One way to spot hoaxes

I define a cyborg to be an individual that is part machine and part human. I suppose that one with a pace maker would be a cyborg on a smaller scale. The difference between such an individual and one in the near future is fairly vast.
The technology is advancing tremendously and opening doors will seem like childs play. In several sites regarding bio-chips, they are already discussing programmable chips.
Why imprison a criminal when you can alter his behavior with an implant as ordered by the courts.
As far as who is watching who...

Electronic Telegraph (Oct. 6, 1998), Italian dignitaries, who fear kidnapping are having biochips implanted in their bodies so authorities can locate them if kidnapped. Originally designed by Israeli experts, Gen-Etics is launching the "Sky-Eye" chips in Milan, Italy. The Times of London, describes "Sky-Eye" as a low-power chip that utilizes electrical energy from the human body. Gen-Etics claims, 45 of the world's richest are carrying "Sky-Eyes". The chip is inserted under an anesthetic and even the implantee doesn't know where it's located. Also, the chip is only 4 mm by 4 mm, making it hard to detect via x-rays.

Popular Science, July 1995 p. 74 - E-Money

"If we had our way, we’d implant a chip behind everyone’s ear in the maternity ward," says Ronald Kane, a vice president of Cubic Corp.’s automatic revenue collection group. Cubic is the leading maker of smart card systems for mass transit systems, highway tolls, parking, and other applications and one of a number of companies and government agencies pushing the frontier of smart chips — the money of the future. (E-Money (Popular Science, July 1995 p. 74)

Popular Mechanics, "A Century of Technology", January 2000, p. 63
However, if technology follows its current trends, this may all be moot. Becoming ever more compact and powerful, how long before hardware as we know it disappears completely from sight, replaced by nanotechnology and bioimplants that plug directly into body and brain?

PC Magazine, June 22, 1999, pp.142, 145

Regardless of whether you like it or even know it, you have already established a digital identity. That identity is a constantly growing and shifting amalgam of your personal information, stored in the databases of state and municipal offices, hospitals and medical centers, insurance companies, stores, banks, and more federal agencies than we can imagine. That shifting, inchoate digital identity is destined to become much more "real." It will be sharply defined because you will construct and control your own digital persona, carrying it with you, embedded in a microchip, at all times.

The growing use of smart cards, especially outside the U.S., paves the way for their acceptance as standard security devices. A smart card, whether in conjunction with passwords or biometric data, can help protect your digital identity by letting you carry that identity embedded in the chip on your own card, rather than have to store the identifying information in databases scattered across or linked via the Internet. In the near future, those chips will be embedded in our bodies.

As they say..like it or not..its coming...
 
Why imprison a criminal when you can alter his behavior with an implant as ordered by the courts.
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We'd need to understand how the brain works before we could do that. This is the exact same thing that was said about drugs such as Halcyon back in the 50s. More recently about Prozac and it's ilk.

Italian dignitaries, who fear kidnapping are having biochips implanted in their bodies so authorities can locate them if kidnapped.
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Voluntarily. This is exactly the same thing they have done to dogs so that they can be located if stolen.

"If we had our way, we’d implant a chip behind everyone’s ear in the maternity ward," says Ronald Kane, a vice president of Cubic Corp.’s automatic revenue collection group.
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But they don't have their way. There would ahve to be one hell of a change in attitudes before groups like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International let this kind of thing happen. Let alone the general public going along with it.

However, if technology follows its current trends, this may all be moot. Becoming ever more compact and powerful, how long before hardware as we know it disappears completely from sight, replaced by nanotechnology and bioimplants that plug directly into body and brain?
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And by the year 1980, we'll have robots doing the little lady's chores which she maybe takes a hovercar to the spaceport and takes a quick trip to the moon.

Sorry, but this strikes me as baseless "what if?" writing. It's pure speculation. Extrapolated from existing trends, maybe, but that just makes it more factual science-fiction. In the 50s, it was trips to the moon and robots. Today it's biotechnology. About 10-15 years ago it was Virtual Reality...

It will be sharply defined because you will construct and control your own digital persona, carrying it with you, embedded in a microchip, at all times.

The growing use of smart cards, especially outside the U.S., paves the way for their acceptance as standard security devices.
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There's a huge outcry about this in the UK at the moment. Well, it's more of a murrmur, but it's not popular.

The issue isn't privacy, it's fraud. The fact that information about you is stored electronically doesn't make it harder to forge. Just because the card may have information about you on it, it doesn't mean that the information is accurate, or even describes you.

Besides, I ask again, what would the advantage be for people to watch everybody all of the time? You get way too much information to be even slightly useful. And assume that the government does know everything there is to know about Fred Harbinger of 32 Acacia Avenue, right down to what he usually has for breakfast. So what? What are they going to do wiht that information? Who is going to sit down and pull up his file? And for what reason? You didn't answer as to why people would do this.

There are more than 6 billion people in the world. That's a hell of a lot of people to keep close checks on. Having data stored on chips won't make any difference to that. Sure, if you break the law, or act in a way that's very suspicious then they can do a background check on you. But...what do you think the police do at the moment?

They might have access to a bit more information faster. Maybe then Ian Huntley wouldn't have been employed at a school that afforded him the oppourtunity to rape and kill two 10 year old girls because the system of background checks wasn't sufficient. I don't see the difference that it'd make to Fred.

Besides, didn't I hear all the same things when Credit Cards and Cashpoints came on the scene? And laser scanners at checkouts. Forgive me if I say that, without any evidence to support a theory of oppression and mind-control, it simply seems like the same paranoia that accompanies any new technological advancement.

[Edited to add]My point about cyborgs is simply that "cyborg" is a loaded term with many connotations. If you step back a bit and consider that we have people with artificial hips, hearing aids, pacemakers...there are people in Iron lungs, on kidney machines...there are all sorts of cyborgs in day to day life. I don't really see the problem.
 
trollface, why cant you just post youre point of view or opinions without demeaning someone else's views?

having a civil conversation with you must be rough.
 
I didn't realise I had demeaned anything particularly. If I have offended OvrLrd in any way, then he has my sincerest apologies.

But is this a statement coming from someone I've seen post "haha
being a false prophet is a dangerous game my friend.

They'll see you soon" at least twice. How is laughing at someone not demeaning them?
 
I dont feel insulted in any way...the purpose of debate is to evaluate all information and decide what seems valid, and what doesn't.
I know without people such as Trollface, it would be easy to become a victim of one's own delusions. When I first began to play chess, I played against someone far greater than myself, but with each game played, the gap narrowed until we were equals.

I am still a newbie, so my debating skills havent been honed to a fine blade such as Trollfaces...but just give it time my friend...and please do not change in any way.




Ovr
 
>>Besides, I ask again, what would the advantage be for people to watch everybody all of the time?<<

That is a generalization also...I know that people wont be watching everybody all the time. It is those who wish to use the technology for destructive purposes. A jet-liner is a fast, effective mode of transportation to date. People dont make a habit of flying them into buildings, but the few who do, have a large impact on the rest of us.

Alot of good may come from the advancement of the bio-technology arenas..but the developments that are acheived can have very bad consequences. In the past, a nut needed an army to bring his insanity to others, today, a nut just needs a machine gun, or a vial of a virus, to impact the rest of us with his insanity.

I was discussing the AIDS virus with a friend whom is active in the Bio-Genetics field, and he just about fell off his chair laughing when I asked about the "Green Monkeys". He never said what was so funny, but I felt that the "Green Monkeys" story is not as valid as the government would make us believe.
 
i laugh at the situation my friend, not the person
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If you say so. If I may say, though, it does come accross as very mocking.

I certainly haven't laughed at anyone.

OvrLrd, thanks for not taking offence at my posts, as I certainly didn't intend any. And, don't worry, I'm not about to change any time soon.

You've kind of made my point for me with your last post. They don't have a reason to watch you now, so they don't. When they have a reason to watch people (such as the possibility of them selling nuclear secrets to those they shouldn't be), then they do. I don't see why new technology should change this. And I know you're not suggesting it's a bad idea to watch anyone at all. I mean, think of the terrorist cells that have been broken up through surveillence, for example. Watching the average Joe all the time is impractical and pointless.

AlienChild, why close the thread? I do think that I have scared ace off, but we don't know that for a fact. Besides, I'm enjoying the conversation that's developed.
 
To continue our discussion on the implications of the bio-chip technology, I agree with you regarding the idea of any agency watching everybody. An article that I read recently brought this subject to the fore-front of my thoughts. The article told of a man that recieved a notice in the mail demanding he pay $400.00 for speeding in a rented automobile. This was not a police action, but a violation of a contract signed by the man.

The man found out that the vehicle was equipped with a GPS system that recorded his driving. An isolated incident, agreed, but points out the hazards of this technology. No particular agency is going to be or have the resources to watch everybody. As a combined force, however, in essence everybody will be watched.

The law enforcement agencies are not the ones to be concerned about, it is those that are immature or greedy that will twist the bio-chip technology into something that removes individual freedoms. As an example, I live in an area with a Home Owners Association. I was cleaning out my garage and pulled a chair out onto the driveway. Needing to take a quick break, I closed the garage door and went inside for about 5 minutes. Two days later I got a notice from the management company demanding I pay a fine for violating the regulations of the community by putting furniture out in front of my house. How did they know the chair was there? A rat!

There are people in this neighborhood with nothing better to do then watch what other people are doing. The chair was in the driveway for less than 10 minutes, but long enough for the "Rat" to write a letter to the management company. These "Rats" are imposing their ideals of what our homes and properties should look like. This is the hazard of any technology that allows "Rats" to watch other people. Our community is a nice place to live, except for the "Rats"! These "Rats" are in every community and workplace. It is those "Rats" that I fear will latch onto any GPS tracking systems and the bio-chip technology to increase their abilities at "Ratting".
 
Poster: ace490
Subject: Re: One way to spot hoaxes

I have to correct an earlier mistake I made. It seems I had TL6 confused with this one. Bush does win this election narrowly, but no controversy. Powell does win 2008. TL6 almost parallels TL4 because the time split between TL4 and TL6 was only a few years back.
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I am a skeptic to much of this talk. Although there has recently been a confirmation of a Bush win in this election that has been predicted by one of you. I would like to believe you are a time traveler come from the future. Right now you don't have to make any predictions for me. Just answer these questions. Do you believe in the Bible? Do you believe in the Bible Codes? What about the prophecies for our future of the Ancients who wrote them in the Bible? Do you believe in them? I will ask my questions concerning the future later. I also will offer some insight into something a government official friend of mine said that you must know of if you truly are who you say you are. He said it's a certainty America will go to war again. Be aware I will be asking very soon about that war he warned our group of and I will ask you to confirm some things about it for me. So have your history books ready!
 
hey freelight....sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I can tell you for certain I believe in God. However, there is just as much debate over the Bible in my time as in yours. One thing I always keep in mind is that it is a history book, a collection of many different stories written by different authors over many years. And just as any history book can be biased. Secondly, you must consider that there were many other stories left out of the compilation that became the Holy Bible. Some of which were destroyed never to be heard by human ears again. Some of which to this day(your time), are still held in a vault in the vatican. The religious debate is even the center of a big debate within the SFU. Many have been sent back to observer some of the religious events that we were able to pinpoint the time and location of. There are those within the SFU that would like for us to "meddle" with some of those events, for instance cause a new TL where Jesus was not crucified, however the controlling powers within see that as something not to mess with. As far as Bible Codes....No, I mean if the Bible were a book written from beginning to end and handed down by a higher power, then maybe it could have hidden meanings buried as a certain pattern of letters throughout. But when you consider that even the order of the books, not to mention the books that appear were all decided on by humans, then the chances of hidden codes are unlikely, unless done so by them.
 
I'm so glad you wrote. Time travel intersts me a great deal. Can you answer this question? Can we go back in our own time line to change something--the outcome, relive it so to speak and change it to what you would like it to be? Can we know our own futures, do you know?

I'd often thought I'd like to go back to the ancient past and see for myself what it was like in Rome or Greece. I'd also like to write something about it, maybe a short story or book. there've been so many done though.


What do you make of our situation these days here in the US? Will we survive our political calamity that seems to be heading us down the road to bigger war?

I often thought, too, I was born in the wrong time. Is that possible?

I have so many questions. I hope you can answer some of them.
 
Very convincing but I\'m still a bit skeptical

Hey ace/sam(and everyone else)!

I have always had a certain interest pertaining to the concept of time travel but have never thought about discussing it with other people because it seemed, well, pretty far-fetched, until about a year ago.

ace:
I'm still a bit skeptical about your story(who you are, and when you're from, etc.). In your last post you said "hey freelight....sorry it took me so long to get back to you.", if you're a time traveler why didn't you answer freelight on the date that he posted his message/question wich was on 11/03/04. If everything you said is true than I suppose you're here on some mission and don't have the liberty to travel back and forth through time as you please, only when authorized. Correct?

Setting this matter aside, since the summer of 2003(in this timeline as you put it, TL4), I've been experiencing a certain phenomenon known as ESP(extrasensory perception). Just about every day I have a vision of something (wether it be just an image or an actual event)in my mind, and they all come true... These visions usually happen when I'm not thinking about anything, usually when I'm out for a walk or when I go jogging. Images of houses or cars or even people just pop into my mind and sooner or later I actually see them in real life!! Ocasionally a car accident or a fire will pop into my mind and within a week or 2 I actually witness these events. At the beginning I was scared out of my mind but eventually I became acustomed to these "powers". I've tried to figure out where these events take place in order to prevent them from happenning, but I was either too late or in the wrong place at the wrong time...

My question to you(or anyone else that can answer it): Is it possible for our subconscious(or some other part of our mind) to travel through time even if its just for an instance?
Most people think of traveling through using some sort electromagnetic machine, I'm trying to figure out if its possible to use our mind as some sort of "time machine".

Thanks for taking the time to read this and if anyone else has any answer, sugestion or idea about what this might be please post it. I'll be checking this thread daily for any new ideas.
 
Send me a message sometime, I have much to talk about involving time travel and the future. If you are interested, I do balieve that this website holds inboxes for this sort of thing.

Brian~
 
Ace are you still around? If so...

When is the PS3 and the Xbox 2 released? Are they the last Playstations and Xboxs?
What big event will occur on 2005?
When is the time machine invented?
Are there flying cars in this timeline?
When will computers and electronic stuff "self-power"?
When we will reach mars?
When we will be able to live in the moon?
Does time traveling ever become public?
What would you consider to be the most impressive invention?

That is all, lots of questions I know and I am sorry. Just interested /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif. Thanks for your time, sorry to have soooo many questions.

Cheers and Happy new year everyone,
Yeyeman9
 
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