Hello again

Check this out !!! Re: Spots on Venus

Ok Rainman,

you offer some good explanations and possible theories with some satisfactory answers.

Seems that you have had a fair ammount of experience in looking into these stories / theories
and spent time questioning and analysing them...

I am curious was there ever any particular story that really made you question and seriously consider...

if so could you list a few which were the better stronger ones....

I would like to hear a few of your theories sometime on a few of the main stories that have took my interest over the majority of other things that I have tried to look into.. I am curious how you analysed them...such as the main ones I mention below..or do you have any links to your comments elsewhere related to them...

For eg..... Have you ever considered Bob Lazars claims as possiblities..along with the Area 51 stories...and a few other people who claimed to work at area 51... some who were engineers and claimed to see Craft made of materials that they had never seen on this planet as well as seeing ETs.

Was you initially surprised at John Lears claims ?...
I am not sure with some of those claims that one can be ever certain he is lying as to me some of his comments are theorectically possible...and I dont know how they could be disproved..

The Underground tunnel theories at Dulce that Phil Schneider described initially took my interest and seeing that he was later murdered, this seems a very unusual incident...

Then I have seen some stories from Stanton Friedman...but I have to admitt that he does do seminars and sells books etc which does make me question him...


NO I have not come across the UFO hunters show / Bill Birnes...but I have seen some so called experts try and convince people of somethings that could easily be anything other than ufos.

I myself witnessed something many years ago that I thought that I could never explain... and it took me possibly 25 yrs to come up with what may have been an explanation....

But I am still unsure what a scientist would suggest....


basically I and a friend witnessed very large monilith type object rise out of a canal near where I live that is generally 6 to 8 foot deep and is about 40 to 50 feet wide one late night...

It was a place where I used to go fishing.... as youngsters sometimes we used to go night fishing
or go and see friends who were...

on this occasion we were walking along the footpath and everything was dead calm and still... I noticed all of a sudden that the water was making waves.

it was near to what we called 3 waters meet.. this is where the canal branched of 3 ways.

I looked around and walked back to the 3 waters meet and looked into the middle...

I could see an object rising out of the water.. it was dead quiet and the object very slowly rised up from below the water....

.... IT Slowly continued to gradually rise vertically higher and higher from the waters surface without actually leaving the water.... it did so to a height of between 20 to 30 foot....yet the canal was only 6 to 8 foot deep.......

then Very slowly it gradually tilted and lied flat on the waters surface....

it then started moving across to the other side and I could see its full length in relation to the width of the canal which was wider at the 3 waters than the normal average width of the canal.

it reached the other side.... and then... it turned towards us.....

we were young, shocked, it was night and we S--T ourseleves... and ran away...

It all seemed to occur in very slow motion...


For some reason we didnt call the police or tell anyone....although we did consider it..

we went back in the morning and looked for the object... we walked a long way in all directions and could not see anything.....

This was possibly the most weird experience that I have ever come across in my lifetime..

I am curious if anyone has a scientific theory as to what happened here...



TC
 
Re: Where to find Nibiru

Hi Mayak,

I have known about the website you refer to for quite sometime...

I have not read all their articles, and initially it was that site that got me interested in PX..

and it has maintained my interest in it...

I did think initially MAYBE this could have been a genuiene source of quality information...

and I have questioned many of the posts that they have made.. and still do so...

I did think that they were much more credible / trusted than many of the other sources that I have found.....and I have questioned the main Man who runs it..

After all the time I have spent observing their materials, I am sorry to say that I am still no wiser....

I cannot make out if they really do believe in what they do or if they are just very clever hoaxers ...

They do make money out of what they sell... To me IF I also fully believed in something, I wouldnt object to them selling me their books etc....

BUT IF I later suspected that they were just clever hoaxers, I surpose id feel misled..

After many numerous varied articles etc that I have read of theirs, I have always ended up
with no conclusive evidence.... its a continuation of new possibilities... or certainly was for quite a while.... Lately however they have been very quiet.. and at the moment they are not covering much to keep my interest...

I was going to raise the question/Topic .. should such people sell such wares ??? especially if they cannot prove their subject... As much as I initially enjoyed reading their material...as to me this was one of the greatest theories I have ever come across... I did not mind paying for books etc.....


BUT if it proves to be a continuous attempt to sell more and more material.. and there appears no real evidence... then its a different opinion....

It has to me been one of the better sites that I have seen on the subject...

TC
 
Monlith on Mars (further ref)

Heres another article in ref to the previous Buzz Aldin Monilith on Mars posts...


one of the links shows a picture of it...



Zeta's .... also see pics:
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Phobos Monolith
The presence of the Annunaki on a moon of Mars, Phobos, and on Mars itself in the past has recently hit the news. Buzz Aldrin, an astronaut who walked on the Moon, is giving interviews and talking up the monoliths on Mars and Phobos.

VIDEO: Buzz Aldrin ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDIXvpjnRws

Per the Zetas, there is no question that the Annunaki were on Mars in the past, mining for gold ore just as they did on Earth. Per the Zetas, the missing water on the surface of Mars was diverted underground when the Annunaki washed their ore.

ZetaTalk Explanation 7/15/1995: Mars met its demise as a result of visitors from Planet X, who set up mining operations on Mars in preference to Earth where large carnivorous mammals roamed about in great numbers. Where the atmosphere on Mars was thin, it was ample, so the visitors set about using what water resources they could muster to wash the ore they were after. In so doing they sought to control the run-off on the relatively flat surface of Mars, and did so in a thoughtless manner by directing waste water down a culvert. Thus precious water increasingly was sent underground, and a chain of events was set in motion that could not be reversed. The surface of Mars cooled as the atmosphere thinned, and the freezing surface accelerated this process. Earth now looked more promising, especially as they had little alternative. Eventually, after being quarantined from Earth, they learned how to create and maintain their own atmosphere in air tight chambers, and thus relocatable they have continued their mining operations within the Solar System, on this spot or that, and are here still.

Two monoliths have been revealed, one on Mars and one on Phobos, a moon of Mars.


Mars Monument 'Proof of Life'
August 5, 2009
http://www.lankajournal.com/?p=5464
This mysterious monument could be proof there was once life on Mars. The rectangular structure - measuring five metres across - was photographed by a super high resolution camera on the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter. The giant monolith juts out of the planet's surface casting a huge shadow below. The monument resembles the black monolith seen in Stanley Kubrick film 2001: A Space Odyssey. And astonishingly Buzz Aldrin, the second man to walk on the Moon, revealed a similar monolith was detected on Mars' moon Phobos. Speaking last week, he insisted: "We should visit the moons of Mars. "There's a monolith there - a very unusual structure on this little potato shaped object that goes around Mars once every seven hours.
Both monoliths have a triangular shape, 3 sides, and are quite tall.


Phobos Structures of the Monolith
http://www.aliensurgeon.com/phobos.htm
Recently, researchers Lan Fleming and Efrain Palermo produced a provocative analysis of an apparent ''monolith'' on Phobos' surface that appears inconsistent with the rest of the satellite's rounded topology. The '' monolith'' shown above, appears to be an unexpectedly tall outcropping of some kind. Ads it appears in isolation and contradicts the surrounding terrain, an argument can be made for artificial origin.
The Zetas have stated that the Annunaki moved to Phobos after they ruined the atmosphere of Mars, mining Phobos from the inside in a temperature controlled, secure environment.

ZetaTalk Explanation 10/15/1996: It is rumored that one of the moons of Mars, Phobos, is inhabited by the giant hominoids from Planet X, and this rumor is correct. They have burrowed into the interior of this relatively small moon to conduct a mining operation, but this is not the only reason. As we have mentioned, they ruined the surface of Mars with these mining operations. What thin atmosphere Mars had essentially disappeared when the water was diverted into underground caverns, cooling the surface until the remaining water froze. Mining the caverns of Phobos allows these visitors several advantages:
* They remain out of sight of Earth telescopes, and thus hope to evade interference of visits from curious humans.
* Atmosphere and temperature control is easier within an enclosed space.
* The moon's surface affords a thick and almost impermeable shield from bombardment from space trash such as dust and small meteors, which would continually pepper them if they remained on the surface of Mars.
What occurs when one of NASA's probes drifts close to this moon? Monitoring equipment stationed on the surface of Phobos by these visitors alerts them to the approach of something other than space trash. Not wanting to be observed or to become the object of curiosity, the giant hominoids simply put the eye out of the probe. This is done with a laser, the same mechanism they use to send signals to one another at great distances but devastating to delicate electronic equipment at close range. Send a probe to Phobos and oops, the probe stops working! Any attempt to fly a manned shuttle to Phobos to explore the operation would also meet with disaster and death, and such an attempt is therefore ill advised.
 
Re: Monlith on Mars (further ref)

Before we go hopping off to Mars....

This thread began as an alleged time traveler who spun his tale of conspiracy about "Planet X". I am still waiting for Planet X to make its appearance, or for its effects to be felt. I think it is only fair to first complete the "Planet X" watch and see it through to its final debunking before we begin mixing-up our conspiracy theories...OK?

Timecycle, feel free to start other threads on other topics. But it is my goal that, when Planet X shows absolutely NO sign of being real by the end of this calendar year, that this thread will be closed as the bunkum that it is.

BTW, I notice our biggest "Planet X" cheerleader (recall15) has apparantly left the forum. Perhaps he cannot take the shame of Planet X just being another bad story...

RMT
 
Re: Monlith on Mars (further ref)

Hi Rainman,

At the moment there seems little being said about "PX" on the forums I usually follow.

I have said in the past many things that were raised about it were either found to be false
or seem unlikely after further investigation...

At the moment there is little to keep my attention .. and I also am becoming less and less
interested in it... So I suspect there may be little to add from here on unless something crops up.

which in this subject... no doubt will occurr, but it seems there is usually a explanation.

It seems very few members bother to comment in this thread anymore... so I suspect recall may have
thought it not worth posting anymore.... or maybe he has changed his views on it..


I was hoping that you would had made further comments to my prior post...

I thought that you may make further comments on your research into J. Lear and Co...or direct me to
a previous set of post that you may have made on it somewhere on this forum if it has been raised in the past from other members.

OR refer me to topics that you do suggest more worthy...ie that may have some truths / real possibilities....be it TT or Some sort of astro...

The main topic so far that I recall you do take seriously is solar flares...
but I am not sure that you really take T.T to have any real possibilities...
Have any of the People on this forum who claim to be from the future ever given you
reason to believe in them?


You refer that you want to keep this thread open to the end of the year....

Have you not also found this with all your other threads.. ufos , paranormal, TT, etc...
Would it not be a case that most of them also lead to no conclusions...

You have been at this much longer than me... but after my 2 yrs or so , I would say that all I have is a lot of research that led to little real conclusive evidence on any of this type of material. At the end of the day not of it seems to be proved.. and i get the impression this is how it may likely be.... as fasentating as I initially started to find it..


I will offer my Experience of a suggestion from working with time.

I believe that the stock market will start on a big fall from the following dates.

On the Dow, I am led to believe that the Dow will top about 9630 / 9670

It has made one top already around this level...

the 9th, 14th... will see the start of further declines..to October 9th/10th..

TC
 
Re: Monlith on Mars (further ref)

Ray,

He's moved over to Time Chatter where he can commiserate with HDRKid and Reactor. It's a site where there is no one who questions the little oddities of off-the-wall "theories". I'm sure that it works for them. I'm also sure that it works for me.
 
Charlie, are you still there? Are you alright?
You mentioned you have 2 other members in your group. Who are they and are they still active in internet right now?
 
The most recent posts Charlie did was in another forum, some months ago.
Last week he e-mailed one of the members of that forum, saying that he will be back soon.

Peace.
Luis
 
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