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You can't be serious, surely? Apart from the stightly more inventive ones (that are still plausible, but unlikely), all this is just logic and common sense.
Tell me i didn't just read that?!!
Anyway, enlighten me - at which point during your forced military operations do they let you read about employment statistics, and industrial development?
Black-Ops sure are letting their standards slip these days...
Tell me i didn't just read that?!!
Anyway, enlighten me - at which point during your forced military operations do they let you read about employment statistics, and industrial development?
Black-Ops sure are letting their standards slip these days...
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: Question #3
Did someone change the 1st amendment in the US while I was on the Reef? Certainly justhere is free to post his nonsense here...just as much as I am free to post my rebuttals... and you are free to post your moral/ethical preaching. Unless you have a "thing" for trying to control people and make them act the way YOU approve of TTA, you should have no problem with freedom of speech.
RMT
And do you now fashion yourself the gatekeeper? Last I heard from Mop, no one has complained to him that I have offended them.
Thank you for your own version of trying to cram your spiritual message down my throat. For all the preaching you have done to me in this thread, TTA, I see you doing the exact same thing that you accuse me of doing...which BTW I do NOT do, as I do NOT force my beliefs on anyone. This sounds an awful lot like the same rhetoric you used against "destroyingangel".
Did someone change the 1st amendment in the US while I was on the Reef? Certainly justhere is free to post his nonsense here...just as much as I am free to post my rebuttals... and you are free to post your moral/ethical preaching. Unless you have a "thing" for trying to control people and make them act the way YOU approve of TTA, you should have no problem with freedom of speech.
RMT
Re: Question #3
RMT,
Do I fashion my self as the gatekeeper? Is there someone else you believe I am taking the title away from, because if there is please let me know?
You can call it what you want Ray, I merely just called you on terrorizing the inexperienced, just as you strongly believe and wish others to believe they TOO are terrorizing the future.
Obviously if this one act alone has sparked so much resentment and hostility in you, you need help.
You mistook my "idea" as something spiritual Ray? Very well... take it or don't take it. It makes no difference to me.
What preaching are you talking about RMT? You’re the one who’s continuously preaching about those claiming to be from the future are hoaxers and fakes, and are making a negative view of the future, that you cannot stand. Your justified intentions to do something about it is all you need to ruthlessly make an example of them.
What is it your calling it "polluting potential futures?"
I guess that makes it ok then?
Which was what Ray?
Settle done Ray. No one is taking your rights away, especially not the TTA.
You can be as big of a jerk as you wish to be in your postings, just follow the “general terms.â€
And if your not being offensive, you have nothing to worry about.
With that said, how about a compromise?
Establish those guidelines of questions, make the appropriate disclaimer, and if anyone who posts knowing that, you have it under your right to approach the questions of the “claimer†however you wish. You may want to check with MOP first if this would be appropriate, after all this is his board, and he does have “general terms†of conduct in place.
Have a pleasant day,
TTA
RMT,
Do I fashion my self as the gatekeeper? Is there someone else you believe I am taking the title away from, because if there is please let me know?
You can call it what you want Ray, I merely just called you on terrorizing the inexperienced, just as you strongly believe and wish others to believe they TOO are terrorizing the future.
Obviously if this one act alone has sparked so much resentment and hostility in you, you need help.
You mistook my "idea" as something spiritual Ray? Very well... take it or don't take it. It makes no difference to me.
What preaching are you talking about RMT? You’re the one who’s continuously preaching about those claiming to be from the future are hoaxers and fakes, and are making a negative view of the future, that you cannot stand. Your justified intentions to do something about it is all you need to ruthlessly make an example of them.
What is it your calling it "polluting potential futures?"
I guess that makes it ok then?
Which was what Ray?
Settle done Ray. No one is taking your rights away, especially not the TTA.
You can be as big of a jerk as you wish to be in your postings, just follow the “general terms.â€
And if your not being offensive, you have nothing to worry about.
With that said, how about a compromise?
Establish those guidelines of questions, make the appropriate disclaimer, and if anyone who posts knowing that, you have it under your right to approach the questions of the “claimer†however you wish. You may want to check with MOP first if this would be appropriate, after all this is his board, and he does have “general terms†of conduct in place.
Have a pleasant day,
TTA
Re: Question #3
I only see someone come on here with a pretty bad story thats more suited to anomalies (sorry darby /ttiforum/images/graemlins/cry.gif) then TTI.
I dont see anyone here personally attacking Justhere. Just mercilessly tearing his 'account' (not him) apart for what it really is. Which is quite valid under the TTI rules.
I only see someone come on here with a pretty bad story thats more suited to anomalies (sorry darby /ttiforum/images/graemlins/cry.gif) then TTI.
I dont see anyone here personally attacking Justhere. Just mercilessly tearing his 'account' (not him) apart for what it really is. Which is quite valid under the TTI rules.
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: Question #3
TTA,
RMT
TTA,
As always, you wish to twist the conversation in a direction that is more comfortable for you and your judging. My point when I said:
Was merely to inform you that I have contacted Mop, and despite all of your high-handed scolding of me as being offensive, no one has as yet complained to Mop that I have offended them. Are you going to do so? I should also point out to you, and the others who might be reading this wonderful discussion, that I have never been banned from this forum in the past for inappropriate behavior. Can you say as much, TTA?
As I have said before, you can go ahead and judge me as you wish. How much hostility must there be in you for you to continue to lay judgements about my character such as this? Perhaps you should conduct a public poll for each and every one of the judgements you levy against RainmanTime... let's see how many other people agree with your view. I am not afraid of what others (especially you) think of me.
Regardless of whether you call it spiritual, that is not my point. My point is that you seem to wish me to act in a certain way. If you are as experienced in life as you like to portray yourself, you should not be surprised when people don't adhere to the way you would wish for them to act. I've said it before to others: You do your thing, I'll do mine. If you feel offended, report me. But again, I have yet to be banned. In fact, I might even guess that some of those whom I have tangled with in the past might not hold so much hostility to me as you appear to hold towards me. Let's say MEM... clearly we have had our "moments". And he has even thrown a few insulting words at me. Do I want him banned, or have I reported him? No. Should he report me? If he wishes to, he is free to, that is for certain. But so far he has not.
Ahhh...you are asking for specifics, eh? Interesting because you so love to generalize in your judgements of me without providing specifics. Tell you what: I will provide specifics of your own preaching when you provide me some specifics related to this accusation you lay on me:
Please show me where I force anyone to accept my view of the future. Moreover, I don't think you can find anywhere that I was pretending to be someone I am not as a means to make people believe that our future holds nothing but hate, evil, gloom, and doom.
Again, this coming from the person who was banned for not following the general terms. So far, it is only you claiming that I have offended someone... if that someone is you, go ahead and report me. It really is as simple as that. I am not sure why you need such repeated theatrics with regard to this. You have a venue to lodge your complaint against me. Yet instead you just continue to preach to me in this thread. And in the same breath you say *I* have a problem? Look in the mirror. Is it possible you have a problem too?
Whatever are you talking about? Are you, in essence, saying that I should simply set out one set of guidelines for how I might wish to debunk a "time traveler"? Or IOW you wish for me to only commit to using one arrow in my entire quiver? Now that would be silly, wouldn't it? Perhaps you should do the same?
Tell you what...since it is your idea, and you seem to think it is such a fine one, then perhaps you would like to do the footwork for this? Why should I do the legwork for your idea (one which I am not quite sure I understand the purpose for anyway).
And you do the same, TTA.
RMT
Re: Question #3
RMT,
You said:
Ray, how about just answering the question, instead of insisting that it's some “tactic†setup to trick you. The TTA will not do that to you, I assure you.
If I happen to ask you a question, it's not to twist the conversation to judge you, but to really get a broader meaning of what your asking me.
Any show of similarities put in an analogical way as you do, is just that, not a judgment -not a twist.
You said:
Generally speaking, your posts can be taken as offensive. It's not up to me to notify MOP about you, it's ultimately up to others if they so choose. And as you can see from the polls and the visits to this thread, the consensus is obviously disproportional.
That's a good one Ray. No I cannot say the same. The TTA has been banned here once before for supposedly "inappropriate behavior." However, I would argue that many of those times when I was banned, it was a misunderstanding. Grant it now things are more lenient and laid back here. But back in my time on the TTI forum, people were being banned left and right, and I am certain you would have been one of them as well, yeap right along side the TTA
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Ray, you know I didn't have a problem with you before I came back on here. Even after we had our clash and I lost respect for you -for your dehumanizing approach with the TTA, I let it go and moved on, and forgave you. But when I saw you were attempting to do the same thing to this kid, I just had to say; "Ray, that's not right, how about chilling out man?" Or something along those lines.
I am not continuing to lay judgments on you Ray, I am merely reiterating the original ones. And as you keep posting, I’am simply just letting you know this.
That's very nice Ray... thank you for sharing your thoughts with me.
However, I am not mandating you to act in any way, other then just telling you of the rules here.
For example: it's illegal to cross the border right?
Do you think that's going to stop anyone from crossing it?
The TTA just had an idea of proper conduct with another human being, you are under no obligation of mine to adhere to it.
I agree, if someone is offended, let them report you.
You said:
Ray, there is so much in this thread alone to support this. I don't think I have to post it all here, and aggravate you any further on your vacation. But if you want, or if anyone else wants, they can simply just go back and read the thread from the beginning to end to determine the quality of your character if they so wish, and post what they think.
Is it not clear to you Ray? It's your relentlessness in how you approach posters who say they are from the future and how you choose to answer them.
Now how you force them to view and accept your view of the future, I think this post best says it:
http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=ttclaims&Number=18972&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=76&vc=1
Captioned here:
Here how it works (IMO):
Now, you take their view of the future and your own. Obviously you do not like their view, so you attack it and call them names. So by default, yours is all that remains after you defeat them, ultimately subjugating their view in place of your own.
Sorta like a game of War and Conquest.
Hahaha /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif alright Ray. Yes, the TTA was banned before. But like I said, some of those incidents were hardly my fault.
Let's see the counts: I was NOT banned from the Art Bell forum, I believe the forum just went offline after someone decided it so. On Anamolies, I had an on going conflict with Rick D. (totally classic, you should have seen it, there was a main event daily) but I think I was re-instated after it had it's shake-down. Once here as the TTA for calling Creedo, (only after I was encouraged to do so, btw). And then once again for my other account here as "Enforcer of Time" for showing up after I was banned. And finally on the TTFourm; I only posted a few times there, I was attacked by some vigilante kids for some Anti-Time-Cop rule they had and banned me (I was named a Legend though /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif). Now present day, I've learned from my mistakes, that’s how I am experienced in proper inter-human conduct.
The TTA does not go hunting for hoaxers (metaphorically speaking), nor do I use how you been putting it these past few days, "tactics" to make anyone post according to my will.
I make do with what I have, and what I know. Yes, this may be limiting to some others, but it seems to have gotten the job done sufficiently, well more or less.
This idea was previously proposed by others here on the Time Travel Claims threads, I am only reiterating what many have already expressed a desire for. Does it not get tired hearing the same old story time and time again?
I don't intent to be posting on a long-term basis, perhaps you can collaborative with the other fine minded intellectuals in here and come up with something creative?
Or just post however you like, regardless of the "general terms."
Again, you don't have to follow the rules, it's not up to me to enforce, I did not make the rules. I am only stating what they are.
But as far as I am concerned, you can post whatever you want RMT. I think the kid got the point, and it may be some time until another eager Time Traveler crosses your path again.
Until then... enjoy your vacation :D.
TTA
RMT,
You said:
Ray, how about just answering the question, instead of insisting that it's some “tactic†setup to trick you. The TTA will not do that to you, I assure you.
If I happen to ask you a question, it's not to twist the conversation to judge you, but to really get a broader meaning of what your asking me.
Any show of similarities put in an analogical way as you do, is just that, not a judgment -not a twist.
You said:
Generally speaking, your posts can be taken as offensive. It's not up to me to notify MOP about you, it's ultimately up to others if they so choose. And as you can see from the polls and the visits to this thread, the consensus is obviously disproportional.
That's a good one Ray. No I cannot say the same. The TTA has been banned here once before for supposedly "inappropriate behavior." However, I would argue that many of those times when I was banned, it was a misunderstanding. Grant it now things are more lenient and laid back here. But back in my time on the TTI forum, people were being banned left and right, and I am certain you would have been one of them as well, yeap right along side the TTA
Ray, you know I didn't have a problem with you before I came back on here. Even after we had our clash and I lost respect for you -for your dehumanizing approach with the TTA, I let it go and moved on, and forgave you. But when I saw you were attempting to do the same thing to this kid, I just had to say; "Ray, that's not right, how about chilling out man?" Or something along those lines.
I am not continuing to lay judgments on you Ray, I am merely reiterating the original ones. And as you keep posting, I’am simply just letting you know this.
That's very nice Ray... thank you for sharing your thoughts with me.
However, I am not mandating you to act in any way, other then just telling you of the rules here.
For example: it's illegal to cross the border right?
Do you think that's going to stop anyone from crossing it?
The TTA just had an idea of proper conduct with another human being, you are under no obligation of mine to adhere to it.
I agree, if someone is offended, let them report you.
You said:
Ray, there is so much in this thread alone to support this. I don't think I have to post it all here, and aggravate you any further on your vacation. But if you want, or if anyone else wants, they can simply just go back and read the thread from the beginning to end to determine the quality of your character if they so wish, and post what they think.
Is it not clear to you Ray? It's your relentlessness in how you approach posters who say they are from the future and how you choose to answer them.
Now how you force them to view and accept your view of the future, I think this post best says it:
http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=ttclaims&Number=18972&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=76&vc=1
Captioned here:
Here how it works (IMO):
Now, you take their view of the future and your own. Obviously you do not like their view, so you attack it and call them names. So by default, yours is all that remains after you defeat them, ultimately subjugating their view in place of your own.
Sorta like a game of War and Conquest.
Hahaha /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif alright Ray. Yes, the TTA was banned before. But like I said, some of those incidents were hardly my fault.
Let's see the counts: I was NOT banned from the Art Bell forum, I believe the forum just went offline after someone decided it so. On Anamolies, I had an on going conflict with Rick D. (totally classic, you should have seen it, there was a main event daily) but I think I was re-instated after it had it's shake-down. Once here as the TTA for calling Creedo, (only after I was encouraged to do so, btw). And then once again for my other account here as "Enforcer of Time" for showing up after I was banned. And finally on the TTFourm; I only posted a few times there, I was attacked by some vigilante kids for some Anti-Time-Cop rule they had and banned me (I was named a Legend though /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif). Now present day, I've learned from my mistakes, that’s how I am experienced in proper inter-human conduct.
The TTA does not go hunting for hoaxers (metaphorically speaking), nor do I use how you been putting it these past few days, "tactics" to make anyone post according to my will.
I make do with what I have, and what I know. Yes, this may be limiting to some others, but it seems to have gotten the job done sufficiently, well more or less.
This idea was previously proposed by others here on the Time Travel Claims threads, I am only reiterating what many have already expressed a desire for. Does it not get tired hearing the same old story time and time again?
I don't intent to be posting on a long-term basis, perhaps you can collaborative with the other fine minded intellectuals in here and come up with something creative?
Or just post however you like, regardless of the "general terms."
Again, you don't have to follow the rules, it's not up to me to enforce, I did not make the rules. I am only stating what they are.
But as far as I am concerned, you can post whatever you want RMT. I think the kid got the point, and it may be some time until another eager Time Traveler crosses your path again.
Until then... enjoy your vacation :D.
TTA
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: Question #3
The above could amount to slander and/or defamation of character. You could be skating on VERY thin ice if you have no proof to your allegation, Dan. You ought to be VERY careful, or you might just get a call from my lawyer.
RMT
You'd better be damn sure before you accuse me of the first accusation, Creedo, because that would be breaking the law... and I can assure you that I did NOT perpetrate any such action as this on you or anyone else.
The above could amount to slander and/or defamation of character. You could be skating on VERY thin ice if you have no proof to your allegation, Dan. You ought to be VERY careful, or you might just get a call from my lawyer.
RMT
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: Question #3
Anything beyond this is superfluous, IMO, and you are free to have and post whatever opinions you have about me. And most likely, I will not even report you to the Mop even if I feel offended. But I do reserve the right to respond in kind.
End of story, AFAIAC.
RMT
Very good. Something we both appear to agree upon.
So far, I don't see a huge groundswell of votes claiming that I did violate the rules, and a fairly equal amount of people who feel I do follow the rules. So who is to be the ultimate judge? And if those who think I violated the rules are that deeply offended, then we agree (per the above) that they are free to report me and have me tossed. I'm down with that. But the same should be true of ALL people who offend others, and I could rightly report people who have offended me (but I am big enough to let it go). It would evolve into an endless cycle that moves closer and closer to totalitarianism and further and further away from free speech. One of my favorite points about our US Constitution's Bill Of Rights is that nowhere is there defined a right to be free from being offended by others. A lot of comedians would be in jail if there were! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Anything beyond this is superfluous, IMO, and you are free to have and post whatever opinions you have about me. And most likely, I will not even report you to the Mop even if I feel offended. But I do reserve the right to respond in kind.
End of story, AFAIAC.
RMT