God?

Hi Rhudey,

I think that claiming that the US was necessary in overthrowing Hitler is somewhat incorrect. They did "speed up" the process

And speeding up the process was critical to defeating Hitler. Are you aware that the reason the US rushed to develop the atomic bomb was because they knew Heisenberg and Bohr were doing the same for Germany? Not only that, but Germany had a long-range bomber ready to deliver the bomb to New York City. The incessant carpet bombing of Germany was one of many keys to disrupting their development. I think it is quite fair to say that, had the US not entered the war and provided significant troops and equipment, the world would be a very different place today.

RMT
 
Hi Rainman

Are you aware that the reason the US rushed to develop the atomic bomb was because they knew Heisenberg and Bohr were doing the same for Germany? Not only that, but Germany had a long-range bomber ready to deliver the bomb to New York City. The incessant carpet bombing of Germany was one of many keys to disrupting their development

Actually I didn't know that, I had a feeling that I was going to get myself in trouble when I made my post. Although I think it is safe to say that everyone played an important part in victory, even us canucks
. I watched the Normandy anniversary on tv this year and it was nice to see that they still remember and appreciate all the sacrifices made.
 
I think that claiming that the US was necessary in overthrowing Hitler is somewhat incorrect.

I've looked back at this and I realize that what I typed was not what I really meant to say. I think what I meant was "responsible" for overthrowing Hitler. It is talked about like they went overseas and saved the day single handedly sometimes when in fact it was a group effort. I agree with "necessary", maybe we should just forget I ever posted this and move on to time travel or even god again.
 
I think what I meant was "responsible" for overthrowing Hitler. It is talked about like they went overseas and saved the day single handedly sometimes when in fact it was a group effort. I agree with "necessary",

Oh yes, I fully agree with this! It was completely a group effort of nations in the end. No one country is "responsible" for winning the war in this sense.

Although I think it is safe to say that everyone played an important part in victory, even us canucks

No argument there, and no argument that the British and French were also major elements in the war. And no doubt that Russia's influence was at least as great as America's, if not greater given the size of the eastern front.

The context of the point I was making to trollface was related to the fact that America's entry into both WW I and WW II was the critical factor in bringing enough military power to bear to end the war. America has always taken action in a time of need for its allies. We have "been there" for Europe in these two wars, and we helped rebuild Europe after both of them, and we forgave a MASSIVE debt in these rebuildings. We did the same with Japan. Our actions today in Afghanistan and Iraq are not only to protect ourselves, but others, from the spread of terrorism. Seeing how Germany and Japan have become thriving, responsible democracies since their defeat in WW II, America has also learned the lesson of extending the hand of friendship to the conquered in the hope of allowing them to rebuild into a successful democracy.

Trollface seems to just see us (and our president) as warmongers. Yet our history shows us as using our military only when necessary to prevent larger loss of innocent life, as well as being highly compassionate to the people of the countries we have cleaned-up.

RMT
 
But, did it ever occur to you that maybe there could be a slight possibility that god doesn't show himself for the simple reason that he doesn't exist? Just a thought.

No. In the past..yes. I have had too many experiences that ( for me ) clearly demonstrates He does indeed exist. As an example, today I became very, very, very angry. I usually do not become as emotional as I did today. I was thinking of all kinds of actions to take in revenge.
I can be rather creative in the revenge department ( as in hanging a car from a tree with the assitance of a tow truck driver friend )and couldn't think of anything else but revenge.
As I was driving home, a car stopped right in the middle of the road for no apparrent reason. As I got closer I noticed there was a huge sticker on the back window that said "JESUS" and looking at the license plate..It read...."JsHere4u".
The car sped off as soon as I had finished reading both the window sticker and the license plate. My anger was gone. Coincidence, perhaps, but the timing was dead on. And this is only one example of many experiences. God does leave clues here and there, one only has to "see" them.
 
Trollface seems to just see us (and our president) as warmongers. Yet our history shows us as using our military only when necessary to prevent larger loss of innocent life, as well as being highly compassionate to the people of the countries we have cleaned-up.

On this point I have to diverge a bit and say that I disagree. The soldiers themselves may have compassion, but the politicians don't.
And to reply to Trollfaces comment about letting Saddam go and restoring him to power...yeah, now that would really happen!
 
The reason I think it's arrogant, is because you think you know all these things, while in my view they're complete and utter nonsense.

You are saying the unity, integration, and interdependence of all things is complete and utter nonsense? So are you saying you don't buy that all Mass, Space, and Time dimensions of our known universe integrate into a single concept called energy? Are you denying that this is true?

I had thought that you not only understood the Massive SpaceTime integrated matrix model, but that you accepted its truth as described by all forms of the Energy Equations which are the basis of physics and thermodynamics.

I don't know if you've noticed, but many wars and conflicts in the world concern religion. I think the world would be much better off without religions.

Oh I agree completely. What it really needs is a global spirituality. But is just seems that you always strictly associate religion and spirituality. This is part of the point I have been trying to get across to you, but it seems like you always want to treat them as the same and interchangeable. Religion is nothing more than man-made rules and rituals. Spirituality is transcendent of the physical human experience, and it is more an individual journey than it is a codified set of "church laws".

Whoa there... I'm not saying you are obviously wrong, I'm merely giving my opinion. I even stated several times that I can't proof god doesn't exist. YOU are the one who keeps telling me I'm wrong and that what you say is true, no matter what I believe. In other words, you don't respect my opinion.

Well, I respect your opinion, but I am trying to help you understand how that opinion is based on the limited data delivered to you by your perceptions. Just because your senses deliver a message of "truth" to you that you are distinct and separate from all other things in the universe does not necessarily make it so. You ARE part and parcel of a massive, integrated, universal sea of energy. Yet you perceive yourself as a chunk of mass, occupying parts of space, over a finite length of time. That perception is incomplete because it separates you from the integrated sea of energy. Do you believe that your perception of reality is limited and incomplete?

The spiritual path is one of integrating the body and the consciousness with the rest of the universal energy, and in doing so increasing your perceptions and awareness of the wholeness and unity of the universe. This is the only way you will come to understand that there really is a God, whose body is represented as the sum total of all universal energy. As long as you remain content that your senses tell you "the whole truth and all the truth", you will never be called down a path to raise your perceptions and awareness. Again, I am sorry if this sounds arrogant, but all I am describing is the same spiritual path of enlightenment that the great masters before us have described. And the mathematics of energy, as described by our sciences, it a large part of that path.

RMT
 
Are you aware that the reason the US rushed to develop the atomic bomb was because they knew Heisenberg and Bohr were doing the same for Germany?

Bohr was working for the Allies during WWII. And are you aware that after the war, when Heisenberg was captured it was discovered that the Germans couldn't have built a bomb because they didn't really have a clue? Well, there's a theory that Heisenberg actually did know, but purposely delayed the project, but I'm not sure how much creedence I give that.

Bohr: http://www.doug-long.com/bohr.htm

Heisenberg: http://www.brown.edu/Students/Catalyst/pre2001/archive/spring98/articles/bomb.html

You might find there declassified behind-the-scenes documents to be somewhat enlightening, too: http://www.dannen.com/decision/

Q Do you feel that President Truman and those immediately below him gave full and conscientious study to all the alternatives to use of the atomic bomb?

A I do not think they did. They thought only in terms of our having to end the war by military means.

I don't think Japan would have surrendered unconditionally without the use of force. But there was no need to demand the unconditional surrender of Japan. If we had offered Japan the kind of peace treaty which we actually gave her, we could have had a negotiated peace.

[...]

Q Would a demonstration have been feasible?

A It is easy to see, at least in retrospect, how an effective demonstration could have been staged. We could have communicated with Japan through regular diplomatic channels - say, through Switzerland - and explained to the Japanese that we didn't want to kill anybody, and therefore proposed that one city - say, Hiroshima - be evacuated. Then one single bomber would come and drop one single bomb.

But again, I don't believe this staging a demonstration was the real issue, and in a sense it is just as immoral to force a sudden ending of a war by threatening violence as by using violence. My point is that violence would not have been necessary if we had been willing to negotiate. After all, Japan was suing for peace.

Q Did you know that fully at the time?

A No. All I knew at that time was that we had won the war, that Japan had not the ghost of a chance of winning it and that she must know this. It did not matter just how far gone the Japanese were; if they knew they would not win the war, if they knew they would lose it in the end, that is all that matters.

Trollface seems to just see us (and our president) as warmongers.

I believe that the war in Iraq was unnecesary and based on false evidence - a wiew which has been backed up by official inquiries carried out by both of our countrys. Do you deny or question the findings of the SIC and Lord Butler?

Yet our history shows us as using our military only when necessary to prevent larger loss of innocent life, as well as being highly compassionate to the people of the countries we have cleaned-up.

In every instance in history? So you'd count Vietnam as both necessary and successful, would you?

You have to judge each situation on it's merits, and the descisions of other past Presidents do not bear relevence to the descisions of the current one.

OvrLrdLegion said:
And to reply to Trollfaces comment about letting Saddam go and restoring him to power...yeah, now that would really happen!

I agree. He's going to be decapitated live on TV. But the point is, if he can demonstrate clearly and without question that legally he should be aquitted, then Iraq's government are never going to be seen as legitimate. Many already think of them as a puppet government of the US'. Those who follow al-Sadr, for example, how do you think they will react to a "autonomous" "soverign" government who not only have to mantain established laws created by the US and who cannot revoke them, but who "do the US' dirty work for them"? Unless the trial is seen to be fair and scrupulous, rather than "victor's justice", then Iraq never has a chance of being free of civil unrest, insurgents and out and out terrorism, both from within and without it's boarders. Similarly, the entire Middle Eastern region has no chance of stability. bin Laden will have a field day.

I can't understand why people are seemingly opposed to the idea of a lawful and fair arrest and trial. Is that not the entire concept of justice and democracy? I've had Rainman telling me that debate is worthless next to military action, telling me that politics is not as much of a good thing as military might. Are politics, democracy and justice concepts that we should only embrace when they work in our favour, and that we should abandon when they might possibly work against us?
 
I can't understand why people are seemingly opposed to the idea of a lawful and fair arrest and trial. Is that not the entire concept of justice and democracy? I've had Rainman telling me that debate is worthless next to military action, telling me that politics is not as much of a good thing as military might. Are politics, democracy and justice concepts that we should only embrace when they work in our favour, and that we should abandon when they might possibly work against us?

Most of us are not opposed to such an ideal. A majority of those that discuss the international policies at work agree that the United States is engaged in self-serving practices...based on monetary gain, perhaps a response to a request from Isreal? or shift of power. It would seem to me that there are many other routes that could have been employed other than military action. The government had to manufacture reasons for the public to support going to war. Saddam was a scape goat.

He just happened to possess enough negative aspects to make it easier to point the finger at. The purposes have been acheived to an extent. Most of the other middle eastern countries are a tad nervous with all the military hardware in such close proximity. And I am sure they were suprised at how fast Saddam's Regime fell, and this was probably one of the politicians reasons to go over there, a demonstration of power. Aside from monetary motives...for every piece of hardware lost or used ...more jobs to build replacements, etc.
 
"I can't understand why people are seemingly opposed to the idea of a lawful and fair arrest and trial. Is that not the entire concept of justice and democracy?"

Do Islamic fundamentalists respect and abide by these ideals? It seems to me that these types of people are trying to destroy justice and democracy. And all in the name of God, no less. Perhaps speaking the language they understand is more appropriate than trying to apply our ideals to them? Perhaps we should be kidnapping them as they do us?
 
Re:Differncces east and west God?

I don't want knocks on my door, and an interview asking if I am a loyal citizen or not.

So my statement is tailored to time travel historians only and not for this contemporary forum.

There was a detent in the Arab world, concerning the last of the crusades.

This was a peace that was brought out after, the crusades.This was due to the damage that was caused by the attempted securing of a religious object only and these were the chalice of Christ and the spear that had pierced his side.

Thousands of people lost their lives, over these two items.

Time had passed and we are left with the last meetings between Queen Isabella of Spain and the Moors, which she fought against.

This was a detent.

The Arab world has their erotica, but this taste is based for them to understand only.

They don't like the west and the influences that are brought over to their countries and this shows in some of the comments that they steer our way.

Our own medical industry barrows heavily from past Arab contributions and without the Arab world, maybe our, besides the oil, would be slightly less.

Their fundamentalist clerics, don't want western influence within their society.This influence any more, than Baptist would want, say Jewish intervenes tion into their church, as some of the concepts of how each religion functions, are diametrically opposed.

I don't think that you can lump them all in a basket.

You have to give some of them, some leeway, as when we got involved in the middleast again, we defiantly broke this level of detent.

So the Christian world, is right smack dab in the same conflict that detent had set free of years before.

We can't apply our system of laws to them, as they go by a differing concept of theology and trying to force them to adopt western views, is of course,.... going to cause problems.

This is not my view, by a view held by many.

Maybe the concept of erotica shops in some section of the Arab world, is too much for some of the more fundamentalist in their world, to comprehend?

I'm not doing, saying this to rake muck, or expose a political ideology, but to only sight respectively who is who.

I could not force my idea of building an international shuttle on Rainmantime, even though we would work well together?

His concepts although in many ways the same as mine, are too differing.

Look at the collective works of science fiction author C.J. Cheerygh.
link http://www.myunicorn.com/bibl1/bibl0134.html

On one of the covers of her book there is painted, a group of Bedouin looking Arab type people and in the distant foreground, a huge spaceship taking off.

This is it seems to say, that the visitors went their way and the Bedouins went theirs.

The cover for this book, is about ten years ago, or more.

I'm only venturing to say, that true understanding of the Arab world; even though like other societies we have barrowed from, is sadly lacking.

I was horrified to both hear and see what had come out of the Abu Zah-grieb Prison, (phonetically spelled) and there is little hope for normalization now.

If you want other cultures to understand and respect you, you certainly don't do things, as was recently done to those prisoners in Iraq.

It will never be safe for westerns to walk the streets in Iraq now.

I'm claiming middle of the road here, but don't lump all Islamics into one basket, as some of them would do to us.

By doing so, you place the entire issue wrong and only stir up more distrust and hostility.

We need those qualities in this society today, of mistrust and hostility.......?!
 
Re:Differncces east and west God?

Gd is a hierarchy, THE HIERARCHY!!!

No offense. What you are saying are exactly the same thing cults and New-Agers are spreading.

No Nicknack its not a cult, it's Ecology at its finest!!!

Lack of awareness of the basic unity of organism and environment is a serious and dangerous hallucination... /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Re:Differncces east and west God?

With all due respect to CAT, I think what most people are not getting here, is that the God Angelic hierarchies, are similar in the real sense, to auto manufacturers.

I feel that in some part had helped make mankind, but now, they might be thinking of moving on?

The area where I found this, was in my talk with the sub-Angelic helpers known as the Elders.

The question was simply placed to them,. (If mankind becomes so overgrown, then it would be immediately efficacious to transplant Earthbased mankind, so that he would do better elsewhere, like transplanted plants in an overcrowded garden)?

There answers were my future and cures for cancer, which I appreciate, however they had sidestepped the issue of have to deal with my question.

The reason they could not answer, is that they both did not understand the question and were not equipped to fashion an answer.

Their out of time beings, how would they have a direct awareness of what it is to be human, or how to live within that junction?

This leaves us at the point, like a bunch of shade tree auto buffs, who have a vintage auto, placed beneath a tree.

One guy says, "Well if we copy their address off the rocker panel tag and then mail them we might be able to find a fuel pump replacement"?

Another guy realizes what this situation is ands says, "I think that they not only disbanded, but also tore down the plant and all distributors making this auto"?

That in reality is what has happened to this Earthbased mankind.

The model was sure produced, but in a company way, being both able and allowed to do anything for that model of Earthbased man.......?

It's like the fight scene in the movie the Fifth Element, where Bruce Willis is pinned down by the enemy. in on the ballroom floor of a space going hover over the ocean liner. Benson ask a transvestite cross dresser, a burley guy, to toss him his weapon.

The guy looks at the weapon and instead rolls over a white q-ball, as he has lost the meaning of what a weapon is.

In the second book The Andreasson Affair, there is ample evidence of this, by the Gem robots abducting the Wong guy.

This is unheard of as there is never supposed to be any mistake in celestial order given from God down the chain of command.

The Devil was just a counterpoint, as without him, there could have also been no mankind here on Earth.

Maybe he too, was forced into roles, that he could not totally control or content with, as a part of 9/11?

Maybe he came to someone's house, threw himself into an extra hot washing machines?

As the washer tumbler spun around the entire washing machine shaking, Satan said, "Oh' why the hell did I have to be made to do this and be a part of this staged drama for mankind.((I hate myself, for having to be there and watch those poor people, jump out of their windows to their deaths.

Maybe Satan is too so fed up with things, that he too does not even like the people who worship him, due to the circumstances that were set up this way?
 
You are saying the unity, integration, and interdependence of all things is complete and utter nonsense?

No... I was referring specifically to "god". You're so convinced of his existence that you *think* it's the truth, while I think the exact opposite.

So are you saying you don't buy that all Mass, Space, and Time dimensions of our known universe integrate into a single concept called energy? Are you denying that this is true?

No, you're twisting my words. I DO think there is "a truth" in what you are saying, I just don't think it is THE truth. Like I said, I'm open to new theories and experiences, but I'm not very gullible. The Massive SpaceTime integrated matrix model seems very logical to me and it's a great theory.


But is just seems that you always strictly associate religion and spirituality.

Your assumption is correct. It "just seems". I don't strictly associate religion and spirituality. I know people who are very spiritual, but do not have any affection to a religion whatsoever. I guess even I'm spiritual in a way to.


Just because your senses deliver a message of "truth" to you that you are distinct and separate from all other things in the universe does not necessarily make it so.

In my opinion senses are all we have, besides our imaginative powers. How do you "know" that god exists. Is it a feeling, is it something you saw? If the senses that I base my believes on are deceiving me, then so might yours. What guarantee do you have that god isn't just an illusion as well? To cut it short; what you said applies to you as well.

That perception is incomplete because it separates you from the integrated sea of energy.

Do you remember my post about the sea of energy, one or two weeks ago? I do subscribe to the sea of energy theory. But the way I see it, no one can be seperated from this sea of energy.


Do you believe that your perception of reality is limited and incomplete?

Yes, just as limited and incomplete as your perception. I do believe there are "senses" that we could not even start to describe. I must add that I believe this as a theory and I don't accept it as the truth.


As long as you remain content that your senses tell you "the whole truth and all the truth", you will never be called down a path to raise your perceptions and awareness.

I do not believe that my senses tell me "the whole truth and all the truth" and I don't know where you got that idea. I DO believe that my senses are the only tools with which I can validate theories. In fact, you're the one who thinks that he found "the whole truth and all the truth" and as long as you don't acknowledge that your believes are just as good as mine, I think you're living in a fantasyworld.


This is the only way you will come to understand that there really is a God, whose body is represented as the sum total of all universal energy.

I think you should come to the opposite conclusion. In my opinion there is no god and there never will be. I'll be glad to continue this conversation, but as long as you keep acting as if you hold the truth, we might as well move on to another subject.


And now it's time for a beer /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Roel
 
Re: correction on last post.

In my post above, the correct title of the special ops man sent to find the four objects, was Corbin Dallas, not Corbin Benson.
 
Hi Roel,

No... I was referring specifically to "god". You're so convinced of his existence that you *think* it's the truth, while I think the exact opposite.

Yes, and when I speak of energy, which is literally "three gods in one" (Mass, Space, Time), I am telling you a basic truth. The sum total energy of our universe (which, by the laws of thermodynamics, always remains constant) is a physical statement of what God is. God is all (energy). That is why God is neither He nor She. God is It.

No, you're twisting my words. I DO think there is "a truth" in what you are saying, I just don't think it is THE truth. Like I said, I'm open to new theories and experiences, but I'm not very gullible.

OK...I wasn't meaning so much to twist your words as to check what you are really saying. If you are open to new experiences, then you should be open to "THE truth" which is that the three basic elements of our physical perception (Mass, Space, and Time) are fully integrated and combined in the physical thing we call energy. If you were to add-up all Mass, all Space, and all Time of our universal manifold, you would get ALL energy. And it remains constant. Seeking to understand that total unity of energy is the spriritual path of enlightenment. Energy is THE TRUTH, and that is not just according to Ray Hudson, it is according to all established physics. Can you buy this? And don't worry....I don't think you are "gullible" for buying this, otherwise there would be a lot of other "gullible" people. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

It "just seems". I don't strictly associate religion and spirituality. I know people who are very spiritual, but do not have any affection to a religion whatsoever. I guess even I'm spiritual in a way to.

Ahhh, OK good. So if you are spiritual, then that would mean you understand that you have a spirit...right? I mean, it would only make sense. Or rather than spirit, you would agree that there is a "non-physical" piece of you...am I correct?

In my opinion senses are all we have, besides our imaginative powers.

Senses are all we have....in the physical self. And what you call our "imaginative powers" would then fall outside the physical self (and senses). We could call these the non-physical self. Do you accept this?

How do you "know" that god exists. Is it a feeling, is it something you saw? If the senses that I base my believes on are deceiving me, then so might yours.

It was not a "feeling" as in my physical senses. It was not something I "saw" with my physical sense of sight. So therefore, this is why I am certain that my senses are not deceiving me. My knowingness that God exists occurred on levels above the conscious self. For your reference, the conscious self is the level of self that deals and interacts directly with the Massive SpaceTime Matrix (node 10 on the Tree Of Life). The conscious self is aligned with the triad of spheres of 7, 8, and 9 on the Tree Of Life. This conscious self is where your physical senses manifest themselves to your mind. It is where you perceive sight, sound, smell, taste, and touch.

I (and others) have experienced God on the triad levels above conscious. On the Tree Of Life, I refer to them as the levels of Soul and Spirit. Again, I respect your belief if you do not think that you have such levels. But it would seem to me that if you believe you are "spiritual" then you are aware that you have levels of non-physical being beyond your conscious senses. I am just acknowledging that and showing you how your non-physical makeup is identical in terms of its architecture to your physical makeup (your body). The Tree Of Life is that architecture.

I do subscribe to the sea of energy theory. But the way I see it, no one can be seperated from this sea of energy.

And you are right. No one IS separated from this sea of energy. (No one is separated from God) But that is exactly what our conscious mind experience, as infused in our bodies, "reports" to us. We each think of and perceive ourselves as "separate" bodies from the sea of energy. We see ourselves as separate from the rest of the universe by the orthogonal concepts called Mass, Space, and Time.

Yes, just as limited and incomplete as your perception. I do believe there are "senses" that we could not even start to describe.

Yes, both of our physical senses are limited and incomplete. And those "senses" that you think we could not even start to describe? There are those who have perceived them in extreme clarity. And that is exactly what many spiritual masters have described, in several ancient texts.

I DO believe that my senses are the only tools with which I can validate theories.

But if you are spiritual, then you DO have tools beyond your physical senses. And the concept of "theories" takes on a whole new meaning at these levels, as does "belief".

I think you're living in a fantasyworld

Oh, but that is my whole point, Roel. We are ALL living in a fantasy world. That fantasy world is the Matrix of Massive SpaceTime. I only call this model "truth" because it does neatly and compactly explain the 3 physical dimensions that we all seem to agree are "real". Can you describe anything in the universe that is NOT Mass, Space, or Time? The only other thing is Energy, and all our equations of science and engineering tell us that Energy is a 3-way mixture of Mass, Space, and Time.

But you are right... it is ALL a fantasyworld. This is precisely why you cannot trust your perceptions delivered to you by your Massive SpaceTime physical senses. They report to you a small fraction of the "real truth". About 6% or so, according to scientific data on universal energy, as reported by NASA WMAP.

In my opinion there is no god and there never will be. I'll be glad to continue this conversation, but as long as you keep acting as if you hold the truth, we might as well move on to another subject.

Show me where what I have said is not truth. Energy is the ultimate truth that we all live under. We cannot violate the laws of thermodynamics, and they speak to universal energy. I am not "acting" as I hold the truth, I am describing the truth of the integration of Science (Energy) with Spirituality (God). I am not "sorry" (nor arrogant) for telling you that this is a fact.

Energy is the one, single requirement for any and all Creation. You cannot create anything without Energy. You would be dead without Energy. God is the force of Creation, and therefore is Energy...all of it.

Why do you think this is not truth, when Science and Spirituality (which is not religion) have been speaking of these same things for many years?

And now it's time for a beer

I am right there with ya, brother! :D Friday after work is pool, pinball, and beer at my buddy's house in Long Beach. And when I get home, there is no point in not having a few more beers to relax while writing to my internet friends. Enjoy your weekend, Roel!

RMT
 
Re: God and pizza pie

Rainmantime said>Show me where what I have said is not truth. Energy is the ultimate truth that we all live under. We cannot violate the laws of thermodynamics, and they speak to universal energy. I am not "acting" as I hold the truth, I am describing the truth of the integration of Science (Energy) with Spirituality (God). I am not "sorry" (nor arrogant) for telling you that this is a fact.

Creedo answers Rainman's claims by saying;Where you said that is not the truth, is you don't know how to account for God, as an intelligent entity.

Religion creates God, as us being made in his image.

Government creates God as a ruling power.

The worried parishioner creates God, as a needed figure within her own mind, so she can talk to God.

The child who has temporarily died and went to see God, discovers that sometimes, he just likes the company of someone and to represent himself as almost a blue pane of glass, next to a lovely tropical garden.

God gets mad at those, who try to can him, so that they can apply him, as one would apply a balm to solve any of the user's problems.
 
OK...I wasn't meaning so much to twist your words as to check what you are really saying.

If such a thing were possible, I would frame this phrase and stick it on my wall. And the next time Rainman accused me of anything, I would hit him repeatedly over the head with it.
 
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