Hurricane Katrina ties it all together (Civil War)

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Funny, that I just have realized this
A while ago (on one of the posts), I related an experience I had with my parents while we were driving down a highway. Every now and then, we would pass someone who was in obvious distress with their vehicle. I was amazed that so many people could pass them by without stopping to help. Their explanation was fear. The risk of helping someone was too great and with today's technology, they probably had a cell phone anyway. <font color="red">If they didn't, the walk to a gas station would be good for them and teach them a lesson for running out of gas.[/COLOR]
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And another vague reference to running out of gas.

When I arrive in the "new" 1998 worldline on my way home I could easily start all of this again and continue to go through the same conversations with all of the same people. However, I already know you won't pay any attention or believe me because we've already been through it on this worldline. Besides, <font color="red">I think the walk to the gas station will do you some good.[/COLOR]
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And right now, 2005 gasoline is the problem.
 
TimeNot_0,
RMT as far as I am concerned, I think you are nuts!
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I'll take that as a compliment, as some of the people with the greatest revolutionary ideas were often said to be nuts... right before people caught on to what they were saying!
Ever read about wind turbines, they will not stand the wind speed, and like the rest of the crap, there goes the wind turbine along with the hurricane. I sure they won't survive a tornado either
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You've got to be kidding! May I remind you that I am degreed in, and teach, aerospace engineering. That means one of my primary areas of knowledge is airmass and airspeed effects that produce forces upon bodies. I assure you that structures can be made that can withstand MUCH higher airmass wind forces than even a CAT IV hurricane. Do you realize that a supersonic fighter sees airmass forces MUCH higher than Katrina? Hell, we even send airplanes INTO hurricanes and they come out fine! Let me assure you, TimeNot_0, that if the proper specifications are set out, based on the wind profiles of strong hurricanes, that a wind turbine that can withstand those winds can be designed and tested. I'd bet you can find wind turbines today that are rated out to well over 100 mph windspeeds.

Now, is it the City's fault, the paper work, or the Federal Government fault?
What about the Governor of Louisana, and what about people who do not (even if they can not help themselves) think of survival, or the syndrome of what I call -- leave it to someone else?
All factors play into the arena, but the end result is that no one can ask for help without first feeding the paper work through the System!
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Consider this as a big lesson of Katrina: Take responsibility for yourself, and prepare yourself beforehand such that you don't have to ask for help. Instead of RELYING on help, make it your absolute last resort. Too many people ignored the warning to evacuate, expecting that "well, the government will help me out of anything I get into." THIS is the problem with the way so many people look at the government. GOVERNMENT IS NOT AN INSURANCE COMPANY AGAINST YOUR OWN STUPIDITY AND WILLINGNESS TO AVOID LOOKING OUT FOR YOURSELF.

For what it's worth: People compaining about the federal government "not doing anything" about this. Well, for over 20 years the Feds have put a LOT of money into hurricane forecasting capabilities. So much so that we now have the ability to predict approximate hurricane corridors, predict windspeeds upon landfall, and GIVE UP TO THREE DAYS WARNING for people to get the flip out of dodge! The Feds did an awful lot to warn people... but people ignored it and thought they knew better, and thought they would be fine. They chose wrong. And that is part of Darwinism, isn't it?

excuses after excuses given out by people who feel they can do nothing about any of it and always -- it is the other guys' fault!
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Exactly my point. It is time to take personal responsibility for oneself. I'm prepared for a disaster wherever I go. How many other people can say this?

I lost you in your arguments after the above line, TimeNot_0. But thanks for sharing. And thanks for telling me I am nuts! Badge of honor. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
RMT
 
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And another vague reference
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Nothing more than this need be said to point out the problems with Titor's stories. I can make lots of vague references today for things that might happen in the next 5 years. And if I am vague and sly enough in my writing, foolish people will try to twist them to say "RainmanTime said something about this...looks like he was right!"

Oh but I forget... no one would EVER admit that RainmanTime was right about something... that's because I am not only scientific and logical, but also a REAL person who doesn't claim to be a time traveler! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/yum.gif
RMT
 
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You can add Nostradamus, vague as no one else.
H.G.Wells was less vague but a visionary like Jules Verne, and now RainmanTime, we are all doomed.
 
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we are all doomed.
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Doomed, I say! It's all gonna unravel and fall apart. :eek:

Or, we could learn from, and improve, our cultural systems as a result of the lessons learned from certain natural disasters? I dunno... but I do admit to having a tendency to root for the positive outcome of historical events that are generally looked upon as negative.

Are vague predictions even worth our time and effort? I wonder...
RMT
 
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Well late at night half sleeping and bored can be a nice fantasy ride, and makes me feel like a kid again.
 
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Yes, we are all doomed, DOOMED! Actually, the way it seems to be going to all you who were thinking the West Coast was going to slip off into the Pacific...its starting to look like the West Coast will be all thats left. And we will be ok with that, we have our own drilling platforms for our own gas, the only thing that will occur is that our language will be habla espanol!
 
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TO RMT:
Consider this as a big lesson of Katrina: Take responsibility for yourself, and prepare yourself beforehand such that you don't have to ask for help. Instead of RELYING on help, make it your absolute last resort. Too many people ignored the warning to evacuate, expecting that "well, the government will help me out of anything I get into." THIS is the problem with the way so many people look at the government. GOVERNMENT IS NOT AN INSURANCE COMPANY AGAINST YOUR OWN STUPIDITY AND WILLINGNESS TO AVOID LOOKING OUT FOR YOURSELF.

Saw an interview on television with a dutch professor in water management, who was in new orleans 4 years ago, he told that they warned the goverment for exactly this,what happend now in new-orleans,( about the dikes that broke)he also pointed out that the bush goverment cut funds for watermanagement in half! so dont say the federal goverment isn't responsible!
and maybe you americans should get more knowledge from were its availeble( here in the netherlands)
then a disaster like this wouldn't have happend!
my thoughts go to the victems that were abandond by their goverment!
 
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I feel that I need to respond to your post. You are absolutely correct that one should NOT set themselves up for trusting someone else will bale then out when disaster strikes. It doesnt take a genius to know that if a major disaster struck, that assistance would be a long wait.

Plus, regardless of what the government did, living in a city BELOW sea level ON THE COAST, in the path of HURRICANES, isnt a good idea in the first place, and even if the levies held this time, the day would come that this type of disaster would have happened anyway.

Your comment about 'us' Americans is a rather all inclusive remark. Many of 'us' Americans are prepared for almost anything, and are well informed. As sneaky as the government is suppossed to be, many citizens are just as sneaky, and if civil war breaks out, it would be one hell of a fight.
Hell, I could attend a 'special' convention and come home with just about any type of weapon or piece of survival equipment I desired. How many of 'us' Americans have "The Poor Mans James Bond " book included in our home library?


If one wanted to take a religious slant on the event in New Orleans, which is well known for its participation in VooDoo, then one could say that God showed em all what He thought of VooDoo. Which is something predicted by Dr. Samuel Doctorian as far as God being tired of all the evil going on in this world and He is now going to begin with what He said He was going to do.
 
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I've never met a religious hurricane!

I see all this stuff, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, China, tsunamis, Katrina, peek oil, global warming, green house, terrorism, Islam, Christianity, class distinction, racism, etc etc etc, as all part of the same thing. We, as a race of people (global race intentionally implied) are crazy, selfish and blind.
We all sit around saying “sheet! Who is to blame for all this mess?”

Us!!!!

That’s why I like beer!
Titor could have at least mentioned what the beer will be like in the future!


BTW RMT, the OZ Gold Coast was excellent last week, have a great time when you get there! And Drink LOTS O BEER!
 
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I've never met a religious hurricane!
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I was just kidding. But if one is to believe Dr. Samuel Doctorians prophecies then perhaps...?

What method of destruction would God use? I would believe any force of nature is at His disposal, and He would certainly know what we would do to make certain His Will is achieved.
 
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Yes his will ... hmmm?

Well I think that God was a bit mean to plant a "tree of knowledge" in a lovely garden full of every thing good then say "hey guys go for it and enjoy! But keep away from that tree with juicy apples on it" pointing his fingers and smirking.

Then he says "alright guys I'm gonna go for a little walk now! Hint! Hint! I shan’t be long"… still pointing and snickering!

Did he warn us about that bloody pet snake of his? .... Noooo!

Did he say that he would kick us out of the garden if the only girl (that happens to be NUDE with the big norks) gave man an apple for lunch? .... Noooo!

Where was the banana tree I ask you?

His will indeed!

He had nothing else to play with! That is why he made us.
He should have made a playstation instead!

He just pushed the hurricane icon to see what might happen!

He could have said "I'll give you just enough knowledge so you know that if you eat from that damn tree your lives will suck forever"
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That’s what I think!
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LOL! That is a funny post. Got a good laugh out of it. I agree it seems like a mean trick, but it served its purpose.

You know that there is much more to the story than just as it is read. But, there is already a thread that is on that topic.

The God? Thread.

I dont think anyone wants to see another one get started. Plus I would not want to start posting everything I did in that thread, in this one.
 
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I always like it when nitescott drops by! That wild and wooly Aussie sense of humor rips my gut!

We all sit around saying “sheet! Who is to blame for all this mess?”
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My point exactly! Why are we, as humans, always seeking to pin blame? Why is this the biggest afflication of the "civilized" world? Why are people so freaking reluctant to admit "My decisions got me where I am now, and only my decisions can get me to a better place."????

I come from the school of "If you want it bad enough, you can create it for yourself." My Dad made it clear to me that if I wanted to achieve ANYTHING for myself, then I would have to do it...myself! I feel a deep debt of gratitude that my Dad paid for my higher education, because that was the ONLY tool I needed to figure out that *I* am the one in charge in MY life... NOT the government! There is NOTHING in my life that I could EVER blame the government for creating. It is all wrought from MY view of what I wanted to create... the good, the bad, AND the ugly!


BTW RMT, the OZ Gold Coast was excellent last week, have a great time when you get there! And Drink LOTS O BEER!
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Heaps-O-Thanks, nitescott! I'm in the mountains of Colorado right now, enjoying the local beers of this area. I'll be at the Gold Coast just before Xmas, and you might find me wandering around Chevron Island in a pseudo-druken stupor, asking the ladies "where do you herd all the Americans to sleep at night? I think I got to be wif me countrymen in their time-o-need!" :D

Be well,
RMT
 
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I thought that you’d like that. If there is a god then he created humour!
But we created beer!
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I have it on good word that the real truth for our downfall was that someone took the last Beer from God's Fridge. He got mad as hell ( oops ) and sent us down here to get our own.
 
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You have to admit that the whole world is scared, when the US sneezes the world catches the flu.
Is in our best interest that the US, survive all this bad [censored] going around.
 
I said, "Did you read about wind turbines?"
Not what your ego thinks while you smaller than amoeba size in this Universe!

Wind Turbines (last year or maybe the year before) quit when the wind goes over 120mph, start falling apart probably when the wind speed reaches 160mph and the Hurricane, one I heard had winds of 165mph, someone else said.

Now, they may get better, but they will start probably falling apart, and no thanks, I do not need a 10 foot blade trying to slice off my head, or even beginning to move off of the platform that holds it (usually trying to be 100 feet in the air on a metal post!)

They just will not function something like 120 mph giving out electricity!

They do have companies that do sell those things on the Internet, and the small ones surely will not take wind speeds like a Hurricane (or else I would not consider them safe, at all!)

The big ones put out 3000 watts, the small ones around 400 watts, and all the dc to ac electrical equipment is also needed, all electronic now and computerized!

Farmers use a good (like the Dutch use wood) ol' fashioned steel for pumping water out of the ground!
They just do not use thin blades, like today's greater technology, and those old wood windmills have been around for a lot longer time!

Just my take on your fiber-carbon whatever wind blades!

Yep, they probably won't break, just spin through things!
 
They just will not function something like 120 mph giving out electricity!
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That's truly strange since propellers on turboprop engines (such as the P-3 Orion) operate up to speeds in excess of Mach 0.6. That is over 450 miles per hour at sea level! Moreover, there are things called Ram Air Turbines which are deployed from commercial aircraft at similar speeds to act as an emergency power source if all onboard generators are lost.

Yep, they probably won't break, just spin through things!
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I'm sorry, I don't want to offend you, but you are incorrect. Yes, I will admit that EXISTING designs are not "rated" for winds in excess of about 80 mph at best. But I guarantee you that it is possible to build wind turbines every bit as strong the propellers that fly through hurricanes regularly.

RMT
 
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