Time Travel

Darby said:
There were instances, however, where he failed to be so careful. There were posts where he was obviously intoxicated while posting. On a couple of those occassions he apparently failed to realize that he had not logged into TTI via his normal proxy site but had, instead, logged in directly. That left a real IP trace here - an IP trace that lead back to an original member of the community who was here long before there was a TTO. It's unlikely that we will ever learn who that member was because of the TOS agreement at the time that Boomer originally registered before becoming TTO. I can't blame the owners here for not wanting to get sued for breach of contract and/or violation of privacy.
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So the member was using a proxy for his posts, but before that he posted here without proxy, and that same IP address was also used by another handle on TTI?

How do you know this Darby? And if you do know it, why don't you know who?

TOS agreements like many agreements online are subject to change at any time without any warning. Couldn't the TOS agreement simply be rewritten to exclude this particular member thus outing him?

And you say "owners" I thought there was only one owner, MOP, I guess I am wrong again?
 
RenUnconscious said:
So the member was using a proxy for his posts, but before that he posted here without proxy, and that same IP address was also used by another handle on TTI?

How do you know this Darby? And if you do know it, why don't you know who?

TOS agreements like many agreements online are subject to change at any time without any warning. Couldn't the TOS agreement simply be rewritten to exclude this particular member thus outing him?

And you say "owners" I thought there was only one owner, MOP, I guess I am wrong again?
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Ren,

Don't read anything into "owner/owners". MOP is the owner and as far as I am aware, the sole owner.

Can TOS agreements be re-written on the spot? Sure. And then the site owner has everyone agree to the new rules. A TOS is an agreement between the owner and user - a contract if you will. So, no. The owner can't trap a Member into a compromising situation by luring him/her in with one TOS and when sufficient information is available unilaterally change the rules, insert a new TOS and spill the information gained under the original TOS into the public forum contrary to the original agreement. It's not as if the Titor Saga doesn't have a very good attorney at it's center.

You already know the answer to the rest of the question because we've discussed it before. If someone wants the inforrmation they can contact MOP and see if the site is for sale. If it is, buy the site, check the logs and if they still go back to 1998-1999 the information should be there. The last time anyone checked (and it was several years ago) the asking price for TTI was $25k. The new owner could then run an experiment:

Pay the $25k to buy the site​
Find the data if it is still there in the logs.​
Re-write the TOS.​
Open up a post and publish the information on the public forum.​
Wait to see if Larry Haber sues.​
If he does, get an attorney and fight the suit.​
Possibly obtain a pyrric victory after paying the attorney $40k-$50k.​
Probably lose and pay $50k damages plus the $40k-$50k in attorney fees.​
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Hey, it only cost $65k-$125k to find the information but it's worth it, isn't it? This is John Titor, after all.
 
Skarpz said:
Who knows, Bruce Wayne might buy up this place.
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LOL... A fictional comic book character buys the joint, and releases the info about a fictional time traveler.

But that does raise an interesting point. What if an anonymous buyer from abroad buys the joint? Wouldn't that insulate the buyer from any kind of lawsuit?
 
So, we're (once again - the idea isn't new) contemplating secretely, silently and anonymously buying the site, getting it hosted off-shore in a third world shithole dictatorship whose government will cover us to avoid lawsuits all in order that we can conspire to violate some person's privacy? Do I have that about correct?
 
Yes, Darby that about sums it up. Of course there is the homeland terrorist angle too. Just get homeland security involved over suspected terrorist activity. They can subpoena the information without paying for it.
Then I believe down the road, we as United States citizens can request the information be released, using the freedom of information act.
 
You can protect yourself legally by using "allegedly".
These guys allegedly posted with the same grammar and syntax as Time Travel 0, later as John Titor, and finally pretending to be an alien.
And today, if you ask the people who posed as John Titor, they will explain that it was a joke that went too far.
So let's take those facts and hold on to them.
It doesn't change the fact that there are a great deal of "predictions" that are coming true based on the emerging historical trends.
John Titor is a fraud. But the things he said, many things, are not fraud. They're happening. I have recently reviewed what he posted and many things are happening now. I see where he often contradicted himself with two opposite statements and one of those statements turned out to have happened. For example, read what John Titor says about the Artic ice melt. He says two opposite things about it. One of those things he said is happening right now.
 
John Thomas said:
And today, if you ask the people who posed as John Titor, they will explain that it was a joke that went too far.
So let's take those facts and hold on to them.
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Indulge me a second here and explain how the first sentence, which is clearly a presumption by you with no evidence behind it somehow rises to "facts".

It doesn't change the fact that there are a great deal of "predictions" that are coming true based on the emerging historical trends.
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Again, I must ask for veridical evidence if you are going to call something a "fact". You could start out by citing a specific prediction that is distinctly tied to a real person, and then provide the evidence that validates the prediction, unambiguously.

John Titor is a fraud. But the things he said, many things, are not fraud. They're happening. I have recently reviewed what he posted and many things are happening now. I see where he often contradicted himself with two opposite statements and one of those statements turned out to have happened. For example, read what John Titor says about the Artic ice melt. He says two opposite things about it. One of those things he said is happening right now.
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You say these things, yet you offer not a SINGLE, actual citation to prove your point. I am growing weary of your loose approach, Mr. Thomas, which is why (as you can tell) I am jumping in to challenge your fluff more and more.

RMT
 
RainmanTime said:
You say these things, yet you offer not a SINGLE, actual citation to prove your point. I am growing weary of your loose approach, Mr. Thomas, which is why (as you can tell) I am jumping in to challenge your fluff more and more.
RMT
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I'm a little frightened in responding for fear of being banned. Sorry Rainman if I have offended you.
 
John Thomas said:
John Titor is a fraud.
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John,

I think we go a bit too far when we characterize the Titor Saga (or any other story on this or similar sites) as fraud. Fraud is an intentional act of deception intended to cause (economic) harm to the victim(s). There's no victim here. No one lost any property or were otherwise hurt by the story. On the contrary, this and a few other sites were and continue to be very much rewarded by the experience. I was rewarded if for no other reason than I had to go back, hit the books for several years and review, revise and extend my college physics, math, history and political science in order to intelligently respond to posts. I continue to "hit the books" daily - and enjoy every minute of it. I have no problem with Boomer, the JTF or Larry Haber.

The Titor Saga is fiction, not fraud. The intent was to promote a creative capital venture. Of course, there was a philosophical and political message involved that not everyone agreed with. There was nothing criminal, immoral or unethical involved. That I didn't agree with the political message and the fact that the underlying "science" was rather silly doesn't mean that I would claim "fraud". Neither should you, though you have every right to so characterize it.

Or maybe you didn't really mean "fraud" and just chose the wrong word to describe the situation.
 
John Thomas said:
I'm a little frightened in responding for fear of being banned. Sorry Rainman if I have offended you.
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I think even Einstein (with whom I do not always see eye to eye) will vouch that I do not ban people simply because I feel offended. In fact, it's just an internet forum. Were I to feel offended, I would have bigger problems.

RMT
 
NozeItAll said:
Nice side step.
I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that RainManTime is probably not offended, but most likely annoyed. And I seriously doubt you will get banned if you can support your assetions with evidence. I would like to hear it as well.
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Good guesses. And yes, I do tend to get a bit annoyed at people who make claims and then provide absolutely zero evidence. So they at least deserve to be challenged.

RMT
 
RainmanTime said:
I think even Einstein (with whom I do not always see eye to eye) will vouch that I do not ban people simply because I feel offended. In fact, it's just an internet forum. Were I to feel offended, I would have bigger problems.

RMT
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Oh, darn it. Looks like John just got a reprieve... But wait! Now a debt is owed... How will it be repayed? Stay tuned for the continuing saga at TTI...
 
Time Travel_0 said:
Hello people,I am John Titor and I am back.
Who don't believe me can ask me whatever he/she want.
We are now in 2012 but I am from year 2036 (I think you all know that),
I am back to help you to save the world...
I know,November 4th 2000 I wrote that in 2015 will be a World War.
It will may not happen.You can may avoid it but it is too early to tell you about it...
I am sorry but my Time Travel Machine is broken...I can't return home...
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So what your saying is you have a time traveling space ship. Because if you don't ,I'd love to know to you beat the interstellar drift problem.Considering if you warp time and space in one location doesn't mean the planet will be there at the time you are planning to travel to.For example, if you decide you want to go back six months,you warp the time and space around you.In six months the planet is on the other side of the sun.So, needless to say, you better be in some kind of air tight unit that has engines capable of space travel.On top of all that you have to consider the solar systems movement, plus galactic movement and universal movement into your equation.You could end up trillions of kilometers off your target location.To time travel period requires the means of space travel. Without it is utter suicide. If you disagree, that's fine. I would love to hear a hole in my concept.
 
Jean Blanchette said:
To time travel period requires the means of space travel.
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Yes, exactly. In fact, I just posted something similar to another person in another thread. The entire, pop-sci romantic notion of "Time Travel" is fundamentally flawed. It is incorrect in its basic notion because science has proven to us that Space and Time are a unified fabric.

And then there is the further unified fabric that I call Massive SpaceTime, wherein the 3 fundmental concepts that our human minds decompose the universe into (Mass, Space, and Time) are actually a unified fabric unto themselves. This is why in kinematics of bodies such metrics as momentum and energy are conserved, because these metrics are compound measures of Mass, Space, and Time.

RMT
 
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