Frequency Experiment 2009.

If you have to ask why, you truly do not understand time. It is not something that is easily explained or taught, it is something one must discover and experience for themselves.
 
He might be interested in us but there is no guarantee that we will stay interested in him
especially if he does not continue to interact with us in a timely manner.
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Well for once I actually agree with Pamela. This alleged 'time traveller' has barely interacted with anyone here. Instead of actually answering any issues or responding to critique......he just rambles on with yet more obtuse ramblings.

It reminds me very much of those who try to use 'power play' in online games because they are useless at roleplay. So they try to totally dictate the roleplay with everyone they meet.....which of course annoys the hell out of everyone else as good roleplay ( even with people pretending to be time travellers ) is a two-way thing.....and people who try to use power play find themselves either being shunned by everyone else or banned by a manager.

This whole business of 'I have a select few' is a classic power play trick. It signals someone who essentially is totally inept...cannot deal with any critique.....and who thus tries to surround himself with 'supporters' in a futile attempt to bolster his quite rightly miniscule ego.

These are people who desperately want to be someone....know they are nobody....and who have to go running back under Mummy's apron cloth at the first hint of anyone perceiving that.
 
If you have to ask why, you truly do not understand time. It is not something that is easily explained or taught, it is something one must discover and experience for themselves.
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Ahhhhh yes....the "inner journey." And it would seem you have taken this "inner journey" and "arrived". Thing that is convenient about "inner journies" is that there is no evidence and certainly no science that would make them repeatable.

You are not talking about time-proper. You are talking about your experiences that you relate to time. Big diff.
RMT
 
Yep, there is no evidence. Hence no way to extend understanding. Science will never understand time, science can only understand the effects of time (as those effects are measurable). Academically you don't need to understand time, you only need to understand the effects.

I must point out even though I said what I said, I don't think these people are truly from the future.
 
Science will never understand time
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How can you make such a claim? You don't know what science will find out in the future and what not.
And science is not a lifeless thing, it's knowledge and practices by people. Science even means understanding/knowledge.
 
And the purpose of that experiment was to find out what happens _______ (fill in the blank)
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I would assume it would be to record what would happen if a time traveler posted in a forum and gave out information about future events.

I think I understand where you are coming from with your arguement so I would like to restate my idea more clearely in a single sentence.

I believe that if Damien is a time traveler then the reason that he doesn't answer questions before they are asked becuase he wants to have a real conversation, without knowing where the conversation is going.
 
Yep, there is no evidence. Hence no way to extend understanding. Science will never understand time, science can only understand the effects of time (as those effects are measurable). Academically you don't need to understand time, you only need to understand the effects.
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dimaggio,

In making a valid point Stukov may have overstated his case somewhat but on the whole he's reasonably correct.

We don't understand the nature of time, have absolutely no theory that can quantize time or attribute some particle to it that can be stated as being the time "force" carrier.

Where's he's most correct is in making the point that we don't really have to understand time at its deepest level to be able to utilize it in experiments or every day life. For now its usually "good enough" to state it as a differential d/dt, plug & chug and come out with an answer that very closely models reality.

Where time is treated very differently is in general relativity. Time is integrated with space and is stated as spacetime. You can plot it as a 2D plane with time on one axis and space on the other axis. That's not so unusual because we also plot electromagnetics with the electric potential on one axis and the magnetic potential on the other axis...and its experimentally verified that that is the correct way to plot them. It very closely models reality even though we don't fully understand either electricity or magnetism at their deepest levels.

Not to worry, though. All scientific theories and laws are approximations of reality. Stukov was correct, though he didn't state it explicitly, in that we are very unlikely to ever find the "ultimate" answer to the nature of time and no longer have theories that are approximations of reality. Almost 100 years ago we saw the limit of what can be known with the advent of quantum physics and using linear algebras and matrix algebras to describe QM.
 
If he really meant what you said, then it was a misunderstanding.
 
In making a valid point Stukov may have overstated his case somewhat but on the whole he's reasonably correct.

We don't understand the nature of time, have absolutely no theory that can quantize time or attribute some particle to it that can be stated as being the time "force" carrier.

Where's he's most correct is in making the point that we don't really have to understand time at its deepest level to be able to utilize it in experiments or every day life. For now its usually "good enough" to state it as a differential d/dt, plug & chug and come out with an answer that very closely models reality.

Where time is treated very differently is in general relativity. Time is integrated with space and is stated as spacetime. You can plot it as a 2D plane with time on one axis and space on the other axis. That's not so unusual because we also plot electromagnetics with the electric potential on one axis and the magnetic potential on the other axis...and its experimentally verified that that is the correct way to plot them. It very closely models reality even though we don't fully understand either electricity or magnetism at their deepest levels.

Not to worry, though. All scientific theories and laws are approximations of reality. Stukov was correct, though he didn't state it explicitly, in that we are very unlikely to ever find the "ultimate" answer to the nature of time and no longer have theories that are approximations of reality. Almost 100 years ago we saw the limit of what can be known with the advent of quantum physics and using linear algebras and matrix algebras to describe QM.
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In more words, yes this is what I was saying. You don't need to know how a car works (like how the internal combustion engine compresses air/fuel mixture at a certain ration to drive the piston etc) to move a car. All you need to know is that on a car you can press the gas to go, brake to stop, and wheel to steer.

Same with time, we can quantify and examine all effects time has on the world around us, but I am saying is there is no scientific way to understand the nature of time. It is not to say that you, me, or someone else may be able to understand the true nature of time, just that they aren't ever going to express that scientifically, they can only express the effects and interactions.
 
I wonder if the aliens oops.. I mean "other worldly visiters" did away with him?

I remember when John and I entertained the thought of using time travel to put prisoners and criminals away on a rather "empty" timeline for punishment or back in the stone age. Perhaps they kind of shoved him off on another worldline somewhere where he couldn't cause any more trouble for them. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/frown.gif



****************ATTENTION TIME TRAVEL CLAIMANTS:*****************
If you interest me I may ask you questions.
This does not mean I necessarily believe what you are saying but only
that I am interested and curious about what you have to say.
I like to gather all the information first and save judgement till the end.
I am here to have fun, interesting and thought provoking conversation.
If you have a sense of humor, are highly intelligent and creative I may end up liking you!
However, This does not mean I will have interdimensional babies with you. LOL /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
I wonder if the aliens oops.. I mean "other worldly visiters" did away with him?
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I thought about that for a while, I mean him and Lisa did kinda break the rules.

I remember when John and I entertained the thought of using time travel to put prisoners and criminals away on a rather "empty" timeline for punishment or back in the stone age. Perhaps they kind of shoved him off on another worldline somewhere where he couldn't cause any more trouble for them
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That seems a tad bit unlikely, but if you think about it maybe why thats why alot of ancient gods are jerks... Send the criminals to the stone age with a lighter and bada bing instant god of fire. :eek: probaly not what happened though

He had interdimensional babies and now is taking care of them in another dimension. He'll be busy for a while.
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Oh, now it all makes sense :D
 
He had interdimensional babies and now is taking care of them in another dimension. He'll be busy for a while.
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Ok...but does that mean we have to wait 18 YEARS before we talk to him again?
That is way pass the limit I am willing to wait for any one time traveler
to talk with. :D lol

Atleast he is being a responsible timetraveler.






****************ATTENTION TIME TRAVEL CLAIMANTS:*****************
If you interest me I may ask you questions.
This does not mean I necessarily believe what you are saying but only
that I am interested and curious about what you have to say.
I like to gather all the information first and save judgement till the end.
I am here to have fun, interesting and thought provoking conversation.
If you have a sense of humor, are highly intelligent and creative I may end up liking you!
However, This does not mean I will have interdimensional babies with you. LOL /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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