Time Travel

NozeItAll said:
I am wondering if it is a valid comparison between an instant chat and a post. Did you find any other grammer issues in his posts?
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Nope, the public posts were thoroughly scrubbed. Meaning they were shined to a polish, someone went through, fixed mistakes, spelling, grammar, then posted. Highly suspicious. In fact none of the errors committed during the IRC chat could be identified in ANY OTHER POST that the supposed John Titor made...

I've been busy but I'll be back around soon if anyone cares.
 
and effectively nullify any proclamation of a hoax.
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Correcting someones grammar is one thing. But I think it will take a lot more than that to nullify the proclaimed hoax. And I wouldn't even consider it a proclaimed hoax at all. Just so we all understand, the John Titor story is a CONFIRMED hoax.
 
The laser picture is not possible in our universe. There is not even a remote possibility. Just flat out IMPOSSIBLE. That picture by itself is confirmation that the John Titor story is a HOAX. But I believe we went through this already. Perhaps you might have a problem distinguishing what is real and what is not. If that's the case, then I think it's time for you to address this issue.
 
NozeItAll

Sorry if I offended you. But it wasn't our current understanding of physics that negates the possibility of time travel. Although I'll admit that what the scientific community is promulgating is just as much of a hoax as Titor's story. I do believe time travel is possible and has been going on right under our noses all along. I wasn't calling Titor's method of time travel a hoax. Obviously he tells a good yarn concerning the method he uses. In fact if he had never submitted the laser picture, I might still favor his story. But he did submit the laser picture. And I for one don't believe black holes exist. That's part of the crap that the scientific community is promulgating.
 
If you read anything about black holes, you will find there is a widely held belief in the scientific community that they exist. There seems to be a tremendous amount of effort to confirm their existence. In fact a lot of theories out there require their existence. And that is the crux of what is wrong in the scientific community. Theories are treated like religious beliefs. So try not to get in the way of anyone's religious belief. Oh, one more thing, I'm not a physicist. Just a regular Joe like you. But I have learned to distinguish between facts and opinions and theories. Just don't believe anything you read, and only about half of what you see. A fact is real, something you can verify. Use that bit of info and re-examine the Titor story. You wont find any facts. And that in itself should tell you it's just a bunch of bull.
 
Please understand I am not trying to perpetuate any unecessary bantering, but how can the lack of facts or evidence necessarily prove something's nonexistence? In other words, is absense of evidence considered evidence of absense?
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Without facts, I wouldn't accept anything as being real. And I have seen evidence get promulgated as facts. So I have learned to differentiate. So to me a belief is something unsupported with facts. I don't cling to beliefs. I might have some. But I just accept that beliefs are subject to change. I guess I kind of view beliefs as being on the bench awaiting assignment.
 
Einstein some of what we are talking about is theory at this time. This forum is about theories of time travel. Now let John speak.
 
RenUnconscious said:
Nope, the public posts were thoroughly scrubbed. Meaning they were shined to a polish, someone went through, fixed mistakes, spelling, grammar, then posted. Highly suspicious. In fact none of the errors committed during the IRC chat could be identified in ANY OTHER POST that the supposed John Titor made...

I've been busy but I'll be back around soon if anyone cares.
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Ren,

I'm sorry, but that just isn't true. The posts were never cleaned up here or on Anomalies. The copies of the original threads are and always have been verbatim copies of the threads. The copies that I posted here a few months ago are those original threads - verbatim. Pamela and I, individually captured the threads while they were in progress, not months or years later.

As to the IRC, you're far behind the times. There is no mystery behind them, at least not since 2004. It took me almost three years but I finally convinced Yariesa to come on to Anomalies. She was the person who saved the IRC log, it was her private IRC room and she is the original source of the log. She forwarded it to Anomalies when she saw that the Post-2-Post "I am from 2036" thread was copies and placed on Anomalies when Art Bell shut down P2P. She remained on Anomalies for several years but she rarely talked about Titor. Reason? Her take on Boomer was that he was an Internet "creep". He creeped her out and she did not feel comfortable conversing with him (there were other conversations but she did not keep the logs) not because he was supposed to be a time traveler, she ecpected that. It was his general attitude - creepy. Someone that you might meet on the Internet but not someone that you would feel comfortable sharing personal information with.
 
Darby said:
Ren,

I'm sorry, but that just isn't true. The posts were never cleaned up here or on Anomalies. The copies of the original threads are and always have been verbatim copies of the threads. The copies that I posted here a few months ago are those original threads - verbatim. Pamela and I, individually captured the threads while they were in progress, not months or years later.

As to the IRC, you're far behind the times. There is no mystery behind them, at least not since 2004. It took me almost three years but I finally convinced Yariesa to come on to Anomalies. She was the person who saved the IRC log, it was her private IRC room and she is the original source of the log. She forwarded it to Anomalies when she saw that the Post-2-Post "I am from 2036" thread was copies and placed on Anomalies when Art Bell shut down P2P. She remained on Anomalies for several years but she rarely talked about Titor. Reason? Her take on Boomer was that he was an Internet "creep". He creeped her out and she did not feel comfortable conversing with him (there were other conversations but she did not keep the logs) not because he was supposed to be a time traveler, she ecpected that. It was his general attitude - creepy. Someone that you might meet on the Internet but not someone that you would feel comfortable sharing personal information with.
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You misunderstood me Darby, probably my fault. I am trying to imply that the John Titor posts on forums such as TTI (here) and other's that have been copied, were meticulously pre-screened BEFORE John Titor posted them. He/she/they went through the post, fixed many grammar and spelling mistakes, and then posted.

I was not trying to imply someone else had gone through the posts after the fact and fixed them up. No, not that at all. I am saying that the posts were scrubbed thoroughly BEFORE they were posted.

I am familiar with the origination of the IRC logs with John Titor that Yariesa posted. It is those logs I am referring to, when I was attempting to compare them to the John Titor forum posts. There is a major variance in the spelling/grammar that can only be accounted for by someone writing something, analyzing it, fixing spelling/grammar mistakes, and then posting it. This implies purpose, and not just someone "chatting" with other people online. For example, I will post this message right away without previewing it or re-reading it. John Titor did not really seem to do that. But whatever.
 
RenUnconscious said:
You misunderstood me Darby, probably my fault. I am trying to imply that the John Titor posts on forums such as TTI (here) and other's that have been copied, were meticulously pre-screened BEFORE John Titor posted them. He/she/they went through the post, fixed many grammar and spelling mistakes, and then posted.

I was not trying to imply someone else had gone through the posts after the fact and fixed them up. No, not that at all. I am saying that the posts were scrubbed thoroughly BEFORE they were posted.

I am familiar with the origination of the IRC logs with John Titor that Yariesa posted. It is those logs I am referring to, when I was attempting to compare them to the John Titor forum posts. There is a major variance in the spelling/grammar that can only be accounted for by someone writing something, analyzing it, fixing spelling/grammar mistakes, and then posting it. This implies purpose, and not just someone "chatting" with other people online. For example, I will post this message right away without previewing it or re-reading it. John Titor did not really seem to do that. But whatever.
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Ah. Gotcha.

You're correct. He obviously went over and did appear to spell/grammar check. I do the same. There are times when it takes me 30 minutes to craft a single post here. And a great number of his posts, as I've pointed out, were not made by him directly. Pamela made them, stating that she copied & posted excerpts from their emailings. I have no reason to believe that she wrote the posts. They do appear to be his. Side-by-side, comparing their writing skills...well...Pamela couldn't hold a candle to his writing ability. Skill aside, the styles were far different. He was pretty direct. Pamela's style is passive-aggressive. His vocabulary and usage was college/college post-graduate level. Pamela - not so much. Leave it at that.

There were instances, however, where he failed to be so careful. There were posts where he was obviously intoxicated while posting. On a couple of those occassions he apparently failed to realize that he had not logged into TTI via his normal proxy site but had, instead, logged in directly. That left a real IP trace here - an IP trace that lead back to an original member of the community who was here long before there was a TTO. It's unlikely that we will ever learn who that member was because of the TOS agreement at the time that Boomer originally registered before becoming TTO. I can't blame the owners here for not wanting to get sued for breach of contract and/or violation of privacy.
 
John Thomas said:
Gentlemen, what about the fact that John Titor may have had intentional spelling and grammar errors placed as to give us clues?
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John,

If you believe that have at it. Do the analysis and post the results. For me, 11 years later, sounds like far too much work. We did the analysis of his concordance many years ago. The concordance included every word Titor used in his posts here and on Post-2-Post, even misspelled words.
 
Darby said:
John,

If you believe that have at it. Do the analysis and post the results. For me, 11 years later, sounds like far too much work. We did the analysis of his concordance many years ago. The concordance included every word Titor used in his posts here and on Post-2-Post, even misspelled words.
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Darby, what about that comment "I am a Christian Agnostic"? I'm focusing on that now. I'm reading about John's religious beliefs and it seems he is saying one thing but meaning another.
 
"On a couple of those occassions he apparently failed to realize that he had not logged into TTI via his normal proxy site but had, instead, logged in directly. That left a real IP trace here - an IP trace that lead back to an original member of the community who was here long before there was a TTO."

I always knew he'd been someone else before being John Titor and I also have the weird tingling sensation that he was, for a time, someone else after the John Titor TTO incidents.

This information is really interesting for it confirms my suspicions. After all, we all know that the only real time traveler in this thread was Chronohistorian :) :)
 
Transient001 said:
After all, we all know that the only real time traveler in this thread was Chronohistorian :) :)
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Oh my, can't forget about Dave Kinky. He is most definitely a 'real' time traveler. Must be taking a sabbatical from us "dim-lit cave dwelling primitives" and cruising the timelines in his chronoship, Zodiac. o_O

On a serious note : Why is it so important to believe or not to believe whether or not John Titor (any time travel claimant, for that matter) is a real time traveler ?

Is it such that proof would confirm that time travel is achieved ? And if so, then what would be done with that confirmation by anyone here ?

or...

Would confirmation of a time traveler's claim be used to prepare for some kind of doomsday scenario, as seems to be indicated by most of, if not all, of the time traveling claimaints ?
 
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