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TT_0,

I just have 1 word to describe your last post to me. Arrogant.

Mr. Moderator,

A person doesn't have to be aggressive to be a @&^$#%. As you can tell, he's been using his superior intellect, to manipulate and control his agenda here. Or am I the only one who can see that?

Oh and just one more thing TT_0. I don't like arrogant people, phony people, people that exploit others. Do you fall under those requirements? Of course you do. You’re an opportunist, and it's sickening to me.

So to directly answer your question, NO! I don’t like you.

Do you not wish to acknowledge what you have accomplished here? The people you have ready to back you up and to defend you? You have power, status. And you know it.

But then again, when the Anti-Christ comes into power, he won’t acknowledge his power and control of things just yet. He has an agenda, just like you do TT_0.

Left behind was a really good movie. Anybody here seen it?

By the way, what’s your religion TT_0?

-Javier C.

[This message has been edited by Enforcer of Time (edited 14 February 2001).]

 
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rgrunt:

Yes I think originally the wave vs. particle dispute was fueld by this seeming "paradox" but if memory serves me correctly, it has now become an issue of our inability to determined the time interval between cause and effect. i.e. the so called inability we suffer from to be able to measure acurately at the quantum level. The Heisenberg Principle if you will. The polarized double slit experiment produces results that for a while led some to speculate that events were occurring SIMULTANEOUSLY in two places at once.

This led to Wave Collapse Theory which Einstein called a "Spooky force at a distance" and never really bought into it as I recall.

It sounds to me a lot like you are headed in the direction of trying to tackle this problem. I'd say, "Good luck". Especially if you can pull it off.

When you say:
"...I believe that I may be on the track to solving this phenomenon or on the track to making a big scientific error."

My response is...

"Aren't we all my friend. Aren't we all".

(Smile)

admin:

Thank you for the recent post.

I too see this as a place of speculation and discovery. That's why I come here.

For what's it worth, I personally have never seen a problem with TT_0's posts since it's quite obvious that he is a fantasizer of fictional possibilities and quite a good one at that.

He seems polite to me, and I can't for one see what all the fuss is about. He does have creative ideas.

It's nice to remember to not take oneself TOO seriously here, but as rgrunt has pointed out, (in so many words), even being wrong is itself an educational experience.

Peace to all.

This is supposed to be a fun board. Lets have fun.

Besides, we're ALL amateurs here and we all know it.

Professional Quantum Theorists don't hang out on boards like this.

(Smile)
 
rgrunt:

Yes I think originally the wave vs. particle dispute was fueld by this seeming "paradox" but if memory serves me correctly, it has now become an issue of our inability to determined the time interval between cause and effect. i.e. the so called inability we suffer from to be able to measure acurately at the quantum level. The Heisenberg Principle if you will. The polarized double slit experiment produces results that for a while led some to speculate that events were occurring SIMULTANEOUSLY in two places at once.

This led to Wave Collapse Theory which Einstein called a "Spooky force at a distance" and never really bought into it as I recall.

It sounds to me a lot like you are headed in the direction of trying to tackle this problem. I'd say, "Good luck". Especially if you can pull it off.

When you say:

"...I believe that I may be on the track to solving this phenomenon or on the track to making a big scientific error."

My response is...

"Aren't we all my friend. Aren't we all".

(Smile)

admin:

Thank you for the recent post.

I too see this as a place of speculation and discovery. That's why I come here.

For what's it worth, I personally have never seen a problem with TT_0's posts since it's quite obvious that he is a fantasizer of fictional possibilities and quite a good one at that.

He seems polite to me, and I can't for one see what all the fuss is about. He does have creative ideas.

It's nice to remember to not take oneself TOO seriously here, but as rgrunt has pointed out, (in so many words), even being wrong is itself an educational experience.

Peace to all.

This is supposed to be a fun board. Lets have fun.

Besides, we're ALL amateurs here and we all know it.

Professional Quantum Theorists don't hang out on boards like this.

(Smile)

 
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Indeed viper.

A profssional quantun theorist will have his head full of too much crap to even start understanding anything like time travel.

-Admin
 
Indeed viper.

A profssional quantun theorist will have his head full of too much crap to even start understanding anything like time travel.

-Admin

 
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If any one belives this guy they are dumb.he is a guy in his late 50s that needs a life.He stays home all day and thinks of this stuff.I do KNOW the goverment has its secrets but this is to predicable.what the goverment has you are me could never know.and if some one had this infomation he would be to powerful.It would be to bad to even think about.the goverment woud not let it happen.all men fear the same thing to be beating in there game.so the goverment would not let that happen think would you let some one take over you knolege is MY only weopoen and i use it when i can.and anti knolege is it worst enemy.Just think!
 
If any one belives this guy they are dumb.he is a guy in his late 50s that needs a life.He stays home all day and thinks of this stuff.I do KNOW the goverment has its secrets but this is to predicable.what the goverment has you are me could never know.and if some one had this infomation he would be to powerful.It would be to bad to even think about.the goverment woud not let it happen.all men fear the same thing to be beating in there game.so the goverment would not let that happen think would you let some one take over you knolege is MY only weopoen and i use it when i can.and anti knolege is it worst enemy.Just think!

 
*chin in hand reading*

I would have thought that issue was one of measurement due to technological limitations... If measuring wave ..unable to simultaneously measure particle and vice versa.. is this the paradox of which you are conversing on DaViper and rgrunt?

...and each must learn to laugh at oneself before truly understaning how to laugh with another...

Be safe and dream sweetly.

WS
 
*chin in hand reading*

I would have thought that issue was one of measurement due to technological limitations... If measuring wave ..unable to simultaneously measure particle and vice versa.. is this the paradox of which you are conversing on DaViper and rgrunt?

...and each must learn to laugh at oneself before truly understaning how to laugh with another...

Be safe and dream sweetly.

WS

 
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Yes I believe that is the theory the topic that we are discussing. I am aware of the limitations of our technology and it is a good question as to wheather or not it is the measuring equipment that produces the affect(paradox) or if the particle is truelly in the form of a wave and sometimes in the form of a particle.

However to me the energy density verses space-time density is merely a simple coscept of one kind of energy occupying energy in the form of a container(space). A simple visual aid to help assist in visualizing the conscept that I am suggesting is to take a single piece of string and tie the ends together so that you have a loop. Now take the loop of string and make a one-half twist so that you have a figure eight.


Now hold the figure eight out in front of you so that the figure eight looks like the infinity symbal. Let the loop that is pointing to your right represent energy and it's density, let the loop that is pointing to the your left represent the density and quantity of space-time that is occupied by the energy.


Now if you increase the radius of the right loop-which symbolizes the energy the left loop will decrease in size and density. If you make the right loop twice it's original size the left loop representing space will shrink to half it's size.


This is the conscept that I am suggesting is accuring with electrons and all energy and mass. Energy occupies space such that when you increase the density of energy the partical absorbs energy from the space that it occupies thus decreasing the density and space that the partical of energy occupies through displacement.


This results in a decrease in the radius of the partical as a result that the particle has more quatity gained from the vacuum of space and has a smaller radius and thus a greater density.


I would say that the the majority and most likely all the extra density gained by and electron of high energy interaction would be absorbed solely from the space-time that the energy occupies resulting in a low space-time pressure intertial hole in the within the quantum matter making up the electrons energy.


I would say that there would be a low pressure region of space-time around the electron itself caused by the space-time of high density surrounding the electron gravitating towards the intertial hole created by the displacement of space-time quantity into electron density.


So I believe that the electron does not absorb energy from the surounding space-time quantity to create the gravitational field surrounding the electron but absorbs the space-time quantity from into energy to add density to the electron during high energy interactions only from the space-time that the electron occupies and that the gravitational field surrounding the electron is caused by the space around the electron to gravitate towards the intertial hole or low space-time pressure within the area that the electron is localized.

This, in my oppinion, is a static system and that the space-time does not flow into the electron from outside the electron but creates a static flow into the electron.

An easy visual aid to observe this kind of phenomenon is to observe the spinning candy cain pole at your local barber shop. Notice that the red and white spirals(helixes) do not actually move up to the top of the cylindrical cain but the rotation of the cylinder makes it appear as though the red and white spirals move toward the top of the candy cain pole.


The helix of the spinning candy pole can represent the space-time in the form of helixical waves spiraling towards the electron mass of low space-time density as a result of the centripital(or centrifical) forces(I am always getting these two confused) at work within the electron.


It is sort of like the whirl wind created in a blender. The water does not flow through the bottom of the blender but all the blobs of chocolate mix is carried by the water toward the blades of the blender. The low pressure created by the spinning blades combined with the torque of the blades creates the static whirl wind affect which is quite similar to the dynamic whirl wind affect created by the water draining in your toilet when you flush it.


The space time quantity is laiden with all kinds of waves fields of space-time quantity but when the low pressure space-time is created by the presence of dense energy the space-time waves of high pressure gravitate towards the space-time of low pressure creating the spin affect of the space-time waves and fields. This process creates a dynamical flow of energy in the form of energy or mass(not space) toward the region of low space-time density in the same way that the nestles quik is carried on the milk that is spinning in the blender toward the low pressure milk at the surface of the blender blades.


What I mean by "the energy and mass are dynamic and space is not" is merely that the chocalate coco moves toward the blades of the blender but the milk itself as a whole does moves very little towards the blades of the blender if at all.

What does everyone think? Does any of this make sense?

Inquisitively,

Edwin G. Schasteen
 
Yes I believe that is the theory the topic that we are discussing. I am aware of the limitations of our technology and it is a good question as to wheather or not it is the measuring equipment that produces the affect(paradox) or if the particle is truelly in the form of a wave and sometimes in the form of a particle.

However to me the energy density verses space-time density is merely a simple coscept of one kind of energy occupying energy in the form of a container(space). A simple visual aid to help assist in visualizing the conscept that I am suggesting is to take a single piece of string and tie the ends together so that you have a loop. Now take the loop of string and make a one-half twist so that you have a figure eight.

Now hold the figure eight out in front of you so that the figure eight looks like the infinity symbal. Let the loop that is pointing to your right represent energy and it's density, let the loop that is pointing to the your left represent the density and quantity of space-time that is occupied by the energy.

Now if you increase the radius of the right loop-which symbolizes the energy the left loop will decrease in size and density. If you make the right loop twice it's original size the left loop representing space will shrink to half it's size.

This is the conscept that I am suggesting is accuring with electrons and all energy and mass. Energy occupies space such that when you increase the density of energy the partical absorbs energy from the space that it occupies thus decreasing the density and space that the partical of energy occupies through displacement.

This results in a decrease in the radius of the partical as a result that the particle has more quatity gained from the vacuum of space and has a smaller radius and thus a greater density.

I would say that the the majority and most likely all the extra density gained by and electron of high energy interaction would be absorbed solely from the space-time that the energy occupies resulting in a low space-time pressure intertial hole in the within the quantum matter making up the electrons energy.

I would say that there would be a low pressure region of space-time around the electron itself caused by the space-time of high density surrounding the electron gravitating towards the intertial hole created by the displacement of space-time quantity into electron density.

So I believe that the electron does not absorb energy from the surounding space-time quantity to create the gravitational field surrounding the electron but absorbs the space-time quantity from into energy to add density to the electron during high energy interactions only from the space-time that the electron occupies and that the gravitational field surrounding the electron is caused by the space around the electron to gravitate towards the intertial hole or low space-time pressure within the area that the electron is localized.

This, in my oppinion, is a static system and that the space-time does not flow into the electron from outside the electron but creates a static flow into the electron.

An easy visual aid to observe this kind of phenomenon is to observe the spinning candy cain pole at your local barber shop. Notice that the red and white spirals(helixes) do not actually move up to the top of the cylindrical cain but the rotation of the cylinder makes it appear as though the red and white spirals move toward the top of the candy cain pole.

The helix of the spinning candy pole can represent the space-time in the form of helixical waves spiraling towards the electron mass of low space-time density as a result of the centripital(or centrifical) forces(I am always getting these two confused) at work within the electron.

It is sort of like the whirl wind created in a blender. The water does not flow through the bottom of the blender but all the blobs of chocolate mix is carried by the water toward the blades of the blender. The low pressure created by the spinning blades combined with the torque of the blades creates the static whirl wind affect which is quite similar to the dynamic whirl wind affect created by the water draining in your toilet when you flush it.

The space time quantity is laiden with all kinds of waves fields of space-time quantity but when the low pressure space-time is created by the presence of dense energy the space-time waves of high pressure gravitate towards the space-time of low pressure creating the spin affect of the space-time waves and fields. This process creates a dynamical flow of energy in the form of energy or mass(not space) toward the region of low space-time density in the same way that the nestles quik is carried on the milk that is spinning in the blender toward the low pressure milk at the surface of the blender blades.

What I mean by "the energy and mass are dynamic and space is not" is merely that the chocalate coco moves toward the blades of the blender but the milk itself as a whole does moves very little towards the blades of the blender if at all.

What does everyone think? Does any of this make sense?

Inquisitively,

Edwin G. Schasteen

 
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*smiling*

Excellent visual analogy rgrunt. You described it perfectly to enable a vision to be built. Thank you.

Be safe and dream sweetly.

WS

 
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Ditto to WanderingSoul in the endorsement of your analogies rgrunt.

It would be very interesting to discover that you are indeed correct if you are.

Your depiction of how you see it working is an excellent one.

I suspect you have some background in Quantum Physics but as our moderator has pointed out, perhaps your mind is not "...full of too much crap" to keep you from speculating in areas where other more professional theorists wouldn't even dare go.

I like that.

Good luck.
 
Ditto to WanderingSoul in the endorsement of your analogies rgrunt.

It would be very interesting to discover that you are indeed correct if you are.

Your depiction of how you see it working is an excellent one.

I suspect you have some background in Quantum Physics but as our moderator has pointed out, perhaps your mind is not "...full of too much crap" to keep you from speculating in areas where other more professional theorists wouldn't even dare go.

I like that.

Good luck.

 
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Gee, I wonder where John, opps I mean TT_0 is.

Well I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions on both forums TT_0.

You left just when the answering part was getting good.

This must be a real big problem for a TimeTraveler to log on to the internet in this timeline. Considering how it's free and all
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www.netzero.com & www.bluelight.com

Hope to hear from you soon. And to hear your well crafted answers.

-Javier C.
 
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