and paste it here for continuity's sake."
TTF doesn't exist anymore. It changed to Paranormalis and then to The Paranormal Network and now it is offline altogether. I went to TTP and searched for your posts there but didn't find any, perhaps due to my own unfamiliarity with that site's mechanics. Anyway, I would appreciate it if you did repost your earlier predictions again in this thread.
- Peter
recall15
Dimensional Traveler
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
Pam wrote: " ..... What are my characters in the movies made about John?"
Well, Pam, somebody tell me yesterday that you asked Darby about the EPR Paradox, in that movie... The nonlocal Behaivor as Darby Said "quantum weirdness"...
-
Regards
5,6. The Moral Law causes the people to be in complete
accord with their ruler, so that they will follow him
regardless of their lives, undismayed by any danger.
SUN TZU ON THE ART OF WAR
Pam wrote: " ..... What are my characters in the movies made about John?"
Well, Pam, somebody tell me yesterday that you asked Darby about the EPR Paradox, in that movie... The nonlocal Behaivor as Darby Said "quantum weirdness"...
-
Regards
5,6. The Moral Law causes the people to be in complete
accord with their ruler, so that they will follow him
regardless of their lives, undismayed by any danger.
SUN TZU ON THE ART OF WAR
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
>You are deleting them? Don't delete them. This is very strange. This is not normal. why don't you post them. Perhaps it is some kind of code and we can figure it out. I would atleast like to see an example of one to satisfy my curiousity.<
I'll run the next one through an java editor, remove any java then post it here. It's nothing but random words but it's a whole email full of them.
>>"3DTV is cool "<<
3DTV is VERY cool... cool to the point of there's no need to envision anything more real that apart from tangability. It's (usually) four emitters in the corners of the room which converge and cancel to form a true 3D image. This is the technology that begat holosims- "virtual people".
As to the balance of questions posed- in the past I compiled them to form a single thought then conveyed them, however this leaves nagging "unresolved specific questions" in the minds of the posters. I'll try tackling them head on this time:
> What are (Pamela's) characters in the movies made about John?<
In a nutshell, Pamela plays the part of the believer.
>>If we make so much food we burn it does that mean no one in America goes hungry anymore?<<
In 2044, people still go hungry, as ashamed as I am to say. We produce so much food we don't know what to do with it so we convert it to gas- when the market dictates it's cheaper to convert to ethanol than grains, we convert it to ethanol. Stocks in 2044 are much flatter/more stable/not as volitile then they are today.
>>If robots take over most of the jobs then who buys the products?<<
The people do- with the dividends from their ownership of co-op communities.
>Are you not afraid you might be accused of killing the winner (of the billion dollar lottery) since you know about it ahead of time?<
No- it's more "a thing" like Roswell or 9/11 or even John Titor... it's a thing that conspiracy buffs will cling to.
>So CERN plays a big part in developing time travel?<
A thousand people play very important parts towards the development of time travel. From the 2044 perspective, Kaku is foremost. From a 2007 perspective, Pelosi is.
>What if there are more time travelers than just you here?<
At least 50 people went through before me- I made sure the thing worked before I went... once you're strapped in the machine and it's turned on, either of three things will happen: you'll time travel, you won't or you'll decorporalize. Those 50+ people are right here, right now although I assume for various reasons, mine is to correct someone else's future (which is my ticket) and alter my own future (which is why I did it).
>How does that factor into the decorporealization theories?<
It does exponentially. At some point I won't be a "time traveler" anymore, I'll be "just another time traveling claim" when causality catches up to me.
>Does anything happen if you run into another timetraveler from another time period? What if they all got together in a large room...what would happen if a hundred stood side by side all from different times?<
Most probably nothing, unless there's a cannibal in the room /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif. Now what happened if 50 of us were in a room and the 50 other us's walked in? Most probably a black hole.
>How can you seriously talk about our futures being the same when you are here changing ours by interacting with us? ripples do happen.<
No offense, but don't blame me for altering a future that hasn't yet happened to you. In particular regard, you die believing in Titor (according to the story); if nothing else I've given you something else to consider and in the process possibly altered you.
>This is what is meant by different timelines. You are changing ours if you are who you say you are. How can you think you are not?<
Yes- I plan to directly affect causailty upon my death, or in 2011 whichever comes first. Don't blame me for altering a future that hasn't yet happened to you.
>I would like for you to explain more about physical timelines and ones that are not physical. Do you mean the timeline you came from has now become unphysical?<
This is a tough one- a real philispohical quandry you're asking. God has a book called "Our Universe" and everything in it is everything that will happen within this universe... as such, there is only one reality. We can violate reality but only in the smallest points for the smallest fractions of time: years, not light years- we call this "time travel". This is an appropriate direct reponse to what you ask. AISC!
>The timeline you are in now is changed from what it was before....simply because you are in it. I guess I do not understand your view of it. Can you explain more about it?<
The universe is at 99.99999999999931415% equilibrium. That means, regardless of whatever "moment in time" you consider, it's still 99.99999% at equilibrium. My being here throws this equilibrium off, but only for an extremely short period of time: an atom lives for 10 billion years and of them, 37 of those years were spent in a dual state- big deal. This will definetly alter time and space but only for a short period of time and to an inconsequential degree- most of history is ineviable anyway. As such, as long as you don't affect directly causality and create a grandfather paradox, you CAN do such things as time travel. This is where I fit in.
Trex- all of your questions point in one direction, as in, one long-winded, clarifying explanation. I'll gladly go into it again if you'll all hear me ramble- I can tell you all the story of 2007-2044 but most of it won't make sense to you now. This is like explaining the evolution of the Nanopod to someone in 1944.
>>Here's my problem. why would a millionaire person who is dying of cancer go back to the past and leave all his loved ones and money behind (except for some gold bars, I think must have weighed you down somewhat on the trip)? Why go back to a time when medical management of cancer is not as advanced as his own time? Won't you end up dying even sooner?<<
Immunizology makes cancer what it should be: a rare malady- either you get it and you're screwed or you might and it's preventable. I did not pay for my time traveling trip- my attorney did in exchange for information. The gold was mostly 10 oz. bars which are the size of an Ipod- the lump sum could fit in your pocket although it would pull your pants down. In 2044 they prevent cancer, they don't deal with it. The roots of this inevitability already exist, by 2015 it will be a reality. Ask a Canadian.
>>technically, you could live forever<<
Yes but who would want to?
>by coming back in time in 2044 when you start to die, giving tons of money to younger self, living as millionaire thru life till 2044 again when you get cancer, coming back to younger self give millions again and again.<
Would you do the same if you could?
>TTF doesn't exist anymore. It changed to Paranormalis and then to The Paranormal Network and now it is offline altogether. I went to TTP and searched for your posts there but didn't find any, perhaps due to my own unfamiliarity with that site's mechanics. Anyway, I would appreciate it if you did repost your earlier predictions again in this thread.<
http://timetravelportal.com/viewtopic.php?t=2793&start=0
I apologize to everyone- I meant TTP :0 They're all there although upon checking I just found out I am also banned from posting there- my last post was to redirect anyone here which ineviably resulted in my being banned. Causality thanks you, planetniles. Most of the questions asked here have already been answered there... I was there for a while.
>You are deleting them? Don't delete them. This is very strange. This is not normal. why don't you post them. Perhaps it is some kind of code and we can figure it out. I would atleast like to see an example of one to satisfy my curiousity.<
I'll run the next one through an java editor, remove any java then post it here. It's nothing but random words but it's a whole email full of them.
>>"3DTV is cool "<<
3DTV is VERY cool... cool to the point of there's no need to envision anything more real that apart from tangability. It's (usually) four emitters in the corners of the room which converge and cancel to form a true 3D image. This is the technology that begat holosims- "virtual people".
As to the balance of questions posed- in the past I compiled them to form a single thought then conveyed them, however this leaves nagging "unresolved specific questions" in the minds of the posters. I'll try tackling them head on this time:
> What are (Pamela's) characters in the movies made about John?<
In a nutshell, Pamela plays the part of the believer.
>>If we make so much food we burn it does that mean no one in America goes hungry anymore?<<
In 2044, people still go hungry, as ashamed as I am to say. We produce so much food we don't know what to do with it so we convert it to gas- when the market dictates it's cheaper to convert to ethanol than grains, we convert it to ethanol. Stocks in 2044 are much flatter/more stable/not as volitile then they are today.
>>If robots take over most of the jobs then who buys the products?<<
The people do- with the dividends from their ownership of co-op communities.
>Are you not afraid you might be accused of killing the winner (of the billion dollar lottery) since you know about it ahead of time?<
No- it's more "a thing" like Roswell or 9/11 or even John Titor... it's a thing that conspiracy buffs will cling to.
>So CERN plays a big part in developing time travel?<
A thousand people play very important parts towards the development of time travel. From the 2044 perspective, Kaku is foremost. From a 2007 perspective, Pelosi is.
>What if there are more time travelers than just you here?<
At least 50 people went through before me- I made sure the thing worked before I went... once you're strapped in the machine and it's turned on, either of three things will happen: you'll time travel, you won't or you'll decorporalize. Those 50+ people are right here, right now although I assume for various reasons, mine is to correct someone else's future (which is my ticket) and alter my own future (which is why I did it).
>How does that factor into the decorporealization theories?<
It does exponentially. At some point I won't be a "time traveler" anymore, I'll be "just another time traveling claim" when causality catches up to me.
>Does anything happen if you run into another timetraveler from another time period? What if they all got together in a large room...what would happen if a hundred stood side by side all from different times?<
Most probably nothing, unless there's a cannibal in the room /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif. Now what happened if 50 of us were in a room and the 50 other us's walked in? Most probably a black hole.
>How can you seriously talk about our futures being the same when you are here changing ours by interacting with us? ripples do happen.<
No offense, but don't blame me for altering a future that hasn't yet happened to you. In particular regard, you die believing in Titor (according to the story); if nothing else I've given you something else to consider and in the process possibly altered you.
>This is what is meant by different timelines. You are changing ours if you are who you say you are. How can you think you are not?<
Yes- I plan to directly affect causailty upon my death, or in 2011 whichever comes first. Don't blame me for altering a future that hasn't yet happened to you.
>I would like for you to explain more about physical timelines and ones that are not physical. Do you mean the timeline you came from has now become unphysical?<
This is a tough one- a real philispohical quandry you're asking. God has a book called "Our Universe" and everything in it is everything that will happen within this universe... as such, there is only one reality. We can violate reality but only in the smallest points for the smallest fractions of time: years, not light years- we call this "time travel". This is an appropriate direct reponse to what you ask. AISC!
>The timeline you are in now is changed from what it was before....simply because you are in it. I guess I do not understand your view of it. Can you explain more about it?<
The universe is at 99.99999999999931415% equilibrium. That means, regardless of whatever "moment in time" you consider, it's still 99.99999% at equilibrium. My being here throws this equilibrium off, but only for an extremely short period of time: an atom lives for 10 billion years and of them, 37 of those years were spent in a dual state- big deal. This will definetly alter time and space but only for a short period of time and to an inconsequential degree- most of history is ineviable anyway. As such, as long as you don't affect directly causality and create a grandfather paradox, you CAN do such things as time travel. This is where I fit in.
Trex- all of your questions point in one direction, as in, one long-winded, clarifying explanation. I'll gladly go into it again if you'll all hear me ramble- I can tell you all the story of 2007-2044 but most of it won't make sense to you now. This is like explaining the evolution of the Nanopod to someone in 1944.
>>Here's my problem. why would a millionaire person who is dying of cancer go back to the past and leave all his loved ones and money behind (except for some gold bars, I think must have weighed you down somewhat on the trip)? Why go back to a time when medical management of cancer is not as advanced as his own time? Won't you end up dying even sooner?<<
Immunizology makes cancer what it should be: a rare malady- either you get it and you're screwed or you might and it's preventable. I did not pay for my time traveling trip- my attorney did in exchange for information. The gold was mostly 10 oz. bars which are the size of an Ipod- the lump sum could fit in your pocket although it would pull your pants down. In 2044 they prevent cancer, they don't deal with it. The roots of this inevitability already exist, by 2015 it will be a reality. Ask a Canadian.
>>technically, you could live forever<<
Yes but who would want to?
>by coming back in time in 2044 when you start to die, giving tons of money to younger self, living as millionaire thru life till 2044 again when you get cancer, coming back to younger self give millions again and again.<
Would you do the same if you could?
>TTF doesn't exist anymore. It changed to Paranormalis and then to The Paranormal Network and now it is offline altogether. I went to TTP and searched for your posts there but didn't find any, perhaps due to my own unfamiliarity with that site's mechanics. Anyway, I would appreciate it if you did repost your earlier predictions again in this thread.<
http://timetravelportal.com/viewtopic.php?t=2793&start=0
I apologize to everyone- I meant TTP :0 They're all there although upon checking I just found out I am also banned from posting there- my last post was to redirect anyone here which ineviably resulted in my being banned. Causality thanks you, planetniles. Most of the questions asked here have already been answered there... I was there for a while.
Peter_Novak
Quantum Scribe
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
Titorian, you wrote "You die believing in Titor". Does that mean that the war and social chaos Titor predicted arrives on schedule?
In the other thread at TTP, you wrote "you guys should really get off your butts and start protesting the end of this endless war- it will only bankrupt our nation and make us militarally inept in the world scene, but I suppose it's a good thing to let someone else run the world for a while." Is this a prediction that this war in Iraq will not end for a long time yet, and that America will soon become bankrupt?
Oh, I see, you wrote "Yeah- a civil war started in 2005, you all just don't realize it yet. This is what makes Titor's Tale so interesting. Don't worry about raving bands of looters- this is more a financial meltdown than anything else."
But later you wrote "most importantly- there is no Civil War." And stil later you wrote "Why don't I talk about the Civil War and divergences in timelines? Mostly because there is no civil war in your future... nothing you would define as a civil war although what will happen can only be described as a "civil war". It's a war of the classes- the rich and everyone else. It's like this in 2006- there's your rich, then there's everyone else serving them. There will be more Enrons and many people will suffer as those privledged few take the money and run. "
And you wrote "The US economy will do slightly better for the next 2 years, then better the next four. Then very good the next three, then okay from then on." But later you wrote "A depression is about to hit this country and people are going to appreciate what they have more." And still later you wrote "The US stock market will crash soon as will the EU markets and some global financial reorganization must happen for trade to continue."
So do we go bankrupt or don't we? Is there a financial meltdown or isn't there? Is there a depression or isn't there? Is there a stockmarket crash or isn't there?
You say there is going to be a sort of "civil war" between rich and poor, and a financial breakdown, and some sort of dramatic event in 2012, and that emailing thru time became possible before physical time travel was. This all sounds consistent with what Zeshua has been saying for the last two years. But Zeshua also said that the financial collapse and civil war did become bad enough to cause rioting and roaming bands of looters, and you apparently disagree with that.
Thanks.
- Peter
Titorian, you wrote "You die believing in Titor". Does that mean that the war and social chaos Titor predicted arrives on schedule?
In the other thread at TTP, you wrote "you guys should really get off your butts and start protesting the end of this endless war- it will only bankrupt our nation and make us militarally inept in the world scene, but I suppose it's a good thing to let someone else run the world for a while." Is this a prediction that this war in Iraq will not end for a long time yet, and that America will soon become bankrupt?
Oh, I see, you wrote "Yeah- a civil war started in 2005, you all just don't realize it yet. This is what makes Titor's Tale so interesting. Don't worry about raving bands of looters- this is more a financial meltdown than anything else."
But later you wrote "most importantly- there is no Civil War." And stil later you wrote "Why don't I talk about the Civil War and divergences in timelines? Mostly because there is no civil war in your future... nothing you would define as a civil war although what will happen can only be described as a "civil war". It's a war of the classes- the rich and everyone else. It's like this in 2006- there's your rich, then there's everyone else serving them. There will be more Enrons and many people will suffer as those privledged few take the money and run. "
And you wrote "The US economy will do slightly better for the next 2 years, then better the next four. Then very good the next three, then okay from then on." But later you wrote "A depression is about to hit this country and people are going to appreciate what they have more." And still later you wrote "The US stock market will crash soon as will the EU markets and some global financial reorganization must happen for trade to continue."
So do we go bankrupt or don't we? Is there a financial meltdown or isn't there? Is there a depression or isn't there? Is there a stockmarket crash or isn't there?
You say there is going to be a sort of "civil war" between rich and poor, and a financial breakdown, and some sort of dramatic event in 2012, and that emailing thru time became possible before physical time travel was. This all sounds consistent with what Zeshua has been saying for the last two years. But Zeshua also said that the financial collapse and civil war did become bad enough to cause rioting and roaming bands of looters, and you apparently disagree with that.
Thanks.
- Peter
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
Titorian,
Concerning the sphere you time travel in.
Is it harder (more physically demanding) for a 61 year old to time travel versus a
25 year old man? Are there gravitational forces felt?
Can a child time travel? Can more than one person time travel together?
Can you describe in detail what happens after you enter the machine?
Can the techs talk to you when you are inside?
What happens when you arrive at the new time?
Does someone open the door for you?
How do they know ahead of time that you are coming?
What happens if two people are arriving at the exact same time and place?
You said three things will happen, you will time travel, you wont or you will decorporalize.
What happens if you dont time travel? what are the causes of the failure?
What happens if you decorporalize? What would cause that?
What does AISC! mean?
Titorian,
Concerning the sphere you time travel in.
Is it harder (more physically demanding) for a 61 year old to time travel versus a
25 year old man? Are there gravitational forces felt?
Can a child time travel? Can more than one person time travel together?
Can you describe in detail what happens after you enter the machine?
Can the techs talk to you when you are inside?
What happens when you arrive at the new time?
Does someone open the door for you?
How do they know ahead of time that you are coming?
What happens if two people are arriving at the exact same time and place?
You said three things will happen, you will time travel, you wont or you will decorporalize.
What happens if you dont time travel? what are the causes of the failure?
What happens if you decorporalize? What would cause that?
What does AISC! mean?
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
The civil war is between the classes- "the rich" and "everyone else". But it's a "civil" war (get it?)... there are no outright Gettysburgs as much as growing resentment from the majority of the people, all while the rich get richer, everyone else gets poorer, all while the US government goes bankrupt. I know this is a dramatic example, but this is my perspective being from 2044... I know how it all turns out. I know what life in 2044 is like and looking back at today, one can only describe it a "civil war".
In the future, the Federal Government runs a tight ship with a balanced budget and keeps its nose clean. In the future, people don't kill themselves just to make a buck. In the future, people are interested in their community, not the world at large... in the future we keep to ourselves. In the future, our military is half the size it is now and so are our taxes. In the future, politicians are held accountable. Life is simply simpler in the future- this is where I come from... the future.
Now here I am in 2006- I've been here before, it's not the dark ages to me... I lived in this time once already. But it's weird being here... weird like when you find out some distant relative you never knew you had is coming and they're bunking with you all week... that's the feeling I have being here.
You guys really are in a civil war right now- you all against yourselves. A good analogy is Walmart. If all the employees walked out, they will get what they want. And what do they want? Livable wages. And what's stopping them from getting this? Themselves- each and every one of them- for rationalizing the personal inconvenience change will cause against a steady-but-never-enough paycheck for selling themselves short.
You're in a Civil War right now and every once in a while one of you snaps and a Waco-type event happens. Then it's all over the news- live 24 hours, non-stop BETWEEN COMMERCIAL BREAKS, then it goes away. Scott Peterson, Mark Barton, "The Neptune Assassin", "Son of Sam";"The Zodiac killer". The Unabomber. Timothy McVeigh. Daniel Carver, OJ Simpson, Johhny Knoxville and even a Royal Princess. Whatever keeps glued to your TV set; whatever keeps you staring at ads.
At some point (and I think it already happened) it is technically possible to make just as much money being on welfare as it is to work 40 hours at Walmart. And when the coffers run bare, eventually the Federal Government will wake up and make things right again.
In 2044, we develop co-operative communities. They are living things: Corporations... they exist to serve themselves. They exist to make a huge profit, and the thousands of people who control this corporation decide the best course of action. These are neighborhoods and small towns, except they're owned by the people who live on it. They generate their own electricity, they grow their own crops- they even make their own topsoil. They also own the central mall which keeps the community alive and rents space to its tenants- all for a huge profit, with stock dividends payable to the people who live there: its residents.
Some of the best communities' residents make $75,000 a year in dividends for just living there- in 2044, "living there" can be an occupation. And most of the people who live in that community also work there, and every community exists to serve its people and generate a profit by offering goods and services to people outside the community: the world at large- particularly people who don't live in a co-op community.
We call those people "rich people" because they choose to live in the same exact house as us but it's costing them twice as much to maintain it- they REALLY gotta work to pay the bills- double income, overtime, holidays, latchkey kids... today you call this "occupation".
And we fill their gas tanks with ethanol and collect $80.00 for doing it and smile. In 2044 we love rich people because their being rich makes us all richer and we both know it.
Once you people today look past the screaming, non-stop headline breaking news-of-the-moment headline, you'll start to notice history is happening right in front of you. Another successful space probe. A new way to get drinking water from sea water. A way to turn desert into fertile soil. A vaccination for a deadly disease. Less starvation. PEACE. A way to add more to the world than you're taking from it.
Then you'll start paying attention to what's important again and make it better. We call this "the future".
Now having said all of that look back 40 years to 2007 and look at life today and look at how everyone is playing against a stacked deck and still hoping to win and how else can you describe it but a civil war?
NKS_Man- re: electric cars. Once somebody puts out a workable, cheap, reliable electric car that gets the job done, it will simply make more sense to drive an electric car. Sure it's not as fast as a gas car and maybe it's not as flashy, but it's saving you thousands of dollars a year- enough to finance the cost of the car itself. Chrysler in 2044 is a medium-sized company. The catalyst is when Japan opens US Auto's vaults and dusts off US Auto's patented electric car blueprints and actually starts making them, and whoever puts it out first wins.
Now on to Pamela.
>>Is it harder (more physically demanding) for a 61 year old to time travel versus a 25 year old man? Are there gravitational forces felt? Can a child time travel? Can more than one person time travel together? Can you describe in detail what happens after you enter the machine?<<
The time machine is a metal ball about 5 feet across. Being inside it is like being in a car with airbags all around you deployed- you're crushed in every direction. You get into the pod's contoured, fetal position seat, lean forward and put a large hard plastic breathing tube into your mouth and close your eyes tight. There's a small compartment under the seat where you put your personal effects. Then they close the pod and inflate the airbags- you're smooshed- you can't move and then it starts spinning. You get a little light-headed, then it goes away. Then you feel a forward lurch, then the door opens and you come out. You're in the past. It's as stressful as going on a roller coaster.
>>Can the techs talk to you when you are inside?<<
You are "the package", the techs are busy making the machine do what it does. There is no in-flight meal, just five minutes of turbulence.
>What happens when you arrive at the new time?<
You arrive in what is designed to be the same place you left: the same underground complex. You spend a week "on campus" before you go- you spend a week in a place where everything is 2006, then you go to 2006 and arrive in the same-looking place and it really is 2006. They open a bottle of champagne (which personally I think is corny), refund your deposit in current currency ($50,000) and you're free to go- you have completed this financial transaction of time travel.
>>Does someone open the door for you?<<
Oh yeah- you're locked in. You can't get out- there is no "emergency stop button". You are cargo. The ball is incredibly smooth... it's a giant ball bearing. It's double walled and there's some sorta liquid mercury in-between that acts as a conductor.
>>How do they know ahead of time that you are coming?<<
Honestly I have no idea. I know when I arrive, I am the center of attention... it's not like a landing dock or anything... it's not a bus terminal... I didn't land in a place full of people from 2044. They opened the hatch, I got out and was slightly dizzy... there were a good 20 people in the room. Once I was okay, they all went away. I was escorted to my room (which is the same room I had in 2044). I left later that day. I'd say they email the information before I arrive- the time machine does not rely on any universal standard- it cheats time.
>What happens if two people are arriving at the exact same time and place?<
Not possible. You land where "you're logically expected to land in spacetime" and it all has to do with additude/spin/deceleration. You fool the universe.
>>You said three things will happen, you will time travel, you wont or you will decorporalize.<<
Yeah- you're cargo. You sign releases and whatever happens to you is your problem.
>>What happens if you dont time travel? what are the causes of the failure?<<
Then they didn't get "the Coca-Cola Recipe" right. They recalibrate and you have to wait another day or so for the batteries to recharge. They also successively pick different dates to reduce causal effects and make it reality. I went through in one shot.
>>What happens if you decorporalize? What would cause that?<<
There are "hot dates" where your being there and then has a direct causality effect (butterfly effect/grandfather paradox) which makes your logical history immediately illogical. In that case, it's simply easier for the universe to pop you out of existence than to rewrite E=MC2. Like if OJ Simpson time traveled back to the day of the double homicide- he would decorporialize.
>>What does AISC! mean?<<
"Artificial Intelligence Spell Check". It's a subprogram to your userid... it's your Avatar... it's "the online you". In 2044, your password is not your pet goldfish's name- this is why kids are getting themselves implanted, this is why many more Federal privacy laws will be on the books. It's your familiar, it's your butler. It follows you around, it opens online doors for you, it corrects your typos and makes sure the billing info is always right. It allows you to go food shopping and just walk out with a shopping cart full of food.
It talks to other AISCs and gets stuff like eBay done for you while you sleep, it makes sure your distant relatives get birthday cards on their birthday. It's your rifle. There are many like it but your AISC is yours. You get one when you're young and you teach it and it gets smart. You type and it all comes out like Shakespere... it's "the online you".
I feel naked here posting "my own words"- I miss my AISC. In 2044, AISC's are "ghosts in the machine"- they are living things that can eventually become a life form onto themselves... they become "you" after you die... they're your right arm. The can do up to 50% of the writing for you. There's lots of "AISC graveyard" sites in 2044- places full of talking dead people.
That is why I write the way I write- because whatever I have written has always come out as this: perfect English diction. But I make mistakes- I make typos, which makes me look foolish... I miss my AISC.
The civil war is between the classes- "the rich" and "everyone else". But it's a "civil" war (get it?)... there are no outright Gettysburgs as much as growing resentment from the majority of the people, all while the rich get richer, everyone else gets poorer, all while the US government goes bankrupt. I know this is a dramatic example, but this is my perspective being from 2044... I know how it all turns out. I know what life in 2044 is like and looking back at today, one can only describe it a "civil war".
In the future, the Federal Government runs a tight ship with a balanced budget and keeps its nose clean. In the future, people don't kill themselves just to make a buck. In the future, people are interested in their community, not the world at large... in the future we keep to ourselves. In the future, our military is half the size it is now and so are our taxes. In the future, politicians are held accountable. Life is simply simpler in the future- this is where I come from... the future.
Now here I am in 2006- I've been here before, it's not the dark ages to me... I lived in this time once already. But it's weird being here... weird like when you find out some distant relative you never knew you had is coming and they're bunking with you all week... that's the feeling I have being here.
You guys really are in a civil war right now- you all against yourselves. A good analogy is Walmart. If all the employees walked out, they will get what they want. And what do they want? Livable wages. And what's stopping them from getting this? Themselves- each and every one of them- for rationalizing the personal inconvenience change will cause against a steady-but-never-enough paycheck for selling themselves short.
You're in a Civil War right now and every once in a while one of you snaps and a Waco-type event happens. Then it's all over the news- live 24 hours, non-stop BETWEEN COMMERCIAL BREAKS, then it goes away. Scott Peterson, Mark Barton, "The Neptune Assassin", "Son of Sam";"The Zodiac killer". The Unabomber. Timothy McVeigh. Daniel Carver, OJ Simpson, Johhny Knoxville and even a Royal Princess. Whatever keeps glued to your TV set; whatever keeps you staring at ads.
At some point (and I think it already happened) it is technically possible to make just as much money being on welfare as it is to work 40 hours at Walmart. And when the coffers run bare, eventually the Federal Government will wake up and make things right again.
In 2044, we develop co-operative communities. They are living things: Corporations... they exist to serve themselves. They exist to make a huge profit, and the thousands of people who control this corporation decide the best course of action. These are neighborhoods and small towns, except they're owned by the people who live on it. They generate their own electricity, they grow their own crops- they even make their own topsoil. They also own the central mall which keeps the community alive and rents space to its tenants- all for a huge profit, with stock dividends payable to the people who live there: its residents.
Some of the best communities' residents make $75,000 a year in dividends for just living there- in 2044, "living there" can be an occupation. And most of the people who live in that community also work there, and every community exists to serve its people and generate a profit by offering goods and services to people outside the community: the world at large- particularly people who don't live in a co-op community.
We call those people "rich people" because they choose to live in the same exact house as us but it's costing them twice as much to maintain it- they REALLY gotta work to pay the bills- double income, overtime, holidays, latchkey kids... today you call this "occupation".
And we fill their gas tanks with ethanol and collect $80.00 for doing it and smile. In 2044 we love rich people because their being rich makes us all richer and we both know it.
Once you people today look past the screaming, non-stop headline breaking news-of-the-moment headline, you'll start to notice history is happening right in front of you. Another successful space probe. A new way to get drinking water from sea water. A way to turn desert into fertile soil. A vaccination for a deadly disease. Less starvation. PEACE. A way to add more to the world than you're taking from it.
Then you'll start paying attention to what's important again and make it better. We call this "the future".
Now having said all of that look back 40 years to 2007 and look at life today and look at how everyone is playing against a stacked deck and still hoping to win and how else can you describe it but a civil war?
NKS_Man- re: electric cars. Once somebody puts out a workable, cheap, reliable electric car that gets the job done, it will simply make more sense to drive an electric car. Sure it's not as fast as a gas car and maybe it's not as flashy, but it's saving you thousands of dollars a year- enough to finance the cost of the car itself. Chrysler in 2044 is a medium-sized company. The catalyst is when Japan opens US Auto's vaults and dusts off US Auto's patented electric car blueprints and actually starts making them, and whoever puts it out first wins.
Now on to Pamela.
>>Is it harder (more physically demanding) for a 61 year old to time travel versus a 25 year old man? Are there gravitational forces felt? Can a child time travel? Can more than one person time travel together? Can you describe in detail what happens after you enter the machine?<<
The time machine is a metal ball about 5 feet across. Being inside it is like being in a car with airbags all around you deployed- you're crushed in every direction. You get into the pod's contoured, fetal position seat, lean forward and put a large hard plastic breathing tube into your mouth and close your eyes tight. There's a small compartment under the seat where you put your personal effects. Then they close the pod and inflate the airbags- you're smooshed- you can't move and then it starts spinning. You get a little light-headed, then it goes away. Then you feel a forward lurch, then the door opens and you come out. You're in the past. It's as stressful as going on a roller coaster.
>>Can the techs talk to you when you are inside?<<
You are "the package", the techs are busy making the machine do what it does. There is no in-flight meal, just five minutes of turbulence.
>What happens when you arrive at the new time?<
You arrive in what is designed to be the same place you left: the same underground complex. You spend a week "on campus" before you go- you spend a week in a place where everything is 2006, then you go to 2006 and arrive in the same-looking place and it really is 2006. They open a bottle of champagne (which personally I think is corny), refund your deposit in current currency ($50,000) and you're free to go- you have completed this financial transaction of time travel.
>>Does someone open the door for you?<<
Oh yeah- you're locked in. You can't get out- there is no "emergency stop button". You are cargo. The ball is incredibly smooth... it's a giant ball bearing. It's double walled and there's some sorta liquid mercury in-between that acts as a conductor.
>>How do they know ahead of time that you are coming?<<
Honestly I have no idea. I know when I arrive, I am the center of attention... it's not like a landing dock or anything... it's not a bus terminal... I didn't land in a place full of people from 2044. They opened the hatch, I got out and was slightly dizzy... there were a good 20 people in the room. Once I was okay, they all went away. I was escorted to my room (which is the same room I had in 2044). I left later that day. I'd say they email the information before I arrive- the time machine does not rely on any universal standard- it cheats time.
>What happens if two people are arriving at the exact same time and place?<
Not possible. You land where "you're logically expected to land in spacetime" and it all has to do with additude/spin/deceleration. You fool the universe.
>>You said three things will happen, you will time travel, you wont or you will decorporalize.<<
Yeah- you're cargo. You sign releases and whatever happens to you is your problem.
>>What happens if you dont time travel? what are the causes of the failure?<<
Then they didn't get "the Coca-Cola Recipe" right. They recalibrate and you have to wait another day or so for the batteries to recharge. They also successively pick different dates to reduce causal effects and make it reality. I went through in one shot.
>>What happens if you decorporalize? What would cause that?<<
There are "hot dates" where your being there and then has a direct causality effect (butterfly effect/grandfather paradox) which makes your logical history immediately illogical. In that case, it's simply easier for the universe to pop you out of existence than to rewrite E=MC2. Like if OJ Simpson time traveled back to the day of the double homicide- he would decorporialize.
>>What does AISC! mean?<<
"Artificial Intelligence Spell Check". It's a subprogram to your userid... it's your Avatar... it's "the online you". In 2044, your password is not your pet goldfish's name- this is why kids are getting themselves implanted, this is why many more Federal privacy laws will be on the books. It's your familiar, it's your butler. It follows you around, it opens online doors for you, it corrects your typos and makes sure the billing info is always right. It allows you to go food shopping and just walk out with a shopping cart full of food.
It talks to other AISCs and gets stuff like eBay done for you while you sleep, it makes sure your distant relatives get birthday cards on their birthday. It's your rifle. There are many like it but your AISC is yours. You get one when you're young and you teach it and it gets smart. You type and it all comes out like Shakespere... it's "the online you".
I feel naked here posting "my own words"- I miss my AISC. In 2044, AISC's are "ghosts in the machine"- they are living things that can eventually become a life form onto themselves... they become "you" after you die... they're your right arm. The can do up to 50% of the writing for you. There's lots of "AISC graveyard" sites in 2044- places full of talking dead people.
That is why I write the way I write- because whatever I have written has always come out as this: perfect English diction. But I make mistakes- I make typos, which makes me look foolish... I miss my AISC.
Peter_Novak
Quantum Scribe
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
Titorian, you wrote "The US economy will do slightly better for the next 2 years, then better the next four. Then very good the next three, then okay from then on." But later you wrote "A depression is about to hit this country" and "The US stock market will crash soon." How can the US economy do "better" at the same time that a depression hits and the stock markets crash?
Also, does history finally conclude that Bush stole the 2000 election? The 2004 election? That he or his people were involved in the planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks?
Are large numbers of American citizens rounded up and put in the Halliburton/FEMA concentration camps?
Is martial law declared by the US government in the next 20 years?
Does the government bring back the draft?
Does water and/or food become scarce in the USA in the next 20 years? Does the economic collapse get so severe that most long-distance cross-country distribution of goods ceases? How high does the price of gasoline get?
- Peter
Titorian, you wrote "The US economy will do slightly better for the next 2 years, then better the next four. Then very good the next three, then okay from then on." But later you wrote "A depression is about to hit this country" and "The US stock market will crash soon." How can the US economy do "better" at the same time that a depression hits and the stock markets crash?
Also, does history finally conclude that Bush stole the 2000 election? The 2004 election? That he or his people were involved in the planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks?
Are large numbers of American citizens rounded up and put in the Halliburton/FEMA concentration camps?
Is martial law declared by the US government in the next 20 years?
Does the government bring back the draft?
Does water and/or food become scarce in the USA in the next 20 years? Does the economic collapse get so severe that most long-distance cross-country distribution of goods ceases? How high does the price of gasoline get?
- Peter
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
Titorian,
The sphere sounds much like the movie "contact" with Jodie Foster. Is the sphere similiar to the sphere in that movie?
I think you feel the same way about your AISC as I do about my navigation system in my cell phone.
I don't ever have to worry about getting lost again. It's wonderful. I even have a setting for "home" so no matter where I am it can get me home.
No matter where I am the GPS can hook me up and the map pops up to show me where I am and then it proceeds to give me verbal directions to turn right on this road or that. It's a very comfortable feeling to know you will never be lost again. All I have to do is put in a physical address and it tells me how to get there and how long it will take.
It works in the car or walking. If you are really bad and even miss the road it tells you to turn on it says "recalculating route" and directs you from your current position or road.
Just don't ask me how I know that. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I am an expert at getting lost. Just ask my friend Julie. Once we had a Wednesday tour at NASA and it wasn't even that far away. We were lost for two hours and I had to reschedule it. lol
Just a weakness of mine I guess.
Never lost again=Peace of mind /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif...and saves valuable time!
Titorian,
The sphere sounds much like the movie "contact" with Jodie Foster. Is the sphere similiar to the sphere in that movie?
I think you feel the same way about your AISC as I do about my navigation system in my cell phone.
I don't ever have to worry about getting lost again. It's wonderful. I even have a setting for "home" so no matter where I am it can get me home.
No matter where I am the GPS can hook me up and the map pops up to show me where I am and then it proceeds to give me verbal directions to turn right on this road or that. It's a very comfortable feeling to know you will never be lost again. All I have to do is put in a physical address and it tells me how to get there and how long it will take.
It works in the car or walking. If you are really bad and even miss the road it tells you to turn on it says "recalculating route" and directs you from your current position or road.
Just don't ask me how I know that. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I am an expert at getting lost. Just ask my friend Julie. Once we had a Wednesday tour at NASA and it wasn't even that far away. We were lost for two hours and I had to reschedule it. lol
Just a weakness of mine I guess.
Never lost again=Peace of mind /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif...and saves valuable time!
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
>>How can the US economy do "better" at the same time that a depression hits and the stock markets crash?<<
The economy and the stock markets are two seperate, yet somewhat connected things. The Federal budget and the GNP is trillions of dollars. Although most of these monies go to keeping street lights on and such, this kind of money can get a whole lot done. Politics is the process of explaining to the people why you're spending their hard earned monies where you are and our President-of-the-year has a large part in deciding where those extra monies go.
The stock market is regulated by the confidence of the people in American enterprise. When the stock market is down, people invest in federal securities, when it's up, people buy stocks. But the game itself is unfair- it's skewed towards Big Business- our current President calls this "economic stimulation". And you all (should) know that when your stock dividend is fifteen cents, the CEO's bonus is in the millions.
All of the pieces have been in play for quite some time in America, and what is to come is no surprise. But don't worry- there won't be people dying on the streets or roving bands of looters or a wholesale breakdown in civility. You folks just gotta realize the ten bucks you just spent on lunch is enough money to feed and entire family and just because "new and improved" just came out, "old and unimproved" still works.
What's coming is change- change to the entire system, brought on my a decade of overspending. Our taxes won't go up, but they'll get less done. How much are we spending in Iraq?
>>Also, does history finally conclude that Bush stole the 2000 election? The 2004 election? That he or his people were involved in the planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks?<<
Bush was the last of the old guard- the last legacy of Reagan. We won't be electing any more Reagan-like Presidents after Bush. Bush had nothing to do with 9/11... Osama did. And sure "Osama was one of us and then he became one of them" but the bottom line is Osama did it. Bush is guilty of taking advantage of the free enterprise that is America. We don't feel as badly about Bush as you do, in fact we admire his willingness to set such a clear example of how to not do things correctly.
>>Are large numbers of American citizens rounded up and put in the Halliburton/FEMA concentration camps?<<
No.
>>Is martial law declared by the US government in the next 20 years?<<
No.
>>Does the government bring back the draft?<<
No.
>>Does water and/or food become scarce in the USA in the next 20 years?<<
No. Did you know a 79 cent bag of dried beans can feed ten people?
>>Does the economic collapse get so severe that most long-distance cross-country distribution of goods ceases?<<
No.
>>How high does the price of gasoline get?<<
The average price is about $4.50 a gallon, but you also have to ajust for inflation.
>>Wow, Peter, you just ain't listenin are you?<<
I don't blame him or anyone for asking the same questions- these are large concepts and require a detailed explanation to make sense, you guys are looking for a ten word response which is difficult and easy to misconstrue.
>>Does someone with the initials G.S. make any significant impact in the simulation/computer science areas?<<
Not that I know of.
>>The sphere sounds much like the movie "contact" with Jodie Foster. Is the sphere similiar to the sphere in that movie?<<
Very.
>>I think you feel the same way about your AISC as I do about my navigation system in my cell phone.<<
You know when you click START and SEARCH and that little dog pops up and you type something in and it searches for you... that's the idea except he lives in cyberspace and you can access him from any computer anywhere. And when he's in cyberspace, he's finding all kinds of cool things for you.
>>How can the US economy do "better" at the same time that a depression hits and the stock markets crash?<<
The economy and the stock markets are two seperate, yet somewhat connected things. The Federal budget and the GNP is trillions of dollars. Although most of these monies go to keeping street lights on and such, this kind of money can get a whole lot done. Politics is the process of explaining to the people why you're spending their hard earned monies where you are and our President-of-the-year has a large part in deciding where those extra monies go.
The stock market is regulated by the confidence of the people in American enterprise. When the stock market is down, people invest in federal securities, when it's up, people buy stocks. But the game itself is unfair- it's skewed towards Big Business- our current President calls this "economic stimulation". And you all (should) know that when your stock dividend is fifteen cents, the CEO's bonus is in the millions.
All of the pieces have been in play for quite some time in America, and what is to come is no surprise. But don't worry- there won't be people dying on the streets or roving bands of looters or a wholesale breakdown in civility. You folks just gotta realize the ten bucks you just spent on lunch is enough money to feed and entire family and just because "new and improved" just came out, "old and unimproved" still works.
What's coming is change- change to the entire system, brought on my a decade of overspending. Our taxes won't go up, but they'll get less done. How much are we spending in Iraq?
>>Also, does history finally conclude that Bush stole the 2000 election? The 2004 election? That he or his people were involved in the planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks?<<
Bush was the last of the old guard- the last legacy of Reagan. We won't be electing any more Reagan-like Presidents after Bush. Bush had nothing to do with 9/11... Osama did. And sure "Osama was one of us and then he became one of them" but the bottom line is Osama did it. Bush is guilty of taking advantage of the free enterprise that is America. We don't feel as badly about Bush as you do, in fact we admire his willingness to set such a clear example of how to not do things correctly.
>>Are large numbers of American citizens rounded up and put in the Halliburton/FEMA concentration camps?<<
No.
>>Is martial law declared by the US government in the next 20 years?<<
No.
>>Does the government bring back the draft?<<
No.
>>Does water and/or food become scarce in the USA in the next 20 years?<<
No. Did you know a 79 cent bag of dried beans can feed ten people?
>>Does the economic collapse get so severe that most long-distance cross-country distribution of goods ceases?<<
No.
>>How high does the price of gasoline get?<<
The average price is about $4.50 a gallon, but you also have to ajust for inflation.
>>Wow, Peter, you just ain't listenin are you?<<
I don't blame him or anyone for asking the same questions- these are large concepts and require a detailed explanation to make sense, you guys are looking for a ten word response which is difficult and easy to misconstrue.
>>Does someone with the initials G.S. make any significant impact in the simulation/computer science areas?<<
Not that I know of.
>>The sphere sounds much like the movie "contact" with Jodie Foster. Is the sphere similiar to the sphere in that movie?<<
Very.
>>I think you feel the same way about your AISC as I do about my navigation system in my cell phone.<<
You know when you click START and SEARCH and that little dog pops up and you type something in and it searches for you... that's the idea except he lives in cyberspace and you can access him from any computer anywhere. And when he's in cyberspace, he's finding all kinds of cool things for you.
Peter_Novak
Quantum Scribe
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
Titorian, thank you for your swift and courteous response. Although I do not intend to be argumentative or contentious, I would like to ask a follow up question if I might, so as to better wrap my mind around what you are saying.
In response to my question "How can the US economy do "better" at the same time that a depression hits and the stock markets crash?", you answered
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to me that this really addresses the question I asked, which specifically requested that you explain how the economy could be good during a depression. According to Wikipedia, a depression is specifically an economic depression (unless you were referring to the psychological malady?). The way they define it, "A recession is traditionally defined in macroeconomics as a decline in a country's real Gross Domestic Product (GDP) for two or more successive quarters of a year (equivalently, two consecutive quarters of negative real economic growth). However this definition is not universally accepted. The National Bureau of Economic Research defines a recession more ambiguously as "a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months." A recession may involve simultaneous declines in coincident measures of overall economic activity such as employment, investment, and corporate profits. Recessions may be associated with falling prices (deflation), or, alternatively, sharply rising prices (inflation) in a process known as stagflation. A severe or long recession is referred to as an economic depression."
So I must ask yet again, how can the economy do "better" during a depression? I apologize in advance for being so dense.
Perhaps it would be easier to specify which areas of the economy do "better" and which areas go into a "depression"? Generally, when the economy is doing "better", unemployment levels go down and GDP and the standard of living goes up. But in a "depression" the exact opposite things happen. So perhaps you can spell things out for us. Does unemployment go up or down? Does GDP go up or down? Dopes the average standard of living go up or down? You have already specified that the stock markets crash, which certainly makes it sound like business takes a hit, but if the "economy gets better" as you say, then apparently business does do better. I'm obviously very confused. Can you help me out here?
Also, I note that you predict that "our taxes won't go up, but they'll get less done." Can you be more specific? Which programs and social services are you saying are going to be cut soon? Is the military the only place where our money "gets less done" or do other governmental services and programs suffer as well?
- Peter
Titorian, thank you for your swift and courteous response. Although I do not intend to be argumentative or contentious, I would like to ask a follow up question if I might, so as to better wrap my mind around what you are saying.
In response to my question "How can the US economy do "better" at the same time that a depression hits and the stock markets crash?", you answered
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to me that this really addresses the question I asked, which specifically requested that you explain how the economy could be good during a depression. According to Wikipedia, a depression is specifically an economic depression (unless you were referring to the psychological malady?). The way they define it, "A recession is traditionally defined in macroeconomics as a decline in a country's real Gross Domestic Product (GDP) for two or more successive quarters of a year (equivalently, two consecutive quarters of negative real economic growth). However this definition is not universally accepted. The National Bureau of Economic Research defines a recession more ambiguously as "a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months." A recession may involve simultaneous declines in coincident measures of overall economic activity such as employment, investment, and corporate profits. Recessions may be associated with falling prices (deflation), or, alternatively, sharply rising prices (inflation) in a process known as stagflation. A severe or long recession is referred to as an economic depression."
So I must ask yet again, how can the economy do "better" during a depression? I apologize in advance for being so dense.
Perhaps it would be easier to specify which areas of the economy do "better" and which areas go into a "depression"? Generally, when the economy is doing "better", unemployment levels go down and GDP and the standard of living goes up. But in a "depression" the exact opposite things happen. So perhaps you can spell things out for us. Does unemployment go up or down? Does GDP go up or down? Dopes the average standard of living go up or down? You have already specified that the stock markets crash, which certainly makes it sound like business takes a hit, but if the "economy gets better" as you say, then apparently business does do better. I'm obviously very confused. Can you help me out here?
Also, I note that you predict that "our taxes won't go up, but they'll get less done." Can you be more specific? Which programs and social services are you saying are going to be cut soon? Is the military the only place where our money "gets less done" or do other governmental services and programs suffer as well?
- Peter