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creedo299
Epochal Historian
Dear Sig, this may have to do with an item known as introns, or founding genes,
There is both happenstance and configuration of someone fooling around with these in this John Titor case and no' I'm not in on it to my knowledge.
Introns are founding genes, the very genes we are composed of.
This is what the idea of the movie the X-Files was al about in the beginning, the corruption or infiltration of the founding genes.
It's you Sig.You look at yourself in the mirror and say, well I know Sigmund and therefore if what's in that cave is made of me, well I know me and I can go right in?
Once your in the cave, you go forward and get a little closer and it's you alright, but it picks you up off the ground by the throat and it's not a little puddycat.
I don't think in these threads you have any idea what you're getting into, even with your fine medical senses.
It is a territory far too deep and full of peril, for even the most experienced.
There is both happenstance and configuration of someone fooling around with these in this John Titor case and no' I'm not in on it to my knowledge.
Introns are founding genes, the very genes we are composed of.
This is what the idea of the movie the X-Files was al about in the beginning, the corruption or infiltration of the founding genes.
It's you Sig.You look at yourself in the mirror and say, well I know Sigmund and therefore if what's in that cave is made of me, well I know me and I can go right in?
Once your in the cave, you go forward and get a little closer and it's you alright, but it picks you up off the ground by the throat and it's not a little puddycat.
I don't think in these threads you have any idea what you're getting into, even with your fine medical senses.
It is a territory far too deep and full of peril, for even the most experienced.
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Come on now, Creedo! If you have ANY capability in RV as you seem to advertise, then you should easily be able to "see" that Siegmund ain't going to buy into fear-mongering like this!
Whaddya think, Sieg....maybe Creedo should read Celestine Prophecy?
RainmanTime
creedo299
Epochal Historian
What I'm saying, is that neither one of you know the playing field.
You two don't know what's going on here and this is what you're both tripping into.
Introns are the very basic parts of how humans are put together.
What if the scenario is how someone is fooling around with these and the entire Titor bit is just a smoke screen?
And no I won't comment on your girl friend's extremely fine legs, nor her brand of perfume nor how it gets you excited to the point where you almost bust out of your pants..?
It's none of my busniess and I'm not interested in any R.V.ing here?
Celestine, read it, might not apply here.
You two don't know what's going on here and this is what you're both tripping into.
Introns are the very basic parts of how humans are put together.
What if the scenario is how someone is fooling around with these and the entire Titor bit is just a smoke screen?
And no I won't comment on your girl friend's extremely fine legs, nor her brand of perfume nor how it gets you excited to the point where you almost bust out of your pants..?
It's none of my busniess and I'm not interested in any R.V.ing here?
Celestine, read it, might not apply here.
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Nice try, Creedo....but you are pretty far from the mark. It shows you are not as strong in your RV as you think you are. I currently have no girlfriend. I am not even a "leg man".
And that's where you are wrong...again. Quantum Theory is already heading down the path to teach us that our non-physicals (Spirit/Soul/Mind) are "entangled" with our physicals. One creates the other. Understanding how your mental/spiritual focus is what creates the "coincidences" in your life is a MAJOR understanding that everyone needs to come around to.
Aliens, vampires, and wayward comets do not create our reality. WE DO. We only use the aliens, vampires, and comets as signposts to tell us what to create next.
YOU are the one who needs to awaken to what is going on, Creedo. Honestly. I say this in all the conviction of my heart. The "solution" is so much more simple than all the complexity you like to weave into things.
Just do it,
RainmanTime
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
As it should be! The great Masters of our religious traditions did NOT teach out of fear. They did not play upon people's fears to get them to "believe". Jesus Christ told of the glory of God's Kingdom. He did not sling fire and brimstone, warning people about what would happen if they didn't act on their fears.
The meek shall inherit the earth!
I thank my Catholic education (one of the few things I CAN thank the Catholic Church for!) for my education is what allows me to remain calm, and fearless in the face of things that others may find fearful.
Creedo, do you HONESTLY think it is a good thing to dwell on, and contemplate actions in your life, based on what you are AFRAID of? If so, I feel sorry for you.
RainmanTime
He might be talking about a girlfriend of mine, but I'm not sure which one. Is it Rita? Or are you talking about Lisa? Neither of them have "legs" per se, but they each do have five appendages, or should I say "digits"?
You're so full of it creedo! But you are entertaining, so I will have to beat my girlfriends together for you!
You're so full of it creedo! But you are entertaining, so I will have to beat my girlfriends together for you!
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
ROTFLMAO!
You'd better keep an eye on your girlfriends! One of them was wanting to fool around with me last week!
RainmanTime
creedo299
Epochal Historian
Legal note:Because of poster Creedo 299s past endeavors concerning certain industries, because of any on-posting-board associations dealing with belief systems, poster Creedo 299 is not necessarily allegiant to any clique, or belief group, concerning posting on this board.
Note it was after a certain past time period, that I had no choice but to divest any said cultural stance.
In otherwords, it was not a social or belief cause, that had caused my divesting from certain other groups.
Thank you,
Note it was after a certain past time period, that I had no choice but to divest any said cultural stance.
In otherwords, it was not a social or belief cause, that had caused my divesting from certain other groups.
Thank you,
Gonna have to agree here... There's nothing in any of these posts to Prove one way or the other ..(just like all the other websites) . I have been lurking around here for a while now even before I set up an account and I've visited and read just about all the sites having to do with the TiTor / TT_0 story. I have yet to see any REAL proof of the story being true or False.
In fact, As time progresses and things come true I find myself leaning more towards the possibility that this story has at least SOME truth to it rather than agreeing with the Debunkers.
In Closing, However, PLease Keep working on this ...You may yet find the needle in the haystack that will unequivically prove this story TRUE or FALSE...
-Bas
In fact, As time progresses and things come true I find myself leaning more towards the possibility that this story has at least SOME truth to it rather than agreeing with the Debunkers.
In Closing, However, PLease Keep working on this ...You may yet find the needle in the haystack that will unequivically prove this story TRUE or FALSE...
-Bas
Darby
Epochal Historian
BastionK,
You're going to find some truth in the Titor Saga if for no other reason than the topics that he chose to speak to.
If you check all of his topical material and then Google for articles on the same subjects while focusing on the same time frame as his posts you'll discover that he didn't talk about anything that wasn't already a hot topic on the Internet.
If you couple that with the fact that
1) he kept everything extremely vague;
2) he targeted a specific audience;
3) he was speaking to potential Believers;
you might recognize that he was taking people that he targeted down the current Dan Rather Path. They want to believe therefore they will find only the information that supports their system of belief and conclude that it is more likely true than not.
For the sake of argument I'll concede for that limited purpose that the story could be true. That being the case, the truth testing applied to this story by both the majority of anti-Titors and the Believers is appallingly inadequate. They are shooting from the hip and the heart instead of from the brain.
The physics part of the story is very easy to dismiss. Even if a community member currently has little or no knowledge of physical science they can do the homework, spend some time doing the self-education and then compare science fact to the story.
This story does not come down to a matter of Titor's having access to physics that we are not currently aware of.
In the case of a real time traveler that would be the case. But whatever that new information would be it would not be unphysical, meaning that it would not violate virtually every known law of physics.
Physics doesn't change. Our knowledge of physics does change and in every case where it changes it incorporates the old ideas completely into the new theory and extends the old theory. For example, in Special and General Relativity you will find Newtonian Mechanics fully and faithfully described. It is consistent with Newton until velocities become extreme and/or gravitational fields become extreme.
The differences also pop out if you look very closely at a situation such as the tiny but important relativistic effects involved with the GPS system because the satellites are in space and orbiting the Earth. Those satellites are moving WRT the ground receivers and are in a less intense gravitational field than the ground receivers.
But were getting far off topic on my thread here.
The purpose of this thread is to explain the connection between the John Titor Foundation, Celebration, Florida and how TimeTravel_O/John Titor initially just happened by "coincidence" to land on this site.
We've completely cleared up any involvement by Raul/MOP. He simply posted a hotlink to this site on the Celebration, Florida community BBS while he was the SysAdmin and Moderator. He also posted hotlinks on the Celebration BBS to several other sites that he owned and operated.
It wasn't a coincidence that a BBS member in Celebration happened to land here. It's also no coincidence that the John Titor Foundation is located in Celebration, Florida nor is it a coincidence that Group Titor chose a high priced entertainment industry attorney, Larry Haber, to be their attorney.
If all Group Titor had in mind was to copyright the Titor self-published book and to form a limited liability corporation any attorney or paralegal would have sufficed. But they chose Haber, also a Celebration, Florida resident (actually the first resident of that community). His office is at 606 Front Street, Celebration, Florida. The John Titor Foundation's mailing address is the same. The same address also houses a movie studio, sound recording studio, graphics arts studio and a radio/TV/print ad agency. Haber is involved in those businesses.
Do we actually need to prove that the story is untrue? No - it was Titor's obligation to prove that it was true.
But we can ask ourselves if it took a genius and tons of money to produce the Titor documents and "black box" or...
...is it possible that with a sound studio, movie studio and graphic arts studio available could everything that was proferred be easily created in that environment?
We can also ask ourselves, "Celebration, Florida?!"
Given the context of Titor's Politics which is not Libertarian but Libertarian themes wrapped in Maoist-Leninist dialectic why on God's green Earth would his "mother" choose Celebration, Florida to house Titor's Foundation? Celebration, Florida and Larry Haber represent his enemy - the very people that he would have his Russian allies invite to the nuclear BBQ. Celebration is anathema to everything that Titor said he hated. Money, luxory, capitalism, consumerism, privilege, elitism. A non sequitur.
Money is the bottom line here - not politics or physics. If safety, security, secrecy and a pending nuclear war that will kill 3 billion people was the issue hiring an entertainment lawyer and initiating a product sales campaign on the Internet is a bit of a stretch and another non sequitur.
You're going to find some truth in the Titor Saga if for no other reason than the topics that he chose to speak to.
If you check all of his topical material and then Google for articles on the same subjects while focusing on the same time frame as his posts you'll discover that he didn't talk about anything that wasn't already a hot topic on the Internet.
If you couple that with the fact that
1) he kept everything extremely vague;
2) he targeted a specific audience;
3) he was speaking to potential Believers;
you might recognize that he was taking people that he targeted down the current Dan Rather Path. They want to believe therefore they will find only the information that supports their system of belief and conclude that it is more likely true than not.
For the sake of argument I'll concede for that limited purpose that the story could be true. That being the case, the truth testing applied to this story by both the majority of anti-Titors and the Believers is appallingly inadequate. They are shooting from the hip and the heart instead of from the brain.
The physics part of the story is very easy to dismiss. Even if a community member currently has little or no knowledge of physical science they can do the homework, spend some time doing the self-education and then compare science fact to the story.
This story does not come down to a matter of Titor's having access to physics that we are not currently aware of.
In the case of a real time traveler that would be the case. But whatever that new information would be it would not be unphysical, meaning that it would not violate virtually every known law of physics.
Physics doesn't change. Our knowledge of physics does change and in every case where it changes it incorporates the old ideas completely into the new theory and extends the old theory. For example, in Special and General Relativity you will find Newtonian Mechanics fully and faithfully described. It is consistent with Newton until velocities become extreme and/or gravitational fields become extreme.
The differences also pop out if you look very closely at a situation such as the tiny but important relativistic effects involved with the GPS system because the satellites are in space and orbiting the Earth. Those satellites are moving WRT the ground receivers and are in a less intense gravitational field than the ground receivers.
But were getting far off topic on my thread here.
The purpose of this thread is to explain the connection between the John Titor Foundation, Celebration, Florida and how TimeTravel_O/John Titor initially just happened by "coincidence" to land on this site.
We've completely cleared up any involvement by Raul/MOP. He simply posted a hotlink to this site on the Celebration, Florida community BBS while he was the SysAdmin and Moderator. He also posted hotlinks on the Celebration BBS to several other sites that he owned and operated.
It wasn't a coincidence that a BBS member in Celebration happened to land here. It's also no coincidence that the John Titor Foundation is located in Celebration, Florida nor is it a coincidence that Group Titor chose a high priced entertainment industry attorney, Larry Haber, to be their attorney.
If all Group Titor had in mind was to copyright the Titor self-published book and to form a limited liability corporation any attorney or paralegal would have sufficed. But they chose Haber, also a Celebration, Florida resident (actually the first resident of that community). His office is at 606 Front Street, Celebration, Florida. The John Titor Foundation's mailing address is the same. The same address also houses a movie studio, sound recording studio, graphics arts studio and a radio/TV/print ad agency. Haber is involved in those businesses.
Do we actually need to prove that the story is untrue? No - it was Titor's obligation to prove that it was true.
But we can ask ourselves if it took a genius and tons of money to produce the Titor documents and "black box" or...
...is it possible that with a sound studio, movie studio and graphic arts studio available could everything that was proferred be easily created in that environment?
We can also ask ourselves, "Celebration, Florida?!"
Given the context of Titor's Politics which is not Libertarian but Libertarian themes wrapped in Maoist-Leninist dialectic why on God's green Earth would his "mother" choose Celebration, Florida to house Titor's Foundation? Celebration, Florida and Larry Haber represent his enemy - the very people that he would have his Russian allies invite to the nuclear BBQ. Celebration is anathema to everything that Titor said he hated. Money, luxory, capitalism, consumerism, privilege, elitism. A non sequitur.
Money is the bottom line here - not politics or physics. If safety, security, secrecy and a pending nuclear war that will kill 3 billion people was the issue hiring an entertainment lawyer and initiating a product sales campaign on the Internet is a bit of a stretch and another non sequitur.
creedo299
Epochal Historian
Re:I\'m not sayin that this is what happened
Base a time travel op in reality.
The powers that be know this.
Then pick innocent bystanders and recruit them into the event of time travel itself.
Either erase their memories, or totally build false memories.
Build a cover in mythology about such an op.
Base a time travel op in reality.
The powers that be know this.
Then pick innocent bystanders and recruit them into the event of time travel itself.
Either erase their memories, or totally build false memories.
Build a cover in mythology about such an op.
Well, what about the Hawking radition. Can he over come that now? ;-)
This "Group Titor" sounds like people who read about the story and might want to make a movie if the story gets big. Doesn't mean they wrote it though. The Titor story is very underground. Nobody is making money off it. NObody knows about it. If they hear about it, any "message" is lost in the absudity of it and they just say "Bah, thats horrible".
If you were Titor, how would you have proven it was true?
Razimus
Temporal Navigator
I agree, I think the owner of this site is one of the co-hoaxers. Both this site & johntitor.com were registered using an obscure company called GoDaddy.com, there are thousands upon thousands of these domain registration companies out there, the chances timetravelinstitute.com & johntitor.com would be registered through the same company is very rare. Unless there was a connection, either associates, or the same person.
Darby
Epochal Historian
Razimus,
I agree that GoDaddy.com is an odd coincidence just as the other "intersects" are strange.
However, I've had many private conversations with Raul and I've concluded that it is extremely unlikely that he was involved other than as a SysAdmin.
As you can see here, Raul, even though he owns the site rarely posts. He doesn't have time for that. Titor spent a considerable amount of time, especially during the very early morning hours, posting. Raul simply didn't have that sort of "play time" to spend on the hoax. He had several large corporate accounts to service by setting up and running their advertising and web sites.
Anything's possible, but Raul isn't a likely target.
I agree that GoDaddy.com is an odd coincidence just as the other "intersects" are strange.
However, I've had many private conversations with Raul and I've concluded that it is extremely unlikely that he was involved other than as a SysAdmin.
As you can see here, Raul, even though he owns the site rarely posts. He doesn't have time for that. Titor spent a considerable amount of time, especially during the very early morning hours, posting. Raul simply didn't have that sort of "play time" to spend on the hoax. He had several large corporate accounts to service by setting up and running their advertising and web sites.
Anything's possible, but Raul isn't a likely target.
Darby
Epochal Historian
newbie_O,
When I said that he didn't speak to any topics that weren't already hot on the Web I was refering to topics that he brought up.
I brought up the topic of Hawking Radiation. He obviously didn't understand what Hawking Radiation is and he gave a weak answer - he can control it.
I agree with you that not many people have even heard of Titor. There might be as many as 100 people who have read all of the posts and maybe 50 people who regularly discuss the topic.
I also agree that the JTF isn't making any real money off of the story right now. But their intent is to do so. They didn't hire Larry Haber by looking at random in the Yellow Pages. John Titor dot Com didn't blitz hundreds of sites with phony posts, all virtually worded the same (the first several paragraphs from the johntitor.com homepage), just to get people to look at the site for no reason. It's become the online merchandising site for the JTF.
Money is the issue - but that doesn't guarantee success.
I'm pretty well convinced, based on several private sources, that Group Titor indeed wrote the posts. Larry Haber wouldn't be involved in copyrighting materials for the JTF if they didn't convince him that they had the legal right to do so. The intellectual property, Titor's posts, were written by the JTF.
When I said that he didn't speak to any topics that weren't already hot on the Web I was refering to topics that he brought up.
I brought up the topic of Hawking Radiation. He obviously didn't understand what Hawking Radiation is and he gave a weak answer - he can control it.
I agree with you that not many people have even heard of Titor. There might be as many as 100 people who have read all of the posts and maybe 50 people who regularly discuss the topic.
I also agree that the JTF isn't making any real money off of the story right now. But their intent is to do so. They didn't hire Larry Haber by looking at random in the Yellow Pages. John Titor dot Com didn't blitz hundreds of sites with phony posts, all virtually worded the same (the first several paragraphs from the johntitor.com homepage), just to get people to look at the site for no reason. It's become the online merchandising site for the JTF.
Money is the issue - but that doesn't guarantee success.
I'm pretty well convinced, based on several private sources, that Group Titor indeed wrote the posts. Larry Haber wouldn't be involved in copyrighting materials for the JTF if they didn't convince him that they had the legal right to do so. The intellectual property, Titor's posts, were written by the JTF.