NozeItAll1
Temporal Novice
I am surprised nobody has thought of that yet
Time Travel
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NozeItAll1
Temporal Novice
I am surprised nobody has thought of that yet. Maybe we should all pool our resources and make it a community owned website...for the people...by the people.
Darby
Epochal Historian
So, we're (once again - the idea isn't new) contemplating secretely, silently and anonymously buying the site, getting it hosted off-shore in a third world shithole dictatorship whose government will cover us to avoid lawsuits all in order that we can conspire to violate some person's privacy? Do I have that about correct?
Einstein
Dimensional Traveler
Yes, Darby that about sums it up. Of course there is the homeland terrorist angle too. Just get homeland security involved over suspected terrorist activity. They can subpoena the information without paying for it.
Then I believe down the road, we as United States citizens can request the information be released, using the freedom of information act.
Then I believe down the road, we as United States citizens can request the information be released, using the freedom of information act.
JohnQAnonTitor
Chrono Cadet
You can protect yourself legally by using "allegedly".
These guys allegedly posted with the same grammar and syntax as Time Travel 0, later as John Titor, and finally pretending to be an alien.
And today, if you ask the people who posed as John Titor, they will explain that it was a joke that went too far.
So let's take those facts and hold on to them.
It doesn't change the fact that there are a great deal of "predictions" that are coming true based on the emerging historical trends.
John Titor is a fraud. But the things he said, many things, are not fraud. They're happening. I have recently reviewed what he posted and many things are happening now. I see where he often contradicted himself with two opposite statements and one of those statements turned out to have happened. For example, read what John Titor says about the Artic ice melt. He says two opposite things about it. One of those things he said is happening right now.
These guys allegedly posted with the same grammar and syntax as Time Travel 0, later as John Titor, and finally pretending to be an alien.
And today, if you ask the people who posed as John Titor, they will explain that it was a joke that went too far.
So let's take those facts and hold on to them.
It doesn't change the fact that there are a great deal of "predictions" that are coming true based on the emerging historical trends.
John Titor is a fraud. But the things he said, many things, are not fraud. They're happening. I have recently reviewed what he posted and many things are happening now. I see where he often contradicted himself with two opposite statements and one of those statements turned out to have happened. For example, read what John Titor says about the Artic ice melt. He says two opposite things about it. One of those things he said is happening right now.
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Indulge me a second here and explain how the first sentence, which is clearly a presumption by you with no evidence behind it somehow rises to "facts".
Again, I must ask for veridical evidence if you are going to call something a "fact". You could start out by citing a specific prediction that is distinctly tied to a real person, and then provide the evidence that validates the prediction, unambiguously.
You say these things, yet you offer not a SINGLE, actual citation to prove your point. I am growing weary of your loose approach, Mr. Thomas, which is why (as you can tell) I am jumping in to challenge your fluff more and more.
RMT
JohnQAnonTitor
Chrono Cadet
I'm a little frightened in responding for fear of being banned. Sorry Rainman if I have offended you.
NozeItAll1
Temporal Novice
Nice side step.
I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that RainManTime is probably not offended, but most likely annoyed. And I seriously doubt you will get banned if you can support your assetions with evidence. I would like to hear it as well.
Darby
Epochal Historian
John,
I think we go a bit too far when we characterize the Titor Saga (or any other story on this or similar sites) as fraud. Fraud is an intentional act of deception intended to cause (economic) harm to the victim(s). There's no victim here. No one lost any property or were otherwise hurt by the story. On the contrary, this and a few other sites were and continue to be very much rewarded by the experience. I was rewarded if for no other reason than I had to go back, hit the books for several years and review, revise and extend my college physics, math, history and political science in order to intelligently respond to posts. I continue to "hit the books" daily - and enjoy every minute of it. I have no problem with Boomer, the JTF or Larry Haber.
The Titor Saga is fiction, not fraud. The intent was to promote a creative capital venture. Of course, there was a philosophical and political message involved that not everyone agreed with. There was nothing criminal, immoral or unethical involved. That I didn't agree with the political message and the fact that the underlying "science" was rather silly doesn't mean that I would claim "fraud". Neither should you, though you have every right to so characterize it.
Or maybe you didn't really mean "fraud" and just chose the wrong word to describe the situation.
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
I think even Einstein (with whom I do not always see eye to eye) will vouch that I do not ban people simply because I feel offended. In fact, it's just an internet forum. Were I to feel offended, I would have bigger problems.
RMT
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Good guesses. And yes, I do tend to get a bit annoyed at people who make claims and then provide absolutely zero evidence. So they at least deserve to be challenged.
RMT
JohnQAnonTitor
Chrono Cadet
Einstein. Please clarify. Would that be a legal threat?
NozeItAll1
Temporal Novice
I am lost too, but that seems to be my perpetual state of existence.
Jean Blanchette1
Temporal Novice
So what your saying is you have a time traveling space ship. Because if you don't ,I'd love to know to you beat the interstellar drift problem.Considering if you warp time and space in one location doesn't mean the planet will be there at the time you are planning to travel to.For example, if you decide you want to go back six months,you warp the time and space around you.In six months the planet is on the other side of the sun.So, needless to say, you better be in some kind of air tight unit that has engines capable of space travel.On top of all that you have to consider the solar systems movement, plus galactic movement and universal movement into your equation.You could end up trillions of kilometers off your target location.To time travel period requires the means of space travel. Without it is utter suicide. If you disagree, that's fine. I would love to hear a hole in my concept.
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Yes, exactly. In fact, I just posted something similar to another person in another thread. The entire, pop-sci romantic notion of "Time Travel" is fundamentally flawed. It is incorrect in its basic notion because science has proven to us that Space and Time are a unified fabric.
And then there is the further unified fabric that I call Massive SpaceTime, wherein the 3 fundmental concepts that our human minds decompose the universe into (Mass, Space, and Time) are actually a unified fabric unto themselves. This is why in kinematics of bodies such metrics as momentum and energy are conserved, because these metrics are compound measures of Mass, Space, and Time.
RMT
Einstein
Dimensional Traveler
I disagree. The Michelson Morley experiment shows the earth is not moving through space as we perceive it. It also shows the earth apparently doesn't rotate about its axis either. A very conflicting experiment to say the least. One interpretation is that the earth drags a chunk of space time with it in its journey through space time. So it would appear that if one were to stay within the confines of the earths environment, a displacement through space would not occur with the use of a time machine.
Of course experiments with gyroscopes are in direct conflict with the Michelson Morley experiment. A freely gymboled spinning gyroscope will align itself with the earths axis over one period of earths rotation. So to me the two experiments suggest the existence of two separate types of space time. Our current science doesn't make that distinction. And of course, if there are two distinct types of space time, could there be a third? Personally I like the concept of three types of space time.