Speaking to most of the people here is like speaking to a brick wall. Thus until I leave I will only speak with those privately. My intention was not to try to convince people and to be verbally attacked. There will be one last post before I depart and one after my departing by my uncle.
Hello, This is an interesting worldline.
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RainmanTime
Super Moderator
And I would add that it only takes the intelligence of a brick wall to be able to understand the differences between a microwave oven and a dishwasher... and why they have the features they do.
So now our intrepid TT'er goes into the "silent mode"... another tactic we have seen before when the TT hoaxer sees how many holes were in his presentation. And rather than just own-up to the fact that his presentation was extremely weak, he slithers into the background while trying to maintain that he is somehow superior to the rest of us in terms of "morals".
Well that is a pretty weak comparision, wouldn't you say, Bruce? Do you really think a simple computer compares to a device that can alter spacetime?
Let me ask you this: Do you know of any university in this worldline that owns.... let's say... a stealth aircraft (take your pick... F-117, B-2, whatever)? THAT would be more of an appropriate comparision.
Beyond this... perhaps you are ready for a lesson in how the military authorizes civilian versions of its technology? There is this ancient system of system configuration that we call "part numbers". Since the military funds advanced system development, they get to specify the rules (requirements) for everything from the color of the system down to how its variants are tracked... by different part numbers. In the event that the military does permit a manufacturer of a system to introduce a commercial version, since the military owns the original design, the military will also MANDATE that not only must the civilian version of the system be produced under a SEPARATE part number, but the military will also mandate that NO military software (for military missions) is EVER co-mingled into a civilian-use part number. And finally, the military will also mandate that SEPARATE operating manuals be produced for civilian versions such that NO INFORMATION about the military uses of the product are ever mentioned.
In fact, in these days of HW & SW system designs, the end-item part number of such a system is comprised of the HW part number AND the SW part number for the SW installed in the unit. So in the case of your obviously bogus TT device, the military would make sure that NONE of their military ops software was EVER installed in the civilian device.
These are some of the biggest jokes of your "evidence". Any military that would permit co-mingling of military parts/technology with civilian parts/technology would not be a military that would "stay in business" very long at all!
To use your own word, Bruce, you would have to be pretty idiotic to think that the details of your TT device would violate these facts of military system development. But I am sure you are not going to respond to me anyway... the questions/issues that have been posed are much too big for you to "fix" now that the cat is out of the bag. You have failed Bruce. Go back to your own time... you need a lot more schooling before you can even hope to pull off a hoax with this group.
RMT
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Nail the coffin shut on this one?
Bruce,
http://www.honeywell.com/sites/servlet/com.merx.npoint.servlets.DocumentServlet?docid=DB91100F1-F667-E3F7-FFCF-18407CBCC024
1) Ask your great-uncle-whatever to borrow his cell phone (or ask his kids/nephews/nieces, friends if you will next claim he doesn't have one).
2) Snap a photo of your ACTUAL TT control device (not the manual... take a picture of the actual hand-held unit that you obviously must have immediate access to).
3) Post the photo of the device (you can even include your hand in the photo giving us "the finger" if it would make you feel better.)
4) If no one in your area of WV has a digital camera (I believe you have confirmed for us it is not the backwater that stereotypes make it out to be), then I am positive there is a place in your general area where you could rent such a camera... heck, they might even be willing to post the photos you take directly to the internet for you... Or you can do that yourself, if you feel you must remain "under the radar".
There... you see how easy that is? No reason to have to scan a manual, when it is simple to get a photo (color) of your actual unit! And the benefits to this approach is that it would be less susceptible to your attempts at modification (i.e. it would be easier to see your modifications if you tried them). So you could REALLY convince us with a simple GIF or JPG image.
Go for it, Bruce! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
RMT
Bruce,
Here's a good example to refute your point: EVERY commercial jet aircraft produced since the early 90s uses graphic display technology for the flight deck instruments. The older vintage used color CRT displays, with the latest technology being to use color LCD displays. Because the use of color means something in the overall display symbology design for these jets, it is imperative that the pilot's operating manuals provide color. I mean, it would be pretty silly not to, right? Here is just one example how Honeywell uses color in their newest "integrated display" technology
http://www.honeywell.com/sites/servlet/com.merx.npoint.servlets.DocumentServlet?docid=DB91100F1-F667-E3F7-FFCF-18407CBCC024
We're not interested in your "excuses" (meaning your hoax cover story). What we are interested in is looking at a real, color photo of the TT device (so it is not subject to your obvious modifications you have made to the original scan). I can even help you so you no longer have to throw-up excuses for your poverty-striken government of the future. Here is what you do:
1) Ask your great-uncle-whatever to borrow his cell phone (or ask his kids/nephews/nieces, friends if you will next claim he doesn't have one).
2) Snap a photo of your ACTUAL TT control device (not the manual... take a picture of the actual hand-held unit that you obviously must have immediate access to).
3) Post the photo of the device (you can even include your hand in the photo giving us "the finger" if it would make you feel better.)
4) If no one in your area of WV has a digital camera (I believe you have confirmed for us it is not the backwater that stereotypes make it out to be), then I am positive there is a place in your general area where you could rent such a camera... heck, they might even be willing to post the photos you take directly to the internet for you... Or you can do that yourself, if you feel you must remain "under the radar".
There... you see how easy that is? No reason to have to scan a manual, when it is simple to get a photo (color) of your actual unit! And the benefits to this approach is that it would be less susceptible to your attempts at modification (i.e. it would be easier to see your modifications if you tried them). So you could REALLY convince us with a simple GIF or JPG image.
Go for it, Bruce! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
RMT
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Jolly Good, Bruce!
Excuse me, Bruce... I have another question for you, oh TT extraordinaire...
Or is that just a horse of a different colour? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/devil.gif
Just curious...
RMT
Excuse me, Bruce... I have another question for you, oh TT extraordinaire...
Why is it that an American from Appalachia is using British spellings in their words? Do you really think it is honourable to think that an American would not know that Americans spell it as defense?
Just curious...
RMT
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
IMAGINE THAT!!!!
Huh,
All of a sudden Bruce's pages from his operating manual are no longer available.
I guess the Masons must have gotten to him, huh!?!? Must be a conspiracy, right CigMan?
/ttiforum/images/graemlins/yum.gif
RMT
Huh,
All of a sudden Bruce's pages from his operating manual are no longer available.
I guess the Masons must have gotten to him, huh!?!? Must be a conspiracy, right CigMan?
/ttiforum/images/graemlins/yum.gif
RMT
So tell us, what did you really expect from the people here? That they would believe you were a real TT'er? Accept your wild claims, and not think otherwise?
Can you really blame most of the people for their critical responses to you? After all, your story has too many holes to be believable. Even Pam is skeptical of your device (no offense Pam
Why do all the Time Travelers stories always seem to end this way? Perhaps we should re-write the next installment to end just a tad bit more original
TTA
Bruce,
Ok, let us think about this logically.
You told me the difference between your worldline and mine was so small
it is like a full head of hair to one hair missing from the full head of hair.
That is a very small difference.
Now you are saying you thought your uncles dishwasher was a microwave.
I think the reason you don't want to post here openly anymore is in an open forum
there is more accumulated knowledge. I would have not known what that multimeter looked like
but someone here presented one. Damaging evidence to your claim.
I may be a nice person but I am not stupid. That meter and your device look almost
exactly alike and with "a one hair difference" they should function rather the same.
The reason you don't want to post here anymore isn't that we are a brick wall it's that
YOU have hit a brick wall in your hoax. You figure if you post to only certain individuals
you can keep this going because they may not have the accumulated knowledge of the group
Perhaps then you hope to just fool certain individuals. I will not be one of them.
And now you have removed your pictures?
Your arguments and proofs you presented are not convincing enough to me and they do not
add up. If what you are saying is true this would be a very dangerous world for you.
Hey,watch out for that waffle iron its not what you think it is!
See how ridiculous that sounds?
If you were any type of religious real man as you say you are you would atleast come on here
and apologize to the individuals you lied to. Or was that a lie as well?
"If you may have noticed I don't post on Saturdays because it is the sabbath."
Is the reason you do not post on the Sabbath is because you cannot lie on the Sabbath?
I would be afraid to be in your shoes. God is not fooled.
-Pamela
Ok, let us think about this logically.
You told me the difference between your worldline and mine was so small
it is like a full head of hair to one hair missing from the full head of hair.
That is a very small difference.
Now you are saying you thought your uncles dishwasher was a microwave.
I think the reason you don't want to post here openly anymore is in an open forum
there is more accumulated knowledge. I would have not known what that multimeter looked like
but someone here presented one. Damaging evidence to your claim.
I may be a nice person but I am not stupid. That meter and your device look almost
exactly alike and with "a one hair difference" they should function rather the same.
The reason you don't want to post here anymore isn't that we are a brick wall it's that
YOU have hit a brick wall in your hoax. You figure if you post to only certain individuals
you can keep this going because they may not have the accumulated knowledge of the group
Perhaps then you hope to just fool certain individuals. I will not be one of them.
And now you have removed your pictures?
Your arguments and proofs you presented are not convincing enough to me and they do not
add up. If what you are saying is true this would be a very dangerous world for you.
Hey,watch out for that waffle iron its not what you think it is!
See how ridiculous that sounds?
If you were any type of religious real man as you say you are you would atleast come on here
and apologize to the individuals you lied to. Or was that a lie as well?
"If you may have noticed I don't post on Saturdays because it is the sabbath."
Is the reason you do not post on the Sabbath is because you cannot lie on the Sabbath?
I would be afraid to be in your shoes. God is not fooled.
-Pamela
Darby
Epochal Historian
Bruce,
I think that you're leaving with your tail between your legs because for some reason you didn't think that people who are interested in physical science would recognize a digital multimeter when they saw one. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif
And once you were caught you took your site down on FreeWeb so that you don't leave a "I'm caught" trail.
And why would we care one way or another whether your "uncle" posts?
Note: Folks, go back to Page 4 on this thread where Bruce's "manual" used to be. It's gone. He didn't want you to download the graphics and look too closely at them.
I think that you're leaving with your tail between your legs because for some reason you didn't think that people who are interested in physical science would recognize a digital multimeter when they saw one. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif
And once you were caught you took your site down on FreeWeb so that you don't leave a "I'm caught" trail.
And why would we care one way or another whether your "uncle" posts?
Note: Folks, go back to Page 4 on this thread where Bruce's "manual" used to be. It's gone. He didn't want you to download the graphics and look too closely at them.
Actually, it's not very interesting at all, when you post your pictures only to bring them down within a few weeks. Plus you haven’t even left yet, so don’t except to be missed and have a fan club in your name when you return.
I hope you weren't also thinking of doing this sort of thing with an ING direct account. It works better when you leave your money in, especially if you don’t touch it for 40 yrs
Imagine all the interest you'd then accrue when you get back /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif?
TTA
Darby,
"It's gone. He didn't want you to download the graphics and look too closely at them."
That was exactly what I did. To be fair I printed out Bruce's graphic and the multimeter graphic and put them side by side on my desk and looked very closely at both of them. They are still here on my desk.(temporarily...they will soon be in the trash can.) There is no doubt in my mind that they would have the same functions. They are basically the same thing. Thank you to the poster that posted the multimeter.
"It's gone. He didn't want you to download the graphics and look too closely at them."
That was exactly what I did. To be fair I printed out Bruce's graphic and the multimeter graphic and put them side by side on my desk and looked very closely at both of them. They are still here on my desk.(temporarily...they will soon be in the trash can.) There is no doubt in my mind that they would have the same functions. They are basically the same thing. Thank you to the poster that posted the multimeter.
Actually I was not done and I didn't leave with my tail between my legs. My intentions were to discuss my life in my worldline, but it quickly turned into providing proof and jumping through people's hoops like a trained dog. The pics and then some will be returned prior to my leaving. In addition a departure video will be posted there after I have left. Then you all will realize that all I said was true and you will have missed out on the oportunity to know me.
I have also kept a complete record of this thread, private discussions, and e-mails. It is going to be up to those I give it to to decide what they will do with it. What I have gained from this experience is that I should have heeded advice, just done my mission, and left this worldline quietly. Now that I think about it, I hope that our worldlines are more closer than was calculuated as the world will be much better off without you people on it.
I have also kept a complete record of this thread, private discussions, and e-mails. It is going to be up to those I give it to to decide what they will do with it. What I have gained from this experience is that I should have heeded advice, just done my mission, and left this worldline quietly. Now that I think about it, I hope that our worldlines are more closer than was calculuated as the world will be much better off without you people on it.
Darby
Epochal Historian
Bruce,
But I did get you to post on more time, contrary to your claim that you would only be comminicating privately henceforth.
And how about that multimeter?
And why would this or some other world be better off without "us" on it? According to your own story its your world, not this one, that blew itself up. We didn't have anything at all to do with that. Yours is a totally different world than this one.
And if you don't really care if you are believed or not why is your tail in a knot over the fact that that you aren't being believed? What possible difference does your lack of credibility have on your "mission"?
Does the fact that your handlers chose a poor representative who can't follow orders (or advice as the case may be) to do the job and stay behind the scenes reflect positively or negatively on your world? If we're to believe both your story and Titor's story then we have two, not one, cases of examples of poor judgment on the part of future handlers. In both cases their chosen technician went off mission and mavericked for their own private purposes.
Frankly I don't think that anyone here is especially interested in the botany of our own plant life relative to a would-be time traveler. As they say, we can look it up ourselves. This isn't a botany site - it is a time travel site. If you want to talk botany why not simply forget the time travel aspect, go to a botany related site and talk about plantlife? In doing so the problem of incredulity doesn't become an issue, i.e. your ego doesn't get in the way of your mission.
Just a suggestion, or as your handlers would say, "advice".
On the other hand, if you just can't help yourself and have to talk off mission topics like time travel, you're not a child. You should expect skepticism and you should be prepared (long beforehand actually) to answer some questions specific to the topic with clear, concise and credible responses.
But I did get you to post on more time, contrary to your claim that you would only be comminicating privately henceforth.
And how about that multimeter?
And why would this or some other world be better off without "us" on it? According to your own story its your world, not this one, that blew itself up. We didn't have anything at all to do with that. Yours is a totally different world than this one.
And if you don't really care if you are believed or not why is your tail in a knot over the fact that that you aren't being believed? What possible difference does your lack of credibility have on your "mission"?
Does the fact that your handlers chose a poor representative who can't follow orders (or advice as the case may be) to do the job and stay behind the scenes reflect positively or negatively on your world? If we're to believe both your story and Titor's story then we have two, not one, cases of examples of poor judgment on the part of future handlers. In both cases their chosen technician went off mission and mavericked for their own private purposes.
Frankly I don't think that anyone here is especially interested in the botany of our own plant life relative to a would-be time traveler. As they say, we can look it up ourselves. This isn't a botany site - it is a time travel site. If you want to talk botany why not simply forget the time travel aspect, go to a botany related site and talk about plantlife? In doing so the problem of incredulity doesn't become an issue, i.e. your ego doesn't get in the way of your mission.
Just a suggestion, or as your handlers would say, "advice".
On the other hand, if you just can't help yourself and have to talk off mission topics like time travel, you're not a child. You should expect skepticism and you should be prepared (long beforehand actually) to answer some questions specific to the topic with clear, concise and credible responses.
Yeah that’s right… and when you get back to your own worldline, you make sure you tell them that the TTA is back (let me spell it for you, just so you spell it right this time: T-i-m-e T-r-a-v-e-l A-c-t-i-v-i-s-t), and that he gave you the business, like no bodies business
Epilogue
Next time a future society decides to send another TT’er to the past, know this first before anything else. There is a power here, greater then any timeline can ever hope to posses for their own. The TTA will not allow this power to be relinquished to you, nor to anyone else.
No doubt your kinds attempts to conquer humanity's minds and souls to your twisted justified ends will inevitably continue, but not if the TTA has something to say about it! And I do
Until the next title.
What new surprises does the next TT'er hold to reveal?
Only TIME, will tell!
TTA
So I think to myself, If I were a TTer I might log onto a site such as this and start asking my own questions. Feel the crowd out to see what they would want to know from someone such as myself. Call it valuable research for future expeditions. (That's of course providing I felt the need to convince others of my validity. So far from what I've seen here, no TT claimants have been very effective in proving their case.)
I like this site. I think the people here are open to different ideas. Educated guesses. A lot of people won't even entertain the possibility of notions such as these. (Kudos to all here!) However, I also gather that this isn't a unicorn/leprechaun kind of place, either. Some degree of plausibility is necessary. For instance, I know if I want to change an idea to a fact, I'd better back it up.
Again I ask, why reveal yourself?
Is it possible/probable that TTer's have enormous ego's? Is that prerequisite part of the job? Or does the time traveling trip itself cause emotional disturbances? I just don't get the logic in claiming to be a TTer and then getting upset when I meet healthy skepticism.
If there's an answer to these questions, hit me with it.
I like this site. I think the people here are open to different ideas. Educated guesses. A lot of people won't even entertain the possibility of notions such as these. (Kudos to all here!) However, I also gather that this isn't a unicorn/leprechaun kind of place, either. Some degree of plausibility is necessary. For instance, I know if I want to change an idea to a fact, I'd better back it up.
Again I ask, why reveal yourself?
Is it possible/probable that TTer's have enormous ego's? Is that prerequisite part of the job? Or does the time traveling trip itself cause emotional disturbances? I just don't get the logic in claiming to be a TTer and then getting upset when I meet healthy skepticism.
If there's an answer to these questions, hit me with it.
Sour grapes?
As for anyone suddenly "realising" you were real and missing the opportunity to know you - i wouldnt have thought they were missing out on much, even if you were for real! You know nothing on time travel science (by your own admission) and your picture of the 'future', is nothing but the drivel a thousand before you have tried to feed us.
After all, you only claim to have come from 2047. Even then - from a timeline that really, we ought to have no universal connection to (especially via its 'time travellers').
Fair well Bruce - remember to even out the disturbed soil before you leave....
Kind Regards,
Olly