Time Travel

Yes, and you are consistent in making the same errors. It's like a signature. But the original John Titor didn't have trouble with his grammar. And that does suggest you are an imposter.
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Agreed. Titor was extremely literate and made very few gramatical errors. I picked up on that early on. Also...Titor never would say:

And I am really John Titor, believe me...
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For me, I get time confused when using sentences since my time order is out of place to other people. In person, I talk as if everything including past and future is present but when using written grammar my time seems odd to people because I use time in the sentence from whence the order it was in the time it really is in in that sentence structure order. I still need grammar skills but my grammar is getting better. Just my input on grammar and time.

 
I still need grammar skills but my grammar is getting better. Just my input on grammar and time.
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The point here is not that Titor's grammer is more superior than any of ours, but rather his grammer (like yours Skarpz) is consistent and can therefore be used as a method to identify him, or at the least weed out the imposters.
Never mind any of that. I challenge anyone to find a quote by Titor that demonstrates that he actually cares if we believe he is a time traveler.

 
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Yes, and you are consistent in making the same errors. It's like a signature. But the original John Titor didn't have trouble with his grammar. And that does suggest you are an imposter.
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I disagree. I have been reviewing the original JT messages, in comparison to the IRC chat logs, and have made some interesting finds. First of all John Titor DOES have a grammar/spelling problem. Only posted messages were free of most of the issues. I guess that is the difference between reading, reviewing, and posting, as opposed to just typing in IRC. Unless those IRC logs I've seen are not confirmed to be from the same supposed "John Titor"

 
I am wondering if it is a valid comparison between an instant chat and a post. Did you find any other grammer issues in his posts?
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Nope, the public posts were thoroughly scrubbed. Meaning they were shined to a polish, someone went through, fixed mistakes, spelling, grammar, then posted. Highly suspicious. In fact none of the errors committed during the IRC chat could be identified in ANY OTHER POST that the supposed John Titor made...
I've been busy but I'll be back around soon if anyone cares.

 
someone went through, fixed mistakes, spelling, grammar, then posted.
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Let me make sure I have this right. Are you saying that Titor's posts were altered by someone after he left? If you are aware of evidence to prove that, it would go a long way in exposing a cover-up and effectively nullify any proclamation of a hoax. The question would then be, what else has been covered up? Are you able to describe how you determined this?

 
and effectively nullify any proclamation of a hoax.
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Correcting someones grammar is one thing. But I think it will take a lot more than that to nullify the proclaimed hoax. And I wouldn't even consider it a proclaimed hoax at all. Just so we all understand, the John Titor story is a CONFIRMED hoax.

 
Perhaps I chose the wrong word. How about "offset" any hoax proclamations.

the John Titor story is a CONFIRMED hoax
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I am not sure exactly what constitutes confirmation. I know you have mentioned the physics aspect of the story which I can not debate since I'm not an expert in that area. But I would very much like to see how this was "confirmed". So far I have found nothing that I would consider confirmation, but I of course am open to any valid information there is.

 
The laser picture is not possible in our universe. There is not even a remote possibility. Just flat out IMPOSSIBLE. That picture by itself is confirmation that the John Titor story is a HOAX. But I believe we went through this already. Perhaps you might have a problem distinguishing what is real and what is not. If that's the case, then I think it's time for you to address this issue.

 
Mr Einstein, please let's not personalize this discussion. I apologize if I offended you, but my ability to distinguish what is real and what is not isn't the issue here. And I would appreciate it if you stuck to the topic and avoided personal attacks.

Yes, you have already mentioned the physics aspect of Titor and the laser argument has been discussed at length. I asked earlier what constitutes "confirmation", and it is clear from your response that our current understanding of phisics negates the possibility of time travel as described by Titor. And because of that, Titor is a hoax. Do I have that right?

Please realize that I have never impied that Titor was NOT a hoax. I am simply asking questions and trying to find answers. And please don't be offended if I continue my research despite the "impossibility" of time travel.

Also, just to clarify. I never stated that an analysis of Titor's grammer would prove anything. My only comment was that if someone has evidence that Titor's posts were altered, then this needs to be addressed.

 
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Sorry if I offended you. But it wasn't our current understanding of physics that negates the possibility of time travel. Although I'll admit that what the scientific community is promulgating is just as much of a hoax as Titor's story. I do believe time travel is possible and has been going on right under our noses all along. I wasn't calling Titor's method of time travel a hoax. Obviously he tells a good yarn concerning the method he uses. In fact if he had never submitted the laser picture, I might still favor his story. But he did submit the laser picture. And I for one don't believe black holes exist. That's part of the crap that the scientific community is promulgating.

 
Thanks for the clarification on your position of time travel in general, especially with respect to black holes. It seems I misunderstood and assumed that you meant TT was impissible, not the laser picture specifically. But it is interesting to hear that you believe TT has been happening right under our noses. Me too.

What you are saying is amazing, especially for people like me who are not a physicist like yourself. Unfortunately, the average Joe has no way to know what is true and what is crap when it comes to science. Just curious, have you ever had the opportunity to debate your position on Black Holes with anyone in the Physics community? What about publishing a paper to dispute the commonly held belief in Black Holes, not that it would do any good. I would be first in line to read what you have to say.

 
If you read anything about black holes, you will find there is a widely held belief in the scientific community that they exist. There seems to be a tremendous amount of effort to confirm their existence. In fact a lot of theories out there require their existence. And that is the crux of what is wrong in the scientific community. Theories are treated like religious beliefs. So try not to get in the way of anyone's religious belief. Oh, one more thing, I'm not a physicist. Just a regular Joe like you. But I have learned to distinguish between facts and opinions and theories. Just don't believe anything you read, and only about half of what you see. A fact is real, something you can verify. Use that bit of info and re-examine the Titor story. You wont find any facts. And that in itself should tell you it's just a bunch of bull.

 
I think we are on the same page, Einstein. And I really appreciate your taking the time to explain things so well.

You are making an excellent point. Clearly, no one has actually seen a black hole so there is no proof that they exist. And as you pointed out, if it is presented with a certain spin everyone will assume that "experts" know better. Just wondering though, if the scientific community openly admitted that black holes are only a theory and not gospel, do you think that would that help to restore their credibility somewhat?

My position on Black Holes is similar to Titor. I can't prove the legitimacy of either one, but I am open to the possibilities of each.

You wont find any facts. And that in itself should tell you it's just a bunch of bull.
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Please understand I am not trying to perpetuate any unecessary bantering, but how can the lack of facts or evidence necessarily prove something's nonexistence? In other words, is absense of evidence considered evidence of absense?

 
Please understand I am not trying to perpetuate any unecessary bantering, but how can the lack of facts or evidence necessarily prove something's nonexistence? In other words, is absense of evidence considered evidence of absense?
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Without facts, I wouldn't accept anything as being real. And I have seen evidence get promulgated as facts. So I have learned to differentiate. So to me a belief is something unsupported with facts. I don't cling to beliefs. I might have some. But I just accept that beliefs are subject to change. I guess I kind of view beliefs as being on the bench awaiting assignment.

 
Einstein some of what we are talking about is theory at this time. This forum is about theories of time travel. Now let John speak.

 
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