General Conspiracies

Re: David Icke

timecycle,

I have a difficult time knowing if/when you are replying to something I wrote. It seems like you put my quote AFTER the part you are writing in response to it???? That is odd. Perhaps you can take a few minutes and learn how to use the "quote" feature on the forum? It is not all that difficult and it will clarify things immensely. For example:

PARDON any of us for being born ! and having any privalidges.... This seems like Total type Hitler worship ...that we have to be greatful for the Goverment allowing us to drive on the road or travel abroad.......... I am sure many of us are greatful for Life and its privaliges and SOME of the creations of mankind....

Now I respond to this: It seems either you glossed-over, or purposefully ignored the point I was making. So let me state it again:

Your passport is not at all your property. It is the property of your government. As such, they are free to do with it what they wish (chip it or not). Just as you are free to leave your country and live elsewhere if you do not like their passport rules, or simply not carry a passport if you do not wish to travel to other countries. You seem to only be considering the possible miuses of the passport, and not at all considering EXACTLY why it is we have passports (and a major part of why we have them is to keep you safe in your country, and in your home, safe from criminal elements that will not like your country, or mine, no matter what they may or may not think of us). I would encourage you to embrace the totality of life in this real world, and not merely live in a partial fantasy world.

And "Hitler worship"? Oh please. I do not think you would even like living in your very own country some 800 or so years ago. If you think your government is oppressive NOW, just imagine what middle and lower class people had to put up with in medievel times?!?! Seriously, I am even wondering if you, with your lopsided view of the free societies we live in, are actually receiving some form of government dole while you surf the conspiracy sites? That would be ironic, but not unheard of. Because actually, in the USA, it is quite often the people who are already living off the public larder that are the ones who turn up to protests about both how "the government is not doing enough to help us" and/or "there is a giant government conspiracy to keep us down."

To get a balanced view of things, it might actually be good for you to go live in a place like Pakistan for even as little as 6 months. Then come home to the UK and tell us how bad of a place it is.

RMT
 
Re: David Icke

Hi RM,


Not all the theories that I post are mine... Some I just post out of interest as I think that they MAY have some truths...

The theories that I posted recently refer to what David Icke and Alex Jones are describing what from what you are indicating that you do not believe in.....

From Evidence that they describe, you do obviously appear not to believe what they say could be occurring...

From what I see there is Definate evidence that this is the way things are going...

The whole scenerio in the last few years is getting to become severe big brother IMO as the changes in Security and the Passport situation is just two examples as both AJ and DI have indicated....

My Own opinion is IF 9/11 was done deliberately and there seems a LOT that does make you question it ...then I certainly would believe what they are saying...

Like anything there are several interpretations on what individuals observes going on...

You make assumptions of How you believe that those who protest make my living from Gov handouts...Not sure why ? or if its any of anyones business... some of these people do have good reason to protest and if they do have time on their hands this is what they do with it...
Most people who are working wouldnt have the time to protest...and if people didnt question things, all we do is go along with what the authorities tell us...


Its a matter of opinion no doubt as to ,do we believe that the Goverment hold down the masses or not... All I do know is many people who I know who are successful certainly do believe it...
I have spoken with many successful people in the last few years and they have informed me about it.

They tell me a very large part of the system is designed that way and the majority will accept it as they know no better.....The majority of us are in that position and this is just how the Goverment like it ...
 
Astronomer claiming that Nibiru has been found

Just found this article..

I think that its the first article where a real Astronomer has made claims about it...
or at least thats what the article says....


Nibiru Doomsday Planet Found
Tuesday, September 12th 2009

All those who believe in Nibiru can now say ‘I told you so’ after a secret photo was released today by astronomers searching for the dark planet, the team of star gazer’s have also made a startling revelation.

Nibiru is been billed as the ‘Doomsday Planet’ which many people believe will pass close by to the Earth in 2012 causing a chain of events that will destroy our planet, or at least cause mass extinctions.

Is it a fictitious planet from within books, and legend?

One astronomer, who works at a large telescope facility and prefers to be un-named for anonymity reasons, likened the find to being given a massive wake up call.

He said: “This is one of those days in which I sat back in my chair and thought; well this is it!”

With a worried look on his face the astronomer continued: “We knew that Nibiru was there in the Solar System, but because of the amount of radio disturbance due to extreme amounts of radiation this planet emits – it was very hard to track.”

“In fact it may even disappear off the radar again pretty soon, so we decided to get the images uploaded as quickly as we could.”

“We at the observatory did say that we would shout at the top of our lungs if we ever could positively identify and photograph Nibiru.” He Continued.

On being asked why it has took until now to confirm the planets existence and why all the denials had been made if they knew about the planet; he stated: “We had an obligation to the public not to cause panic unnecessarily, it is the general consensus among scientists and astronomers to keep things quiet until we know grade one if we have all the correct and corroborating facts.”

”Lucky if we get to 2012.”

Apparently the news of the confirmation of Nibiru has been relayed to all the major world leaders, who the astronomer says, are keeping their options open.

The astronomer described the urgency of the news about the discovery stating: “It is now all about time – time to act, time to draw up plans, time to address the situation and meet it head on, time to disclose and most importantly time to figure out if and when any evacuation procedures can be put into place,” he went on: “We do not know exactly how much time we do have on our hands, but judging by Nibiru’s speed, trajectory and its actual distance from us, well let’s put it this way – we will be lucky if we get to 2012 without already having most of the planet in some kind of extinction process or even worse already extinct.”
 
Re: David Icke

RM....

Do you refer to the Insant UBB Code for making something stand out...I am testing it on this post.

I will be honest and say that I had not studied how to use the features on the forum.
I assume there are some instructions somewhere..

It looks like thats also How I can add images to posts as well...


I have a difficult time knowing if/when you are replying to something I wrote. It seems like you put my quote AFTER the part you are writing in response to it???? That is odd. Perhaps you can take a few minutes and learn how to use the "quote" feature on the forum? It is not all that difficult and it will clarify things immensely. For example:
 
Re: Astronomer claiming that Nibiru has been found

Just found this article..

I think that its the first article where a real Astronomer has made claims about it...
or at least thats what the article says....


Nibiru Doomsday Planet Found
Tuesday, September 12th 2009

Ugh. Do I really need to post these questions/observations?

1) Why is this "real astronomer" not named...at all?
2) Why is the alleged observatory that this "real astronomer" works at not named...at all?
3) Why does s/he offer no evidence (in addition to not revealing his/her name and observatory) of their alleged observation?
4) Would you at least post the link to this story? How reputable is the source of this story? (i.e. is it another tabloid rag?)

I see nothing here but heresay, with absolutely no real person to attribute it to. That is how people are fooled and taken advantage of.

RMT
 
Re: Astronomer claiming that Nibiru has been found

Wow, I think this is the second time this week I'm agreeing with RMT. The world must be coming to an end!

This anonymous astrometer and an anonymous telescope says he took a picture and a speed and distance measurement, but does not say who, where, when, how fast. Not a reliable source of information from my vantage point.

In my opinion, the end of the world coming via the unqualified people running the country these days... see below.

Afghanistan Czar: Richard Holbrooke- Ultra liberal anti-gun, former Gov.of New Mexico . Pro Abortion and legal drug use.

AIDS Czar: Jeffrey Crowley Homosexual. A Gay Rights activist. Believes in Gay Marriage and Special Status, including free health care for gays.

Auto recovery Czar: Ed Montgomery- Black radical anti business activist. Affirmative Action and Job Preference for blacks. Univ of Maryland Business School Dean teaches US business has caused world poverty. ACORN board member. Communist DuBois Club member.

Border Czar: Alan Bersin- former failed Superintendent of San Diego . Ultra Liberal friend of Hilary Clinton. Served as Border Czar under Janet Reno - to keep borders open to illegals

California Water Czar: David J. Hayes Sr. Fellow of radical environmentalist group, "Progress Policy". No training or experience in water management.

Car Czar: Ron Bloom- Auto Union worker. Anti business & anti nuclear. Has worked hard to force US auto makers out of business. Sits on the Board of Chrysler which is now Auto Union owned. How did this happen?

Central Region Czar: Dennis Ross- Believes US policy has caused Mid East wars. Obama apologist to the world. Anti gun and pro abortion.

Domestic Violence Czar: Lynn Rosenthal- Director of the National Network to End Domestic Violence. Vicious anti male feminist. Supported male castration.

Drug Czar: Gil Kerlikowske- devoted lobbyist for every restrictive gun law proposal, Former Chief of Police in Liberal Seattle . Believes no American should own a firearm. Supports legalization of drugs.

Economic Czar: Paul Volcker -Head of Fed Reserve under Jimmy Carter when US economy nearly failed. Obama appointed head of the Economic Recovery Advisory Board which engineered the Obama economic disaster to US economy. Member of anti business "Progressive Policy" organization.

Energy and Environment Czar: Carol Brower- Political Radical -Former head of EPA -- known for anti-business activism. Strong anti-gun ownership.

Faith-Based Czar: Joshua DuBois Political Black activist-Degree in Black Nationalism. Anti gun ownership lobyist.

Great Lakes Czar: Cameron Davis- Chicago radical anti business environmentalist. Blames George Bush for "Poisoning the water that minorities have to drink." No experience or training in water management. Former ACORN Board member

Green Jobs Czar: Van Jones- (since resigned). Black activist Member of American Communist Party and San Francisco Communist Party who said Geo Bush caused the 911 attack and wanted Bush investigated by the World Court for war crimes. Black activist with strong anti-white views.

Guantanamo Closure Czar: Daniel Fried -Rights activist for Foreign Terrorists. Believes America has caused the war on terrorism.

Health Czar: Nancy-Ann DeParle. Former head of Medicare / Medicaid. Strong Health Care Rationing proponent. She is married to a reporter for The New York Times.

Information Czar: Vivek Kundra- born in New Delhi, India . Controls all public information, including labels and news releases. Monitors all private Internet emails.

International Climate Czar: Todd Stern- Anti business former White House chief of Staff- Strong supporter of the Kyoto Accord. Pushing hard for Cap and Trade. Blames US business for Global warming.

Intelligence Czar: Dennis Blair- Ret Navy. Stopped US guided missile program as "provocative". Chair of ultra liberal "Council on Foreign Relations" which blames American organizations for regional wars.

Mideast Peace Czar: George Mitchell Fmr. Sen from Maine- Left wing radical. Has said Israel should be split up into "2 or 3 " smaller more manageable plots". Anti-nuclear anti-gun & pro homosexual.

Pay Czar: Kenneth Feinberg- Chief of Staff to TED KENNEDY. Lawyer who got rich off the 911 victims payoffs.

Regulatory Czar: Cass Sunstein- Liberal activist judge-believes free speech needs to be limited for the "common good". Rules against personal freedoms many times -like private gun ownership. Believes animals should have same legal rights as humans. Your dog should be able to sue you.

Science Czar: John Holdren- Fierce ideological environmentalist, Sierra Club, Anti business activist. Claims US business has caused world poverty. No Science training.

Stimulus Accountability Czar: Earl Devaney- spent career trying to take guns away from American citizens. Believes in Open Borders to Mexico . Author of statement blaming US gun stores for drug war in Mexico.

Sudan Czar: J. Scott Gration- Native of Democratic Republic of Congo. Believes US does little to help Third World countries. Council of foreign relations, asking for higher US taxes to support United Nations.

TARP Czar: Herb Allison- Fannie May CEO responsible for the US recession by using real estate mortgages to back up the US stock market. Caused millions of people to lose their life savings.

Terrorism Czar: John Brennan- Anti CIA activist. No training in diplomatic or gov. affairs. Believes Open Borders to Mexico and a dialog with terrorists and has suggested Obama disband US military.

Technology Czar: Aneesh Chopra- No Technology training. Worked for the Advisory Board Company, a health care think tank for hospitals. Anti doctor activist. Supports Obama Health care Rationing and salaried doctors working exclusively for the Gov. health care plan.

Urban Affairs Czar: Adolfo Carrion Jr.- Puerto Rican. Anti American activist and leftist group member in Latin America . Millionaire "slum lord" of the Bronx , NY. Owns many lavish homes and condos which he got from "sweetheart" deals with labor unions. Wants higher taxes to pay for minority housing and health care.

Weapons Czar: Ashton Carter- Leftist. Wants all private weapons in US destroyed. Supports UN ban on firearms ownership in America . No Other "policy"

WMD Policy Czar: Gary Samore- Former US Communist. Wants US to destroy all WMD unilaterally as a show of good faith. Has no other "policy".
They all report directly to Obama and not one was approved by congress. In other words, they were all appointed by Obama and circumvented congress.
 
Re: Astronomer claiming that Nibiru has been found

The world must be coming to an end!

Nope!

Just TEOTWAWKI!
The end of the World as We Know IT!

:eek:

The next SUN is far Better than this one! :D
 
Re: Astronomer claiming that Nibiru has been found

Wow, I think this is the second time this week I'm agreeing with RMT. The world must be coming to an end!

Apocalypse fer sure!


Nice to find common ground, tho. I am also troubled by all the "czars". You would think the Dems (esp. Obama!) would be sensitive about being called communist/socialist such that they would not WANT to use that word! Perhaps they are just being overt, then?

RMT
 
Re: Astronomer claiming that Nibiru has been found

Hi Rainman,

It may be good that you made me requestion it...

it is a Hoax although initially I did think that It may had been a true Newspaper
article....

I just found something that makes me requestion it..as it ends up taking me to another page which
is trying to sell something...


This was going to be my reply....but you may want to ignore it...

Appologies.. !

this link however appears to refer to it on the Italian news .. and may be genuiene.. except I cannot understand their lingo ! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

This is the First news article that I have seen if it is Real...

It's Italian News:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbUfeF7RYkM&feature=player_em bedded


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As I understand it... the poster referred to it... in a topic titled "TV news with Direct Reference to Px" as a TV or a Newspaper article, which as far as I am aware very few REAL newspapers or TV programmes have actully referred to "Planet X"..... Having said that I did find it on a website


All I can say is IF its is from a Real newspaper.. its the first article from the real press ( not just on a forum a website like the majority of information) and it actually refers to what they describe as I would had thought would had been a Non amature Astronomer. ( although rereading it doesnt actaully say so).

I agree, if theres anything to this ,yes the details dont offer much to make any real judgement...

I am not sure if I should post the link, as when I clicked on it..it took me also to another website that wanted me to click ok to access it... I decided to just copy and paste and save the 1st page details... then shut my computer down as I could not close the problem page unless I clicked ok. I am always very vary of websites that ask this unless I trust them.

The 2nd time I clicked on the link to the article related page to see if it happened again later.. I didnt have the same problem...but I dont want to risk sending any members here to a suspect page.

click on it at your own risk..( I spaced the url )

www. xomba.com/breaking_news_nibiru_doomsday_planet_fo und


it then referred to Portland news...


http://portlandnewsandcontent.comyr.com/1_91_Breaking-News-Nibiru-Doomsday-Planet-Found.html


this page took me to the full article and this was the missing part...

The astronomer was asked what his plans and preparations are, to which he replied: “Leave – I am really hoping to God that the Americans have something up their sleeve and really do have either a very large space craft to get as many people off this planet as they can, or some kind of weapon that can take Nibiru out.”
It was at that point the astronomer broke down and couldn’t continue with the interview, and went back into the office building.
A spokeswoman named Ava Faker then appeared and apologized on behalf of the astronomer and said: “I would like to take this opportunity just to state for the record that the events we are witnessing behind those closed doors are very real, we are all shocked and feel extremely powerless in light of the current events.”
“We have issued a warning to our Government and relayed that same message to every Government office around the world.”
“We are asking now that the entire worlds leaders to now come together and devise a strategy of survival for their people, they must lay down arms if these countries are involved in conflicts or non-peaceful actions and start getting their heads together.”
It was on that note the spokeswoman turned away and walked back into the offices.
What this all means is that we as a world, 'Planet Earth' needs to join together and hope we can survive what is about to happen.
A very real and frightening chapter in the Earth’s history is already in its final stages; we must act now and not panic. Then hopefully we will get through this situation surviving to be a better race of human beings.
 
Re: Astronomer claiming that Nibiru has been found

I just found something that makes me requestion it..as it ends up taking me to another page which is trying to sell something...
(snip)
I am not sure if I should post the link, as when I clicked on it..it took me also to another website that wanted me to click ok to access it... I decided to just copy and paste and save the 1st page details... then shut my computer down as I could not close the problem page unless I clicked ok. I am always very vary of websites that ask this unless I trust them.

Holy crap! Why on earth would there be any "if" about it being a hoax? Why on earth would ANY reputable news agency EVER EVER have this kind of phishing going on at their website?

this page took me to the full article and this was the missing part...

The astronomer was asked what his plans and preparations are, to which he replied: “Leave – I am really hoping to God that the Americans have something up their sleeve and really do have either a very large space craft to get as many people off this planet as they can, or some kind of weapon that can take Nibiru out.”
It was at that point the astronomer broke down and couldn’t continue with the interview, and went back into the office building.
A spokeswoman named Ava Faker then appeared and apologized on behalf of the astronomer and said: “I would like to take this opportunity just to state for the record that the events we are witnessing behind those closed doors are very real, we are all shocked and feel extremely powerless in light of the current events.”
“We have issued a warning to our Government and relayed that same message to every Government office around the world.”
“We are asking now that the entire worlds leaders to now come together and devise a strategy of survival for their people, they must lay down arms if these countries are involved in conflicts or non-peaceful actions and start getting their heads together.”
It was on that note the spokeswoman turned away and walked back into the offices.

Oooooooo! Such drama! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/ooo.gif Did you notice what else is missing????? ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER TO VALIDATE THE DRAMATIC STATEMENTS THEY ARE MAKING!!!

What this all means is that we as a world, 'Planet Earth' needs to join together and hope we can survive what is about to happen.

More drama. Here is the antidote. Repeat the following to yourself until you accept it as real:

1) There is no Planet X.
2) As such, earth is going to be fine.
3) The large majority of people on this planet right now will survive through 2012 (and beyond).

RMT
 
ex falso quodlibet.

More drama. Here is the antidote. Repeat the following to yourself until you accept it as real:

1) There is no Planet X.
2) As such, earth is going to be fine.
3) The large majority of people on this planet right now will survive through 2012 (and beyond).

RMT

As Charlie predicted... some are in negation state!
LOLOL!!! RMT

also:
<font color="red"> Then negation introduction and elimination are just special cases of implication introduction (conditional proof) and elimination (modus ponens). In this case one must also add as a primitive rule ex falso quodlibet. [/COLOR]

else:
<font color="blue"> Inverting the condition and reversing the outcomes produces code that is logically equivalent to the original code [/COLOR]


1) There is Planet X.
2) As such, earth is not going to be fine.
3) The large majority of people on this planet right now will not survive through 2012 (and beyond).


:eek:
 
Re: Astronomer claiming that Nibiru has been found

Rainman,

I dont think that you read or fully understood my reply ...

I did say that it was a Hoax...and I appologised for posting it...

so I a bit confused why you replied in such a dramatic way .

/ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif





Oooooooo! Such drama! Did you notice what else is missing????? ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER TO VALIDATE THE DRAMATIC STATEMENTS THEY ARE MAKING!!!
 
535 info...

More on Owls and Whistleblowers....
535 hints
Quoted:

Maybe this will help:
The Markets will start crash on the 25th
Obama will do a national address on the 29th
A Certain country will issue an Official Declaration of War with the US in November 2009
Other Nations will join and it will be 5 nations against 7
"...the Pentagon is shifting spending from other programs to fast forward the development and procurement of the Massive Ordnance Penetrator. The Pentagon comptroller sent a request to shift the funds to the House and Senate Appropriations and Armed Services Committees over the summer.

The comptroller said the Pentagon planned to spend $19.1 million to procure four of the bombs, $28.3 million to accelerate the bomb's "development and testing", and $21 million to accelerate the integration of the bomb onto B-2 stealth bombers.

'Urgent Operational Need'

The notification was tucked inside a 93-page "reprogramming" request that included a couple hundred other more mundane items.

Why now? The notification says simply, "The Department has an Urgent Operational Need (UON) for the capability to strike hard and deeply buried targets in high threat environments. The MOP is the weapon of choice to meet the requirements of the UON." It further states that the request is endorsed by Pacific Command (which has responsibility over North Korea) and Central Command (which has responsibility over Iran).

The request was quietly approved. On Friday, McDonnell Douglas was awarded a $51.9 million contract to provide "Massive Penetrator Ordnance Integration" on B-2 aircraft.

This is not the kind of weapon that would be particularly useful in Iraq or Afghanistan, but it is ideally suited to hit deeply buried nuclear facilities such as Natanz or Qom in Iran.

end quoted
from:
Link to GLP /ttiforum/images/graemlins/devil.gif
 
Re: Astronomer claiming that Nibiru has been found

so I a bit confused why you replied in such a dramatic way .

Hoaxers use drama, and often the drama they use evoke emotions in you that cause you to believe something they say might be possibly going on.

Are you saying it is inappropriate or otherwise "not right" for me to respond to drama with drama of my own?

Oh my God! We're all gonna be imprisoned, and then we are all gonna die! It must be true because I read it from someone who wrote it on the internet.


RMT
 
Re: 535 info...

I think the massive ordinance bomb would be very useful in Afganni. Aside from that, October 25th, I agree with as a much better than not date for crash. There is religious group that does pilgrimages and their pilgrimages coincide with stock market crashes. You have to have a net worth of something like $10M to join religion. They will be vacationing on october 25th in israel-area
 
Re: 535 info...

ps- I'm planning on dumping 100% of my stock portfolio October 23 or 24th. Wait a week, and then buy back in. I figure worse case my stocks went up a bit and I loose out on the uptick and it cost me $100 for trades. Best case, I triple my share holdings.
 
Obama To Sign New World Order TreatRe: 535 info...

You may be right Recall as my dates have not worked out..

Seeing the Dow hit 10,000 can be a reversal level... But my Own timing didnt work to plan as the market has remain strong... also when markets hit their 50% retracement levels of prior big high low ranges... these levels can reverse as well... 10320 on the Dow is the mid level of the last two year range..

If it doesnt turn this week I dont have any strong cycles until around 17th Nov then Dec 21st.

This is a disturbing video for the western world about Obamas plans....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvC251KmlHU&amp;feature=player_profilepage
 
Re: ex falso quodlibet.

else:
Inverting the condition and reversing the outcomes produces code that is logically equivalent to the original code


1) There is Planet X.
2) As such, earth is not going to be fine.
3) The large majority of people on this planet right now will not survive through 2012 (and beyond).

All with absolutely ZERO defacto evidence. That makes you an evil, fearmongering fool. Perhaps recall is the third antichrist?

So how many of your predictions you have posted on this forum have come true, recall? How about absolutely zero? Yes, that would be the right number. And just like all the last ones, Oct 25th will come and go without your prediction coming to pass.

RMT
 
Obama To Sign New World Order TreatRe: 535 info...

This is a disturbing video for the western world about Obamas plans....

You've got to be kidding.....

Would you be disturbed to know that ponytail-and-sunglass-dude is NOT telling you some important facts? You should. He is selling the belief that Obama can simply sign a treaty and that action gives-up sovereignty of the US and its people. But here are the facts he is not telling you (again to raise emotions in you and get you scared):

Ratification of an International Treaty

quote:
<font color="red"> "In the U.S.A., treaty ratification must be advised and consented to by a two-thirds majority in the U.S. Senate. The Senate does not actually ratify treaties. Once the Senate has given its advice and consent to ratification, the President ratifies the treaty by signing an instrument of ratification. While the United States House of Representatives does not vote on it at all, the requirement for Senate advice and consent to ratification makes it considerably more difficult in the US than in other democracies to rally enough political support for international treaties." [/COLOR]

Even if Obama does sign it, I can absolutely guarantee you that there is already enough opposition to Obama in this country, and the Senate, that he will never EVER get a 2/3 majority of the Senate to consent to ratify this nonsense.

RMT
 
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