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Active. "all actions no theories" instead of "all theories no actions"
That makes two active method seekers.

I should point out the obvious: You are not locked-in with your choice. You are always free to change your choice. In fact, adopting the "neutral" and "passive" methods are often strategically useful as you approach whatever it is you wish to understand (in this case "secrets of the pyramids"). Furthermore, one will often find that they do not have sufficient amounts of TEEM (Time, Energy, Effort, Money) to expend as an active-method seeker 100% of the Time. For example: When one runs out of money, an active seeker cannot help but become a neutral seeker with respect to that particular measure of INTENTION (Money).

Yes....measures of INTENTION...an important concept we should talk about. Does everyone understand how the elements that comprise TEEM represents measures of our INTENTION? For example, if someone selects the ACTIVE method and dedicates ALL of their Time, Energy, Effort, and Money towards achieving their goal, this would be the extreme application of that person's INTENTION to achieve what they seek (in this case "secrets of the pyramids"). So any reasonable person can MEASURE just how much INTENTION they are applying to their quest, at any given point in Time. Yes? Are we in agreement on this?

As I mentioned earlier, a person who chooses a Neutral method will generally try to "balance out" how much they expend for any one measure of TEEM. The definition of a person who is "totally Neutral" would be one who expends (but also does not receive) any measures of TEEM as they follow the pathway through Time to achieve what they seek (in this case "secrets of the pyramids"). But that is an idealistic condition. Usually, one will adjust their expenditures ("outputs) of TEEM to be in line with their receipt ("inputs") of TEEM. The person who is realistically Neutral is always playing a balancing game among Inputs and Outputs of TEEM. For example: If all of a sudden I get a significant influx of "M" ($) then I can "afford" to expend part of my budget with respect to Time, Energy, and Effort.

The person who chooses the Passive method, by definition, will never, EVER choose to expend any of their TEEM towards achieving the goal they seek (in this case "secrets of the pyramids"). On internet forums these people are called "trolls", because they only RECEIVE TEEM from others, but they have no INTENTION of using or applying that TEEM to something they are pretending to be seeking. Rather, they are collecting TEEM from others and using it for other purposes (other INTENTIONS).

Now, since some folks in this thread appear to be a little impatient (timeline79) perhaps I should continue with my sharing of the "secrets of the pyramids". But as I do, let me make it clear that if the only thing you plan to "do" to reach an understanding of these secrets is to read this thread, then you are following more of the NEUTRAL if not PASSIVE Method. Because if you think about it, since I am the one willing to share this knowledge with all of you, I am expending a significant amount of my TEEM in doing so. Someone who is lurking along with this thread is (by our measures as active participants in this thread) expending very low amounts of TEEM. As such, if they never ask questions or even post at all, then their ability to progress in learning is limited, unlike others who have chosen a more ACTIVE Method.

OK...so the FIRST "hint" about the "secrets of the pyramids" is that there are three distinct "domains" within which we design any sort of system that will possess INTENTION. These THREE domains (the same ones listed in my signature line below) can and are represented in the physical form of the pyramid. In fact, one might say these domains define the set of THREE mutually orthogonal "axes" for the system we wish to design.

OK? Understand so far? Questions/Comments?
New/Improved RMT
 
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Ray,

I may have fallen off the Wagon already /ttiforum/images/graemlins/cry.gif....

OK...so the FIRST "hint" about the "secrets of the pyramids" is that there are three distinct "domains" within which we design any sort of system that will possess INTENTION. These THREE domains (the same ones listed in my signature line below) can and are represented in the physical form of the pyramid. In fact, one might say these domains define the set of THREE mutually orthogonal "axes" for the system we wish to design.

Is the Pysical Domain in your signature line - a product of the Operational and Functional domain;

In that, the product of two orthogonal matrices is another orthogonal matrix (perhaps the analogy that you might use?). So the thrid of the 3 "axes" is a product that has to come into existance because of the combining of the previous two before it...

The first manifested 'fundamental' form of intention in the 3rd Dimension is the Pyramid (tetra in this case)? The rest of the system is based from this first Intention. Consciousness within form tracks back to this platonic shape.

Also, possibly a return link....?

Kindest regards,
Olly
 
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I think I fell off the wagon as well...

orthogonal.gif


Where X = Operational
y = Functional
Z = Physical

is this on track or did i fall off he wangon and hit my head way too hard?
 
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I think i may have fallen off the front end of the wagon. Then got run over by the wagon as i hit the floor.

"Lets go and hide under a tree until Ray comes back, I dont much like been out in the middle of the road!"

awaits RMT...
 
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Ollyb: I may have fallen off the Wagon already
wa1ex: is this on track or did i fall off he wangon and hit my head way too hard?
Neither of you have fallen off the wagon. In fact, while you may not know it right now, both of you are helping to drive the wagon! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/yum.gif Tell you what: wa1ex, how about you man the throttles and Olly you go about steering, OK?

Ollyb:Is the Pysical Domain in your signature line - a product of the Operational and Functional domain;
Yes, but let me caution you that this is but ONE (linear) way to interpret the relationship between the Operational, Functional, and Physical design domains. For example I could also describe it as "The Physical (hardware) and the Functional (software) domains come together, and their combined efforts serve to Create the final result in the Operational domain." Not to get ahead of ourselves, but we will come to learn that TIME (uhhh...ahem...as in TIME TRAVEL) is the central focus of the Operational domain. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

But Olly... your interpretation is interesting because it represents the LINEAR ORDER that design engineers follow when they decide to design any particular system. We first design the system in the Operational (Time & Frequency) domain. From there we have performance data that tells us how to go about designing the system in the Functional domain. Once we have modeled and designed the system Functions, we now have more data that will help us design the Physical elements of the system in the Physical design domain. This is how system design is accomplished in state-of-the-art engineering.
In that, the product of two orthogonal matrices is another orthogonal matrix (perhaps the analogy that you might use?). So the thrid of the 3 "axes" is a product that has to come into existance because of the combining of the previous two before it...
Again, very astute Olly. You are solidly on the wagon. But let me again say that this is ONE (linear) way to characterize the interrelations of these 3 system domains. But to show you how powerful this type of analogy is for describing any system, let me point out that the EXACT feature that you have pointed out (mathematical combination of two orthogonal dimensions to create a third orthogonal dimension) is the basis for our most famous "linear, 3-models" of science:

F = m * a
V = I * R
E = m * c^2
M = I * alpha
P = R * I^2

Any of those look familiar? All of them are scientific instantiations of the combination of Functional with Physical domains. We will discuss how as we move forward.
The first manifested 'fundamental' form of intention in the 3rd Dimension is the Pyramid (tetra in this case)? The rest of the system is based from this first Intention. Consciousness within form tracks back to this platonic shape.
Now you know why I asked you to steer the wagon, Olly! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif You're on the right track, but certainly you realize that it is much more complex than what is possible to describe in these few words. And yet in your words you have honed-in on a very important truth about how things combine with other things to create new things. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif Let's not lose sight of that as we progress.
Also, possibly a return link....?
Most definitely....without a doubt. Let's state this fact as "the INTENTION to create something in the Operational domain leads to a gathering & organization of energy in the Functional domain, which expresses itself as effort to morph and shape some result in the Physical domain. This result in the Physical domain provides feedback to the Functional domain, which in turn provides feedback to the Operational domain, which finally provides a means for measuring the result of your INTENTION."

Consciousness is a closed loop. There is no doubt about that. Any other questions or comments?

So far we have Olly and wa1ex fully engaged in our journey on "the wagon". Anyone else out there wanting to help get this wagon moving?

New/Improved RMT
 
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Heh heh,
I think i may have fallen off the front end of the wagon. Then got run over by the wagon as i hit the floor.
Where you think you are and where you actually are are two different things. Don't ever think you are somewhere that you don't deserve to be!


Now keep steering the wagon, Olly. :D And wa1ex, I hope you keep giving us throttle power! Perhaps you might want to steer for awhile?

It will be a most enjoyable ride, if my instincts are correct. And please... don't spend too much TEEM on driving the wagon such that you don't enjoy the ride! Above all, you've got to enjoy yourself if you are going to Create something positive.

New/Improved RMT
 
TEEM - Time, Energy, Effort, Money

wa1ex,

You've certainly got the right idea with the "X-Y-Z" Coordinate System. This is how system dynamics are measured... for any Physical system. This "X-Y-Z" system represents a 3-dimensional physical metric we call SPACE.

Now consider that there is another 3-dimensional metric for system performance that is external to ("outside of") the XYZ coordinate system of SPACE.

We might call this higher level, 3-dimensional metric the (Operational, Functional, and Physical) domains of the total system.

These system domains directly map to the Aphysical (mental) concepts of Matter, Motion, and Time.

New/Improved RMT
 
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I think I'd have to say that I'm neutral. This can be seen that I did not reply to this thread right away (not fully active), yet I did reply (not fully passive). I imagine those who take the passive path won't reply at all.

Yes....measures of INTENTION...an important concept we should talk about. Does everyone understand how the elements that comprise TEEM represents measures of our INTENTION? For example, if someone selects the ACTIVE method and dedicates ALL of their Time, Energy, Effort, and Money towards achieving their goal, this would be the extreme application of that person's INTENTION to achieve what they seek (in this case "secrets of the pyramids"). So any reasonable person can MEASURE just how much INTENTION they are applying to their quest, at any given point in Time. Yes? Are we in agreement on this?

Some things about this. You know, James (as in the book of James), wrote along these same lines. "Faith without works is dead." You can judge a man's true INTENTION by the fruit of his life.

As far as INTENTION goes, and I've asked this before, there seems to me that there has to be something that precedes the INTENTION. Character?

I don't want to get this thread off track so if this discussion doesn't belong here we don't have to pursue it. But, it seems to me that there is a lower level (or higher depending on how you look at it) process that helps shape one's INTENTION. For example, take the hypothetical scenario of a serial killer born again. There was something that motivated him to be who he was that made him a serial killer. But then there was a change. And in the truest sense, his INTENTIONS changed completely. What is that underlying thing? Our soul? Spirit?

RMT...you've changed your sig and I can't remember...was there something that preceded INTENTION in your model?
 
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So far we have Olly and wa1ex fully engaged in our journey on "the wagon". Anyone else out there wanting to help get this wagon moving?

I would like to, RMT, but I don't think I would be of much help since some of these things are hard for me to comprehend. But it seems very interesting indeed!
 
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I would like to, RMT, but I don't think I would be of much help since some of these things are hard for me to comprehend. But it seems very interesting indeed!

Whats hard for you to comprehend is just as hard for a hundred others that won't make the effort to post, which ever questions you ask - trust me - you'll be asking on the behalf of most of the Passive crowd (and bith the neutral and Active!). I only made light of my and wa1ex's confusion - because really there is nothing to seriously feel or stupid about! your expressed desire that you WANT to be more then passive - already speaks volumes.

For example I could also describe it as "The Physical (hardware) and the Functional (software) domains come together, and their combined efforts serve to Create the final result in the Operational domain."

Once again the systems analogy has come to the rescue! Yes i totally get why you are classing them in this manner. These seems very logical to me, and i'm surpirsed i mixed them up by missing this. As its quite simple when you put it like that.

I think i'm starting to get ahead of myself though, as i'm starting to get flshes in my head about the notion (as you hinted to me beofore) of how pyramids are can be used as hidden doorways.

In fact while you may not realise, Your description of the Physical being 'Hardware' and the Functional being 'Software' has help me tune my mindset. The equations that you have listed are scientific base for the thoery, in this regard. And as such could not be ignored buy those passives seeking evidence

So this leads me on to ask another question - Intention (living in a MUCH higher domain) creates the operation by using the Hardware and the software together in order to write it?

If this is the case, then when it comes to time/frequency - if we wanted to get ahead of ourselves -then idealy (when we talk in terms of technology) whe would design a Physical system in the physical domain that can interact with the Funtional Domain. Then we might be able (within this domain) to use the Functional domain and rewrite the software and change the effects of the operational Domain?

Pyramid structures may well be a useful/major component in the system that achieves this - as its form is linked to all three domains. In its most simple form, the merkaba is one such configuration, as an example. Octahedron is another.

Also on a side note; (and perhaps i'm jumping the gun again - but as i say, its only a side note) if we look at the link between the North to South polarisation of these forms, We can look at two other things the Body and the Planet. Most of us here will already know about the respective 'grids' at play here, There seems to be a corrolation with them and the platonic solids (the physical hardware which generates all terrestrial and non-terrestrial bodies).

All of a sudden, the term - self fulfilling prophecy takes on a new meaning
. And perhaps this can explain why certain 'fictional' civil war advocates are being quite irresponsible.

The pyramidal forms that create us (lets look at the octahedron here as i mentioned it above and is also used when describing DNA) also seems to minic this North/South. The grid energy that they allow us to generate or "attract" (that may be classed as aphysical) are a link between Hardware and the software.

In otherwords, We are all pyramids at a fundamental level and are all connected to the Functional domain. Using our own intention to direct the hardware and software and "in part" interact with producing the operational domain.

Apolgies about the latter side note - Too try and pull back the stage we are at, Ray - my question is, with regards to time travel. Would we be wanting to tap into the Functional domain using certain harware in the physical domain. In order to generate the correct operational effects?

Excuse spelling!

Kind regards,
Olly
 
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Hello Roo,
I would like to, RMT, but I don't think I would be of much help since some of these things are hard for me to comprehend. But it seems very interesting indeed!
We are often amazed to find out just how helpful we can be sometimes. As a teacher I often hear students say this same thing... but then you should realize that the question that you ask (if you are having trouble comprehending something) may actually BE that bit of help that someone else needs. In fact, there are times when a student will ask me a question that turns out to HELP ME explain a concept in a different, more understandable manner.

So...thanks for chiming in... and don't be afraid of asking questions. You may help more people than you think, in addition to getting an answer! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

New/Improved RMT
 
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Hi iridium,

Welcome aboard!
As far as INTENTION goes, and I've asked this before, there seems to me that there has to be something that precedes the INTENTION. Character?
Is there? Is it possible that you INTEND to assume a certain character in how you act? IMO, INTENTION is where the "closed loop" process of existence stops. The INTENTION to create (something, anything) is what we share with our Creator. We all INTEND to experience events in the Operational domain. We use elements from the Functional domain (processes) on elements from the Physical domain (objects). Once we experience the events we chose to create, this will then result in us deciding upon some NEW INTENTION...another way to express ourselves.
But, it seems to me that there is a lower level (or higher depending on how you look at it) process that helps shape one's INTENTION.
If there is, I have not figured it out. Is it possible that feedback from your environment helps to shape your intentions?
For example, take the hypothetical scenario of a serial killer born again. There was something that motivated him to be who he was that made him a serial killer. But then there was a change. And in the truest sense, his INTENTIONS changed completely.
You would have to ask the serial killer who turned his life around. But often psychologists will tell us that previous events that happen in our lives (especially childhood) will typically help us determine what we intend to do in life. And what events in the serial killer's life caused his change of heart (change of INTENTION)?

I dunno, but if you ask me, "the buck stops with INTENTION".
What is that underlying thing? Our soul? Spirit?
We will eventually get to the point where we align both soul and spirit with the pyramid and its secrets. But now is not the best time while others are still ruminating on simpler topics. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
RMT...you've changed your sig and I can't remember...was there something that preceded INTENTION in your model?
The model, going from "bottom" (lowest level) to "top" (highest level) is as follows:

Massive SpaceTime - The 3-way mixture of the Physical domain where all things occur. (Matter)
Force/Moment/Momentum - The 3-way mixtures of the Functional domain which influences elements in the Physical domain as well as responds to them. (Motion)
Energy - The 3-way mixture of the Operational domain which any whole system (comprised of Physical and Functional elements) requires in order to create events. (Time)
Information - The time-independent "currency" which controls all energy expenditures and provides feedback from lower levels that the INTENTION can use to quantify its experience.
INTENTION - The top-dog. The One. The I AM (I INTEND). The Will to Create.

New/Improved RMT
 
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Massive SpaceTime - The 3-way mixture of the Physical domain where all things occur.(Matter)
Force/Moment/Momentum - The 3-way mixtures of the Functional domain which influences elements in the Physical domain as well as responds to them. (Motion)
Energy - The 3-way mixture of the Operational domain which any whole system (comprised of Physical and Functional elements) requires in order to create events. (Time)
Information - The time-independent "currency" which controls all energy expenditures and provides feedback from lower levels that the INTENTION can use to quantify its experience.
INTENTION - The top-dog. The One. The I AM (I INTEND). The Will to Create.
The definitions certainly help out. I am all ears and lets hope that I understand it enough to even ask a ? back! But, the more definitions, the better! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

EDIT: RMT, is there a site on all of this that I could read up on to get a better understanding or a book?
 
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RMT,

This is much more interesting than the bogus TT stories that hit this site every other week! It's the exact reason why I (and probably many others) came to this site in the first place. So, thanks for making a topic like this! I look forward to helping the wagon out as much as I can!
 
Being a TEEM Player

Hi again, Roo:
EDIT: RMT, is there a site on all of this that I could read up on to get a better understanding or a book?
Funny you should ask (coincidence?). I am just beginning discussions on the formulation of a book with some friends... some of whom you might "know".
Stay tuned... but until then, this is the only place you can read about this (without getting a degree in engineering and studying this stuff for 20 years!)
This is much more interesting than the bogus TT stories that hit this site every other week! It's the exact reason why I (and probably many others) came to this site in the first place. So, thanks for making a topic like this! I look forward to helping the wagon out as much as I can!
Thank YOU for the kind words, Roo. It is, in point of fact, part of my INTENTION to provide a discussion that is much more useful to people than the never-ending stream of (bad) TT hoaxers. OvrLrd has been doing his part too... you might check out his "The Key of Time" thread, as there are some links between what he is presenting and this thread (it may be difficult at times to see the links, but I guarantee they are there!).

New/Improved RMT
 
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Looks like Olly is still doing a fine job of steering the wagon! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I think i'm starting to get ahead of myself though, as i'm starting to get flshes in my head about the notion (as you hinted to me beofore) of how pyramids are can be used as hidden doorways.
Excellent. Those "flashes" of insight are part & parcel of the "payback" for following the ACTIVE method. You, and the others who chose the ACTIVE method should make sure you share these "flashes", either as questions or insights. They are part of the TEEM that will keep us going!
So this leads me on to ask another question - Intention (living in a MUCH higher domain) creates the operation by using the Hardware and the software together in order to write it?
Yes. INTENTION holds sway over all three of these domains. Staying with a subject matter that reflects what I am doing in my regular job, we can provide an example as:

1)The USA (through NASA) has stated its INTENTION to replace our Space Shuttle with a new Crew Exploration Vehicle (CEV).
2) From that INTENTION, we first begin by developing the Operational timelines, mission phases, and required frequencies that Operations need to be performed at in order to meet the INTENTION. This is called Operational Design (or sometimes Mission Design).
3) From the Operational timelines and data generated associated with meeting the INTENTION, we can now "flow" requirements to actual spacecraft design specialists (like me) who will then develop what is called a Functional Architecture. Think of it like a tree-structured organization chart where, at the top are all the PRIMARY FUNCTIONS that the spacecraft must perform. In systems engineering all Functions begin with a verb, as they indicate Motion. So some of the bigger functions our spacecraft will need to perform would be:
a) Propel the vehicle (into orbit, to the moon, to the space station, etc.)
b) Sustain human life (an important function!)
c) Navigate (determine the vehicle's position, attitude, velocity, acceleration, etc.)
d) Guide the vehicle along the INTENDED flight path.
e) Control the vehicle's State Vector (trajectory, attitude, velocity, acceleration).

These are just a handful of examples of functions. The last 3 are my area of design, called the Guidance, Navigation, and Control functions.

4) Once we model the functions in a hierarchy, we can then string them together to identify what the INPUTS and OUTPUTS of these functions need to be in order that the function can be performed. Once we model all of these together with the Operational timelines, we have now built a simulation that will help us study different scenarios.
5) Studying a great many scenarios by Functional modeling is what allows us to develop requirements for the Physical elements that will make up the system and subsystems.
6) Once the physical elements are built to meet our specifications, then we begin to integrate those physical pieces with the physical software written by programmers, and we begin to test each function to make sure it works properly (this is called Functional Integration & Test).
7) Once we are satisified that all the individual functions meet their specs, we then are ready for FIRST FLIGHT, which is the very first time that the actual Operational Timeline will be demonstrated.

So you see, it is a "round trip". This can also be illustrated with what is called the "System V diagram".
If this is the case, then when it comes to time/frequency - if we wanted to get ahead of ourselves -then idealy (when we talk in terms of technology) whe would design a Physical system in the physical domain that can interact with the Funtional Domain. Then we might be able (within this domain) to use the Functional domain and rewrite the software and change the effects of the operational Domain?
Yep. I see where you are taking us, and it is right on target. If we wish to "alter time" (with Time being the primary measure of the Operational domain) then we are going to require BOTH the Physical and the Functional domains to achieve it. So it is both a Hardware AND Software solution.

Pyramid structures may well be a useful/major component in the system that achieves this - as its form is linked to all three domains. In its most simple form, the merkaba is one such configuration, as an example. Octahedron is another.
The wagon is right on schedule! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif Let's stick with the pyramid for now... We have now reached a point where we can align the elements of the pyramid with our Operational-Functional-Physical model. We begin this association by noting:

ANY physical system design defintion is comprised of BOTH a Functional and Physical combination of design elements. So the Physical makes use of the Functional elements in combination as a means to achieve the Operational timeline. So now envision that the base of any pyramid (a square) is what defines the intersection of Functional and Physical design domains. Literally, these two design domains form the BASIS from which the Operational timeline can be realized. The Operational domain is then represented by the line that rises from the center of the base of the pyramid (the intersection of Functional + Physical) up to the apex of the pyramid.

The main thing to note here is that any combination of Functional+Physical need not have ONLY ONE Operational timeline. In fact, what the pyramid tells us is that we can use any Functional+Physical design combination to achieve a whole range of potential Operational applications.
In otherwords, We are all pyramids at a fundamental level and are all connected to the Functional domain. Using our own intention to direct the hardware and software and "in part" interact with producing the operational domain.
Yes! And in this we have reached a very important understanding of the pyramids! Each of us, as human beings, contains and is comprised of both Physical and Functional designs (we can examine them in future posts) and these designs are capable of achieving a whole bunch of different Operational timelines!

This is an IMPORTANT realization that is locked-up in the form of the pyramid.

Would we be wanting to tap into the Functional domain using certain harware in the physical domain. In order to generate the correct operational effects?
Yes, and here is where we can tie-into other threads where we have dicussed the Merkaba. The important thing to understand about a "real" Merkaba design is not only that it should physically follow the shape of the interlocking tetrahedrons...that is the physical part... HOWEVER, it is also VERY important what sort of FUNCTIONS that this physical device will perform in order to change the Operational timeline.

Gotta run... but as I say, we are moving along quite nicely!
New/Improved RMT
 
maybe some people tried to change the world and maybe those pyramid changed it enough to change the world maybe not make it that kool but still mabe it let us live saving at the same time usand them


for sure we dont know what it chaned but to them they knw
 
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