New John Titor Interpretation

The Oracle of Delphi made ambivalet predictions of the sort:
YOU WILL RETURN FROM BATTLE NOT DEFEATED

Now, is it "You will return from battle, not defeated", or "You will return from battle not, defeated".

Yeah... never wrong.
 
I'd agree he's an amazing writer. But as far as a 5100 fixing any modern PC, the LHC doing heavy proton experiments, and "Unix" bugs 30 years from now, those were not "researched".
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I’m glad you came down from BS to “researched”.

When I read through the posts about Titor, what I find is most people conclude Titor is a hoax, because they are not able to UNDERSTAND his theories and principles, and others out of curiosity argue that he is real. Sad thing though.

And VERY FEW who understood it are convinced that he is real or if hoax they can understand the effort he has put in it which has no use to the hoaxer himself.
One simple example to prove this is when you guys say that Titor sent faxes to Art Bell on his RETURN journey in 1998. According to his principles, once if he leaves our Worldline and travels to the past, he is on a different Worldline and the “we” there in that Worldline in 2000 will not know Titor at all because he never came to 2000 of that Worldline. Confusing? sure it is. Rarely people get it.

I tried the same thread of Y2K in Anomalies, and as I expected, no one got it!


Titor wrote:
No, I do not have a secret agenda but I have been paying a great deal of attention to your worldline. My interaction with you was not a direct mission parameter but it was a secondary mission protocol based on standing orders given to all temporal drivers.
That secondary objective is basically to gather as much information about a worldline based on a set of observable variables when we first arrive. Your worldline met those conditions. What amazes me is why no one here wonders why Y2K didn't hit them at all?
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I can say what his Secondary mission objective is.
He got the “tweaked” 5100s from 1975, which has got the old “Legacy Code” that is needed to debug and fix Y2K and then Y2K38. He traveled to 1998 and and met someone, may be Roger Bowler I don’t know for sure or sold it and informed them that he would collect the “Y2K fix” in 2000. He comes to 2000 and collects the Y2K fix and also prepares his family. He then leaves 2000 to go back to his Worldline.

His primary mission objective is to collect a “tweaked” 5100 and the secondary mission objective is to find out whether it really fixes Y2K and get the Y2K fix. With that he can easily fix Y2K38 in his Worldline. That is WHY “we” never had Y2K- “AMAZING TRUTH” if you understand it!

So obviously we will NOT have Y2K38 bug either.
 
Hercules,

Your Titor quote above, concerning his not having a secret agenda, is in direct conflict with another of his quotes on Post-2-Post ("I am From 2036").

Here's what he said there:

Posted by John Titor on 02-15-2001 05:06 PM

The following are personal rules I try to keep (unless of course they conflict with my secret agenda). I look forward to discussing any discrepancies you may find.
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Another contradiction in his story still concerns the IBM "5100".

He traveled to 1975 to pick up a specific early IBM "PC". But on the IRC log he says that it was an IBM 5110. In various posts he said it was an IBM 5100 and in others he said it was an IBM 5110.

He sent the serial number label from the machine that he picked up to Pamela as a show of proof. The label was from an IBM 5110.

The evidence is that the machine that he was refering to was an IBM 5110 - not an IBM 5100. But he traveled to the wrong year to pick up an IBM 5110. The 5110 was not released until 1978. The 5100 was released in 1975.

None of this is information that anyone has "interpreted" and then drawn conclusions about. This is a simple plain text reading of Titor's words and comparing them with the physical evidence that he sent to Pamela (the label).
 
She read a paragraph that claimed the world was going to end on May 5, 2005.
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6:52 AM PDT and I am still here with all my fingers and toes.... but there are still more hours in the day!

However, since I did not win the lotto last night, the chances of the world ending are slim to none. Now, if I *had* won the lotto, with my luck the world would have ended today! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

RMT
 
Thanks Darby for the info.

I feel that if Titor did exist, then this was from another timeline.

There is movement in the Yellowstone below ground plume.

It is not know whether anything substantial may come of this below ground, seismic movement.

There are odd reports out of the park, from many sources, however I will not discuss this.

There was a lady on another board, that had dreamed of something happened there this day.

However, there was a man from Mexico, who dreamt an almost identical dream, that this happening would be in late August?

I dot not know? It might have been that the entire Titor episode, was a plan to wake the people, by making them ready, regardless.

I say one thing right now, if part and parcel of some of these goings on, was to make friends with certain offworld influences; then these relations are not considered good, or acceptable at this time.
 
Sorry, I was somewhere else in cyberspace:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/4505071.stm

It did not start on May 5 though (the NPT). The Heading of that Article was just an attention getter, and mainly most anything that came from the sky would also probably hit the oceans instead of hitting land. I just think that article was trying to make a point, the May 5, 2005 whatever thing, is something I do not know!

On another note:
Also if Titor come and came as he said, there were many Titors here, as I mentioned before, when I said "We are surrounded by Johns" according to the story, so what is written in that fashion would be different if different Johns were here.

The secondary agenda then to me would be - change worldlines and collect data, so all Johns would collect various worldline data from more than one worldline, and whenever he returned to a similiar worldline, they would have more data than from just one worldline, but a few worldines.

So, it is easy to have it a hoax or even think that it may be real, because of the theory of multiple worldlines.

It can not be proved, that is all I know, and that is where I leave it. Afterall, it is sort of funny, unless it in a sense does come true of course, but then, it would only be similiar to any other worldline, and the notion that each worldline should be different (with a different result when anything happens) is also only speculation.

The only thing anyone can be is -- exactly uncertain about anything --- I guess!

But still, with some of the answers given about that NPT, it unlikely that anyone is going to get rid of all N. Weapons!

It is though like some people are living in flatland when they answer. So what is the answer?
I don't submit that anyone as of yet can think of a singularity being positive with top spin -- whatever that is, so again, the only thing that it could be - -- is a comedy --- but still no one can really answer a story like that in any absolute.
Therefore, the only reference one can make is why -- anyone should care if all those worldlines exist.

Well, I think Dr. David Deustch has answered that already by saying that no matter what worldine anyone is in -- better decisions can always be made. But which then is the better decision?

I leave at that point, because nothing can be concrete, and all of anything ends up - abstract!

Maybe the NPT conference decides something today, but then again probably not!

This is also going on here:
http://www.mclaughlin.com/

and all I can say is that none of it is making me any money, so to those people who have that time to discuss anything - - fine -- I suppose that I should be doing something else.

Also, I thought of that scenario before about the World, I wonder now if it is not something that is picked up, or something like everything being like sort of collective thought about anything.

Another point made by Titor (Collective Consciousness), and also made by others somewhat in the Holographic Universe (book).
But at some point -- it all denys any Freedom then, so might as watch that old movie -- The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly!

????????????????

So on to something productive!

(Being lead around by the nose, or yanked by the chain or whatever one of those saying are!)
((It is just some people who do not submit to that (and do have the means to be either lucky enough or accomplished enough to not suffer -- and I do not really think that anyone is always that accomplished that extensively), that in the ends should perhaps mean that everyone should get along, but then we all are on Planet Earth!)

The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many!
(And all of that from that Star Trek movie.)
The needs of the one outweigh the needs of the few or the many!

Generally overall though with all of humanity: At some time, thinking will have to change, because of humans wanting to survive in the future, perhaps, due to advances in science or in technology or both.

But I doubt if that will happen anytime soon, and according to some -- it has already happened!
 
Oh, and in the next part of the Star Wars movie (May 19 or so), Darth Vader comes alive.
And now there is concern about the rating of it, and some kids should not see it, because of the same ol' debate -- but as Lucas said -- it is about the entire story.

sssss........sssssssss.......ssssssss.......ssssssss......You don't know the true power of the Dark Side of the Force, young Skywalker!

:eek:
 
Oh, by the way, some people are saying that it was an asteroid that cause the Dec. 26, 2004 Earthquake, since there was another one (maybe in Feb. 2005) about 100 miles away, and it did not cause a tsunami, and links can be found to that also somewhere.
Or so the conjecture goes, that it actually is not being reported as it occured according to eye-witness accounts, supposedly!

I do not have time to look up the link again, but then it may just be conjecture or whatever.
 
I don't know or understand what this thread is about.

First it's Yellowstone, which is showing activity latey.

Two not zero, says that now its near earth objects.

So this was a double scenario?

On Star Wars, I feel that this was something done by the powers that be, that they're trying to cover-up.

I say this, as I heard the show outtakes, by Lisa Given's Eye On Hollywood, saying that a California man had channeled past events which were the Star Wars materials.

The very first of the series, was right on the money. Know though, the last of the series, episode three, to be exact, is contrived.

The thing I had tried to tell a jackass aerospace engineer here, who post, but he won't listen to me, is that system was for real.

Don't look at the star Wars tellings, as Anakin Skywalker turning into Darth Vader, look at this series Anakin Skywalker, the Robotacist, who was exceedingly good at robotics.

Figure, in the very first of the series, Ob-Wan Kanobea, said the Luke Skywalker, son of a free slave, "I knew your father from the clone wars.He was a cunning resourceful warrior and a very close friend".

The guy had to be choking on his words, or at least holding it back at that point in time, but he kept his cool.

Look right there in that statement as in the 1970s, nobody even knew what cloning was all about?

There was Roy Thinness and The Invader series.This series showed some cloneimng, in the story.
But by and large, people then, simply did not know what clones were, nor did they have any idea?

The closest they thought of it, was something that had to do with plant biology.

The term clone, in the 1970s was then, was almost a completely unknown term.

If you go by the storyline, then there had to be a large clone factory back then and this is why I feel that some of the later elements of the Star Wars series, has veracity.

Also, if that system had either gone nova, or changed in some way, then participants from that era, might well have migrated to other star systems themselves?

Example, the series of C3POs, that Ank put together.

They might have been self reproducing and are even able to follow genetic tags?

Yeah, I'd look over my should too!? If I were you and you know who you are?

Anakin didn't succumb to a Frankenstein monstrosity, as is depicted in Episode three. There is strong evidence, "and I mean strong evidence"!, that one of the SKywalkers actually married into the Wookie tribes.

Lucas could never put this in film.This insert because of the danger of coming too close to the bestiality clause, held by the censors.

So we now have that Anakin Skywalker, becomes a sort of Frankenstein sort of being, that now goes around destroying everybody.

They blew it.
 
It is simple, there Creedo.

Earthquakes make Volcano's blow. (increases in earthquakes).

Asteriods coming down from sky, may make earthquakes possibly happen.

Thus big volcanos blow and there is a volcano also down in Mexico.

It is a chain of events.
 
He traveled to 1975 to pick up a specific early IBM "PC". But on the IRC log he says that it was an IBM 5110. In various posts he said it was an IBM 5100 and in others he said it was an IBM 5110.

Your Titor quote above, concerning his not having a secret agenda, is in direct conflict with another of his quotes on Post-2-Post ("I am From 2036").
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Is this your argument to prove Titor is a fake Darby? You must be in the FBI! LoL

OK let us assume Titor is a hoax! What you say is he made a mistake while talking about the IBM 5100 or 5110. So you call him a hoax.

I don’t buy the fact that such an intelligent hoaxer, who had put such a lot of effort in making this hoax, does make a “small” mistake like this? 5100 and 5110?

Why do you EXPECT him to tell the truth whether he had a secret agenda or not? It bothers him the least if you believe he had a secret agenda or not.

I’ll tell you it’s an IBM 5100 and not a 5110. He purposely wanted to confuse you (like 2005 and 2004?).

On the other hand if he was a hoax he would have openly told that he was responsible for fixing Y2K in our Worldline.

Rather he did this and also this solves your doubt of whether it is a 5100 or 5110. Pay the maximum attention while you read the following phrases.

Titor Wrote:
Thank you for trying to answer those questions (from 30 December 2000 11:47) but I really do not expect that anyone can. I thought I would share with you things we wonder about. Your logic about me is quite correct but again I must state that I am not trying to get you or anyone else to believe or buy anything.
As far as evidence goes, I have however decided to try an experiment with you that may be more convincing. It involves the travel of information at faster than light. In fact, I have dropped at least three little gems like this that no one else has picked up on.
You said you are confused by the 5100 story. I will explain further. In 2036, it was discovered (or at least known after testing) that the 5100 computer was capable of reading and changing all of the legacy code written by IBM before the release of that system and still be able to create new code in APL and basic.
That is the reason we need it in 2036. However, IBM never published that information because it would have probably destroyed a large part of their business infrastructure in the early 70s. In fact, I would bet the engineers were probably told to keep their mouth's shut.
Therefore, if I were not here now telling you this, that information would not be discovered for another 36 years. Yet, I would bet there is someone out there who can do the research and discover I am telling the truth. There must be an old IBM engineer out there someplace that worked on the 5100. They just might not have ever asked if I hadn't pointed it out.
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And if I were not here telling you that Titor fixed Y2K in our Worldline because it was his secondary mission objective to find out whether the source of the “legacy Code” in the Read Only Memory(ROM) of IBM 5100 really solves Y2K or not, no one will have found it out. This is the answer to his “information experiment”. You can read the above Quote once again now with respect to this answer.

Titor wrote:
I also haven't heard anyone take me up on my "information experiment" on the IBM 5100 or check out the information I've given you about the UNIX failure in 2038. With all due respect, I find it hard to take some of you seriously.
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Now there will not be any UNIX failure in 2038 in our Worldline because it has already been fixed and the Credit goes to Titor the TT.
However, I know you are NOT going to agree with me on this and I am not still convinced that Titor is a hoax.
 
From the data, these were the closest approach to this Planet: (Sorry, but they already occurred)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_unit

92,955,807miles = ~ 1A.U.

0.2 A.U. = ~ 18,591,161 miles

http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/cfa/ps/lists/CloseAppLong.html

Object (and name) Date of encounter (TT) Distance Orbit arc Reference Object (and name) JD Calendar (AU)

2004 YD5 2453359.36 2004 Dec. 19.86 0.0002265 1-opposition, arc = 1 days E2004-Y46
0.0002265A.U. == ~ 21,054.5 miles

2005 FN 2453448.41 2005 Mar. 18.91 0.0009627 1-opposition, arc = 1 days E2005-F29
0.0009627A.U. == ~ 89,488.5554 miles


I suppose that I could make a Hoagland out of this.

Besides the 500 or so objects that are still unknown, or not found, or no data is available for!

Article about 2004 YD5: (So, I guess not that it hit!)

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/asteroid_close_041222.html


Where to calculate orbits:

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/neo/

I put up the images from those two asteriods:
http://dimensionalcitizen.tripod.com/NEO.html

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A flyby!
 
I am not sure if Titor is real or not. The "instructor" image and the image of that guy in florida is the strongest evidence I have seen to make me feel foolish. But a fool I am.

I always liked the shotgun infantry part of the story myself. At first I though WTF, then I realized that it is not the weapon but the ammunition that is important. Once you can't get to the store to buy your casing, you wil need to make your own. Paper is easy to find and manipulate, powder is not a secret and metal nuggets can be found anywhere. A small industry could supply large amounts of shotgun shells while metal shells would require alot more, especially with modern, rifled barrels.

I won't get into multi-dimensional logistics or tactics, but how many "johns" would you send back to increase the rate of sucsess for your worldline?
 
At this "information experiment" I like to bring out one other thing.

If JTF was involved in this hoax, then they would have revealed the answer for the "information experiment" and it makes the story DAMN interesting. But even they were not able to make it out.

Which means :eek:
 
Herc,

Is this your argument to prove Titor is a fake Darby? You must be in the FBI! LoL

OK let us assume Titor is a hoax! What you say is he made a mistake while talking about the IBM 5100 or 5110. So you call him a hoax.
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I know that you're fairly new to this discussion so I can forgive the misapprehension.

No - we didn't conclude that Titor is not a time traveler because he might have made a typo. We discussed that issue about four years ago and I suggested that it could be a typo. However, Titor also sent Pamela a cloth ID label that he said was taken off of the PC that he obtained in 1975. That label was from an IBM 5110...not an IBM 5100. Pamela still has the label. The IBM 5110 was not released until 1978 - three years after he said that he picked it up (in 1975).

We concluded that the reference to an IBM 5110 in the IRC log and in various posts here and on P2P were consistent with the physical evidence. It was an IBM 5110 and not an IBM 5100.

No one's asking you to agree with the evidence.

And I was also pointing out an inconsistency, not in your post, but in Titor's posts relative to any secret agenda. In the post that you quote he said that he had no secret agenda. In the post that I quoted he said that he did. In a third post he said that he left three clues about his secret agenda.

This is of little importance taken by itself. Taken in the totality of the context of his posts maybe it has some evidentiary value.

Again, it's up to you, no me, to decide if its important to you or not.
 
Those are just images taken off of the Internet (in the Present) of what the Internet provides as an image of the IBM computer.

I say IBM computer, because, what John picked up according to him (he had it tweaked somehow) is not actually an IBM 5100 or an IBM 5110, but a tweaked computer, that was not sold in the market place. So the computer JT had, was not an IBM 5100 nor an IBM 5110, but a computer that was different than either one of those because the computer he picked up was tweaked somehow to allow it to do something different, and that computer he picked up, was not sold at the market place. It was not a stock computer, but a customized computer.
So, I guess a person could call it an IBM 5100 Version A computer if one wanted to.

If (A or B) Not (A or B), Then C.
 
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