Yer another time traveling claim
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Darby
Epochal Historian
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
Titorian,
Wrong answer. That doesn't explain the purpose of "c" in E=mc^2. And, yes. I agree that the answer does,in fact, reflect just one year's worth of high school science irrespective of the year.
Try again:
What purpose does "c" represent in the equation. And, generally speaking, what value is assigned to "c" in the equation (and all other relativistic equations, actually). Why is that value used?
Titorian,
Wrong answer. That doesn't explain the purpose of "c" in E=mc^2. And, yes. I agree that the answer does,in fact, reflect just one year's worth of high school science irrespective of the year.
Try again:
What purpose does "c" represent in the equation. And, generally speaking, what value is assigned to "c" in the equation (and all other relativistic equations, actually). Why is that value used?
recall15
Dimensional Traveler
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
This particular history never ends...
From:
http://www.fasttrackproductions.biz/TimeTravel_0.html
Quoted:
" Cris McCarthy has put together this amazing documentary, and it has taken
her over 5 years to complete....mainly because the majority of her footage
was confiscated by the CIA,
and just recently released by the Supreme Court, due to a "fictionalized creation" clause.
The story surrounds the urban internet legend, John Titor. Otherwise known as his IM user handle TIMETRAVEL_0."
Cris started her Documentary by talking with Physics, and Quantum Theory Professors,
discussing the possibilities of time traveling.
How it could or could not be possible, and what types of
scientific evidence proves or disproves the theory of time
travelling. Talking with devoted individuals who have studied their chosen
path extensively. Their path, being something that John Titor
had spoken upon, regarding how humankind will react to 2/3
of the worlds population being wiped out by a huge nuclear
disaster called....War.
Cris then downloaded a manual that John Titor had posted
online, she showed it to some people, and got some very
interesting answers and responses.
Cris was able to track down people that had some online
conversations with John Titor, including one of the first people
to talk with him, and believe what he was saying. She in turn
helped Cris try to make contact with John Titor.
Many people have a variety of different views regarding time
travel, from whether it is possible, to what they would do
if they could time travel... and some of the answers were quite
creative in these street interviews.
And that is where the footage gets interesting....
snip...
end quoted...
Best Regards
Waiting for a pink Timetraveler.
Slacks
www.subgenius.com
This particular history never ends...
From:
http://www.fasttrackproductions.biz/TimeTravel_0.html
Quoted:
" Cris McCarthy has put together this amazing documentary, and it has taken
her over 5 years to complete....mainly because the majority of her footage
was confiscated by the CIA,
and just recently released by the Supreme Court, due to a "fictionalized creation" clause.
The story surrounds the urban internet legend, John Titor. Otherwise known as his IM user handle TIMETRAVEL_0."
Cris started her Documentary by talking with Physics, and Quantum Theory Professors,
discussing the possibilities of time traveling.
How it could or could not be possible, and what types of
scientific evidence proves or disproves the theory of time
travelling. Talking with devoted individuals who have studied their chosen
path extensively. Their path, being something that John Titor
had spoken upon, regarding how humankind will react to 2/3
of the worlds population being wiped out by a huge nuclear
disaster called....War.
Cris then downloaded a manual that John Titor had posted
online, she showed it to some people, and got some very
interesting answers and responses.
Cris was able to track down people that had some online
conversations with John Titor, including one of the first people
to talk with him, and believe what he was saying. She in turn
helped Cris try to make contact with John Titor.
Many people have a variety of different views regarding time
travel, from whether it is possible, to what they would do
if they could time travel... and some of the answers were quite
creative in these street interviews.
And that is where the footage gets interesting....
snip...
end quoted...
Best Regards
Waiting for a pink Timetraveler.
Slacks
www.subgenius.com
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
Decorporealization. I am made of atoms that are millions of years old and collectively form the universe. As a time traveler, I am not the center of the universe, I am only in the wrong time. Everytime I alter history, I am rearranging atoms throughout the world by my actions. Some of those atoms are me. So if I rearrange things enough, I will end up scattering myself all over the planet as reality ripples to keep me in this time I don't exist in. This is why if my other self opened the door and we saw each other eye-to-eye, I would pop out of existence, or decorporealize.
As long as I keep the realm of my interactions sufficiently distanced from my other self, and as long as I don't rewrite history to the point of where I am not in it in 2044, I will continue to exist. "Zero Hour" occurs when you travel back in time and stay up until the present again- then there would be two of you and if either contacted the other, they'd both decorporalize and a black hole would form.
My main message to everyone is to relax. You folks have too much media coming at you- the world is not falling apart and 9/11 won't happen tomorrow. I don't mind "violating causality" by talking about the good things to come- like peace and agricultural and technological advances... things that make life easier. Or self sufficient communities that supply their own power. Or solve Global Warming- just plant a million acres of forest!
Computers in 2044 are about four times as good/fast/smart as today's, mediumware fills in the gap. A million handheld devices that comes with their own memory. We also have "online computers" but you gotta pay for that.
Pamela- What is stopping you from writing your own story?
John Titor was a goof that became a story that became an internet sensation that became an inspiration for time travel that became an urban legend. You are a believer in the John Titor story because John spoke to you the most out of everyone and you never told the world what he told you, plus you have physical evidence and a "secret song"... in other words, you have your own story to tell. In the future he is popular because he was the first to convincingly present himself as a time traveler and inspired the push of technology to pursue real time travel. He's James Bond.
Christianity will continue to plummet and other religions will get more popular. And when the fundamental forces are unified, people get a lot more religous. In 2044, you could say all the great religions are coming together to form one. The US has had its borders wide open to Mexico for legal immigration for years- we need more American tax-paying citizens. And in 2012 we open our borders to Iraq. The population will surge with an influx of new Americans- in 2044 America is a melting pot.
Darby- I gave it a shot as simply as I could. Considering I am a layman talking to a physicist, I could never fully explain the simplest of concepts to you- I don't even know what all those letters in math formulas mean no less who came up with it first. And even if I could, I am not about to give you or anyone here reading this enough information to build a time machine tomorrow- that would absolutely decorporealize me. I spoke in general terms to give a high school understanding of it and the basic concept is simple to understand. Are you here waiting for a time traveler to win you a Nobel Prize? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Decorporealization. I am made of atoms that are millions of years old and collectively form the universe. As a time traveler, I am not the center of the universe, I am only in the wrong time. Everytime I alter history, I am rearranging atoms throughout the world by my actions. Some of those atoms are me. So if I rearrange things enough, I will end up scattering myself all over the planet as reality ripples to keep me in this time I don't exist in. This is why if my other self opened the door and we saw each other eye-to-eye, I would pop out of existence, or decorporealize.
As long as I keep the realm of my interactions sufficiently distanced from my other self, and as long as I don't rewrite history to the point of where I am not in it in 2044, I will continue to exist. "Zero Hour" occurs when you travel back in time and stay up until the present again- then there would be two of you and if either contacted the other, they'd both decorporalize and a black hole would form.
My main message to everyone is to relax. You folks have too much media coming at you- the world is not falling apart and 9/11 won't happen tomorrow. I don't mind "violating causality" by talking about the good things to come- like peace and agricultural and technological advances... things that make life easier. Or self sufficient communities that supply their own power. Or solve Global Warming- just plant a million acres of forest!
Computers in 2044 are about four times as good/fast/smart as today's, mediumware fills in the gap. A million handheld devices that comes with their own memory. We also have "online computers" but you gotta pay for that.
Pamela- What is stopping you from writing your own story?
John Titor was a goof that became a story that became an internet sensation that became an inspiration for time travel that became an urban legend. You are a believer in the John Titor story because John spoke to you the most out of everyone and you never told the world what he told you, plus you have physical evidence and a "secret song"... in other words, you have your own story to tell. In the future he is popular because he was the first to convincingly present himself as a time traveler and inspired the push of technology to pursue real time travel. He's James Bond.
Christianity will continue to plummet and other religions will get more popular. And when the fundamental forces are unified, people get a lot more religous. In 2044, you could say all the great religions are coming together to form one. The US has had its borders wide open to Mexico for legal immigration for years- we need more American tax-paying citizens. And in 2012 we open our borders to Iraq. The population will surge with an influx of new Americans- in 2044 America is a melting pot.
Darby- I gave it a shot as simply as I could. Considering I am a layman talking to a physicist, I could never fully explain the simplest of concepts to you- I don't even know what all those letters in math formulas mean no less who came up with it first. And even if I could, I am not about to give you or anyone here reading this enough information to build a time machine tomorrow- that would absolutely decorporealize me. I spoke in general terms to give a high school understanding of it and the basic concept is simple to understand. Are you here waiting for a time traveler to win you a Nobel Prize? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Darby
Epochal Historian
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
Titorian,
OK, you don't have a clue. So here goes...
In the equation c= 1. No units, just "one". You end up, therefore with e = m. Forget the c^2 because 1^2 is still 1 (as is -1^2).
You see this convention used all over physics. An example is the Lorentz Transformation. The most general form is
Gamma = 1/(1 - v^2/c^2)^1/2. But c = 1. You drop the c^2 and just express the equation as 1/(1-v^2)^1/2 and express "v" as a decimal portion of "c".
By letting c = 1 and understanding that from special relativity we know that all inertial observers will determine that the speed of light in a vacuum is ~300,000 km/sec we can define 1 sec = 300,000 km. We have everything in hand to correctly experss mass, energy, length and even time in any of those units.
The "c" is there for convenience so that the other elements can be expressed in the same units.
And, of course, there's also the problem of the lack of even basic arithmetic skill.
If E = mc^2 you isolate "c" on one side of the equation by dividing both sides by "m". You then have
c = (E/m )^1/2 (you take the squareroot of both sides because you started with c^2).
At this point in time, considering what you've written here and on TTP I'd have to give you a grade of about C- as a writer. Your story is very much the same-same as every other story that we've had since 2000 and your math and science are a bit under the average.
Where you really have a problem is staying in character. You needed to plan this story out a lot more before you gave it a go.
Titorian,
OK, you don't have a clue. So here goes...
In the equation c= 1. No units, just "one". You end up, therefore with e = m. Forget the c^2 because 1^2 is still 1 (as is -1^2).
You see this convention used all over physics. An example is the Lorentz Transformation. The most general form is
Gamma = 1/(1 - v^2/c^2)^1/2. But c = 1. You drop the c^2 and just express the equation as 1/(1-v^2)^1/2 and express "v" as a decimal portion of "c".
By letting c = 1 and understanding that from special relativity we know that all inertial observers will determine that the speed of light in a vacuum is ~300,000 km/sec we can define 1 sec = 300,000 km. We have everything in hand to correctly experss mass, energy, length and even time in any of those units.
The "c" is there for convenience so that the other elements can be expressed in the same units.
And, of course, there's also the problem of the lack of even basic arithmetic skill.
If E = mc^2 you isolate "c" on one side of the equation by dividing both sides by "m". You then have
c = (E/m )^1/2 (you take the squareroot of both sides because you started with c^2).
At this point in time, considering what you've written here and on TTP I'd have to give you a grade of about C- as a writer. Your story is very much the same-same as every other story that we've had since 2000 and your math and science are a bit under the average.
Where you really have a problem is staying in character. You needed to plan this story out a lot more before you gave it a go.
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
Titorian,
Hmmm...You are very interesting. How long will you be talking to us?
"This is why if my other self opened the door and we saw each other eye-to-eye, I would pop out of existence, or decorporealize."
But you didn't answer my question on what would happen to your spirit after you decorporealized.
You are standing there and you see your other self and he sees you. Your body decorporealizes
but what happens to your spirit? Are you still observing until you are absorbed into your other self here? Do you merge as one? Are the spirits the same spirit? Does your other self briefly have two memories of walking to the door inside the house and coming up to the door and knocking?
Titorian,
Hmmm...You are very interesting. How long will you be talking to us?
"This is why if my other self opened the door and we saw each other eye-to-eye, I would pop out of existence, or decorporealize."
But you didn't answer my question on what would happen to your spirit after you decorporealized.
You are standing there and you see your other self and he sees you. Your body decorporealizes
but what happens to your spirit? Are you still observing until you are absorbed into your other self here? Do you merge as one? Are the spirits the same spirit? Does your other self briefly have two memories of walking to the door inside the house and coming up to the door and knocking?
recall15
Dimensional Traveler
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
the time frame reference in this time frame:
The Declaration of Independence:
http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/declaration_transcript.html
The constitution:
http://www.constitutioncenter.org/explore/TheU.S.Constitution/index.shtml
Regards
Waiting for a pink Timetraveler
Slack
www.subgenius.com
P.S. Pam: why you don`t start to write you own history.....
the time frame reference in this time frame:
The Declaration of Independence:
http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/declaration_transcript.html
The constitution:
http://www.constitutioncenter.org/explore/TheU.S.Constitution/index.shtml
Regards
Waiting for a pink Timetraveler
Slack
www.subgenius.com
P.S. Pam: why you don`t start to write you own history.....
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
Darby writes: In the equation c= 1. No units, just "one". You end up, therefore with e = m. By letting c = 1 and understanding that from special relativity we know that all inertial observers will determine that the speed of light in a vacuum is ~300,000 km/sec we can define 1 sec = 300,000 km.
So energy and mass are different expressions of the same thing?
Pamela- I have different religous beliefs than you do- you can say I am more gnostic. As I approached my other self, I would begin to pop out of existence one atom at a time. In theory I should never be able to reach the door.
Darby writes: In the equation c= 1. No units, just "one". You end up, therefore with e = m. By letting c = 1 and understanding that from special relativity we know that all inertial observers will determine that the speed of light in a vacuum is ~300,000 km/sec we can define 1 sec = 300,000 km.
So energy and mass are different expressions of the same thing?
Pamela- I have different religous beliefs than you do- you can say I am more gnostic. As I approached my other self, I would begin to pop out of existence one atom at a time. In theory I should never be able to reach the door.
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
He does not have a time machine here, Titorian just popped out of thin air and onto landing base. He is totally stuck on our time line just like we all are. So if you expect some picture you will never see them. It’s just like Terminator 2 the movie. You should ask do you have a picture of the landing pad that they design for this venture or a picture of the capsule he was in to protect himself. People constructed the landing pad in our time; the future gave the schematics and location of it through a temporal data connection. It seems like his time line is different than John Titors time line since the means are different for travel. I rather don’t believe they have two different model of time machine in 2040's. One of them must be a fraud or they are from two different time line. But Titorian told us there is only one world line and not multiples. One thing you can ask him is if he believes in divergence just like John Titor, which then support many world line features.
He does not have a time machine here, Titorian just popped out of thin air and onto landing base. He is totally stuck on our time line just like we all are. So if you expect some picture you will never see them. It’s just like Terminator 2 the movie. You should ask do you have a picture of the landing pad that they design for this venture or a picture of the capsule he was in to protect himself. People constructed the landing pad in our time; the future gave the schematics and location of it through a temporal data connection. It seems like his time line is different than John Titors time line since the means are different for travel. I rather don’t believe they have two different model of time machine in 2040's. One of them must be a fraud or they are from two different time line. But Titorian told us there is only one world line and not multiples. One thing you can ask him is if he believes in divergence just like John Titor, which then support many world line features.
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
"Pamela- I have different religous beliefs than you do- you can say I am more gnostic. As I approached my other self, I would begin to pop out of existence one atom at a time. In theory I should never be able to reach the door."
I don't understand what religious beliefs have to do with it.
Are you saying you don't believe the body has a spirit?
Another question I asked that I was curious about was
if there were any controlled experiments to know for sure you do indeed
pop out atom by atom or if it is just a current theory in your time.
Another question I have is why does a black hole form between the two people
if they approach "zero hour" ? What is the difference between meeting your other self
right away or waiting until the time comes you came from?
What about spooky action at a distance? Didn't all matter/energy in this world come from its big bang?
"Pamela- I have different religous beliefs than you do- you can say I am more gnostic. As I approached my other self, I would begin to pop out of existence one atom at a time. In theory I should never be able to reach the door."
I don't understand what religious beliefs have to do with it.
Are you saying you don't believe the body has a spirit?
Another question I asked that I was curious about was
if there were any controlled experiments to know for sure you do indeed
pop out atom by atom or if it is just a current theory in your time.
Another question I have is why does a black hole form between the two people
if they approach "zero hour" ? What is the difference between meeting your other self
right away or waiting until the time comes you came from?
What about spooky action at a distance? Didn't all matter/energy in this world come from its big bang?
timetravelerbeliever
Chrono Cadet
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
Really interesting Titorian. I am really interested in this one, but hey I am always easy to entertain when it comes to time traveling. Anyways here goes a few questions:
1)You mentioned something about "sending messages to the past". Are you refering to a real time traveler that did this? By any chance from 2026?
2)Is, by any chance, any of those time traveling movies/books called TTED or something like it?
3)How is the technology in your time? Any advancements, apart from time traveling, you can talk to us about?
Thanks for your time!
Jose
Really interesting Titorian. I am really interested in this one, but hey I am always easy to entertain when it comes to time traveling. Anyways here goes a few questions:
1)You mentioned something about "sending messages to the past". Are you refering to a real time traveler that did this? By any chance from 2026?
2)Is, by any chance, any of those time traveling movies/books called TTED or something like it?
3)How is the technology in your time? Any advancements, apart from time traveling, you can talk to us about?
Thanks for your time!
Jose
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
If he sees himself I don’t think anything will happen. The matter that was when you are 7 is different from the matter that is in you now. Every 7 year you recreate yourself a new. So I really think nothing will happen if he see his younger self.
If he sees himself I don’t think anything will happen. The matter that was when you are 7 is different from the matter that is in you now. Every 7 year you recreate yourself a new. So I really think nothing will happen if he see his younger self.
Re: Yet another time traveling claim
"The matter that was when you are 7 is different from the matter that is in you now. Every 7 year you recreate yourself a new." Designer quote
I know that is written in medical books.
But how is it we can still remember things from when we were seven?
Something must stay the same in the brain...or in the spirit.
Or is it that close copies don't matter because even slightly different is different?
Sheesh thanks alot now I will be thinking about that for hours. :eek:
"The matter that was when you are 7 is different from the matter that is in you now. Every 7 year you recreate yourself a new." Designer quote
I know that is written in medical books.
But how is it we can still remember things from when we were seven?
Something must stay the same in the brain...or in the spirit.
Or is it that close copies don't matter because even slightly different is different?
Sheesh thanks alot now I will be thinking about that for hours. :eek: