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Re: Independent Source tells about TGC

I am not sure... All I could envision is if say Pluto / Neptune were on the other side of the solar system as nibiru approaches and that the effect on those planets would not be as obvious as compared to if they were on the nearer side as nibiru approached close enough to have an effect on them.

No doubt the distances involved from one side of each of the outer planets orbits of the solar system is huge....as would the orbit of Nibiru (with it being much bigger and more elliptic (if it exists)) It would also take many years for pluto to orbit around , I believe about 248 yrs..

No doubt, It is all very complex when you take such things into consideration.

there is some quite complex technical details on how the orbits compare with neptune on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto

ref to....
However, this alone is not enough to protect Pluto; perturbations from the planets (especially Neptune) such as orbital precession would adjust Pluto's orbit so that a collision could be possible over millions of years. Some other mechanism or mechanisms must therefore be at work. The most significant of these is that Pluto lies in the 3:2 mean motion resonance with Neptune: for every three of Neptune's orbits around the Sun, Pluto makes two. The two objects then return to their initial positions and the cycle repeats, each cycle lasting about 500 years. This pattern is configured so that, in each 500-year cycle, the first time Pluto is near perihelion Neptune is over 50° behind Pluto


I agree though that if Nibiru has approached to within side plutos orbit that it should cause
the outer planets quite severe disturbance if they are within a certain distance to it..

It is quite amazing that such a small planetery body as Pluto effects Neptunes orbit so much.

yet recently I believe that Pluto is no longer classed as a planet....which Is a bit unusual..
As you refer

Pluto and its largest moon, Charon, are sometimes treated together as a binary system because the barycentre of their orbits does not lie within either body.

Originally classified as a planet,Pluto is now considered the largest member of a distinct population called the Kuiper belt.

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If? The real "if" is that if a planetary body currently lies outside the orbit of Pluto in the Kuiper Belt where is the evidence in the form of orbital perturbation? Orbital perturbation is how Pluto itself was discovered. Pluto is tiny on the planetary scale but it has sufficient mass to perturb the orbit of Neptune...which is how Lowell predicted the location of and untimately discovered Pluto (Pluto is actually a binary planetoid system Pluto-Charon).

So, where's the perturbation of Pluto-Charon and/or Neptune? It should be obvious given that this dog is supposed to flip the Earth head-over-heals. Pluto-Charon is the largest mass body/system in the Kuiper belt.
 
Re: Independent Source tells about TGC

Boy is it going to be fun to watch recall ignore everyone when nothing happens, no Niburu comes, the polos do not shift, and some of us start asking him what happened!

Recall has been on the tragedy gloom-and-doom predicting bandwagon almost since he arrived. And of course none of his past warnings have come true. But he has been so vocal about this (including trying to hijack any other thread he can in any other forum) that it will be a pleasure to chide him when this one goes nowhere.

RMT
 
Re: Independent Source tells about TGC

Just my 2 cents worth,

If its a Hoax, I think that there is many others much worse than recall on certain other Forums that I have looked at that will have a lot to be accountable and that will have a hard time of it... Some are selling books/materials etc on it etc and not just making free available material on Forums like this...

I wonder if those selling items will be offering refunds.. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

BUT at the same time, It will be a case that they will say that well it was better to be prepared and wrong than not even research it.... this will be an easy excuse to get out of it for any conman...



At the end of the day Its one of the most amazing things / stories that I have ever come across in my Lifetime be if real of just fiction...

And with the 2012 issue its not only Planet X that will be leading up to this date that will be
a big thing... as theres so many other factors from history and various cultures etc that I suspect the masses will still make a big deal about it.. that this alone could cause mass panic.
even to the extent of causing further SEVERE financial meltdown.

No doubt some of us are more gullable or less intellegent/educated than others and may be easier led to wonder about such things..

At the moment its the next big thing / story since the YK2 concerns back in 2000.
 
Re: Independent Source tells about TGC

timecycle,

If its a Hoax, I think that there is many others much worse than recall on certain other Forums that I have looked at that will have a lot to be accountable and that will have a hard time of it... Some are selling books/materials etc on it etc and not just making free available material on Forums like this...
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While this is certainly true, I am not worried about those other forums. I am only concerned with recall's actions here. But in general, I find hoaxers and propagators of hoaxes extremely distasteful because of their impact on real scientific investigations and methods.

BUT at the same time, It will be a case that they will say that well it was better to be prepared and wrong than not even research it.... this will be an easy excuse to get out of it for any conman...
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And the problem with this excuse is that which is omitted. By whipping up a frenzy for a fantastic (and highly unlikely) claim, anyone who heeds their warnings and "prepares" based on this unfounded data is also being harmed in that they could have devoted time, energy, and money to this hoax, and in doing so avoided expending time, energy, and money on preparing for something much more likely (such as losing their jobs due to a bad economy).

Now I would like to call attention to recall's signature line... specifically this part:

<font color="red"> "Remember: this whole thing is about self-responsibility" [/COLOR]

With that being recall's signature line, it is reasonable to think he believes in self-responsibility. So the question I have is this: When Niburu does not appear and wreak havoc, as predicted in this thread and on so many conspiracy websites, will recall abide by his own signature line and take responsibility for all his actions here? Will he step up and admit he was wrong, and will he apologize for needlessly trying to whip people into a fearful frenzy? His past record in this regard is poor.....very poor. If you go back and review many of his older threads, you will see recall was predicting/warning about various other gloom and doom scenarios that others around the internet were predicting (Project Scamalot is one of his favorites). And to this day recall has never apologized, issued a "mea culpa", or in any other way taken responsibility for his actions. Based on this past record, it is reasonable to believe that recall will not take responsibility for this Niburu crap when nothing happens.

And with the 2012 issue its not only Planet X that will be leading up to this date that will be
a big thing... as theres so many other factors from history and various cultures etc that I suspect the masses will still make a big deal about it.. that this alone could cause mass panic.
even to the extent of causing further SEVERE financial meltdown.
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As with Y2K, one can actually find some level of viable truth and reason to have some level of concern. But nothing like we saw leading up to Y2K and what we are seeing in some circles as we approach 2012. Yes, it was reasonable to be wary of Y2K because of the programming shortcut that we realized could cause some problems. But it was most certainly not a reason to quit your job, build a shelter in the underground in the desert or other deserted place, stock up on ammo, and hunker down.

2012 is the same thing. And I would convince you, and anyone else, to pay attention to VALID SCIENCE to understand what is going on and what could come to pass... not pseudo-science and crackpots who wish to tell you that they know exactly what is going to happen. Usually these people point to extremely broad (and likely just plain wrong) "interpretations" of material from some past. Whereas science uses data.

Let me point you to one of the most important aspects of science that has a high likelihood of being connected to what will happen in 2012 (and indeed what is already happening). That aspect is the extreme quiet status of Sol. We know that the sunspot activity on Sol follows a cyclical pattern. All cycles in nature are induced by external factors to the observed phenomenon. These factors are also typically cyclical in nature and through the principal of superposition the phases of the external cycle can and usually is related to the phases of the observed cycle.

To be more specific: The Mayans were excellent astronomers. And they nailed the precession effect of the earth's axis and related it to our motion with respect to the center of the galaxy (the great void). It is quite possible that Sol's sunspot cycles are related to the effects of heavenly bodies external to our solar system. The familiar date of Dec 21, 2012 that is always batted around represents when the earth will coincide with the center of the great void. But what is rarely discussed is that right now, here in mid-2009, the earth is already beginning to enter this great void. And we should not ignore that there could very well be a connection between this occurrence and the extreme solar activity minimum that we are experiencing.

Things most certainly are changing here on earth, and quite a few of them could very well be tied to cosmological influences. A great many scientists are suggesting (despite the concocted fear of Anthropogenic Global Warming) that we could be entering the next cyclical cooling phase. This could certainly be related to the low activity of Sol we are currently experiencing, and this could, in turn, be related to the earth passing thru the Great Void. The Void is there for a scientific reason...one we may not have all the answers on right now. But we are certainly lucky to live at this time, such that we can collect data on it and study that data for many years.

Do you understand what I am getting at?
RMT
 
Re: Independent Source tells about TGC

Hi Rainman,

yes you make some very good and solid points...

I have not as yet followed this forum that long or in in as much detail to be able to make a full analysis of what you have said...or Recalls full past comments...

BUT...

Yes I agree that It is a possibly very irresponsible to suggest certain things like Planet X without being more certain about the facts...But at the same time I also realise that many people are totally overwhelmed by the various forums and youtube videos that have been created on the net and it becomes almost their mission to post things that they are led to believe that it starts to become like a growing religion.

without wanting to offend the religious.. those who dont believe in it... will say Religion was spread in a similar way and was also a hoax...

On the one hand yes, it can be harmful as in the examples that you refer to... that side I do not
deny.... but at the same time many people think that they are doing it to warn others as they really fully believe it... and I agree this is a real issue if it is a hoax....

I was aware of some of the other aspects of 2012 that you refer to as well as aware of many post
and information that refers to solar sun activity.... BUT I dont think that I was aware of the
Great Void...

I may be wrong without rechecking fully, but...I think Recall has refered to sun and solar activity as well as PX but Maybe he was indicating PX may have been the main cause of the solar activity...


When I have had time to consider things a bit more , I hope to make some further comments.
 
Re: Independent Source tells about TGC

Recall

the link just took me to youtube and no specific video..

can you resend the link..
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Indeed the link said:

<font color="red"> Video removed by User [/COLOR]

but i got a stiil from these...

still1.png
 
Re: Independent Source tells about TGC

timecycle,

In reply to:
If its a Hoax, I think that there is many others much worse than recall on certain other Forums that I have looked at that will have a lot to be accountable and that will have a hard time of it... Some are selling books/materials etc on it etc and not just making free available material on Forums like this...



While this is certainly true, I am not worried about those other forums. I am only concerned with recall's actions here. But in general, I find hoaxers and propagators of hoaxes extremely distasteful because of their impact on real scientific investigations and methods.

In reply to:
BUT at the same time, It will be a case that they will say that well it was better to be prepared and wrong than not even research it.... this will be an easy excuse to get out of it for any conman...



And the problem with this excuse is that which is omitted. By whipping up a frenzy for a fantastic (and highly unlikely) claim, anyone who heeds their warnings and "prepares" based on this unfounded data is also being harmed in that they could have devoted time, energy, and money to this hoax, and in doing so avoided expending time, energy, and money on preparing for something much more likely (such as losing their jobs due to a bad economy).

Now I would like to call attention to recall's signature line... specifically this part:

"Remember: this whole thing is about self-responsibility"

With that being recall's signature line, it is reasonable to think he believes in self-responsibility. So the question I have is this: When Niburu does not appear and wreak havoc, as predicted in this thread and on so many conspiracy websites, will recall abide by his own signature line and take responsibility for all his actions here? Will he step up and admit he was wrong, and will he apologize for needlessly trying to whip people into a fearful frenzy? His past record in this regard is poor.....very poor. If you go back and review many of his older threads, you will see recall was predicting/warning about various other gloom and doom scenarios that others around the internet were predicting (Project Scamalot is one of his favorites). And to this day recall has never apologized, issued a "mea culpa", or in any other way taken responsibility for his actions. Based on this past record, it is reasonable to believe that recall will not take responsibility for this Niburu crap when nothing happens.

In reply to:
And with the 2012 issue its not only Planet X that will be leading up to this date that will be
a big thing... as theres so many other factors from history and various cultures etc that I suspect the masses will still make a big deal about it.. that this alone could cause mass panic.
even to the extent of causing further SEVERE financial meltdown.



As with Y2K, one can actually find some level of viable truth and reason to have some level of concern. But nothing like we saw leading up to Y2K and what we are seeing in some circles as we approach 2012. Yes, it was reasonable to be wary of Y2K because of the programming shortcut that we realized could cause some problems. But it was most certainly not a reason to quit your job, build a shelter in the underground in the desert or other deserted place, stock up on ammo, and hunker down.

2012 is the same thing. And I would convince you, and anyone else, to pay attention to VALID SCIENCE to understand what is going on and what could come to pass... not pseudo-science and crackpots who wish to tell you that they know exactly what is going to happen. Usually these people point to extremely broad (and likely just plain wrong) "interpretations" of material from some past. Whereas science uses data.

Let me point you to one of the most important aspects of science that has a high likelihood of being connected to what will happen in 2012 (and indeed what is already happening). That aspect is the extreme quiet status of Sol. We know that the sunspot activity on Sol follows a cyclical pattern. All cycles in nature are induced by external factors to the observed phenomenon. These factors are also typically cyclical in nature and through the principal of superposition the phases of the external cycle can and usually is related to the phases of the observed cycle.

To be more specific: The Mayans were excellent astronomers. And they nailed the precession effect of the earth's axis and related it to our motion with respect to the center of the galaxy (the great void). It is quite possible that Sol's sunspot cycles are related to the effects of heavenly bodies external to our solar system. The familiar date of Dec 21, 2012 that is always batted around represents when the earth will coincide with the center of the great void. But what is rarely discussed is that right now, here in mid-2009, the earth is already beginning to enter this great void. And we should not ignore that there could very well be a connection between this occurrence and the extreme solar activity minimum that we are experiencing.

Things most certainly are changing here on earth, and quite a few of them could very well be tied to cosmological influences. A great many scientists are suggesting (despite the concocted fear of Anthropogenic Global Warming) that we could be entering the next cyclical cooling phase. This could certainly be related to the low activity of Sol we are currently experiencing, and this could, in turn, be related to the earth passing thru the Great Void. The Void is there for a scientific reason...one we may not have all the answers on right now. But we are certainly lucky to live at this time, such that we can collect data on it and study that data for many years.

Do you understand what I am getting at?
RMT
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Is time to get your meds!!!

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Re: Independent Source tells about TGC

Hello

Is there a Mike on this forum whos a member of PX STH forum ran by MM

IF so can you please private message me..
 
ART imitating a future event?

as the time i write here, some info has start to "flow"

ART imitating a future event?
more "truth" on the Miniseries "IMPACT" 6/21 6/28

impactz.jpg


quoted: <font color="blue">
The world watches as a large meteor shower streaks across the skies. Hidden in the meteor field is a brown dwarf , a dead star. It smashes into the moon in a tremendous explosion of rock and debris. Fragments of the moon itself penetrate Earth's atmosphere and make impact. Even though initial damage is minimal, nerves are frayed throughout the planet. Experts quickly conclude there will be no lasting ramifications. Then strange anomalies begin to manifest themselves on Earth. It starts small -- cell phone disruptions, unusual static charges and odd tidal behavior. The world's leading scientists, including Alex Kittner (David James Elliott), Maddie Rhodes (Natasha Henstridge) and Roland Emerson (Benjamin Sandler), begin piecing together evidence that suggests that the moon and its orbit may have been permanently altered. Their fears are realized when the anomalies increase to the point where the effect of gravity is being manipulated by increased electromagnetic surges coming from the moon. People, cars and other objects are rendered momentarily weightless in random, isolated areas around the globe. Alex, Maddie, Roland and the rest of their team soon discover something far worse -- the moon's new orbit has put it on a collision course with Earth! [/COLOR]

end quoted
from:
http://abc.go.com/specials/impact/index?pn=index

see trailer here:

link to youtube
 
Re: ART imitating a future event?

It's the aliens making them clouds look that way.

Every time they turn on the Insinkerator in their UFOs when they go thru the clouds this happens.

I know cuz I was on a flight test in one of them. They needed my flight control engineering services or they never would have made it to Rigel on time.

I made bank on that job.

RMT
 
Re: ART imitating a future event?

Not according to the Daily Mail... They say Experts at the Royal Meteorological Society want to rename this type of formation and are now attempting to make it official by naming it 'Asperatus' after the Latin word for 'rough'.
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"Cirrus clouds are characterized by thin, wisplike strands, often accompanied by tufts, leading to their common (non-standard) name of mare's tail.[1] Sometimes these clouds are so extensive that they are virtually indistinguishable from one another, forming a sheet of cirrus called cirrostratus. Sometimes convection at high altitudes produces another form of cirrus called cirrocumulus, a pattern of small cloud tufts which include droplets of supercooled water.

Many cirrus clouds produce hair like filaments made of the heavier ice crystals that precipitate from them. These "fall streaks", a form of virga, often indicate the difference in the motion of air (wind shear) between the upper part of the cirrus cloud and the air below it. Sometimes the top of the cirrus cloud is moving rapidly above a slower layer of air, or the streak is falling into a faster moving lower layer. The directions of these winds can also vary."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrus_cloud

it is a cirrus cloud. if they do reclassify this certain one, it will fall under the cirrus family. cirrocumulus would probably be it.
 
Re: ART imitating a future event?

ruthless is doing a fine job with this one.

Don't let the people at ZetaTalk or GodLikeProductions take you on some fantasy ride here, claiming these clouds are due to something like an "earth wobble"...or Niburu! And when they say they have no "name", what they are really saying is they do not have a specific name for this sub-cloud species formation. Think of it like a sub-genus for classifying cloud formations similar to how we do for animal and plant species. We always want to break things down from higher level names and give unique names to lower-level organizations of the higher-level things. Here is a good wiki on the basic types of clouds, and it also has a section where it lists the "sub-cloud types":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cloud_types

It is this sub-cloud category that they wish to add a new type to, represented by these seen in the photo. But I would probably side with ruthless as them being in the cirrocumulus as far as the main cloud type.

The thing to realize about clouds is that they are natures means of flow visualization. What you are seeing in clouds are the actual fluid dynamics of the flows that are shaping them. Note also in the article that they say these clouds form over parts of Scotland and New Zealand. Well, what do these two areas have in common? They are both on islands that are close enough to mainlands to have interesting, swirling weather patterns seen in both places, and they also both have highlands on those islands. The combination of the ocean weather patterns combining with the highlands of land on the islands likely result in these fluid flow patterns on a semi-regular basis.

Neat, but there are no conspiracies or "earth changes", nor even aliens that are responsible for these beautiful formations. Just good old nature doing her thing being beautiful and complex. You are actually looking at a fractal formation, mathematically speaking.

RMT
 
Re: ART imitating a future event?

cloud-600x350.jpg
There are three main groups of clouds: cumulus, cirrus and stratus. Each has various sub-classifications built on other details of the formation.

Brant Foote, a longtime scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., said the clouds photographed by Wiggins already fit into the existing cumulus classification.

But Pretor-Pinney, who never studied meteorology, believes the clouds merit their own cumulus sub-classification. He proposes they be called altocumulus undulatus asperatus. The last word -- Latin for roughen or agitate -- is a reference to the clouds' undulating surface.
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http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/06/12/cloud-photograph.html

the guy never studied meteorology, so its doubtful his classification will stick.
 
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