September 2024

Well, here is that song to play just before midnight at times like these.

http://www.savefile.com/projects/808690106

http://www.savefile.com/files/1792992

It's safe, and remember that Wall Street may need to hear it the most, along with some other cities, countries, etc.

In the midst of it all, should there not be some humor?

Just unzip and play away. Make a CD, play in the vehicle.
Play once a day at midnight or as needed during the day!

Junk Posts?
However, this Country is not fanatical but may be whimsical, however it should not be either of those!
 
I am unsure whether my list of questions on page 10 were considered a junk posting or not
because they were not answered.

Your time is really not that far ahead of ours. As John claimed to be from 2036
you claim to be from 2024.

I can think of tons of questions to ask you but it seems like all the good ones seem
to be secret. I am unsure of what you cannot share or talk about.
Compared to John he only had a few things he would not share.
Atleast we knew how his machine worked and what it looked like. I can't even get a good picture
of yours in my head because of so little info. Can you help us out and let us know what parts
of the machine or how it works that are not secret?

Maybe just tell us some interesting things about the machine or time travel itself that would be interesting and ok to share with us that we have not covered yet. Or did you just want us to ask questions about our future? Perhaps you could give us a list of things that will happen and we can discuss that.

thanks.
 
Lyndzee Grummond

1.So again what does it look like
when you time travel from two
vantage point inside(you) and
outside(a viewer) of the time
machine when it leaves and arrives.

2. Is your health effected if
you do many time jumps over the
year. I am referring mentally
and physically.

Thank again in advance. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
NASA, the name, was simply retired. However the US is still heavily involved in international space exploration. I discussed this in a previous post.
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Lyndzee,

This is a problem. You haven't even mentioned the real implications of time travel and how it directly relates to space exploration.

Please expound on the implications and how you, as director of DARPA - the holder of the time travel project, have implimented the obvious relationship between the two.
 
PaintHorse,

Nice handle, cowboy.

Since I don't know which are the 'junk' posts you refer to I will give you my perspective of what I posted. You really don't have a right to be angry with people who ask for proof.
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A good observation. A proposition offered without any real evidence is properly refuted without any real evidence. It's the responsibility of the proposer, not the receiver, to offer clear and convincing evidence of the validity of the position, especially if the position is posited as a time travel saga, if they have an important message to deliver and really want to be believed.

A real time traveler with an important message - a message that is intended to positively affect outcomes that would otherwise have a negative impact on their "present" - wouldn't spend time being taken off message quibbling about whether or not they are who or what they want people to believe them to be. This would have been part of the mission brief. It's not as if they wouldn't have had the ability to covertly read this or any other TT forum before hand and logically plan their presentation based on the information gathered by reading old posts on the same topic.

Lyndzee, just as every other wanna-be TT who has been here and elsewhere on the Net, was immediately put on the defensive by just a few simple posts and has spent the majority of his/her (we don't really now for sure) time defending the original proposition..." Greetings! I am a time traveler from 20XX."
 
Darby,

A real time traveler with an important message - a message that is intended to positively affect outcomes that would otherwise have a negative impact on their "present" - wouldn't spend time being taken off message quibbling about whether or not they are who or what they want people to believe them to be. This would have been part of the mission brief. It's not as if they wouldn't have had the ability to covertly read this or any other TT forum before hand and logically plan their presentation based on the information gathered by reading old posts on the same topic.
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Bingo. You have really hit her soft, white underbelly with this one. She has already forgone the "Titor Trick" of claiming multiple worldlines. In fact, she has locked herself into a story where she claims that her timeline and ours are one-in-the-same. She has no excuse for not knowing exactly what we would ask her. And if she tries to claim she did, then I will corner her right now with:

<font color="red"> Question: What is the next comment I am going to make to debunk you? You should already know. I do. But do you? If so, please state it here and amaze me. [/COLOR]

Heck, the beauty of this flaw in her story is that I don't even need to pull out my "old standard request"...which Darby and a few others know only too well!


RMT
 
Do you know how silly this sounds?

She has no excuse for not knowing exactly what we would ask her. And if she tries to claim she did, then I will corner her right now with:
Question: What is the next comment I am going to make to debunk you? You should already know. I do. But do you? If so, please state it here and amaze me.
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I honestly in my heart think you have no basic understanding of time travel at all.
I hope you are just joking around and not serious with your statement.
 
I'm sorry. I meant the Montauk project. Wasn't it a failure? Honestly, I was hoping to glean a little more information. I do not believe that global warming is manmade and you are stating that due to efforts to prevent the warming that it slowed down? There must be a reason for all of those smoldering volcanoes!

Okay, can you reveal anything about black holes?
 
Do you know how silly this sounds?
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Not even half as silly as some of the things you say. (Like your following statement where you imply you have a basic understanding of time travel "rules". Are you going to quote from the Book of Titor, or maybe the Book of H.G. Wells?).

I honestly in my heart think you have no basic understanding of time travel at all.
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Well of course you are an expert because you knew John Titor! Everything he told us must be gospel, right? My statement is based on the premise of TT as Lyndzee, herself, laid it out. Not any "rules" you think may be true.

Honestly in my own heart, I really don't care much about what you think, Pamela. I am thesis, you are antithesis, and I am perfectly OK with that. You enjoy the fantasy aspect of time travel, and I prefer to stay more grounded in logical argument and the physics as we know it.

RMT
 
I am new here so don't want to be in the middle of anything ongoing, but what Pamela is saying makes sense to me. If this is Lyndzee's first time here, then these posts we are all making were not in her time when she left it. We are, in essence, re-writing this time since she has shown up here and has engaged us in her saga. The 'big picture' is going on about us like it always did because we have no real influence on it with our positions in the world. The changes are being made at our personal level by the interaction. That is why we can expect her to tell us things like the AIG bail out because our little selves won't influence changing that. She can't, however, tell us what we will type next because we are in a "do-over" with her as part of it.

I have no idea if this makes sense or not. Not a rocket scientist or brain surgeon, just pretty good with cause and effect...I think /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif

PaintHorse
 
I am new here so don't want to be in the middle of anything ongoing, but what Pamela is saying makes sense to me. If this is Lyndzee's first time here, then these posts we are all making were not in her time when she left it. We are, in essence, re-writing this time since she has shown up here and has engaged us in her saga. The 'big picture' is going on about us like it always did because we have no real influence on it with our positions in the world. The changes are being made at our personal level by the interaction. That is why we can expect her to tell us things like the AIG bail out because our little selves won't influence changing that. She can't, however, tell us what we will type next because we are in a "do-over" with her as part of it.
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Again: You are basing this on how you think time works. Where you came to this understanding is immaterial to what Lyndzee claimed in a prior post. If you go back and read her posts, she told us there is a 0% divergence from our timeline and hers. Zero is zero where I come from. By her own definition (zero divergence), all of these posts (as they are now) were already available in her time, and that includes the posts to come. If they were any different whatsoever, then (by definition) the "divergence" was zero.

Please understand: I do not need ANY knowledge of how time travel (allegedly) works or events unfold. All I need is her own statements. And by her own statements, the color I am thinking of stating in my next post, she should have been able to read in her time. In fact, this very conversation we are having she should have known would have come to pass, especially if her mission parameters were to interact with this board, during our time. She painted herself into a corner with the statement of zero divergence. That is not my problem. It is hers.

RMT
 
Rainman,
Wouldn't that apply only if she is creating a loop? If she comes back here, changes the single timeline by her posting here, and say one of the letter groups finds her and detains her for questioning...they find the 27 year old her as a result which changes her future. The posts are there in the future but she, and maybe the time travel program are not. Wouldn't it be like breaking a branch from a tree and the one that grows in it's place looks similar but is not exactly the same? The 0 divergence only makes a difference to the point she arrived, then her influence helps re-write what happens from then on, thus she can't tell us those specifics.

There are so many different theories I am just trying to figure out how they would each work. I would like to think the single timeline theory is the real one so that we would have a chance of going back and making things better. The divergence theory kind of make that pointless. However, if we get caught in a loop in the single line there might not be much point to that either.

Perhaps Lyndzee could explain how it works for her.
 
I can tell you that Washington Mutual does merge with another major financial institution very soon if that helps. Adding to that, I have already mentinoed a number of events that occur in the near furture.
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Hell even I told people to get there money out of WaMu two weeks ago....

But in fact the company is just being auctioned off now Lyn.

In that case it just may cease to exist altogether...

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Lyn-can you explain to me why you continue to post?

I mean seriously--- your mission is well "whatever"-- we don't care AND it wasn't even important to the story.

Why didn't you just go on AIM ---It is obvious you are just lonely----

If I sound a little cruel--- Please consider the fact there is absolutely nothing of value in this entire thread---

You could have just as easily brought back with you codes into any security establishment and gotten any information you want---this information isn't destroyed.

So please tell me---where are you collecting your "information" about the current election?

No wait-- don't answer that please....




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Lyndzee,

If you do not convince anyone then whats the point of posting in these forums? Your visit will here will be quickly forgotten or remembered as a joke.

You mentioned ealier that the changes that I named are impossible in such short amount of time. Four years, tops? (Let me remind you that the collapse began a long, long time ago)

It took around seven years for the Roman Empire to collapse, and it all started with the collapse of the economy. Sound familar?

There is just one example for you.

Experts are already discussing the immenent collapse of the U.S. government. It hasn´t been discussed on a public medium yet but the Federal Reserve Bank is insolvent.
 
The Standard Questionare

Pam:

Next Time we will use The Standard Questionare:

Grretings dear Timetraveler:

Please state the motive of your visit to this Timeline________________

Please state the nature of your Time Travel Dispositive_____________

Please state the location of your Timeline [Global, Hemisphere, Country, etc.]____________

Please give the approximate time of your impending departure [Greenwich GMT]_____________

Please give the approximate casualty count if known_________ from your Timeline Change

Please give a reference as to where your Timeline reference to this Timeline information from [Ouija, Insider, Alien, God, God's Messenger]____________

Have a nice day posting on TTI

:oops:
 
PeterPanPardox, RainmanTime, Pamela, Darby, PaintHorse,

RainmanTime states that some of you MUST be wrong because you are basing your arguements on YOUR understanding of timetravel. What does that even mean? Wouldn't the same go for RainmanTime? Aren't you yourself basing your arguments on YOUR understanding of time travel. Unfortunately I cannot tell you "what the very next thing you say" is. How would I know that? This is our first visit to this time and therefore this conversation's existence is being created post by post and word by word.

PeterPanParadox says that if I fail to convince anyone then my visit will be quickly forgotten and remembered as a joke. Do I have a problem with that? No. If what it takes to convince doubters is simply the passage of time and the eventual developments in the world that I have mentioned, then that is fine with me. Will my comments be seen as a joke when the ITI is formed and you meet the first, second, third and subsequent time travelers? I think not. Once again, our goal here is not to use this amazing technology to return to a previous time and try our best to convince people in a forum of the future. Wouldn't that be a tad ridiculous?

Finally, I find it humurous that those of you who don't get the doomsday, end of the world, broken up USA, chaos around the world, nuclear war, etc. answer or verification that you are hoping for are so quick to doubt me. Is it so hard to believe that the future is actually a pretty stable place? I'm sorry that I cannot tell you that the future of the world is dark and dreary, but that shouldn't be a reason to doubt me just because you feel that the future should and will be in a certain standing.

L. Grummond
 
Referring to my last post, I meant to state that I DON'T believe global warming is manmade, although I'm sure carbon emissions do put more carbon in the atmosphere. However, I do not believe that is the reason for smoldering volcanoes and the increase in melting icecaps. The earth's temperature has increased by two degrees, I believe.
 
I detect a bit of defensiveness on your part, Lindzee. The members here want clarification for questions they've asked and are only trying to validate your claim that you are a TT. Do you care to elaborate or explain furthur your claim? So far, I've learned nothing concerning black holes or knowledge that comes from the LHC. If your purpose for being here is to inform, then why the defensiveness? You did expect skepticism, did you not?
 
PaintHorse,

I am new here so don't want to be in the middle of anything ongoing, but what Pamela is saying makes sense to me. If this is Lyndzee's first time here, then these posts we are all making were not in her time when she left it.
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In the time travel scenario posed by Lyndzee there is no first time here.

S/he posed the story in terms of the Standard Model of quantum mechanics and not the Everett-Wheeler model. One world - no multiverse - the wave form collapses to one reality with the other probabilities disappearing unfulfilled. It's precisely the opposite scenario as posed by Titor. Pamela just doesn't see it.

Two-way time travel is causal order violation by definition. The "cause" does not necessarily have to precede the "effect". To say that this is his/her first visit is a nonsense statement in that scenario because it assumes a well defined causal ordering of events.
 
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