Time Travel

Nope, the public posts were thoroughly scrubbed. Meaning they were shined to a polish, someone went through, fixed mistakes, spelling, grammar, then posted. Highly suspicious. In fact none of the errors committed during the IRC chat could be identified in ANY OTHER POST that the supposed John Titor made...I've been busy but I'll be back around soon if anyone cares.
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Ren,
I'm sorry, but that just isn't true. The posts were never cleaned up here or on Anomalies. The copies of the original threads are and always have been verbatim copies of the threads. The copies that I posted here a few months ago are those original threads - verbatim. Pamela and I, individually captured the threads while they were in progress, not months or years later.

As to the IRC, you're far behind the times. There is no mystery behind them, at least not since 2004. It took me almost three years but I finally convinced Yariesa to come on to Anomalies. She was the person who saved the IRC log, it was her private IRC room and she is the original source of the log. She forwarded it to Anomalies when she saw that the Post-2-Post "I am from 2036" thread was copies and placed on Anomalies when Art Bell shut down P2P. She remained on Anomalies for several years but she rarely talked about Titor. Reason? Her take on Boomer was that he was an Internet "creep". He creeped her out and she did not feel comfortable conversing with him (there were other conversations but she did not keep the logs) not because he was supposed to be a time traveler, she ecpected that. It was his general attitude - creepy. Someone that you might meet on the Internet but not someone that you would feel comfortable sharing personal information with.

 
Ren,I'm sorry, but that just isn't true. The posts were never cleaned up here or on Anomalies. The copies of the original threads are and always have been verbatim copies of the threads. The copies that I posted here a few months ago are those original threads - verbatim. Pamela and I, individually captured the threads while they were in progress, not months or years later.
As to the IRC, you're far behind the times. There is no mystery behind them, at least not since 2004. It took me almost three years but I finally convinced Yariesa to come on to Anomalies. She was the person who saved the IRC log, it was her private IRC room and she is the original source of the log. She forwarded it to Anomalies when she saw that the Post-2-Post "I am from 2036" thread was copies and placed on Anomalies when Art Bell shut down P2P. She remained on Anomalies for several years but she rarely talked about Titor. Reason? Her take on Boomer was that he was an Internet "creep". He creeped her out and she did not feel comfortable conversing with him (there were other conversations but she did not keep the logs) not because he was supposed to be a time traveler, she ecpected that. It was his general attitude - creepy. Someone that you might meet on the Internet but not someone that you would feel comfortable sharing personal information with.
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You misunderstood me Darby, probably my fault. I am trying to imply that the John Titor posts on forums such as TTI (here) and other's that have been copied, were meticulously pre-screened BEFORE John Titor posted them. He/she/they went through the post, fixed many grammar and spelling mistakes, and then posted.
I was not trying to imply someone else had gone through the posts after the fact and fixed them up. No, not that at all. I am saying that the posts were scrubbed thoroughly BEFORE they were posted.

I am familiar with the origination of the IRC logs with John Titor that Yariesa posted. It is those logs I am referring to, when I was attempting to compare them to the John Titor forum posts. There is a major variance in the spelling/grammar that can only be accounted for by someone writing something, analyzing it, fixing spelling/grammar mistakes, and then posting it. This implies purpose, and not just someone "chatting" with other people online. For example, I will post this message right away without previewing it or re-reading it. John Titor did not really seem to do that. But whatever.

 
You misunderstood me Darby, probably my fault. I am trying to imply that the John Titor posts on forums such as TTI (here) and other's that have been copied, were meticulously pre-screened BEFORE John Titor posted them. He/she/they went through the post, fixed many grammar and spelling mistakes, and then posted.I was not trying to imply someone else had gone through the posts after the fact and fixed them up. No, not that at all. I am saying that the posts were scrubbed thoroughly BEFORE they were posted.
I am familiar with the origination of the IRC logs with John Titor that Yariesa posted. It is those logs I am referring to, when I was attempting to compare them to the John Titor forum posts. There is a major variance in the spelling/grammar that can only be accounted for by someone writing something, analyzing it, fixing spelling/grammar mistakes, and then posting it. This implies purpose, and not just someone "chatting" with other people online. For example, I will post this message right away without previewing it or re-reading it. John Titor did not really seem to do that. But whatever.
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Ah. Gotcha.
You're correct. He obviously went over and did appear to spell/grammar check. I do the same. There are times when it takes me 30 minutes to craft a single post here. And a great number of his posts, as I've pointed out, were not made by him directly. Pamela made them, stating that she copied & posted excerpts from their emailings. I have no reason to believe that she wrote the posts. They do appear to be his. Side-by-side, comparing their writing skills...well...Pamela couldn't hold a candle to his writing ability. Skill aside, the styles were far different. He was pretty direct. Pamela's style is passive-aggressive. His vocabulary and usage was college/college post-graduate level. Pamela - not so much. Leave it at that.

There were instances, however, where he failed to be so careful. There were posts where he was obviously intoxicated while posting. On a couple of those occassions he apparently failed to realize that he had not logged into TTI via his normal proxy site but had, instead, logged in directly. That left a real IP trace here - an IP trace that lead back to an original member of the community who was here long before there was a TTO. It's unlikely that we will ever learn who that member was because of the TOS agreement at the time that Boomer originally registered before becoming TTO. I can't blame the owners here for not wanting to get sued for breach of contract and/or violation of privacy.

 
I must confess that I also misunderstood. Like Darby, I assumed that you meant altered by someone after Titor stopped posting. And you are probably right, Ren. He was being very careful to phrase everything correctly. And that may aslo explain why his posts contained so few gramatical errors. Very good point.

 
Gentlemen, what about the fact that John Titor may have had intentional spelling and grammar errors placed as to give us clues?
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John,
If you believe that have at it. Do the analysis and post the results. For me, 11 years later, sounds like far too much work. We did the analysis of his concordance many years ago. The concordance included every word Titor used in his posts here and on Post-2-Post, even misspelled words.

 
John,If you believe that have at it. Do the analysis and post the results. For me, 11 years later, sounds like far too much work. We did the analysis of his concordance many years ago. The concordance included every word Titor used in his posts here and on Post-2-Post, even misspelled words.
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Darby, what about that comment "I am a Christian Agnostic"? I'm focusing on that now. I'm reading about John's religious beliefs and it seems he is saying one thing but meaning another.

 
"On a couple of those occassions he apparently failed to realize that he had not logged into TTI via his normal proxy site but had, instead, logged in directly. That left a real IP trace here - an IP trace that lead back to an original member of the community who was here long before there was a TTO."

I always knew he'd been someone else before being John Titor and I also have the weird tingling sensation that he was, for a time, someone else after the John Titor TTO incidents.

This information is really interesting for it confirms my suspicions. After all, we all know that the only real time traveler in this thread was Chronohistorian :) :)

 
After all, we all know that the only real time traveler in this thread was Chronohistorian :) :)
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Oh my, can't forget about Dave Kinky. He is most definitely a 'real' time traveler. Must be taking a sabbatical from us "dim-lit cave dwelling primitives" and cruising the timelines in his chronoship, Zodiac. o_O
On a serious note : Why is it so important to believe or not to believe whether or not John Titor (any time travel claimant, for that matter) is a real time traveler ?

Is it such that proof would confirm that time travel is achieved ? And if so, then what would be done with that confirmation by anyone here ?

or...

Would confirmation of a time traveler's claim be used to prepare for some kind of doomsday scenario, as seems to be indicated by most of, if not all, of the time traveling claimaints ?

 
Why is it so important to believe or not to believe whether or not John Titor (any time travel claimant, for that matter) is a real time traveler ?
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I can't speak for anyone else, but in my opinion it is human nature to want answers. I am constantly trying to expand my knowledge, so learning that TT is a reality would be fascinating to me.

 
There were instances, however, where he failed to be so careful. There were posts where he was obviously intoxicated while posting. On a couple of those occassions he apparently failed to realize that he had not logged into TTI via his normal proxy site but had, instead, logged in directly. That left a real IP trace here - an IP trace that lead back to an original member of the community who was here long before there was a TTO. It's unlikely that we will ever learn who that member was because of the TOS agreement at the time that Boomer originally registered before becoming TTO. I can't blame the owners here for not wanting to get sued for breach of contract and/or violation of privacy.
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So the member was using a proxy for his posts, but before that he posted here without proxy, and that same IP address was also used by another handle on TTI?
How do you know this Darby? And if you do know it, why don't you know who?

TOS agreements like many agreements online are subject to change at any time without any warning. Couldn't the TOS agreement simply be rewritten to exclude this particular member thus outing him?

And you say "owners" I thought there was only one owner, MOP, I guess I am wrong again?

 
So the member was using a proxy for his posts, but before that he posted here without proxy, and that same IP address was also used by another handle on TTI?How do you know this Darby? And if you do know it, why don't you know who?
TOS agreements like many agreements online are subject to change at any time without any warning. Couldn't the TOS agreement simply be rewritten to exclude this particular member thus outing him?

And you say "owners" I thought there was only one owner, MOP, I guess I am wrong again?
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Ren,
Don't read anything into "owner/owners". MOP is the owner and as far as I am aware, the sole owner.

Can TOS agreements be re-written on the spot? Sure. And then the site owner has everyone agree to the new rules. A TOS is an agreement between the owner and user - a contract if you will. So, no. The owner can't trap a Member into a compromising situation by luring him/her in with one TOS and when sufficient information is available unilaterally change the rules, insert a new TOS and spill the information gained under the original TOS into the public forum contrary to the original agreement. It's not as if the Titor Saga doesn't have a very good attorney at it's center.

You already know the answer to the rest of the question because we've discussed it before. If someone wants the inforrmation they can contact MOP and see if the site is for sale. If it is, buy the site, check the logs and if they still go back to 1998-1999 the information should be there. The last time anyone checked (and it was several years ago) the asking price for TTI was $25k. The new owner could then run an experiment:

Pay the $25k to buy the site

Find the data if it is still there in the logs.

Re-write the TOS.

Open up a post and publish the information on the public forum.

Wait to see if Larry Haber sues.

If he does, get an attorney and fight the suit.

Possibly obtain a pyrric victory after paying the attorney $40k-$50k.

Probably lose and pay $50k damages plus the $40k-$50k in attorney fees.

Hey, it only cost $65k-$125k to find the information but it's worth it, isn't it? This is John Titor, after all.

 
Who knows, Bruce Wayne might buy up this place.
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LOL... A fictional comic book character buys the joint, and releases the info about a fictional time traveler.
But that does raise an interesting point. What if an anonymous buyer from abroad buys the joint? Wouldn't that insulate the buyer from any kind of lawsuit?

 
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