Present time-travellers - a thread for you!

[TimeNot_0]

Well, perhaps one of yous will think to ask this person to come over to this forum. The person I think stated that a website will be up soon to help you with whatever this is (?)
The thread:

Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message872590/pg1
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I certainly am not telling him or her what to do or where to be.

 

[dimaggio]

Why don't people like him first make a website and THEN give the link?
Always we have to WAIT until a website or whatever is coming.
And then he doesn't provide one iota of evidence to support what he is saying about his universe.
Every moron can say he's from a different universe where there are different laws of phyics or whatever.
The point it broils down to in the end is: HOW did he get into our universe?
And if he can't show us evidence for that, then it's just the same like all the time traveller hoaxes, just that this time somebody thought it would be "fresh" to use an alternate universe instead.

Sorry that I'm this sceptical, but what I've read over at that other forum was enough already.
I didn't see any revolutionary difference. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[TimeNot_0]

Ya, here goes this thread over there. I think if you read further, that the person who started up that thread still is answering questions.

Another poster gave what the term is according to this worldline, I guess.
Well, whether he/she is from 2520 is just another subjective perception, of course, that is what this person is talking about anyway - and that it is I guess done mentally, however that is done.

I suppose though that it is only from what I gather - for entertainment purposes.

 

[dimaggio]

Yeah, mental time travel. You know what's very convenient about that?
That you can't prove it and thus don't need to get technical in your explanations.
Otherwise it could be scientifically debunked.
Very convenient indeed.
But still, it should be very easy to prove you're from the future. No bla bla, talking around stuff, but just providing water-proof evidence.
That should be no problem for a time traveller, no matter how he travels.
If somebody who claims to be one doesn't give this proof immediately, but still persists that he is a time traveller, then he simply is a fraud.

 

[KerrTexas]

Seems that some folks have been reading material based in Alchemy/Hermetics and throwing the principles into they're claims.

And a claim this thread seems to be about...thus to it's proper location it has been placed.

 

[aerohead]

But still, it should be very easy to prove you're from the future. No bla bla, talking around stuff, but just providing water-proof evidence.

How specific does one need to be in order to "prove" they're a time traveler? I mean, can it be something like, "within 2-3 days a missile will be launched in eastern europe" or does it have to be more specific like "at 11:34PM GMT on 9/3/9 russia will launch a missile at georgia and start a conflict"? If they're recalling from memory then they might not have all the details but remember in a general sense what happened.

 

[dimaggio]

It would have to be very specific, if they really want to prove it.

For example we could prepare a set of random numbers and then tell him that we're ready.
Then we say we'll post these numbers a day from now.
If he then is able to post this numbers BEFORE we post them, the probability that he's a time traveller who took the numbers from our future post would raise enormous.
This could easily be repeated to further decimate every doubt.
And with random numbers I'm talking about, like, maybe a sheet full of numbers.
The chances that a hoaxer could GUESS them all are, I guess, astronomically low.

EDIT: The reason why saying something about "2 rockets are being launched here, etc." is not enough is because there's always the chance somebody could make an educated guess by extrapolation, by special expertise of a region, or whatever.
If it's about something that's not out of the realm of lucky guessing then it shouldn't be considered.
And why should it be when you can use soemthing he can't possibly guess?

It's like encrypting something with a very long randomized key and letting him brute force it (for several decades and millions over millions of wrong guesses).

 

[aerohead]

The problem with this is that it reduces a time traveler to a guinea pig for meaningless experiments which do nothing more than feed your curiousity and ego. In the end, it would be a mistake to admit to being a time traveler because of this alone. Of course, if you travel far enough, the accent always gives you away, even in your own locale. Thankfully, it is often mistaken for another country and you just go along with it.

 

[Twighlight]

How specific does one need to be in order to "prove" they're a time traveler?

Well, first off I would say it is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to 'prove'....solely via an internet forum....that they are a time traveller. Certainly not proof in any scientific sense.

Even a series of uncanny and correct predictions would not prove time travel.

In fact, when it comes to bona fide 'proof'.....i think nothing short of a flesh and blood time traveller, DNA tested to confirm his parentage, fingerprint tested to confirm no current record exists, blood tested to confirm levels of various isotopes that one would expect to fall over the next decades, etc, etc, etc.

Oh....and a time machine ! Demonstrated live on CNN.

 

[aerohead]

Well, first off I would say it is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to 'prove'....solely via an internet forum....that they are a time traveller. Certainly not proof in any scientific sense.

I find this interesting. You admit that there is no way to prove it online, so why bother to "debunk" others? If it's impossible to prove, then you'll always find some way to satisfy yourself with a disproof.

Even a series of uncanny and correct predictions would not prove time travel.

Predictions are for psychics. Some like a little more interaction.

In fact, when it comes to bona fide 'proof'.....i think nothing short of a flesh and blood time traveller, DNA tested to confirm his parentage, fingerprint tested to confirm no current record exists, blood tested to confirm levels of various isotopes that one would expect to fall over the next decades, etc, etc, etc.

How accurate is current DNA testing? I doubt it's that accurate. There are countless people with no current fingerprint record, and they're not time travelers. What isotopes would you seek? I don't think a living person would have hugely different levels of any isotopes unless they traveled a vast distance in time. Carbon dating is used for dead subjects.

Oh....and a time machine ! Demonstrated live on CNN.

Followed by military forces sent to seize the machine to serve the whims of any tyrant. Exposing oneself as a time traveler in a credible sense is the worst thing one could do.

 

[dimaggio]

Exposing oneself as a time traveler in a credible sense is the worst thing one could do.

And yet a multitude of them seem to keep coming to forums.
Man, we really are blessed with so many travellers, and almost every single one has had a different means of travel.

 

[aerohead]

Coming to a forum isn't necessarily a bad thing. Just include some falsifiable information so nobody influential will believe you. Drinking some alcohol should help. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Twighlight]

I find this interesting. You admit that there is no way to prove it online, so why bother to "debunk" others? If it's impossible to prove, then you'll always find some way to satisfy yourself with a disproof.

Whether people are able to 'prove' their claims is really not my problem. I'm not the one standing up and shouting ' Hey - I am from 2275 ! '. If people insist on making such claims.....then I'm quite happy for the grouse shooting season to begin. The average grouse is probably smarter than most of the claimants here.

 

[RainmanTime]

I find this interesting. You admit that there is no way to prove it online, so why bother to "debunk" others? If it's impossible to prove, then you'll always find some way to satisfy yourself with a disproof.

Simple. Popper Falsification should explain why one is more valuable than the other. Right? Just because something is not eminently proveable does not make it un-falsifiable.

RMT

 

[pamela]

Well, first off I would say it is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to 'prove'....solely via an internet forum....that they are a time traveller. Certainly not proof in any scientific sense.

Even a series of uncanny and correct predictions would not prove time travel.

Why do you keep asking them to take your test then?
If it doesn't prove anything why should they bother taking it?
I think you want proof so badly nothing short of a trip in the machine would
convince you and even then you would probably say he must have tricked you somehow. LOL /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I have to say it would be interesting to see how you would respond to a real time traveler.
But I do not think you will ever get the proof you seek only through the internet he would
actually have to come to your house personally and give you a ride.

 

[TimeNot_0]

Here is the website. A person had to look (search) on what he stated to look it up. He did not give a link.

http://www.ecsys.org/

Of course I think according to me, that there was something similiar years ago, without all the rest of it (of course) as being evolved.

Except, and there is always an exception, especially in this area, because still the old habit and again it is an old habit out of others - think the person thinking that way is on some kind of drug trip or something.

I guess they never will learn deep relaxation and self-hypnosis, always stating the obvious - why is it needed?

Why is perception and thinking ever needed?

John Wheeler did not come up with his ideas on not thinking. But then they continue that you do not have a degree so it is not important what you think.

Neither do most of them, and still they think that what they think is more important.

When does a Congress become senile?

When all they can do is the same old habits that do not require really any new thoughts, but can write 1000's of pages on any of it, none which really does anything except perhaps make more people aware of how really stupid they really can be with the perspective which they hold so dear and with the perception of how they lead.

(Have they really ever led?)

Only according to them.

I don't claim such things. Simply put, I am not that kind of time traveller.

But get along, for to make money (without having money and only going deeper into the abyss of debt), they will claim you have to conform to their way of thinking.

My, really!
Probably computers will have more intelligence soon, and soon some humans will still claim like they do.

Well, you got a little of Jihad Jane for a brief while. Unless you were here in the what - '60's or early '70's you only got a little glimpse of what happened back then.

So if that thread is actually a different way of thinking - I think that it has been done before but without all the math and other added features on that website.

Pretty soon though, and all who do should be in some alternate universe, except I just don't think that I need to go there. It is not so beyond as not all that needed.
Maybe he will get more interesting, but at some point....................I expect that probably it will not. And that is probabilities.

 

[aerohead]

Why do you keep asking them to take your test then?
If it doesn't prove anything why should they bother taking it?
I think you want proof so badly nothing short of a trip in the machine would
convince you and even then you would probably say he must have tricked you somehow. LOL
I have to say it would be interesting to see how you would respond to a real time traveler.
But I do not think you will ever get the proof you seek only through the internet he would
actually have to come to your house personally and give you a ride.

The funny thing is that time travelers from the future will probably have already read this and decided not to waste time on such things. :D And if you're clever enough to discover time travel, then you're clever enough to not get caught with it.

 

[Twighlight]

Why do you keep asking them to take your test then?
If it doesn't prove anything why should they bother taking it?
I think you want proof so badly nothing short of a trip in the machine would
convince you and even then you would probably say he must have tricked you somehow. LOL
I have to say it would be interesting to see how you would respond to a real time traveler.
But I do not think you will ever get the proof you seek only through the internet he would
actually have to come to your house personally and give you a ride.

I ask them to take the test precisely because it is the minimum level of action I would expect before I even BEGIN to take any of their drivel seriously. Notice how not one person has even attempted..let alone passed.

A better question would be.......why do you consistently engage 'time travellers' in their BS without even the slightest evidence that they ARE actually time travellers ???

 

[pamela]

A better question would be.......why do you consistently engage 'time travellers' in their BS without even the slightest evidence that they ARE actually time travellers ???

You don't have to believe a person to ask them questions. If I am interested in what they are saying I will ask a question. Sometimes people are very creative and smart and it is just interesting to me to see what they come up with. Maybe the only one who takes it so seriously is you. You are too much on "wheres the proof." and miss out on the fun and conversation.

This is a time travel web site not a science web site. come on. Infact there is a strictly science section below. I don't need proof to talk to someone because I am well aware of the fact that none
can be given on the internet so it is a waste of time to go that direction. If we demanded proof before someone can talk...no one would talk..because proof can not be given ..this site then would be a boring dead zone. Perhaps time travelers know that no proof can be given and when you present the test they say "Oh well." and leave.

Loosen up a little. You are NOT going to get proof.
I don't expect people to take a test before I will talk to them. However, they DO have to be interesting. lol

 

[Twighlight]

This is a time travel web site not a science web site. come on. Infact there is a strictly science section below.

Er..no. This particular section is for people who are actually claiming that they ARE genuine bona fide time travellers. There is a seperate 'fiction' section below for those who aren't.

Sometimes people are very creative and smart

Well, I guess that's a whole new polite term for 'liar'. I'll have to remember....Richard Nixon was creative and smart.

You are too much on "wheres the proof." and miss out on the fun and conversation.

Hmm. I just don't think I have ever found engaging with a con artist 'fun'. Much more fun to expose them for what they are.

Perhaps time travelers know that no proof can be given and when you present the test they say "Oh well." and leave.

Aww...did little old me scare them off ? LOL, somehow I just don't see some research team spending billions on creating a time machine....only for their first test pilot to go running home with his tail between his legs just because some guy in 2009 said 'Booo'.

I don't expect people to take a test before I will talk to them. However, they DO have to be interesting.

If a person is not really a time traveller...then their entire story is made up. What's to discuss ?? If a person said ' Here is what I imagine it might be like'...that is one thing, and I'd gladly discuss. But if a person says ' I AM a time traveller'....why would I want to discuss their not very good attempts to convince me that Obama is the Antichrist....or whatever else they've halucinated while on magic mushroom ?