Hello again

Re: is the Soho Images claimed to be Nibiru a hoax

Hi Recall,

Thanks for the diagrams, yes they help get a sence of perspecive...

I am not fully clear about your explanation though about the binary system...

Are you saying that the brown dwarf is in binary with another brown dwarf... OR with the SUN..


Initially I had just thought that Nibiru was just a large planet that was on a severe eliptical
huge orbit around our sun.... and that this had some how occurred well in the past after the solar system had formed with our earth...

THEN I got the impression that it actually evolved around another sun that was a Brown dwarf
but that it also orbited around our sun.. I wasnt sure if the brown dwarf did actually rotate around our sun over a very long period... I thought JUST the planet ( not the Brown dwarf) took 3600 yrs to orbit....

Now I am not sure if you are indicating that there are two brown dwarfs as well as our sun that
are what we are concerned with now...and I wasnt sure if Nibiru was a planet orbiting the brown dwarf called wormwood... that was on the edge of our solar system...

this is how I thought that I understood it...

I didnt think that there was a 2nd brown dwarf...

I ALSO thought that Nibiru was in between the Earth and SUN, NOT behind the Sun as we view from Earth..


IF its behind the Sun, That makes things more difficult to try and interpretate..but it may explain a few things..

Picturing a model of all this is the tricky part as well as trying to consider the sizes of orbits involved...
 
Re: is the Soho Images claimed to be Nibiru a hoax

Hi Forest keeper,

There appears to be two sources where this came from... one was a Spanish website and one of the posters on the site that I obtained it from says he had it translated on a special website that apparently can do this.... I wasnt aware of it before today...

Then he also included a link to godlikeproductions..

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/reply.php?messageid=84 7997&page=2&quote=13160697

I know some suggest this site is often misleading information...

I agree that the story seems very unusual...and makes one suspect if its likely to be true..

IF it is true, then maybe it really is an effect from a brown dwarf and no doubt its stronger proof that what we read is for real and that nibiru myth is really happening..

At the moment one week I really start to suspect it, then the next i will see someting that makes me question it... it gets rather frustrating... but I surpose this is how things are likely to be as no one such as Nasa are going to be upfront about it...
 
Re: is the Soho Images claimed to be Nibiru a hoax

here is the Spanish website...

what do you make of the g19 image ? Many are now suspecting that it really is the real thing.
ie wormwood brown dwarf / nibiru... that Nasa are claiming to be a supernova...

I surpose that would be a good way for them to diguise it...

the image looks so much like what I have been led to believe it should look like..

http://starviewer.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/localizada-la-enana-marron-cerca-de-pluton-la-otra-verdad-del-40th-aniversario/
 
Re: is the Soho Images claimed to be Nibiru a hoax

in this drawing i include nibiru orbiting the twin star system...

binarystarorbitplusnibi.gif


Nibiru was captured by this system...

i think that the other brown dwarf will be captured too...
 
Re: is the Soho Images claimed to be Nibiru a hoax

Note that the orbit of Nibiru is Eliptical and the 2 foci are the main stars Sun and his dark twin, but cause the 2 stars has their independent orbit movement... around the common center of mass, the final result of the orbit of Nibiru is an exotic one that in one segment will accelerate and in others just stall...and will pass near Earth...
 
Re: is the Soho Images claimed to be Nibiru a hoax

Hi Recall,

Thank you again for the diagram...

Ideally what id like to see is a model that shows the two twin brown dwarfs ( with Nibiru ) in relation to our solar system and the Sun .... that will then help me see the full picture..

ALSO How Niburu is positioned in our solar system now relative to the SUN and EARTH... and the two
brown dwarfs...

that will help if its possible to show such a diagram of it all or relative to each other..

can you show me how you say Nibiru is BEHIND the sun relative to the Earth and yet it is claimed we can see Nibiru from earth close to the sun...

IF we are looking from Earth to the sun... where would we see Nibiru.... and also where in relation
would you estimate the direction of the so called Brown dwarf Wormwood....

this may take 2 or 3 seperate diagrams.. I may be asking you too much here, if so thats ok...

it would be good if we were able to look at a mini solar system say on video to be able to picture it.

I did post a picture annumation that some one had created that did show worm wood and Nibiru..
but I dont recall seeing ref to a 2nd Brown dwarf and I cannnot recall how Nibiru was positioned to the Earh/sun...

I will try and find the post / link.... as this may help...

cheers TC
 
Re: is the Soho Images claimed to be Nibiru a hoax

This was the animation that I posted a few weeks ago...

I surpose it will take a bit of study to actually try and explain what is suposed to be going on
here......

It may only be a general suggestion of what may be happening...

BUT it appears that Nibiru is orbiting a brown dwarf Wormwood... and that it is paasing in between
Saturn and Jupiter...

IT DOESNT appear to go between the Sun and Earth....


BUT at some point when looking from Earth... towards our Sun... we MAY see Nibiru as it passes behind the sun ...

IT appears as if Nibiru is orbiting from ABOVE or BELOW the elliptic ( or what I think is the centre line of the Sun and planets equator points..) Dependent upon what position the Earth is relative to the Sun / Outer planets....

IF THIS was to be done with some degree of accuracy... which it may have been... I think that there is a calendar that shows Nibirus position at different dates.. ( but its too small for me to read unless there is a blown up version)I just looked at the webpage.. I didnt download the file so it may be possible to see accuate dates..

IF so..this gives a very good idea of whats going on... BUT I dont see any ref to a 2nd brown dwarf
in that example..

Is this the sort of thing that you believe is happening or do you suggest another theory.


http://www.millenniumprophecy.com/wormwood.html
 
Re: is the Soho Images claimed to be Nibiru a hoax

Dude,

There are so many people (all of them cranks), saying so many different things (all of it BS), that it is astounding to me why you would spend so much time trying to sort-out so much baloney that is not even consistent from one story to another.

Have you not learned from all the gloom and doomers down through history (who were all wrong, every one of them)?

RMT
 
Re: is the Soho Images claimed to be Nibiru a hoax

Dude,

There are so many people (all of them cranks), saying so many different things (all of it BS), that it is astounding to me why you would spend so much time trying to sort-out so much baloney that is not even consistent from one story to another.

Have you not learned from all the gloom and doomers down through history (who were all wrong, every one of them)?

RMT
ho!....

Please debunk this:

Gravity Waves behind the south pole of the sun!

current_c3.gif
starting the 25...

you know the process to make them...RMT

a Massive magnetic object act like a gravity lens...

Enjoy!!!
 
Re: is the Soho Images claimed to be Nibiru a hoax

Please debunk this:

Gravity Waves behind the south pole of the sun!

Heh heh. It is most appropriate to begin with debunking you! For example, it is abundantly clear that, in your zeal to sound like you know what you are talking about, you have absolutely no clue what you are saying when you use the term "gravity waves":

Gravity Waves - Very mundane things...and NOT AT ALL what Recall implies them to be!

Would you care to try again? And while you are at it, please explain what "gravity waves" have to do with the SOHO GIF animation you posted. Be specific! You are way too sloppy for anyone with half a brain in science to take you seriously!

(And now we will witness recall ignoring his own failures and not addressing the points I made)

RMT
 
Re: is the Soho Images claimed to be Nibiru a hoax

Rainman,

Since your last reply to me prior to today, I did intend to reply... but what I had to say was a bit long and I didnt have time to reply at the convienient time...

I will try and do so... It may make an interesting topic that covers your reply today..

I surpose what ever this topic is fasenating be it for real or just a clever fictional story ..

This to me has a point of interest in one way or the other...

I am not suggesting that I agree with the potential negative concerns behind any hoax...
we have discussed that...and the rights and wrongs about it..

I suspect if there is no truth to it , that if it will be the biggest hoax since the religious element going back many years ago...or it may be as significant as I dont surpose we really can prove religion or the is there a God as much as many of us want scientific proof..

I surpose what is fasenating is how this all points to 2012 and all the material that has been wrote about it from many past cultures.... also the facts that some of the so called researchers
have wrote about who make these claims...

But as we have discussed before... we all agree there has not as yet been any real proof as I am aware of.... but there has been a series of things that do keep suggesting that there MAY be something to it....

Last month it was wanting to know what that Soho lasco image was.... Now I have been given a possible answer to it.... I surpose I was less influeneced by the possibilities of it being as
what many of the so called experts made out that it was the winged globe...

THEN this week, I have seen these new images of the so called supanova.... that I have to admitt does look very much like the images that I was led to believe Nibiru would look like...
Some early suggestions are making out this is a Nasa cover up...

What I dont know is HOW anyone other than a trusted scientist or Astronomer could prove it..
and its unlikely anyone will until this becomes well documented in the media...
then it may still be a question of do we believe them... can we believe anyone in certain topics is the reality of some things....

SO at the moment this is what keeps my interest...

As you run the time travel forum do you have similar issues with other posters who write about time travel theories.... and IF you say did not really believe TT is possible, why would you run such a forum....

I suspect that you do get some very highly qualified people / scientist on this forum who offer some great theories... I have not as yet managed to read or follow other topics as some I suspect will be well above my educational level..so I havent followed what other comments that you may make to others about the topic time travel..BUT YOU DO COVER UFOS , PARANORMNAL etc etc and surely all these are just as hoax worthy as the PX theory...

I am just curious if you make similar comments on all the other threads... and what if any do you actually consider may not be hoax related... and WHY do you read all those posts that probably will be time wasting hoax related materials esp if you dont belive in UFOs and Aliens etc..

I come on this forum and others as these things do interest me... and I supose I am looking for those gems that do really make me question things that are hard tto explain...
 
Re: is the Soho Images claimed to be Nibiru a hoax

RMT...

Just enjoy the selfish life before TSHTF!

Just as I predicted: "(And now we will witness recall ignoring his own failures and not addressing the points I made)"

At least someone's predictions around here are coming true! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif I smell a pussy!

RMT
 
Deep underground Bunkers...

<font color="white"> *** You Are *** [/COLOR]

Just a symptom that you know what does it mean...

"we have a situation here!!!"

Please don´t loose your mind... :D :D :D

-RMT-

Your Bunkers will not help...

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Re: is the Soho Images claimed to be Nibiru a hoax

I surpose what is fasenating is how this all points to 2012 and all the material that has been wrote about it from many past cultures

Which "many past cultures"? As far as I know, it has only been one: The Mayans. And their calendar was tied to the completion of one cycle of the precession of the earth's pole (NOT a "pole shift"). Everyone else that has come along has simply created their stories (like a pole shift!) and hung them on the Mayan calendar saying "THIS is what they Mayans were predicting."

It is really not that different than all the Y2K doomsday prophecies, with one exception: The Mayans were good astronomers and set their calendar based on a much longer timeframe astronomical cycle than the earth traversing around the sun.

also the facts that some of the so called researchers
have wrote about who make these claims...

It is to sell books and get attention. Don't you understand that? Take a look at the kinds of BS that Peter Novak slings in other forums here...he is an "author". You have to generate attention to yourself and your books in any way you can to make money. It is all about getting people to buy books so that the author can then charge speaking fees and go on the convention speaking circuit (where they again pimp their book AND take in a speaking fee).

but there has been a series of things that do keep suggesting that there MAY be something to it....

Planted on the internet by people selling their books, or their surrogates. The internet is a VERY cheap place to advertise your wares. And when you do what some people do in these forums, it is essentially FREE.

Some early suggestions are making out this is a Nasa cover up...

Always the government conspiracy angle. Now you know precisely why this thread was moved from "TT Claims" over here to the Conspiracy forum.

As you run the time travel forum do you have similar issues with other posters who write about time travel theories....

Of course I do, and I challenge them regularly in those other forums. In most cases it is quite easy to destroy their claims and lay-open the fallacies they put forward with good ole science. If you go back far enough in this thread, I actually, methodically destroyed most of the early claims made by "Timeline_39". I even showed where he falsified himself!

and IF you say did not really believe TT is possible, why would you run such a forum....

I've explained this in the other forums many times.

1) To do my part in exterminating "bad science claims" and exposing them for what they are.
2) To develop a body of work that shows how wild claims are challenged scientifically. And this is for...
3) To direct my freshman engineering students to this board to get an idea of what critical thinking is, and how it can help prevent you from going down a dark trail based on your emotions and feelings.

I am just curious if you make similar comments on all the other threads... and what if any do you actually consider may not be hoax related... and WHY do you read all those posts that probably will be time wasting hoax related materials esp if you dont belive in UFOs and Aliens etc..

See above. One could also consider this one of my hobbies. That and by keeping the mind challenged in this way, it keeps my mind sharp with respect to the scientific method.

Who knows...maybe someday I will write my own book about defeating internet hoaxes with good science. Might not make the bestseller list, but at least I can fight fire with fire! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I come on this forum and others as these things do interest me... and I supose I am looking for those gems that do really make me question things that are hard tto explain...

There are much better places to do this than internet forums, and these other places will actually improve your critical thinking skills not to mention teach you the basis for a lot of the science that makes our lifestyles possible. Without trying to insult you, if you come to forums like this al wide-eyed and ready to believe (instead of ready to seriously question), then you are really doing more damage to your mind than you are expanding it. Mind pollution. This is a question that only you can answer: Is your INTENTION really based on "hey this might be true...I should collect more information" or is it more "This sounds like a crock, and I need to see more solid evidence before I accept it"?

INTENTION determines your future. Not bad scifi stories slung by people trying to sell their books.
RMT
 
Re: is the Soho Images claimed to be Nibiru a hoax

I`m back... with some pictures

This was the animation that I posted a few weeks ago...

I surpose it will take a bit of study to actually try and explain what is suposed to be going on
here......

It may only be a general suggestion of what may be happening...

BUT it appears that Nibiru is orbiting a brown dwarf Wormwood... and that it is paasing in between
Saturn and Jupiter...

IT DOESNT appear to go between the Sun and Earth....
orbit3.jpg



BUT at some point when looking from Earth... towards our Sun... we MAY see Nibiru as it passes behind the sun ...

IT appears as if Nibiru is orbiting from ABOVE or BELOW the elliptic ( or what I think is the centre line of the Sun and planets equator points..) Dependent upon what position the Earth is relative to the Sun / Outer planets....
orbit2.jpg

IF THIS was to be done with some degree of accuracy... which it may have been... I think that there is a calendar that shows Nibirus position at different dates.. ( but its too small for me to read unless there is a blown up version)I just looked at the webpage.. I didnt download the file so it may be possible to see accuate dates..
orbit4.jpg


The planet is dragged down by the magnetic influence of Nibiru and the Magnetic Anomaly of the Atlantic Ocean... When we are down to the Ecliptic we see Nibiru.. by the side of Sun...

orbit1.jpg
 
Doom for Today + Gravity Waves

Found:
The last event charlie tell us... about leaving the Planet...
100 years ahead of the GC


Quoted:
Betelgeuse BOOM - Calamitas Apocalyptica


Some who read "Might Betelgeuse go BOOM?" were correct that I did not do a good job on spelling out the sequences of what can happen with such a Supernova and the time factors involved. It was both an oversight on my part to spell out a specific time frame and clarifying the terminology. The consequences are not that hard to grasp but sequence and time factors are.

There will be the initial shock wave that is the bright light in the sky but that one event can set into motion four phases of bad things, each with a time frame of when it would happen. The initial bright light may not be without horrible consequences for our planet when the Supernova notice first appears in the sky.
That alone may be the first of many massive hits on our home planet or it might be the only hit needed to end us on this planet. The bright light and its accompanying issues may well be the beginning of the end for Earth.

The shock wave may be headed at us already, or start on its journey today or 10, 20 years from now. Due to the Pandora's Box of bad things that can happen, some of us will not make it but hopefully some of us will. That is explained below.

The three early parts of the event are fairly easy to predict.
They all get put into motion when we see the bright light in the sky. The final fourth phase depends on many factors and it will take much longer in time to arrive or calculate when it will arrive.

***
<font color="red">Scientists already know that the core collapse phenomenon does alter the gravity realities in that area of the Cosmos and one of the side effects is a single large or multiple smaller gravity waves depending on how the core collapsed, tried to resist collapse, etc. [/COLOR]

***

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