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Pamela:

Please allow youe skepticism to bring you all the way to the simple conclusion that TT_0 is in fact NOT a time traveler.

I do not say this as a detriment to his words, (since I'm already on record as considering him to be a creative and intelligent person who has a lot to say philosophically), but merely that his declarations on being a time traveler are based on quantum theories that have already been clearly proven to NOT be so.

In other words, he CAN'T be.

But I still like him anyway.

Let him play out his fantasy. It's a good vehicle for his philosophical musings which are right on in many cases.

(See post above to Bob.)

Peace.

 
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Dear Deviper,

Yes According to modern theory as far as I know that it would take an infinite amount of energy to pry apart a hadron. Of course the way that this is stated is that it is impossible to pry apart hadrons.


This is speculative in that the scientists assume that no infinite amount of energy could be generated. However I beg to differ. The way my device will work is a fluke of the machanical setup.


By torqueing the field one compressed the field at a perpendicular angle and stretches the field at the parallel angle. By stretching the field in a vertical direction while simultaneously compressing the field in a horizontal angle the kenetic forces applied allow for the compression to be countered by the stretching such that the distribution of the field that propogates parallel is redistributed to propagate perpindicular while simultaneously the portion of the magnetic field that propagates perpendicular is redistributed to propagate parallel.


This creates a shearing force that reaches a critcal stage at the point that the field is constriced to bear the topology of an hourglass at 180 degrees of torque. Torqueing beyond this will pry a gap in the field because greater then infinite(or the upper limit) energy is applied in a given instant at a given point allotting the necesary work ( in watts I think) to pry apart the hadrons thus causing the splitting of hadrons or better yet fission of energy releasing ungodly amounts of energy.


Think of it like this when one splits a mass at the molecular level a small explosion accurs. When one splitts a mass at the nuclear level a very large explossion accurs. When one splitts mass at the energy level an even larger amount of energy will be released.

Edwin G. Schasteen
 
Dear Deviper,

Yes According to modern theory as far as I know that it would take an infinite amount of energy to pry apart a hadron. Of course the way that this is stated is that it is impossible to pry apart hadrons.

This is speculative in that the scientists assume that no infinite amount of energy could be generated. However I beg to differ. The way my device will work is a fluke of the machanical setup.

By torqueing the field one compressed the field at a perpendicular angle and stretches the field at the parallel angle. By stretching the field in a vertical direction while simultaneously compressing the field in a horizontal angle the kenetic forces applied allow for the compression to be countered by the stretching such that the distribution of the field that propogates parallel is redistributed to propagate perpindicular while simultaneously the portion of the magnetic field that propagates perpendicular is redistributed to propagate parallel.

This creates a shearing force that reaches a critcal stage at the point that the field is constriced to bear the topology of an hourglass at 180 degrees of torque. Torqueing beyond this will pry a gap in the field because greater then infinite(or the upper limit) energy is applied in a given instant at a given point allotting the necesary work ( in watts I think) to pry apart the hadrons thus causing the splitting of hadrons or better yet fission of energy releasing ungodly amounts of energy.

Think of it like this when one splits a mass at the molecular level a small explosion accurs. When one splitts a mass at the nuclear level a very large explossion accurs. When one splitts mass at the energy level an even larger amount of energy will be released.

Edwin G. Schasteen

 
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rgrunt:

I DO follow you here, and I like the fact that you are willing to challenge the conventional wisdom of Quantum Theory.

(To me, challenging "Conventional Wisdom" on ANYTHING is the path to discovery.)

Now I'm left with another question tho.

When you say:

"By stretching the field in a vertical direction while simultaneously compressing the field in a horizontal angle the kenetic forces applied allow for the compression to be countered by the stretching such that the distribution of the field that propogates parallel is redistributed to propagate perpindicular while simultaneously the portion of the magnetic field that propagates perpendicular is redistributed to propagate parallel."

...I have to ask,

Isn't this trying to apply conventional (macrocosmic) physics to the microcosmic world? Haven't we seen that such applications are not to be relied upon when dealing with Quanta?

I would not suggest that what YOU suggest can't be done, merely that the very ability to apply such principles at such a level does itself break down due to the inability to even measure the accuracy of microcosmic events with macrocosmic technology. Is this not the very foundation of why the Heisenberg Principle renders such applications even unmeasurable, let alone do-able?

It seems to me that the laws of physics as we know them to be at the macrocosmic level only ever will allow us to construct devices that can only ever react with the macrocosmic world.

The microcosmic world requires methods that are not necessarily applicable on the larger scale, and vice versa.

In short, I'm not sure the principles of "perpendicular" and "parallel" have any real meaning at the quantum level.

Thoughts?
 
rgrunt:

I DO follow you here, and I like the fact that you are willing to challenge the conventional wisdom of Quantum Theory.

(To me, challenging "Conventional Wisdom" on ANYTHING is the path to discovery.)

Now I'm left with another question tho.

When you say:

"By stretching the field in a vertical direction while simultaneously compressing the field in a horizontal angle the kenetic forces applied allow for the compression to be countered by the stretching such that the distribution of the field that propogates parallel is redistributed to propagate perpindicular while simultaneously the portion of the magnetic field that propagates perpendicular is redistributed to propagate parallel."

...I have to ask,

Isn't this trying to apply conventional (macrocosmic) physics to the microcosmic world? Haven't we seen that such applications are not to be relied upon when dealing with Quanta?

I would not suggest that what YOU suggest can't be done, merely that the very ability to apply such principles at such a level does itself break down due to the inability to even measure the accuracy of microcosmic events with macrocosmic technology. Is this not the very foundation of why the Heisenberg Principle renders such applications even unmeasurable, let alone do-able?

It seems to me that the laws of physics as we know them to be at the macrocosmic level only ever will allow us to construct devices that can only ever react with the macrocosmic world.

The microcosmic world requires methods that are not necessarily applicable on the larger scale, and vice versa.

In short, I'm not sure the principles of "perpendicular" and "parallel" have any real meaning at the quantum level.

Thoughts?

 
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Just a few words to you TT_0 if we don't hear from you again. I just want you to know this; you will not escape the truth that underneath all your numerous cleverly thought out, well crafted explaining of bailing your self out of stating to be a Time Traveler from the year 2036 (is that right?), that you are indeed a man with a hidden agenda. I can sense it, maybe others can too, but I’m hardly ever wrong about this. That’s just the way I feel you come off as.

So what could your hidden agenda be? Well I don’t sense you’re that inclined to want to fight our world problems. It seems all you like to do is hear your self-talk. And the more you do, it sounds more like your claims are more of a self proclamation you have, once done you can then acknowledge to your self that you managed to con a whole bunch of people to believe and follow you.

But you forgot to take in to consideration 1 thing when you came to this board. The human factor. That a few (close to maybe 2 or 3 people) in this message board would see beyond your well rehearsed (well written in speech and grammar) works of scientific explanation, and shut you up with plain basic truths of Right and Wrong.

Nevertheless, I hypothesize your out of material, and can no longer support your claims. Which is why you haven’t posted in over 2 weeks. The questions have been asked, and you answered most of them accurately (since they were all mostly questions about science).

So it is my conclusion that you are now probably home contemplating of what you learned from a race of humans your generation looks down on
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hehe. Or you can probably end up posting soon after everyone began calling up for your attention again.

What a coincidence that would be wouldn’t it? That your busy schedule suddenly opened up.

Either way, it sure would be interesting to hear what kinds of stories you’d share with us next. I know I’m anxious to hear them. How about you?

-Javier C.


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"For what was, for what is, and for what will be. I will fight for it's preservation."
 
Just a few words to you TT_0 if we don't hear from you again. I just want you to know this; you will not escape the truth that underneath all your numerous cleverly thought out, well crafted explaining of bailing your self out of stating to be a Time Traveler from the year 2036 (is that right?), that you are indeed a man with a hidden agenda. I can sense it, maybe others can too, but I’m hardly ever wrong about this. That’s just the way I feel you come off as.

So what could your hidden agenda be? Well I don’t sense you’re that inclined to want to fight our world problems. It seems all you like to do is hear your self-talk. And the more you do, it sounds more like your claims are more of a self proclamation you have, once done you can then acknowledge to your self that you managed to con a whole bunch of people to believe and follow you.

But you forgot to take in to consideration 1 thing when you came to this board. The human factor. That a few (close to maybe 2 or 3 people) in this message board would see beyond your well rehearsed (well written in speech and grammar) works of scientific explanation, and shut you up with plain basic truths of Right and Wrong.

Nevertheless, I hypothesize your out of material, and can no longer support your claims. Which is why you haven’t posted in over 2 weeks. The questions have been asked, and you answered most of them accurately (since they were all mostly questions about science).

So it is my conclusion that you are now probably home contemplating of what you learned from a race of humans your generation looks down on hehe. Or you can probably end up posting soon after everyone began calling up for your attention again.

What a coincidence that would be wouldn’t it? That your busy schedule suddenly opened up.

Either way, it sure would be interesting to hear what kinds of stories you’d share with us next. I know I’m anxious to hear them. How about you?

-Javier C.

 
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TT_0 was always saying he has nothing to prove to us..then WHY..WHY come to a TIME TRAVEL forum(and numerous others) to spout off your achievements..

now i believe TT_0's time machine is a fraud.

when the real questions popup he is as silent as a man with no tougue.

FastWalker2
 
TT_0 was always saying he has nothing to prove to us..then WHY..WHY come to a TIME TRAVEL forum(and numerous others) to spout off your achievements..

now i believe TT_0's time machine is a fraud.

when the real questions popup he is as silent as a man with no tougue.

FastWalker2

 
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He has nothing to prove to us because he is a writer who is looking for some interaction to help him construct the characters in his story. I woudln't be surprised to see a similar book or movie about this soon.

I tested him by first saying i was a writer of science fiction. Notice how he chose to ignore my comments and questions. I asked him again to tell us more about his observations of society... which he blatantly avoided by saying "ask me questions".

Since he has such a deep-seeded hate and despair for this time period (we caused the war he grew up with) it would seem that he would be more outspoken about it (which he was before). Now he is running out of new things to say, hoping that we will spark something new to finish off his novel.

Explain these points:

-he suddenly does not want to talk about society.

-he had time to learn how to write perfect english while he was growing up fighting war and now running his farm just to survive.

-before the election was decided, he said that the florida votes would never be counted. They were counted. (don't tell me that his landing in the 1970's caused the election to change)

-his use of "Gosub" as a metaphore for something. During his time period he would never have learned BASIC and the langauge. Even if his grandfather taught him about it he would still not be so familiar with it that he would use "Gosub" in a sentence not related to programming. Much more likely he grew up during the 1970's and is now in his mid 40's contemplating his life.

The point remains. His details are well thought out, but he doesn't have anything to prove to us. He won't respond to making a sound clip for us, which shows that he's not really interested in changing our timeline... a point which he has flipped back and forth on.

Now that we have cought on, and have not supplied interesting questions for him to explain, he is uninterested in us. A sign of selfishness, which by the way is the very trait that he blames us for.
 
He has nothing to prove to us because he is a writer who is looking for some interaction to help him construct the characters in his story. I woudln't be surprised to see a similar book or movie about this soon.

I tested him by first saying i was a writer of science fiction. Notice how he chose to ignore my comments and questions. I asked him again to tell us more about his observations of society... which he blatantly avoided by saying "ask me questions".

Since he has such a deep-seeded hate and despair for this time period (we caused the war he grew up with) it would seem that he would be more outspoken about it (which he was before). Now he is running out of new things to say, hoping that we will spark something new to finish off his novel.

Explain these points:

-he suddenly does not want to talk about society.

-he had time to learn how to write perfect english while he was growing up fighting war and now running his farm just to survive.

-before the election was decided, he said that the florida votes would never be counted. They were counted. (don't tell me that his landing in the 1970's caused the election to change)

-his use of "Gosub" as a metaphore for something. During his time period he would never have learned BASIC and the langauge. Even if his grandfather taught him about it he would still not be so familiar with it that he would use "Gosub" in a sentence not related to programming. Much more likely he grew up during the 1970's and is now in his mid 40's contemplating his life.

The point remains. His details are well thought out, but he doesn't have anything to prove to us. He won't respond to making a sound clip for us, which shows that he's not really interested in changing our timeline... a point which he has flipped back and forth on.

Now that we have cought on, and have not supplied interesting questions for him to explain, he is uninterested in us. A sign of selfishness, which by the way is the very trait that he blames us for.

 
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TT_O is now posting on the Art Bell web site Time Travel Forum under the name of John Titor. His thread is called "I Am From 2036".
 
TT_O is now posting on the Art Bell web site Time Travel Forum under the name of John Titor. His thread is called "I Am From 2036".

 
Greetings everyone! I’ve missed you all too. As I’m sure Pamela can tell you, my email system is made up of quite a few addresses, locations and computers. Some of them work better than others and for a period of time, I have been unable (in my own way) to get to this site. It appears I’ve come back at just the right moment.

I see you’re all asking yourselves questions about who I really am, what I want and why I’m here. Frankly, I really can’t blame you but perhaps it’s a bit easier now to understand why I not only didn’t expect you to believe me but I didn’t want you to. As far as my credibility, I thought we had reached some sort of happy medium and we could call each other friend.

I see however that may not be the case and I must admit I’m a bit disappointed. It seems that unless I follow your expectations of what a time traveler should be doing thinking or feeling than I must be a fraud. Or is it just safer to keep telling yourself that?

((im not paranoid(not too paranoid) but i think it was a terrible idea for TT0(if his story is true) to have told us anything about it.))

Where was this setiment and concern for my safety as I was telling my “story”?

((TT_0 was always saying he has nothing to prove to us..then WHY..WHY come to a TIME TRAVEL forum(and numerous others) to spout off your achievements..))

Is it really that hard to believe that plain old human interaction has it’s own merits?

((I do not say this as a detriment to his words, (since I'm already on record as considering him to be a creative and intelligent person who has a lot to say philosophically), but merely that his declarations on being a time traveler are based on quantum theories that have already been clearly proven to NOT be so.))

Which quantum theories are you talking about? Please forgive me but If I missed a question or if there was something else to go into I would have been happy to do so.

((Either way, it sure would be interesting to hear what kinds of stories you’d share with us next. I know I’m anxious to hear them. How about you?))

TTA wants to hear more from me? Now there’s a turn of events.

…and Borgus, I’m not even sure where to start. Please. Tell me how you really feel.
In retrospect, you do force me to examine whether or not talking like this was a good idea. I still think it was.
 
Greetings everyone! I’ve missed you all too. As I’m sure Pamela can tell you, my email system is made up of quite a few addresses, locations and computers. Some of them work better than others and for a period of time, I have been unable (in my own way) to get to this site. It appears I’ve come back at just the right moment.

I see you’re all asking yourselves questions about who I really am, what I want and why I’m here. Frankly, I really can’t blame you but perhaps it’s a bit easier now to understand why I not only didn’t expect you to believe me but I didn’t want you to. As far as my credibility, I thought we had reached some sort of happy medium and we could call each other friend.

I see however that may not be the case and I must admit I’m a bit disappointed. It seems that unless I follow your expectations of what a time traveler should be doing thinking or feeling than I must be a fraud. Or is it just safer to keep telling yourself that?

((im not paranoid(not too paranoid) but i think it was a terrible idea for TT0(if his story is true) to have told us anything about it.))

Where was this setiment and concern for my safety as I was telling my “story”?

((TT_0 was always saying he has nothing to prove to us..then WHY..WHY come to a TIME TRAVEL forum(and numerous others) to spout off your achievements..))

Is it really that hard to believe that plain old human interaction has it’s own merits?

((I do not say this as a detriment to his words, (since I'm already on record as considering him to be a creative and intelligent person who has a lot to say philosophically), but merely that his declarations on being a time traveler are based on quantum theories that have already been clearly proven to NOT be so.))

Which quantum theories are you talking about? Please forgive me but If I missed a question or if there was something else to go into I would have been happy to do so.

((Either way, it sure would be interesting to hear what kinds of stories you’d share with us next. I know I’m anxious to hear them. How about you?))

TTA wants to hear more from me? Now there’s a turn of events.

…and Borgus, I’m not even sure where to start. Please. Tell me how you really feel.

In retrospect, you do force me to examine whether or not talking like this was a good idea. I still think it was.

 
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"As I’m sure Pamela can tell you, my email system is made up of quite a few addresses, locations and computers. Some of them work better than others and for a period of time, I have been unable (in my own way) to get to this site."

Yes, I can verify this.

I think just because he couldnot get to this site for awhile was no excuse to attack him for not answering your questions.

I have been over to Art Bells board and really don't see any thing there that goes against what he said here. seems the same to me with some extra things.

Being skeptical is one thing... blaming and accusing is another.

I wouldnt blame him if he didnt want to post here anymore.

Borgus-you say he is uninterested in us. but he did supply a bunch of questions to us that only THREE people out of this whole board even answered! he wanted to know very much how you felt about these things but none of you answered him. yet.. you expected him to continue to answer YOUR questions.
thats not give and take..thats just all take.
and THAT my friend, is selfish.

I don't know if he is really a Time traveler or not. I have seen more and know more than all of you about this. which makes my decision harder.

I have considered all things... I am skeptical but I am also keeping all things in mind.Alot of good points were brought up on both sides.
I have decided skeptism is healthy for everyone.

I do know one thing though....he is a human being. And everyone deserves to be treated with respect as a human being. timetraveler or not.

By the way, I will be gone for about a week and will have no computer access where I am going. I just wanted to mention that so if anybody asks me a question and I don't answer... you will know why and I won't be unneccesarily attacked by anyone.
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-pamela
 
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