John Titor, I know you are still here

Re: John Titor, and the concept of 100%

Originally Posted by Rainmantime
Welcome ShudderingManti!

Thanks for the injection of logic. Now let me just inject some statistics and probability theory. When you said:

>>Or... Is the information 100 percent conclusive?<<

That's a dark and deceiving road you're going down there. There is nothing in the universe that is 100% anything. One can "prove" something to 99.9999 or so, but that last stretch to 100% is the stuff of asymtotic limits. My work in safety-critical aircraft and spacecraft control systems centers around those high 99% numbers. And I often smile when unsophisticated/uneducated customers try to levy design requirements on me like "100% of safety-critical failure modes shall be detectable by the system." It's a nice thought, with good intent (safety) but in reality it cannot ever be achieved....for there is ALWAYS something you don't know, and that something you don't know is a probability that whittles away at the 100% goal.

The 100% caveat notwithstanding, my personal opinion is that you hit the nail on the head with your "tick-tock" analogy. I would classify both Pamela and Darby and their "private information" in the category called "cognitive dissonance". Their information serves to increase the amount of "noise" making it very difficult to pick out the "signal" of truth, whatever it may be.
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That is a good point, 100 percent conclusivity is never quite possible. Perhaps your 99.999 number is better. However, something like... a history book from 2036 that JOhn sends to Pamela (for instance), with a publication date from the future, would be fairly conclusive. not 100 percent, but it would take an extraordinary effort to write an entire thick future history book, bind it, with pictures, professionally etc. Not impossible, but very difficult. As opposed to say... another photo, which even though it may be showing something conclusive, can be easily faked on Photoshop.

I'm hoping the original question I posed about their "information" is answered by both of them, but even if not, I'm beginning to comb through the posts of days yonder, in particular threads with posts by BOTH Darby and Pamela, keeping in mind that chances are, one of them is most likely lying.
(EDIT: I realized this was a little unclear on my part on what that meant... what I mean is, I am cataloguing "definitive in-the-know" statements made by either of the two in the past, statements where they refer to information *they* have or are aware of regarding Titor that the rest of us do not. Since I'm on the early threads at the moment, most of these are Pamela, for NOW. I'm sure I'll get to the Darby ones soon. Since they both claim to have information, one of them is wrong/lying. Any answer to the "information conflict" in my initial post, will "reflect back" in a manner of speaking, to all the "information" they've said they have in the past. That still sounds a little muddled I admit, but it makes sense in my head, I swear!!!
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YOur comment about 'cognitive dissonence' is rather interesting, in regards to one of the thread archives involving Darby/Pamela posts that I am currently reading.

Pamela, do you by any chance still have the IBM computer label that Titor sent you (from the computer that he picked up in 1975)? Were you ever able to scan it into a computer? Were any of your dating tests conclusive? I can only find one thread archive on the subject, so I apogolize if its been followed up on already.

Also, a general question... I know Titor's final postings apparently occured in March of 2001. Does anyone know if there's any definite information about how long he may have stayed here before travelling back to his time? or is that unknown?

Also, in regards to Darby's "information"
Titor is no different - even thought the venue is very different. I am not John Titor nor have I played any part in developing the story other than expressing my opinions about it. My source is a very real person and, ultimately, the persona behind Titor is a very real person. He also has a family and friends. I have no Constitutional duty to refrain from disclosing information that, ethically, I know should not be disclosed without the expressed written permission of the source...and even then I have to consider what effect the disclosure might have on the very real (though non-time traveling) "John Titor" and his family.
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...interesting, because one of Pamela's postings from 2001 indicates that she has (or had) a direct line of some sort of Titor's "parents," who apparently stopped responding.
Are they the same people? Or Different? Well, since both have taken vows of ethics or some sort... so I'll assume neither will want to say who their real sources are... we're back to where we were on my above post. Both Darby and Pamela, with conflicting "information"... Tick. Tock. Tick. Tock.

EDIT:
Another curiosity, does any of Darby's information include detailed visuals? ie photo or visual description? There is a post by Pamela indicating that she knows visual details of Titor, but will not say them (ie privacy of john/ethics, etc).

DOUBLE EDIT:
This investigation is continuing (or restarting) over on Anomolies, b/c more people post there and Darby/Pamela post there also. Also, *for now* I'm eliminating the possibly that any of them are lying and going with the "ONE IS WRONG" approach /ttiforum/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
 
Re: John Titor, and the concept of 100% Hout-man

Keven'

Krep is listed in the Anomalies web site, by a German poster, who says that Ardon Krep was sent back to make contact with John Titor from the future.

Start your search from Anomalies.com?
 
Re: John Titor, and the concept of 100% Hout-man

The reason Creedo 299 is loosing interest in Titor, is that the expression of Titor may have been as a social play, to beatify certain peoples of situations.

For this reason, the persona of Ardon Krep, would now be of interest.

If you people are going to follow someone, why not choose Krep, as Titor is seems was both used and sets others up as either used or as users?
 
Re: John Titor, and the concept of 100% Hout-man

Titor and anyone else who claims to be from the future is a fraud, pure and simple, anyone who believes in them are morns who deserve to be ridiculed for their stupid belief.
BUNCHA FOOLS.
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<font color="white">Of course if I was to reveal my travels through time i would be labelled a crank, all i will say is that the next 200,000 years are going to be something. [/COLOR]
 
Re: John Titor, and the concept of 100% Hout-man

John Titor was never a timetravellor, he said that by now scientists would have managed to create minute singularitys and eventually these would be what would allow time travel - it hasnt happened, these singularitys havnt been discovered.
 
Re: John Titor, and the concept of 100% Hout-man

Hep'
Think ya got it wrong.

What is apparent here, is the technology of time travel machines, not someone's invention is academia.

The true Kerrs probably let alone true microsingualities could not be achieved, however since this technology is in-machine housed, only approximate actions of.
 
My name is Charlie Lionel Haynes. I am 34 years of age. I was born in the Flinders Ranges west of Sydney on what was the remains of the continent of Australia, on June 18, 2006. Being born post the Great Catastrophy, my early life was being a part of community of 57 families with only one thing on our minds. Survival. While Russia and other countries were punishing America for certain injustices, along with it's alligned countries like Australia,
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Like every other Titor wannabe, Timeline 39 blew it relative to his Big Prediction.

Unless I'm mistaken and the rest of the world outside SoCal, especially TL39's home in Flinder's Ridge, Australia, was nuked some time between 23-NOV-2003 and 17-JUN-2006 I believe that his story lived and died by his own pen.
 
He said an eclipse would take place months before the worst earthquake in history, this happened in 2004.

He also said the government would try to hide something and it would cause an uprising. North American Union, anyone? Anybody have anything to say about this?
 
Quote, "I just got a brand new person? You mean like a dead hooker tossed over the wall into the alleyway in Shanghi? Well' no that's not what I meant, but I see your point:

The Star Trek series as contamination:

What was foretold in the early Star Trek series, Landru, or a society lead, by a once famous person, shows this principle.

Landru in his time, was a great person.However the assisting rulers of this mythical world, were feared that since Landru was no longer there, that a great computer should take his place.

So therefore, the saying, (The good that is Landrus is among us.)

What is odd, is that in a great measure, with reference to new computerized systems hierarchies, this is exactly the way some countries seem to be going.

What is not understood, since the U.S. has become so cloquialized, is that humans are not a heard, to follow a computer.

This is represented in the fact that, in the past, mobile robotic systems, have actually claved to mankind, so the act of overheiarchioalism, by a new computer regime, is really not necessary?

Another phenomenon, not understood, is in systems, A.I. crosstalk, as a product of other systems using such features as chatbots language, certain forms of fuzzy logic and Active X, which is similar to a computer added language, which acts like oil does, to facilitate certain features in any operating system.

There are other instance in the Star Trek series, which seem to almost exactly emulate real UFO encounters.

There are some tellings about the series, that some information was felonied, from the outside.

Where there are problems with computer control, deciding everything, is that this act does not make the society being looked over, a real and genuine society.

This is reflected in television specials and serials, are either the system as being overcontrolling, or the idolization of everyday service people, such as policemen, firefighters, and ambulance people, as being super heroes, or godlike.

There is not a series, to where a janitor, is elected to be great and people are in awe of him or her?
 
Another phenomenon, not understood, is in systems, A.I. crosstalk, as a product of other systems using such features as chatbots language, certain forms of fuzzy logic and Active X, which is similar to a computer added language, which acts like oil does, to facilitate certain features in any operating system.
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Non-minimum phase zeros always profess as counter-intuitive. Look it up, bup.

Linear is not, and Creation is hot. Synchron will not deviate from any old matrix. The more you resonate the door becomes fluid.

RMT
 
Re:Right, was: John Titor, ...

Timeline change detected....

quoted:


To timeline0,

Please Private Mail me your Name, Rank, and commanding officer's name. Information on other missions to this time period are mostly not available to me. So I need to verify your identification. Once I have that information I will go back to the future and verify it. Please be sure to include your coordinates so I can arrive close to your proximity. Obviously, if you are currently in a location that doesn't exist above sea level in the future you will have move.

I look forward to your mail.

Charlie.



Good going! You managed to get my username wrong. It's timetravel0 not timeline0... damn.



:D
 
Re:Right, was: John Titor, ...

man i am still wating for your pics,please answer soon,thanks!!!!
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Re:Right, was: John Titor, ...

after that the Status on John was -MIA- ,
but a new recovery mission got success:

Quoted:

Hello everyone, Charlie here. Some of you might remember me and some of you won't.

In your prespective, it has been over 6 months since I was last here. In my perspective, nearly a year. My survey of the period 1980 to 2004 is complete but I wanted to give some closure to last year.

Firstly, you will be happy to know that we found John in Wisconsin not long ago and has agreed to come home. Although, the

method used to find him was detected by this period. It was reported as a UFO sighting that unfortunately many saw. Sadly he

is suffering from an undiagnosed mental degenerative condition that we have not been able to treat as yet. He is in sound condition and is in no pain. He sends his wishes along with what I am about to say.

Link to TTI

This always be here... but only after the timeline change...if you know what this mean... :oops:
 
Like every other Titor wannabe, Timeline 39 blew it relative to his Big Prediction.

Unless I'm mistaken and the rest of the world outside SoCal, especially TL39's home in Flinder's Ridge, Australia, was nuked some time between 23-NOV-2003 and 17-JUN-2006 I believe that his story lived and died by his own pen



Although posted some years ago, I shall respond.

I never mentioned anywhere that Australia was nuked. We were punished by a group of countries, lead by Russia, along with the US for being its ally. I'm not saying that there was no fighting on Australian soil but a nuke wasn't wasted on us. Out of the very small amount of nukes that survived the Great Catastrophe (nukes are usually stored under ground and if you've read my description of the Great Catastrophe you'd understand) they were dropped on the US and US bases established post the Catastrophe in Africa. The destruction of Sydney I was suggesting why completely due to the Catastrophe.

I have also mentioned in my first Hello Again post that I was not truthful about my birth date. I put that date there for a reason to try and get a reaction from a certain group of people we know monitor forums like this. My next post in Hello Again will be regarding the Government and their lies etc. and I will explain why I tried to hint the Great Catastrophe was before mid-2006.

Charlie
 
Charlie:Ray move your thread \"Hello Again\" again!!

Ray move your thread "Hello Again"
from the forum Time travel Discussion
to the forum Time travel Claims

Best Regards
and Greetings to the Council

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Charlie,

Here's what you said:

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Re: John Titor, I know you are still here [re: Florida_Jim]
11/23/03 11:25 PM (203.40.77.228) Edit Reply

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My name is Charlie Lionel Haynes. I am 34 years of age. I was born in the Flinders Ranges west of Sydney on what was the remains of the continent of Australia, on June 18, 2006. Being born post the Great Catastrophy, my early life was being a part of community of 57 families with only one thing on our minds. Survival. While Russia and other countries were punishing America for certain injustices, along with it's alligned countries like Australia, our community tried not to get involved as survival was hard enough. After the war and the eventual settling down of our planet, I went to Sydney to help rebuild the city as a major trade hub, communications relay and fusion power plant for the equatorial region of the Pacific side of the planet.
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The post was made on 23-NOV-2003. You said you were born on 18-JUN-2006. You described Australia on the day you were born as being the remains of the continent following the Great Catastrophe. Thus the "big (non) event" would have taken place between those two dates.

Nuked, not nuked - who really cares? But you did, in the same paragraph make reference the to Russian punishment (or in Titor's case Russian "liberation" - which was nuclear in nature) of AMerica. The title of the thread does appear to relate to Titor unless I'm missing something in the title. The entire paragraph references Titor's War. It's a bit of creative revisionist history making to attempt to change the meaning of the paragraph two years after the 2006 drop-dead date and five years after writing it.

The fact remains that Australia seems to be there today pretty well intact and the daily lives of Australian citizens doesn't appear one of scratching out a life of post apocolyptic survival. You failed this prediction - missed it by a country mile.

BTW: Whether you originally lied about your birthdate or whether you're lying now about your birthdate you've admitted to a self-serving lie. You've now cast yourself as a self-admitted liar on a substantive issue involving your story. It begs the question of what else of a substantive matter have you been untruthful about. The answer is that you've impeached your own testimony and none of it should be viewed as trustworthy.

This goes to the heart of what I said above - you're now engaged in self-serving revisionism because a close analysis of the original story pinned you down to unintended specifics that lent themselves to verification.
 
Re: a simple solution

If what you are saying is true (which I definitely don't believe is true) you cannot travel to a precise when or where, you can only travel to "what" (a generalized event). And supposedly your "time machine" works by modifying the structure of energy. By all logic, any contact what so ever with a different time would cause change, thus I can easily say you "don't cause a disturbance" law would prohibit you from time traveling and (in the event that an exception is made) your presence in this when would not be solid (your physical presence would be incomplete, half energy if you will). In other word you so called "time travelers" are in contradiction with your selves. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/devil.gif
 
Re: a simple solution

Charles, if a change were made in our timeline by someone from your timeline(future), I don't believe it would affect YOUR timeline in any way. It would simply create an alternative timeline/future(not yours). At least that's my view/understanding. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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