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[Risata206]

Re: Welcome

Welcome, Gadget!!!!


Okay. I read roomie's last post with absolute incredulousness. Mis-spelled that, but whatever.

First, when you say "jester" are you referring to the dude who was John Titor? He was the one with the titor writings? Or are you saying that he was the "main dude" but then there were others who would also act as "titor", perhaps logging on and answering questions while "jester" was out being a misogynistic pig?

You know, people are judged by the company they keep and they say that like attracts like, water seeks its own level, and birds of a feather. Sorry, but John Titor sounds like a complete psychopath, sociopath, narcissist, whatever "path" you wanna ascribe to him.

That said, it's doubtful that someone with that large of an ego, with out of control hubris and a liking for feminine attention-especially online-would NOT have come forward years ago to claim and prove he is "the one", once he saw this thing take off, particularly when money is concerned. Mostly for fame and even if it's infamy, a way to take the credit for the whole mess. There is NO WAY in h*ll you can convince me now, that this guy who is CLEARLY out for himself and his over-distorted sense of himself, his pathology, would'nt have tried to grab the brass ring on this when it was really a hot item (i'd say the hotness of the story peaked in 03, but the "old timers" could verify for me when it really was a phenom.) So, in other words, I cannot believe that this type of person would continue to stand by in the wings, silent and anonymous. The two contradictions of nature just don't jive with me.

Lastly, Titor makes me sick now. I also doubt that anyone with that degree of self-absorbedness would have any grip or could wrap their head around any world, government or sociological issues, much less the science of time travel. Probably the closest thing your "friend" has come to time traveling was dancing to the Time Warp. Loser.

 

[timetravelroomie]

Re: Whatever

Awwww come on,

The john titor thing wasn't a life changing event back then. I mean come on, your acting like I, let alone everyone else thought this crap that was going on, I personally was supposed to know every little digit.

I mean come on, its not like we were taking part in making new coke. We were drinking,partying, slacking and had other things to remember. My godz, we were laughing at a bunch of "quantum trekkie nerds."

It was not life changing. It really never will be.

 

[Risata206]

Re: Whatever

Roomie,

Please use the quotes feature as I am not sure who your last post is referring to. My post was the last one, but where did I say that any of it was life changing??

However, you might want to ask Pamela M. about that one.

 

[ruthless]

Re: Whatever

it was life changing for me because i thought that for the first time i had found a person just like me. also, i was going through some pretty hard things, and without the titor story, i might not have made the same choices. why? it inspired me. it gave me hope.

 

[pamela]

Re: Whatever

You do realize your story makes absolutely no sense don't you?
The John I talked to didn't act anywhere near what you describe as his personality.
Maybe you are forgetting....he had my physical address.

 

[RainmanTime]

Re: Whatever

The john titor thing wasn't a life changing event back then.

The grammar of this sentence implies that you think it IS a life-changing event now! Those of us who are well-versed in science (specifically Popper Falsifiability) knew it was BS from the get-go. So what is your point (other than yet another excuse)?

I mean come on, your acting like I, let alone everyone else thought this crap that was going on, I personally was supposed to know every little digit.

What atrocious grammar! Do you realize there is NO object in this sentence? I am through giving you the benefit of the doubt and trying to decrypt what I THINK you are trying to say. Would you like to clarify exactly what you are claiming with this sentence?

We were drinking,partying, slacking and had other things to remember.

That is totally inconsistent with the great pains that the Titor author went through to ensure his story was consistent.

It was not life changing. It really never will be.

And once again... your point is? In this reply of yours you have done absolutely nothing to address the points I made in my last. Namely, that material facts of the Titor story that those of us who lived through it CAN tell you, you cannot remember. And on the flipside, crap that had nothing to do with the saga as unfolded here are the things you CAN remember. Have you ever studied statistics? If so, you would know that this quandary you find yourself in is STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT.

RMT

 

[Risata206]

Re: Welcome

I should clarify and say that this painting of John Titor that "roomie" is giving us is what makes me sick. He's painted this guy out to be a complete jerk, as well as the fact that the story wasn't thought out and that they were just a bunch of partying fools.

I just went back and read all of titor's posts at Anomolies. I still don't believe he was a TT though some of his thoughts were extremely prophetic in nature-and the guy really had a decorum rarely seen on the net these days. Not once did he seem to raise his voice, get crappy with anyone-the guy never even used a "bad" word. So, whoever YOU are, don't flatter yourself into thinking that it's remotely believable now that you had anything to do with it. Plus, Titor showed remarkable patience with people who were quite aggressive with him.

Sorry, but NO WAY do you know anything about the original poster with the handle "John Titor."

 

[pamela]

Re: Welcome

I think its doubly amazing that "roomie" doesn't remember even one thing John and I spoke about.
Cannot give me even a shred of evidence he even knew him. and the best part....John was actually
a Jim Moore who eventually married a Pamela who became... Pamela Moore. LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOL
And the whole time John wasn't even amazed of this seemingly amazing coincidence as he communicated
with me online. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif LOLOLOLOLOL

 

[timetravelroomie]

Re: Welcome

Ok, pamela... I know you are in shock. Because the picture I paint of jester is in no way shape or form like the guy you know as john...

And I know, I'm setting myself up for a flaming....

But Pamela, I don't know any polite way of saying this... but people, in this world, LIE.

Just because "john" told ya this and that, and so forth, do you not realise that people have told some bold faced lies in this world? I mean look @ the case of "Doctor" jonathan reed. That guy went around and told people he was a doctor for child psyhcology for 15 years. That's right 15 years... and then told others he found a dead alien body. Yadda yadda yadda.

And most importantly, as much as everyone here likes to tell me "just because you can't tell the details, that prooves yout lying." Well then by setting those rules, Johnny boy told everyone that "hey, because I'm here I have offset the future timelines, so what happens in my future may not happen to yours."

Yeah and I'm the bastard....

Pamela, I don't know if he had your personal addy or not. And quite frankly, I hope he didn't. I know the string of crap he told women to get in their pants back in the past, and honestly I hope he never ever got that far with you, just because jester was a twerp at times to alotta women.

Now, there's no way to chalk it up. But if it makes you happy to think that jester was not your john... fine... but lets just think like that for a sec. Your john told you and everyone else that he "came from the future, for a certain item, and while he was here he figured he would answer some questions about the future which in all fairness, elements of it pretty much came from certain science fiction novels, and a few people drunken imaginations say "yeah man, that would be messed up if no one could drink milk" and some guy points out earlier they approoved a bovine growth hormone a few years back and its in use, so people would think its that.

One of jesters, and the rest of us as well favorite things to go about was the illuminatus trilogy, and how it was interesting @ how the world could be controled by planting small seeds of info. And of course jester reffered to it as web spinning.

People lie pamela. Accept it. I know my own words here will no doubt be thrown back at me. Not because I am from the future, not because I can see the future. But because, of the subject and I know how people think. The time travel stories are just that..... stories.

So who's more foolish, the ones who believe the idea someone came from the future? Or ones who ignore someone saying "hey the real guy was this guy."

Its funny, I'm sitting here at breakfast, and I just thought. What the hell do I gain from telling you all this? I don't wanna a book. I don't wanna movie. I don't want to be on art bell. No one I know, knows I'm acknowledging any of this.

I really am trying to think about what it is I gain. I mean I'm trying to help you all and you just crap on me.

Wow. Actually, I don't care about you guys. Man... you all are fools.

Bye for now, I actually might check in. I dunno. In all fairness. I really don't have any cares about this anymore. Someone told you guys lies. And you all stick up for him when I tell you who he is and you need to research him. His real name was james moore. And he had a gal named pamela. And if titors pamela thinks she would be a coincidence, she is mistaken cause he talked to a few pams online and then met and played around. Now pamela, if you met your john, then there is only one thing I can say that would hopefully add light. The joke back in the day was "jester should be named 'Morgan' cause he's a big man with a little organ. Oh yeah and supposedly he had a birthmark on his inner thigh that looked like a shoe.

So there, that's it you people keep on guessing. But I know.

Brick
"On and on, my body burns. While she's waitin' to go. The lights were gone. And my eyes were gone. And our clothes were on the floor.the shadow in my window is just a memory in my bed. I wonder who was in my room last night, who the hell was in my bed. There must have been a body there, I swear I felt some flesh. It took a lil' time, but I figured they weren't mine, those finges runnin' down my chest. My moth went through the cement, and my body fell through the floor. I couldn't find a key, cause lord I couldn't see, and somebody had moved the door." - Butthole surfers.

 

[Darby]

Re: Whatever

As for art bell, yeah ill just drive out to Pahrump and get that information. As easily as I get iake and alexandrea in celebration to own up that their mojo is bad.

I think that you missed the point here. I'm not suggesting that you or anyone drive out to Pahrump. The point is that all of the secrecy about the identity, within the context of the story (family will be killed, MIB's will hunt him down, etc.), is BS. A radio talk show host was given the information up front. His SysAdmins have the actual IP's, the SysAdmins here have the actual IP's. Of course that also means that if it's a hoax - and it started in 1998 - not 2000, then several people have access to the real deal information. It "ain't no" secret.

Now what I believe may have happened, if there is any truth at all in your story, is that you and a roommate, while drunk, had a time travel conversation. Thereafter he started jerking your chain about being Titor (it happens all the time here so it's not much of a stretch "out there" IRL) and you bought into the story. And let's face facts - there's nothing in your story so far that can negate that scenario.

You have a story that you want to tell - tell it. Don't fart around like every other wannabe who has appeared once every two weeks for the past five years and lay it out for us. So, instead of screwing around with the extension of the secrecy dodge while whining about the "fact" that someone might be making money off of this artistic endeavor (but didn't let you in on the deal) and assuming that you want some credibility, why don't you either crap or get off the pot.

Details...no whining...convince me.

 

[Darby]

Re: Welcome

And I know, I'm setting myself up for a flaming....

But Pamela, I don't know any polite way of saying this... but people, in this world, LIE.

Again, you missed Pamela's point about the personality that you paint of the "real" John Titor. Yeah, we know that on a few occassions he appears to h ave been drinking "orange wine" while posting.

The picture you paint is one of a post-teenage drunk who would start to TG on Thursday evening who would sober up by Sunday afternoon just in time to study a bit before Monday class. In other words, a soon-to-be college drop-out due to a John "Bluto" Blutarsky GPA.

But that's not the person who was posting as John Titor. I don't need to go into the details because anyone who has read the posts, whether they believe the story or not, can tell that a drunk frat rat wasn't the poster.

 

[RainmanTime]

Re: Welcome

Its funny, I'm sitting here at breakfast, and I just thought. What the hell do I gain from telling you all this? I don't wanna a book. I don't wanna movie. I don't want to be on art bell. No one I know, knows I'm acknowledging any of this.

I really am trying to think about what it is I gain. I mean I'm trying to help you all and you just crap on me.

That's simple, and you know the answer. You want attention. Even being "crapped on" is getting you attention. You continue to reply, not because you can come up with a single shred of evidence that would convince anyone, but because you know you will continue to get attention (replies). You are cut from the same mold as pathological liars, some of whom become internet trolls.

Bye for now, I actually might check in. I dunno. In all fairness. I really don't have any cares about this anymore.

The test will be if you keep coming back and trying to convince the regulars on this board. Darby and the other long-timers like myself will tell you we have seen this all before. Attention whores have trouble ceasing... they love the attention so much. Your error is in your wish to paint all of us as "true believers" in the Titor myth who have been duped. When in reality, the only long-timer here who fits that description is Pamela (no offense to her, she has her reasons). But most of the other long-timers here know Titor was a hoax, just as much as we know you are a hoax trying to take credit for the Titor writings.

So there, that's it you people keep on guessing. But I know.

Fine. Most of us also "know"... know that you will do and say whatever you need to get your daily fill of attention.

RMT

 

[pamela]

Re: Welcome

Roomie,

I understand people lie but unfortunately that includes you as well. Do you really
expect us to just believe what you say with no info to back it up??

Yes, John had my physical address so if he was the type of guy you said
(with me being in Ohio)don't you think he would have tried to show me this "organ"
of his? To be blunt and to the point. He never even talked this way. He was very polite,
respectful, and very much a gentleman in private. And yes I realize that this may have
been an act but after all..like I said I didn't witness ANY of this type of behavior
in him at all.

I do want to know the truth about John but you have basically offered nothing to me to
verify that you even spoke with him. If you are really here to "help us know the truth"
then why have you not done this? Not even one little bit of info.

Jim didnt even mention to you how odd it was that I posted as Pamela Moore? I mean after all
wouldnt this be kind of a shocker to him? Wouldnt this type of coincidence be something he would
talk about? And yes it is a little much for me to believe that John would marry a Pamela Moore.
Did he have a thing with the name of "pamela?" You said he talked to many Pams and yet this is not really a popular name. It is my real name.

We are willing to listen to you but not willing to just believe you with out even a shred of evidence. John posted for 6 months and you have nothing to share with us. Except a bit of info
if I had seen him naked which I didn't so have no way of verifying.

With you willing to just leave that just proves to me you really don't have anything so you are leaving. We are open minded but not stupid. Reread all of your postings...what have you really given us?

Pamela

 

[Darby]

Re: Welcome

Roomie,

As you can see, Pamela has responded to your posts. Though I'm not a Titor Believer and Pamela and I have had our disagreements over the years, I'm firmly behind her on the issue of your story. You haven't presented anything that is particularly probative to support your position.

You've chosen to portray the story and its author(s) in a particular manner - a manner that is in dire conflict with the actual evidence that was presented in the posts. You've also chosen to provide names of people involved that share the same last name of Pamela "Moore". Without any supporting evidence we can simply assume that you decided to do a Google for the last name "Moore" in the state of Ohio and post the results as factual information linking James Moore to Pamela "Moore". The problem here is that we also have to assume that Pamela's last name is Moore. But there's no evidence to suggest that that is the case. Even if it were the case there's still no evidence that James Moore is in any way connected to our Pamela "Moore". Furthermore, even if a connection was established there's still no eviidence to suggest that James Moore is connected to John Titor. "Moore" is a common Gaelic last name.

I don't want to whet your appetite but I too am a Moore through my maternal grandmother's mother (my grandmother was an O'Connell-Moore). Certainly that doesn't mean that I'm also connected to James Moore relative to the Titor Saga any "Moore" than it necessarily means that Pamela is connected to James Moore relative to the Titor Saga. This is why I previously said that you might have some names "correct" relative to the periphery of the story but not necessarily correct relative to the actual story of John Titor.

Once again I implore you to set out all of the facts without any vagueries and let us decide whether or not you have something worthwhile or whether you've been had by an ex-college roomie...or, alternatively, whether you're just another wannabe who is attempting to pull our collective leg.

The fact is that you have nothing to lose. We don't know who you "really" are. If you end up coming clean and saying that you have been pulling our leg you've lost nothing IRL. If you end up convincing us that you are the "real deal" then cudos to you even if it's a hoax.

So, give it a try. Try the straight forward approach even if you are making it all up. So what if we decide that you're just another hoax? Maybe you'll make a point. Maybe it will be the truth. Who knows until you give it the old college try?

 

[timetravelroomie]

Re: Welcome

RMT,

Now I am taking offense at this. How dare you, a moderator no less make the the bildge call and say "if you post again, then it prooves this or that."

Of all the conceded things I have ever read, that hapless at best, the worse thing I have ever heard out of the fingers of a forums moderator.

That type of attitude is entirely a ploy. A ploy to sit there and say "see he went away, he was a liar." Or even better "see he reposted again, that prooves he a little attention hog."

And too that I say, damn you, sir. I understand you people have gotten what you have in the past. And will no doubt return in the future. But, you above all others are in a position to moderate any arguements that come forward to this OPEN forum. And with all due respect, are of course permitted to be active in conversations, but not pull this "do this for this effect, or do that for that effect." Which is most common amonst most internet trolls.

I wake up. I turned on this phone and said lets take alook around at this and that, then when I come here and read this?

I have told you what I'm gonna tell you. And either you believe it or not. You HAVE NO RIGHT TO SUGGEST said actions, sir!

Brick.

 

[timetravelroomie]

Re: Welcome

Ok, why in the name of Sam Hill, do I have to back any of this up? Call me crazy, but are you people not the ones who spend more time checking and re-checking crap.

Well here it is, I hand a few names. A few hints at stuff. (Coy I must admit.) And all you can do is whine and moan.. "Wah, your not coming clean, I don't believe you cause your forcing me to work a little."

Insert insult here. Doesn't matter which on, just take the one comment you would find it to be highly revolting and say it outloud, from me to all of you. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I mean, are you people serious? You have more resources at your fingertips then they did 30 years ago, and two reporters from a newspaper wrote history from getting 9 names on a sheet of paper from a fella named deepthroat. And that was national security for christ sakes.

Ahem....
Pamela, I understand the person who spoke to you in private was nothing more then a gentleman and that's, great. I'm glad the person did not speak to you in a demeaning way. However, call me crazy, and I'm only saying this because trying to talk broads pants off online, even years ago was never a hobby of mine...... but, do ya honestly think all guys online, who act as the upmost refind fellow aren't still working to "get some."

And call me even more crazy, do you honestly think, after all the crap he told you, that he would have the "yarbels" to show up, if even to possibly cash in some chips to see if you wanted to fool around? I mean with respect there pammy, he had more closer broads that thought he was heir to a business, or from another country even a fricken scientist working on how to use the suns rays to turn poop into gold or some crap like that. Do you honestly think he would go through more just to meet a gal and get some crotch pudding, when he knows he's gonna have to pull off a lot more then a fake accent and some flashy cash? Jester had some talent at this crap yes, but he wasn't that talented.

Rommie. (Like it better then brick.)

 

[RainmanTime]

Re: Welcome

Hey Roomie Brick:

Now I am taking offense at this.

If it gets you attention, I figure you would take offense.

You HAVE NO RIGHT TO SUGGEST said actions, sir!

I have the same rights of free speech here that you do...unless all of a sudden now you are the rights-granter?

And too that I say, damn you, sir. I understand you people have gotten what you have in the past. And will no doubt return in the future. But, you above all others are in a position to moderate any arguements that come forward to this OPEN forum.

Sounds a lot like someone else who I tussled with here in a prior timeline. Do I need you to scold me? Considering YOU are the one who is claiming to have played a big prank on everyone, how does your judgment of me compare with your own (alleged) hoax actions? At least I am not telling people LIES. And by the judgment of more people than myself here, we believe you ARE telling lies. That makes you not only untrustworthy, but suspect.

And I notice you use words like:

And with all due respect

But then you turn right around and DISrespect Pamela (again!) after she asked you to NOT do this:

I mean with respect there pammy

I will not worry about insulting you until you act a little bit more like an adult in how you address other people. What makes you think you are so important that you can just CONTINUE to ridicule Pamela and her name in a manner that she EXPRESSLY asked you not to do??? THAT is an action that is unique to trolls!

You need to look in the mirror before you start coming down on others, pal.

RMT

 

[pamela]

Re: Welcome

Roomie,

You just don't get it do you?
Anyone can come on here and claim "I was roomies with Titor"
But if you don't give us some kind of proof or specifics
why should anyone take you seriously?

You are just one guy in an ever increasingly long line of
individuals that claim to know who he is. Everyone a different answer.
For being roomies with Titor you sure don't know crap.

 

[timetravelroomie]

Re: Whatever

Darb,

Valid points. I myself had wondered about things. But the problem is, is that jester talked about this with myself, and a fella who went by the name of foebea (yeah, it was foebea with an f.) I want to say his name was matt, but don't hold me to it.

All right, he talk to more then me and foebea. And it was a lot more then just "one time while I was drinkin."

Look, I understand the whole 98 thing, that's fine. I do believe I posted earlier as to our exploits with jester started a bit earlier like 97. Now, I want to clear this up, those post should not be editied. And if he was doing the titor thing before I knew about it in 99/2000 (still fuzzy.) I don't know anything about it.

As for the whole shebang.... one I have never ever told you folks I have all the answers. And if I might even add here, I believe I have stated on more then one event, that my memory has some holes in it. And I will admit I am sure that would be convenet if I was spouting off more useless crap then rush limbaugh in a tampon factory, but for me its not. I've lost some years.

And if I am correct, I think I have stated there's a lot more then some harrassment in my private life at stake here. If I come accross as a liar, so what? Its on the internet. How many bs artist are online and it doesn't effect them. But if it ever known, that I in any way shape or form had something to do with this... come on, man.... you honestly think my private life would not be effected. The amityville horror was a hoax, and even the people who came out against the hoax have been written into the mythouse and are exploited personally by people who only hear half the story, but they have heard their names involved. I've said it before darby, my child is more important then you , anyone or anything.

So, yeah I'm on the pot. And trust me, I can pooo. But I need some T.P. Before I do anything. So humor me, hand a brother a roll will ya?

Roomie

 

[Darby]

Re: Welcome

Of all the conceded things I have ever read, that hapless at best, the worse thing I have ever heard out of the fingers of a forums moderator.

Now talk about an appropriate blend of malaprop and irony. "Conceded". Now that's funny.

I believe that the word you were looking for is "conceited". Otherwise you have indicated that you have conceded to Ray's argument...a surrender as it were.