RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Zeshua claimed to be a Time Traveler. Hence, all her threads belong under TT Claims.
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RMT
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To All! The TRUTH about JT from 2026!
- Thread starter Zeshua
- Start date
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Tired old Peter...keeps resurrecting his Zeshua hopes, but at the same time ignoring the pertinent questions that have been asked (but not answered)
But Peter, I already explained a problem when I asked you this question:
You never answered my (pertinent) question. You assume the relationship of (non-white-space) lines to Nitescott numbers is one-to-one. But without deciphering Zeshua's "code" how can you be sure each line represents each number?
We are still waiting...
RMT
But Peter, I already explained a problem when I asked you this question:
You never answered my (pertinent) question. You assume the relationship of (non-white-space) lines to Nitescott numbers is one-to-one. But without deciphering Zeshua's "code" how can you be sure each line represents each number?
We are still waiting...
RMT
reactor1967
Quantum Scribe
Ok, thanks for explaining. I don,t think my cartoon should of been a big deal. Zeshua and HDRKID seem very much alike except for the difference you pointed out that I did not see. One thing still confuses me. Does not the kid claims to know the future but he can,t time travel, Zeshua claims to be a time traveler, My method (which I am not debating.) I can,t leave the timeline but I call it time travel and who ever uses it as a time traveler because with it they are seeing the future or the past or non-reality. The standards for being in claims seems to be a gray area which can be confusing at times. Im, done. Back to the topic of this thread.
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Excuse me, Mr. Challenged-by-the-English-language? What "locked up" are you referring to? All of Zeshua's threads are unlocked.
RMT
recall15
Dimensional Traveler
The Smoking Gun:
Quoted:
<font color="red"> Re: Greetings from 2025. new [re: Zeshua]
02/22/08 08:50 AM (71.107.155.100)
Edit post Edit Reply to this post Reply
In reply to:
You won't believe what is going to happen to you next.
Au Contraire, mon frer! It is YOU who will not believe what is going to happen to YOU next! This thread is closed because it is in the wrong forum! You should know by now Zesh old pal, old buddy, that you should be posting your TT claims in the TT claims board. What is most amazing (and which continues to serve to debunk your silly claims) is that if you actually were posting from the future, you would have known by now that I would close this thread and tell you to "move it or lose it".
RMT
"Whatever happens will be," - All I Want, Toad The Wet Sprocket - 1991 [/COLOR]
end quoted
When you looked them in the past years...
Sorry but Now is to late... Commander RMT Against The Time-travelers movement of TTI
Quoted:
<font color="red"> Re: Greetings from 2025. new [re: Zeshua]
02/22/08 08:50 AM (71.107.155.100)
Edit post Edit Reply to this post Reply
In reply to:
You won't believe what is going to happen to you next.
Au Contraire, mon frer! It is YOU who will not believe what is going to happen to YOU next! This thread is closed because it is in the wrong forum! You should know by now Zesh old pal, old buddy, that you should be posting your TT claims in the TT claims board. What is most amazing (and which continues to serve to debunk your silly claims) is that if you actually were posting from the future, you would have known by now that I would close this thread and tell you to "move it or lose it".
RMT
"Whatever happens will be," - All I Want, Toad The Wet Sprocket - 1991 [/COLOR]
end quoted
When you looked them in the past years...
Sorry but Now is to late... Commander RMT Against The Time-travelers movement of TTI
Darby
Epochal Historian
Recall,
Are you a dolt by design or is it just a matter of genetics?
Ray didn't lock Zeshua's thread. It was locked by MOP - with an explanation. It was not punative. He clearly said that the size of the thread was causing problems for the site.
MOP lost the entire original John Titor thread "Time Travel Paradoxes" because the file got too big and it crashed. The original file on his server was corrupted and lost. The only reason that we have any copies of that thread is because Pamela and I had downloaded copies of the thread before it crashed. We did lose a few posts but not everything.
MOP doesn't want that to happen again. He saw problems coming down the pike, recognized what was causing the problems and took appropriate action. He locked the thread and explained why.
But you already knew that. You raised a troll "complaint" just to raise a troll complaint because that's how you entertain yourself on this forum.
Are you a dolt by design or is it just a matter of genetics?
Ray didn't lock Zeshua's thread. It was locked by MOP - with an explanation. It was not punative. He clearly said that the size of the thread was causing problems for the site.
MOP lost the entire original John Titor thread "Time Travel Paradoxes" because the file got too big and it crashed. The original file on his server was corrupted and lost. The only reason that we have any copies of that thread is because Pamela and I had downloaded copies of the thread before it crashed. We did lose a few posts but not everything.
MOP doesn't want that to happen again. He saw problems coming down the pike, recognized what was causing the problems and took appropriate action. He locked the thread and explained why.
But you already knew that. You raised a troll "complaint" just to raise a troll complaint because that's how you entertain yourself on this forum.
recall15
Dimensional Traveler
This questions shall be used 2 ways you know, Sub-Commander Darby of the Liberation of TTI?
i asking specific regarding the reply of the post Commander RMT make there:
Quoted:
<font color="red"> Re: Greetings from 2025. new [re: Zeshua]
02/22/08 08:50 AM (71.107.155.100)
Edit post Edit Reply to this post Reply
In reply to:
You won't believe what is going to happen to you next.
Au Contraire, mon frer! It is YOU who will not believe what is going to happen to YOU next! This thread is closed because it is in the wrong forum! You should know by now Zesh old pal, old buddy, that you should be posting your TT claims in the TT claims board. What is most amazing (and which continues to serve to debunk your silly claims) is that if you actually were posting from the future, you would have known by now that I would close this thread and tell you to "move it or lose it".
RMT
"Whatever happens will be," - All I Want, Toad The Wet Sprocket - 1991 [/COLOR]
end quoted...
may i ask what part of the text in red above did you fail to understand? Dear Sub-Commander?
The entertainer looks to be another FISH than me...
And MOP did/CAN not post the above...
OWN3D!
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Thread locked for JUST CAUSE. IOW, you have no room to gripe. The rules were broken.
And what is most amusing is that this was allegedly coming from someone posting in the "future" hence they should have KNOWN they would get bounced/locked for posting in the wrong forum.
RMT
Twighlight
Quantum Scribe
There's always a war looming on the horizon. There's always going to be a plane crash soon, or an earthquake soon, or whatever.
The whole basis of time traveller predictions is just like your daily horoscope.....be as vague as possible, then you can claim what would almost certainly have happened anyway as being 'fulfilled'.
OR...
If one does decide to go overboard and commit to specific events, make sure that you have " Oh but there was a divergence in the timeline " as a handy backup when they fail.
Twighlight
Quantum Scribe
Largely because of the unerring ability of alleged time travellers to never get one right !
The trouble with people hoaxing the future from today's perspective is that all they can do is try to work out a 'likely' future based on current trends......and hope that they are vague enough to hit a target.
But let's face it......Titor could have told us there'd be a black president, yet he didn't. He could not even forecast something that was likely. What a glaring omission !
And of course.....lol.....Titor then contrives some story to make sure that he's 'unavailable' to comment on his failed predictions.
Peter_Novak
Quantum Scribe
Re: the \"twist\"
According to my records, Zeshua made mention of “the twist†on a total of 12 occasions. Here are those references, not necessarily in the order originally given):
1.
Q. "Will there be a war/civil war in the future?"
S. The Civil War, its not what you think it will be, its not started by anything you might think. No its not Yellowstone erupting.... The Civil War, which is more of a Global Civil War, is the same all over the globe. It is truly a David versus Goliath scenario and this is one thing JT never said, this is a worldwide phenomenon. It just happens to be Focused on the United States. You will feel as though you've just been through a movie in which the last 5 minutes changed the entire first 2 hours of the movie, the Twist, as it were, which Cannot be guessed (we are sure, you have Tried, every single time), and cannot be revealed, is very "Unexpected". Once the initial panic is over, the confusion sets in, this is the time Big Brother steps in and you no longer have that cushy 100% freedom you treasure so Dearly. Well, get Used to it.
2.
S. I Might also make the suggestion you study the JT Prophecies and how they fit in with what Malachy had said. Disbelief and Misinformation comes in the form of being "Vague" but to a "Point". For Example, to answer your question about Arafat and The Pope. Perhaps this Analogy would work best. Imagine if you will all of these large domino's being setup, all over the world. Interlinking countries, Dictators, Rulers, Presidents, Leaders. Arafat, Terri Schiavo, The Pope, are exactly like this, stand them up carefully and watch them all fall in succession. I Might add, the thing about Domino's is, you find it almost impossible to stop them once the chain reaction of events has started. All it needs is One Catalyst, One starting point, something to set it off. Or what I refer to as "The Twist".
3.
Q. What's "the twist"? Is it religious, political, psychological, archaeological, or astronomical?
S. No, no, it is psychological in basis, no, no.
4.
Q. Re: ["The twist"] is psychological in basis.... > Oh. Oh my. I do hope we can discuss that a bit more. > My research into the binary soul doctrine convinced me long ago that the prophesied "Judgment Day" scenario would primarily be and result in a psychological transformation and reorientation of the human species. Perhaps of a magnitude similar to that described by Julian Jaynes in his seminal book "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind".
S. Of The Ultimate Magnitude. It is psychological in nature, and thus, unavoidable unless the society at a whole were capable of change. Which I assure you it is, it only takes one major setback before people are willing to Wake Up.
5.
S. Please keep in mind, there is only one timeline, it is in constant flux. John Titor never mentioned the Twist that will leave many in the world shocked. John Titor also spoke of a Nuclear War, however he left out a lot of details and left open to interpretation many of the exact same details I would be required to leave open.
6.
S. I know that nobody has guessed the twist because its one of the questions I have repeated and kept track of, the counter is still set at Zero and will be raised to 1 if someone emails me and knows the specific event I am referring to.
7.
Q. Does Nostradamus discuss the Telluride Occurrence or the Twist? If so, where?
S. Here is one interpretation of a Nostradamus Quatraine. As you know, Nostradamus wrote in French so these are Translations/Interpretations.
"For seven days the great star will burn, The cloud shall make two suns to appear: The big mastiff will howl all night When the great pontiff changes country."
8.
Q. You say that after the Twist, people will wonder greatly about our world, and will not see it the same way again. And you say that this evil person who acquires control over the collective unconscious will be a master of illusion who can alter our perception of reality. Are they related? Does this evil person directly cause the Twist?
S. Yes, they are related. Purposefully, Intently, Indirectly!
9.
Q. Is the Twist the awaking of mankind's collective unconscious? Or does the awaking of the collective unconscious cause the Twist?
S. No, but wouldn't that have been a wonderful outcome. We didn't wake up until After we "Got It".
10.
Q. You speak of a computer virus sweeping the globe in 24 hours. Is this related to the "Telluride
Occurrence"? Is this related to the "Twist"?
S. I Cannot answer this question.
11.
Q. Is this the correct cause-and-effect sequence of events : the "Twist" comes first, which triggers the economic collapse, which triggers social chaos, which triggers the war ?
S. Good Question. More like in Reverse my friend. The War, triggers Social Chaos, which affects World Trade, which causes Economic Collapse and brings about the Twist in which you realize All that has been going on was but the Tip of the Iceberg. Are you familiar with this term? This is among the reasons why it cannot be guessed. It will have already occurred, Its existence in public form will be delayed.
12.
S. The Crisis is the Catalyst, it is what leads up to the events. Certain chain reactions of events already set
into place. Even stopping one cannot stop the whole set of events which are cascading. The Twist, merely the point in which the General Public realizes they had been living with this set of circumstances, All Along.
Here is my own personal interpretation of those statements:
The Twist cannot be guessed, and Titor did not mention it. It is not a religious, political, archaeological, or astronomical event. It occurs during a chain reaction of world events that cascade one after another. The Twist comes at the end of a specific sequence : war triggers social chaos, which affects world trade, which causes economic collapse, and that brings about the Twist. However, although the Twist comes in the middle of a chain reaction of events, it itself is also a catalyst that sets off another chain of events all over the world, including and affecting interlinking countries, dictators, rulers, presidents, and leaders.
The Twist will leave the world shocked. The Twist is primarily psychological, and produces psychological changes of great magnitude in our culture. The Twist is a public realization or revelation about conditions or situations that have already occurred. When the Twist arrives, society will realize that all that has been going on was but the Tip of the Iceberg. The Twist is “merelyâ€the point in which the General Public realizes we have been living with this set of circumstances, all along. After the Twist, people wonder greatly about our world, and will never see it the same way again. This Twist will cause our culture to re-evaluate and revise our previous views on history. It will initially cause panic, and then confusion, and then a Big Brother police state takes over. The Twist is related to Titor’s Civil War, since Sara initially mentioned it in response to a question about the war.
One Nostradamus quatrain seems to describe the Twist :
"For seven days the great star will burn,
The cloud shall make two suns to appear:
The big mastiff will howl all night
When the great pontiff changes country."
The Entertainer who acquires control over the collective unconscious is purposefully and intently related to the Twist, but is not directly related to it.
Now, regarding the bit about
"it occurs during a chain reaction of social and political events that cascade one after another. The Twist comes at the end of a specific sequence : war triggers social chaos, which affects world trade, which causes economic collapse, and that brings about the Twist. The Twist occurs after, and as a direct consequence of, the economic collapse †,
War seems to start the event sequence that leads to the twist, but I don’t think this is either the Iraq or Afghanistan wars, because Zeshua uses the word “cascadeâ€, which I take to mean “in rapid successionâ€, as if the time between the start of the war and the arrival of the Twist is not very long at all. I find myself wondering if that war is the same “Middle East War†she has warned about starting before the end of this year, and if the expected Israeli attack on Iran is what will start this whole ball rolling."
According to my records, Zeshua made mention of “the twist†on a total of 12 occasions. Here are those references, not necessarily in the order originally given):
1.
Q. "Will there be a war/civil war in the future?"
S. The Civil War, its not what you think it will be, its not started by anything you might think. No its not Yellowstone erupting.... The Civil War, which is more of a Global Civil War, is the same all over the globe. It is truly a David versus Goliath scenario and this is one thing JT never said, this is a worldwide phenomenon. It just happens to be Focused on the United States. You will feel as though you've just been through a movie in which the last 5 minutes changed the entire first 2 hours of the movie, the Twist, as it were, which Cannot be guessed (we are sure, you have Tried, every single time), and cannot be revealed, is very "Unexpected". Once the initial panic is over, the confusion sets in, this is the time Big Brother steps in and you no longer have that cushy 100% freedom you treasure so Dearly. Well, get Used to it.
2.
S. I Might also make the suggestion you study the JT Prophecies and how they fit in with what Malachy had said. Disbelief and Misinformation comes in the form of being "Vague" but to a "Point". For Example, to answer your question about Arafat and The Pope. Perhaps this Analogy would work best. Imagine if you will all of these large domino's being setup, all over the world. Interlinking countries, Dictators, Rulers, Presidents, Leaders. Arafat, Terri Schiavo, The Pope, are exactly like this, stand them up carefully and watch them all fall in succession. I Might add, the thing about Domino's is, you find it almost impossible to stop them once the chain reaction of events has started. All it needs is One Catalyst, One starting point, something to set it off. Or what I refer to as "The Twist".
3.
Q. What's "the twist"? Is it religious, political, psychological, archaeological, or astronomical?
S. No, no, it is psychological in basis, no, no.
4.
Q. Re: ["The twist"] is psychological in basis.... > Oh. Oh my. I do hope we can discuss that a bit more. > My research into the binary soul doctrine convinced me long ago that the prophesied "Judgment Day" scenario would primarily be and result in a psychological transformation and reorientation of the human species. Perhaps of a magnitude similar to that described by Julian Jaynes in his seminal book "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind".
S. Of The Ultimate Magnitude. It is psychological in nature, and thus, unavoidable unless the society at a whole were capable of change. Which I assure you it is, it only takes one major setback before people are willing to Wake Up.
5.
S. Please keep in mind, there is only one timeline, it is in constant flux. John Titor never mentioned the Twist that will leave many in the world shocked. John Titor also spoke of a Nuclear War, however he left out a lot of details and left open to interpretation many of the exact same details I would be required to leave open.
6.
S. I know that nobody has guessed the twist because its one of the questions I have repeated and kept track of, the counter is still set at Zero and will be raised to 1 if someone emails me and knows the specific event I am referring to.
7.
Q. Does Nostradamus discuss the Telluride Occurrence or the Twist? If so, where?
S. Here is one interpretation of a Nostradamus Quatraine. As you know, Nostradamus wrote in French so these are Translations/Interpretations.
"For seven days the great star will burn, The cloud shall make two suns to appear: The big mastiff will howl all night When the great pontiff changes country."
8.
Q. You say that after the Twist, people will wonder greatly about our world, and will not see it the same way again. And you say that this evil person who acquires control over the collective unconscious will be a master of illusion who can alter our perception of reality. Are they related? Does this evil person directly cause the Twist?
S. Yes, they are related. Purposefully, Intently, Indirectly!
9.
Q. Is the Twist the awaking of mankind's collective unconscious? Or does the awaking of the collective unconscious cause the Twist?
S. No, but wouldn't that have been a wonderful outcome. We didn't wake up until After we "Got It".
10.
Q. You speak of a computer virus sweeping the globe in 24 hours. Is this related to the "Telluride
Occurrence"? Is this related to the "Twist"?
S. I Cannot answer this question.
11.
Q. Is this the correct cause-and-effect sequence of events : the "Twist" comes first, which triggers the economic collapse, which triggers social chaos, which triggers the war ?
S. Good Question. More like in Reverse my friend. The War, triggers Social Chaos, which affects World Trade, which causes Economic Collapse and brings about the Twist in which you realize All that has been going on was but the Tip of the Iceberg. Are you familiar with this term? This is among the reasons why it cannot be guessed. It will have already occurred, Its existence in public form will be delayed.
12.
S. The Crisis is the Catalyst, it is what leads up to the events. Certain chain reactions of events already set
into place. Even stopping one cannot stop the whole set of events which are cascading. The Twist, merely the point in which the General Public realizes they had been living with this set of circumstances, All Along.
Here is my own personal interpretation of those statements:
The Twist cannot be guessed, and Titor did not mention it. It is not a religious, political, archaeological, or astronomical event. It occurs during a chain reaction of world events that cascade one after another. The Twist comes at the end of a specific sequence : war triggers social chaos, which affects world trade, which causes economic collapse, and that brings about the Twist. However, although the Twist comes in the middle of a chain reaction of events, it itself is also a catalyst that sets off another chain of events all over the world, including and affecting interlinking countries, dictators, rulers, presidents, and leaders.
The Twist will leave the world shocked. The Twist is primarily psychological, and produces psychological changes of great magnitude in our culture. The Twist is a public realization or revelation about conditions or situations that have already occurred. When the Twist arrives, society will realize that all that has been going on was but the Tip of the Iceberg. The Twist is “merelyâ€the point in which the General Public realizes we have been living with this set of circumstances, all along. After the Twist, people wonder greatly about our world, and will never see it the same way again. This Twist will cause our culture to re-evaluate and revise our previous views on history. It will initially cause panic, and then confusion, and then a Big Brother police state takes over. The Twist is related to Titor’s Civil War, since Sara initially mentioned it in response to a question about the war.
One Nostradamus quatrain seems to describe the Twist :
"For seven days the great star will burn,
The cloud shall make two suns to appear:
The big mastiff will howl all night
When the great pontiff changes country."
The Entertainer who acquires control over the collective unconscious is purposefully and intently related to the Twist, but is not directly related to it.
Now, regarding the bit about
"it occurs during a chain reaction of social and political events that cascade one after another. The Twist comes at the end of a specific sequence : war triggers social chaos, which affects world trade, which causes economic collapse, and that brings about the Twist. The Twist occurs after, and as a direct consequence of, the economic collapse †,
War seems to start the event sequence that leads to the twist, but I don’t think this is either the Iraq or Afghanistan wars, because Zeshua uses the word “cascadeâ€, which I take to mean “in rapid successionâ€, as if the time between the start of the war and the arrival of the Twist is not very long at all. I find myself wondering if that war is the same “Middle East War†she has warned about starting before the end of this year, and if the expected Israeli attack on Iran is what will start this whole ball rolling."
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: the \"twist\"
DEC 31, 2009 can't come soon enough for me.
I will be here to wave the final good bye to you, Peter. But who am I kidding? You one promised to leave before. So you are not a man of your word, hence you will likely make sure you can "Twist" the Zeshua story right into 2010. And then do a little creative "re-interpretation" to keep it going through 2012.
RMT
DEC 31, 2009 can't come soon enough for me.
I will be here to wave the final good bye to you, Peter. But who am I kidding? You one promised to leave before. So you are not a man of your word, hence you will likely make sure you can "Twist" the Zeshua story right into 2010. And then do a little creative "re-interpretation" to keep it going through 2012.
RMT
Twighlight
Quantum Scribe
Re: the \"twist\"
This is classic hoaxer ( and cult ) mindset. Create some 'mystery' that the hoaxer alone is privy to....and that mere mortals are not worthy to know. This is often enhanced by creating an 'inner circle' of special people ( usually sock puppets ) who can see what an amazing person the hoaxer is. Must keep those 'negative' people out !
It is a sure sign that the whole thing is a hoax. A genuinely concerned time traveller would not play a ' nanananana.....I know something you don't ' mind game with people.
This is classic hoaxer ( and cult ) mindset. Create some 'mystery' that the hoaxer alone is privy to....and that mere mortals are not worthy to know. This is often enhanced by creating an 'inner circle' of special people ( usually sock puppets ) who can see what an amazing person the hoaxer is. Must keep those 'negative' people out !
It is a sure sign that the whole thing is a hoax. A genuinely concerned time traveller would not play a ' nanananana.....I know something you don't ' mind game with people.
AcumenImmortalis
Temporal Novice
Re: the \"twist\"
Shows what you know! I guess you didn't know that David Koresh really was Jesus and He escaped crucifixion by traveling into the future where He started a new flock. That whole "return from the dead" bible story was hypnotically implanted by the alien elite who were pulling Rome's strings behind the scenes. Anyways, from His flock, He initiated a special inner circle of 12 Chosen disciples via Vulcan mind-meld and told them the Secret of the Ages that an Unbeliever like you couldn't possibly understand. But the aliens used the DEA who are actually Time Cops to hunt Him down, so I guess you can forget about Christmas cause Jesus was Santa Clause too.
Shows what you know! I guess you didn't know that David Koresh really was Jesus and He escaped crucifixion by traveling into the future where He started a new flock. That whole "return from the dead" bible story was hypnotically implanted by the alien elite who were pulling Rome's strings behind the scenes. Anyways, from His flock, He initiated a special inner circle of 12 Chosen disciples via Vulcan mind-meld and told them the Secret of the Ages that an Unbeliever like you couldn't possibly understand. But the aliens used the DEA who are actually Time Cops to hunt Him down, so I guess you can forget about Christmas cause Jesus was Santa Clause too.
King_Anarchist
Chrono Cadet
Re: the \"twist\"
Yeah I saw that article in the NY Times...last week I think it was. Kinda weird though, even for the Times.
Yeah I saw that article in the NY Times...last week I think it was. Kinda weird though, even for the Times.
Twighlight
Quantum Scribe
Re: the \"twist\"
I have it on good authority that reindeer poo is being secretly tested by NASA as a propellant for future missions.
I have it on good authority that reindeer poo is being secretly tested by NASA as a propellant for future missions.
AcumenImmortalis
Temporal Novice
Re: the \"twist\"
Mock me all you like but I know the Truth! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Mock me all you like but I know the Truth! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/frown.gif