believe me or not, its hard to understand

Re: Question #3

lol this thread has digressed a bit
Yes, indeed it has. It went from a debunking of our latest TT claimant (justhere) to an attack on me. And who is responsible for that?


RMT
 
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RMT,

Personally, I do not believe that you stepped over the line at all. If these alleged Time Travelers want to post on this forum and try to make us believe that they are from our future, then so be it. Their stories will get debunked unless they can come back with the PROOF of being a time traveler. I find it hard to believe that someone can travel through time and not know anything about the machine he/she traveled in and/or time travel itself. Imagination is one thing but improper grammar, lack of sufficient evidence/support/storyline and the dodging of questions asked by experts is another.

The people/liars that come on here claiming to be something they are not should be delt with in the way it has been handled by RMT. If you want imagination, maybe we should open up an imagination thread so that these people won't need to pretend that they are TT's. They will still be able to make up their stories and it will then eliminate the debunking of them! Some of these stories are pretty good and could gather some interest if they weren't all played out to be REAL time travel stories.

-Roo

PS- It's getting every close to blueberry season RMT. As I drive through town, I see the blueberrys getting riper!
 
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I should again make it clear to you that I have studied the TTA quite thoroughly. As long as the TTA is comfortable with someone using the TTA's own tactics on the TTA, then feel free to continue in your comfort.

Boast all you want. But your retaliation is clearly evident in your post.

Why? Does the TTA have a concern about what people think about him, and his actions? It would seem from this statement that the TTA does care about what people think about him.

One may even say the same thing about you Ray and your unwillingness to let things go. Especially when lured to a corner by the TTA or anyone else willing to take a stance against you.

I believe I made it clear the last time, when I acknowledged I did not have very many fans here. So sorry, but your wrong RMT.

The TTA can easily leave and let you have the last word if that's what's concerning you so much. I don't depend on posting on a daily basis to rack up an excess of posts, and boast about how scientific my approch is, like yours is!

Ahhh, yes. Classic TTA is what I would call this. You seem to believe yourself to be quite good in directing other people's beliefs for them. For example, in this case you set out only two possibilities. When in reality, no one is bound to accept only one of the two possibilities that you have outlined here. You are aware, I would hope, that there is an entire, infinite range of what I, or others here, may believe about how either you or I act?

Why the incorrigible approach RMT?

Really, your making a bigger deal then needs to be made.

Did I offend you?

Strawman alert. In my studies of the TTA, I have found a preponderance for the usage of the strawman argument. If the TTA is as advanced as he thinks himself to be, then the TTA will understand that one does not respond in kind to strawman arguments. IOW, you are the one coming to conclusions and judgments, and therefore hypothesizing. I have simply asked you a question, and you have slyly (or so you think) avoided answering it by setting up a strawman. Did you think I would not notice this?

I don't bother to think about what you may be thinking Ray.

Take my approach as cautiously as you want if that's how you feel about it.

You mean like the strawman argument that you have setup? See, you can recognize the tactic when it is used!

Did you use that rebuttal while in the school yard with the other kids too?

Again you attempt another strawman. Not going to work with me, friend. I believe what I said was quite clear, and I was purposeful in my use of the lead-in words "One thing that I wonder..." Are you catching on now how your tactics will not work with me?

And you should be catching on to the fact that I don't care. "Debunk" all you want Ray, really when all is said and done, people will still not like you or me.

I said:
Do you find this characteristic something to be proud of?

You said:
I don't believe I ever made that claim, no. But what we see here is yet another attempt for you to shift the purpose of my words. To be frank, the purpose of my words was the "own up" to something about myself that I know is true. In my reading of the TTA, this is something that the TTA has often extolled other people to do. So I am doing this. I am admitting that I am, indeed, course.

I don't think I was claiming that you did find it something to be proud! I was asking you a question. It was a challege to see if you could be honest with your self.

Do you now have a problem with me owning up to my own words, which are used for my own purpose?

Nope, no problem. Did you think I had a problem?

Yes, perhaps we should talk about purpose. For if my reading of the TTA is correct, the TTA has often told people that he acts in certain ways for specific purposes...most often to "help people learn something about themselves." So (to attempt your own tactic of strawman): Do you wish to deny me my own purpose in taking certain tones, as a means to show you something about yourself?

What are you talking about?

If I am reading RMT correctly, you always have to have some nitch to justify your actions.

I said:
apologized to those I have hurt. Whether they accept it and believe I am sincere is not up to me.

You said:
Perhaps a quote is best to reply to this statement from the TTA:

"That's the trouble with being insincere, you have to make up for it later, and it's so hard when you know you don't want to, but what choice do you have? It's natural to be afraid of the unknown now, but at least your no longer lying to your self and adding to the deception, and that ain't half bad."

What was your point?

You take something I said many years ago as current to what I just said yesterday?

I said:
Yes, and much like my self, was subject to the description of the character described in my post above.

You said:
That would be your opinion, and a judgment if I might add.

Here's another one of your tactics Ray. Deny the truth when it's blindly facing you, and say it's someone's "opinion" and "judgment." But when it's the other way around, you don't have a problem with that, do you?

You persona is so double-standard here on the threads. Your own disagreements for the way others act and wish for them to see, is the very same things you deny to see.

Well now... this is quite an admission from the great TTA. I believe I can find statements from the TTA where he crows about his ability to "read people". So here you say "no one knows but you..." Does that mean that you are denying the capability you claim to have in this quote?

I have not posted in 3 yrs. Since that time, my ability to "read people" has brodened. You can read anything you want to read Ray. If you want to read people too, I don't care. But I do care when you pick on people who have done nothing to you, and you ruthlessly use your "justified intentions" to make your point.

You are the one who seems to be so good (and quick) at judging others. What does your judgment tell you about this?

Is that a complement Ray?

Actually, I believe it is you who are making this harder than it needs to be, and that is supported by the fact that you were the one who initiated this apparant attack on me.

Ray, I only stopped your attack of this kid and told the truth. No one has attacked you, but your self.

Do you have a problem with me stating the truth about you here? Wait... perhaps once again the sagely words of the TTA can help us in this quandary:

"if maintaining your façade matters that much to you, why post at all? Ask Pamela, she can attest to how long someone can fool people for so long. In the end, they usually leave because they know they can't keep up the disguise. Just some constructive criticism to make you aware of the reality of the situation."

First of all, I want to apologize to Pamela for saying that about her many years ago. I was wrong to have said that about you Pamela, I know you may never forgive me, but I just hope you know I am sorry.

Second, you want to dig up history about me that I've already accepted, just to make your self feel better Ray? You don't see me living in the past, bringing up past post from you. Come on, is this your scientific approach at it's best?

Obviously by now, if the TTA is astute as he has claimed himself to be in the past, the TTA will see what is transpiring here. May I again remind you that it is you who have initiated this action against me. And I shall not let you, nor the other readers, ever forget this. I learned this tactic from someone whom I have studied in depth.

Relentless aren't you? You started off your post by first insinuating that I care what the readers have to say about me, and now you feel adamantly about making them aware of your feelings!

Well it's your vacation Ray. It's up to you how you want to spend it. Bring up things I've said from the past, or discuss the here and now.

Interesting how you come back to the forum at this specific time, when I am in the process of debunking the latest person who is attempting to propagate a negative view of the future. Is there some underlying reason for why you have come back now?

Yes I know you take your work very personal and seriously. Perhaps a little to much. You don't care that this kid is just a kid do you Ray? You need some serious help dealing with some of your past issues my friend.

Feel threated if you don't subjegate a negative view of the future don't you Ray? You feel a complusion to shove an elightnened one down everyone's throat instead.

Metaphorically speaking of course.

Have a nice day.

TTA
 
Re: Question #3

Yes, indeed it has. It went from a debunking of our latest TT claimant (justhere) to an attack on me. And who is responsible for that?

Yes, we can all hear the violins playing in the background Ray.

Poor Ray had to call his hunting expedition short, on the account of the TTA showing up and ruining it for him.

TTA
 
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lol this thread has digressed a bit


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Yes, indeed it has. It went from a debunking of our latest TT claimant (justhere) to an attack on me. And who is responsible for that?

mabye it has disgressed since you are arguing with every other person on this forum dear
 
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It would seem that you have not considered just how deeply I have studied the TTA. Do you think I do not know all your twisting tactics? Do you think I do not know what you are doing? Think again.

Well it's your vacation Ray. It's up to you how you want to spend it. Bring up things I've said from the past, or discuss the here and now.
And again, you set up a polemic... as if these are the only two options. Perhaps, just perhaps, one can apply lessons from the past TO the here and now. That would not follow the polemic you set up.

Yes, it is my vacation. And as much as I know you wish to continue your little assault on me, the rain has cleared and I am now venturing on 5 days diving out on the reef. Needless to say I will not be connected to the net.

Roorichard's words have captured my thoughts on the issue of this thread quite well. If you come here spewing the same, tired, unverifiable claptrap wanting people to believe, you leave yourself open to "coarse" debunking. And let me point out that just because someone claims to be a "kid" in this forum, does not in fact verify that this is so. For all we know, that "kid" could well be the TTA, and this reply from the TTA to defend the "kid" just another part of the RPG.

For being the TimeTravelActivist that you claim to be, you of all people should exhibit some concern about polluting potential futures. That is one of the tenants of what your "activism" is all about, am I right?

I'm gone for diving, but not gone for good.
RMT
 
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and im yet to hear anything of intrest here, no questions, jsut acusations of what is true and what is false, if i wished to to be accused of lieing id go to a court room, not a forum crowded with a bunch of 40+ year old people who have no lives and jsut sit here all day accusing and lashing out at people, i would like all of them to stop, and people who are truely intrested to then talk to me, if you dont believe me, than thats a AWESOME opinion, stick to it and you will go far, jsut dont btoher me with it, keep it to yourself and MOVE ON!!!! but if you are intrested, and truely do care to wish to know of what i speak of, then ask me, i dont wish to deal with, obviously immature adults, which i have noticed infect this place (i dont mean to all, please note that i am not steroetyping everyone)
 
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It would seem that you have not considered just how deeply I have studied the TTA. Do you think I do not know all your twisting tactics? Do you think I do not know what you are doing? Think again.

Again with the boasting of studying the TTA.

Do you not think anyone reading your posts knows about your "OWN" twisting tactics by now?

Do you think I do not know who you are Ray?

And again, you set up a polemic... as if these are the only two options. Perhaps, just perhaps, one can apply lessons from the past TO the here and now. That would not follow the polemic you set up.

What are you talking about Ray? Really, this has stopped being "scientific" along time ago... get a grip with your self.

Yes, it is my vacation. And as much as I know you wish to continue your little assault on me, the rain has cleared and I am now venturing on 5 days diving out on the reef. Needless to say I will not be connected to the net.

Why would I want to assault anyone on here again Ray?

Perhaps in your little world of doubt and insecurity you feel that anyone who has enough fortitude to stand up against you is wrong. And you tirelessly have to make the case to prove it, by which ever means possible.

Except not this time, and you know it!

Roorichard's words have captured my thoughts on the issue of this thread quite well. If you come here spewing the same, tired, unverifiable claptrap wanting people to believe, you leave yourself open to "coarse" debunking.

How ironic!

Much how the debunking the TTA has been doing here exposing your righteous "intentions."

And let me point out that just because someone claims to be a "kid" in this forum, does not in fact verify that this is so. For all we know, that "kid" could well be the TTA, and this reply from the TTA to defend the "kid" just another part of the RPG.

Assuming he was a kid though, your behavior was uncalled for.

I don't know how you were treated as a kid Ray, and who knows perhaps that's why your the way you are today as a result.

There is no need to breed hatred and unrest in our young.

Perhaps someday in your spiritual path you'll come to this realization.

For being the TimeTravelActivist that you claim to be, you of all people should exhibit some concern about polluting potential futures. That is one of the tenants of what your "activism" is all about, am I right?

Ray, you don't know who the TTA is, you only know who he was.

You continuously want to push your point, I know... but we are not the same Ray. My approach may have been harsh and coarse at one time many years ago, but I have out grown those tendencies in my youth.

It seems you've yet to grow up and play fair with everyone else.

I'm gone for diving, but not gone for good.

Don't worry Ray... I wasn't expecting that you'd be gone for good.

In all sincerity, I hope you have a nice time /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif.

TTA
 
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and im yet to hear anything of intrest here, no questions, jsut acusations of what is true and what is false, if i wished to to be accused of lieing id go to a court room, not a forum crowded with a bunch of 40+ year old people who have no lives and jsut sit here all day accusing and lashing out at people, i would like all of them to stop, and people who are truely intrested to then talk to me, if you dont believe me, than thats a AWESOME opinion, stick to it and you will go far, jsut dont btoher me with it, keep it to yourself and MOVE ON!!!!

Bingo!

* Olly dusts off the old Lugers *

And you say this, because the unplanned argument is now boring you. Starting to get frustrated that your little game isnt quite going to plan? Only (and this is the only mildly clever thing you have done thus far) you try to regain the stage, with a rant that trys to take the moral 'high-ground' to give the illusion of a superior intellect. Infact, it actually reads like a kid screaming for his parents to look at him when they've long lost interest in his intentions. You came on here in a VERY sad attempt to try and get a perverted five minutes of fame with a fake story. I bet in your head, you imagined everyone on the edge of there seats, didnt you? With each answer you give more brilliant then the last?!! Oh my, how mistaken you were!

Here are the facts (which might i add, speak volumes for themsleves);

-You are 16.
-You claim to be part of and government Time travel conspiracy.
-Yours, is an unwilling participation and would suggest either (and it can ONLY be one OR both of these) Mind Control and/or direction and gaurd that is under heavy force.
-Despite this you are allowed to 'socialise' your trauma to the world via the "information super highway"
-Despite your forceful guard, you would like us to casually fall in line and ask questions about the future and time travel etc, the latter of which, you have already stated you know nothing about?
>What are they using on you, a prisoner, to keep you so chilled then? LSD? or did they just go for the valium instead?

So, what - how does it work - i think i missed something here...does a member of Delta Force sit with you as you type, helping you to use spell check correctly as you expose their operation to the entire world.

Well regardless, with this pathetic story now fortunately lost in an argument that is a.) more interesting, and b.) has destroyed and real credibility to both this thread and your story...

I eagerly await the next young gun...

* spins lugers before reholstering *

Jeez, 3 pages on this crap?


We are fast approaching an era of scientific and spiritual evolution, where this section of the forum really could have been an interesting place. If i were a humble Time Traveller, i would not currently bother posting anything within this [now] pit of BS. And yes, its people like you that have destroyed it. There are many other forums to get your kicks on, this is one of the last genuinly productive TT forums that includes both 'real' TT science and TT philosphy.

I think this is why the '40 year olds' (who incidently, help make the fewer - above - positives a reality) have lost patience with people like you. Why don't you write a letter to Peter Moon or something....i'm sure he'd be more interested. Infact he'd probably add some of his own 'facts' to your 'fancinating' mix too.

Kind regards,
Olly
 
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well it seems obvoius to me that you are illeterate when i write that i dont wish to be bothered by your negative opinions, and to keep them to yourself and moveon, i dont know how you would compare that to me whining for attention as if i was a small child if im trying to get you to not even pay attention, and might i add that you can not 3even comprehend the amount of stuff i have gone through, do you seriously think im not being under close watch? ha thats funny, why do you think im allowed on here, becuase no one believes, so by being here, me spilling the truth will make no difference as what i say quickly gets diluted and lost in the computers memory, it really does tickle me how you sit here, reading, and answering and thats the end of that, now let me tell you, thats not what it all is, as much as you say that you think you got the ligsts of this down ,well you really dont, you only know the tip of the iceburg, much is left that you have not seen, and most likely will never see with your arrogant blind eyes, and if you intend to carry on you opinion that i am all fake, and a bunch of lieks, as i said before GREAT, keep it, it will really help you, just leave me alone and bother someone else
 
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A friend of mine and I were talking about John Titer today, as she found him while looking up something on Google, and she directed me to this site today during lunch. I began reading this post, and I realize that this was fake. C'mon. Time Travel? Now? We dont even have the technology to handle cancer and AIDS, yet we can bend time and travel in time? Something much less tangible than a virus or bacterium? This person obviously realizes that you guys are easily distracted. You have all played into his hands. Im sure justhere is having the time of his life laughing at the expense of your hatred Rainman and all the other people who are trying to disprove something that isnt even possible at this day and age. You guys are 30 and 40+ year old men who sit at a forum and argue with a 16 yr old...what productive lives you live. Im not bashing the people that believe. Im not a believer, honest. I just cant believe that someone is arguing with someone on the validity of their time travel expirience...Do we not have better things to do? I had to say this. And this will be the only post I will ever make on the website.


Edit: I am not justhere....I realize that someone might think that.
 
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justhere, you are on your own.

The 40+ yr olds your talking about, seem to claim this as their territory; they get their kicks exposing kids like you on a daily basis.

So now that you know what to expect, make the smart choice and leave.

It’s already been played before, and your only going to annoy them.

Trust me, there are better things you can be doing with your time at 16 yrs old.

Everyone else, remember there are rules here.

I know reveling in their defeat might make you forget that. But they are also human beings and deserve respect.

TTA
 
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The 40+ yr olds your talking about, seem to claim this as their territory; they get their kicks exposing kids like you on a daily basis.

I'm not sure about this 100%. Certainly, its another way to express frustration - especially when these people make it so easy and its their fault this section is such a waste. But i'd get far more kicks ouf of a sincere person coming on here - explaining their story, the science behind there experimental device/experience etc, putting it in the right context and in a coherent framework. I would even accept and welcome their more abstract views if the technology involved what we currently deem as "radionic" principles etc.

i think the lugers did the job, theres still a few twitches though

I don't like the Lugers, and they dont like me. But 'Black Ops' secret government/ Military stories, especically when allowed to be told by one of the 'victims' - as it happens - on the premise that these uber tight security groups think no-one probably will believe them.... is absurd to me. The internet is Also the last place you'd be let loose on.

I've spoken to few people with rather extreme TT claims. Its not claims of a fantastical nature that make me skeptical. Its the people who tell them and how they tell them, that causes me to sit up and take notice, or see through their cheap scams.

kind regards,
Olly.
 
To justhere

I would like to share my thoughts with you, then I'll let you be. First of all, I will speak to you respectfully as I would do so with my own children and my students. When you make claim in the manner you did in your initial post then make yourself available for answering questions, you should expect some harsh skeptisism. Time travel does not exist yet, or if it does, it is obviously not common knowledge. There will be those that want proof. For these people, "seeing is believing". If you think anyone is harsh towards you it is most likely because of the direction these forums have taken lately. I've only been browsing these posts for a few months, but from my perspective, the conversations have swayed from the science and philosophy about time travel to claims from the future about "doom and gloom". Personally, I can understand their frustration. However, you are right with not letting it bother you or feel obligated to prove yourself. There will be others that take your word, will be naturally inquisitive, and your conversations will go forward. Good luck
 
To justhere


I totally agree with "cpEndeavor1" and applaud his post. I have also been browsing these posts for a few days and decided to register to post this message to you. I am interested by what you have to say. Try to ignore the sarcastic and aggressive posts and say what you have to say. I am a mother and a grandmother and I know that teenagers do not feel comfortable in the "adult world" and very often for good reasons, but some of us are here to read, with respect, what is your story. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
im not going to be in the present time for much longer, i leave in 2 days, so in general, ill give you more ligsts of the future, wetehr you believe it or not, your opinion, i wont fight anyone who doesnt believe me anymore
alright as ive mentioned before, the population of the u.s will be increasing dramatically over the next few years, by 2012 the coutnries most populated cities will include "new york, los angeles, chicago, las vegas, miami, salt lake city, and houston, to name a few, in 2012 gas has become more scarce, and more ppl run on hydroelectric cars, and more public transportation, the new world trade center has been finished in the not too distant6 past, the 2006 hurricane season will be worse then the 2005 hurricane season and late in teh year 2007 earthquakes will plaque the seatle and san diego,los angeles areas. to clear up what i had said before, the goverment in 2012 is fighting itself, the goverment is trying to through off the current president of the time, saying that she is too weak, and making the coutnry itself too weak and open, so the ocutnry is in slef conflict, and they are trying to rule the coutnry with a communist type rule.
also the loisiana coast gets messed up when an oil drilling platform out in the ocean explodes and causes a huge oil spill, but on the good note ofthings we also have mended our relationship with france, and several other european countries, yet russia seems to still hold its grudge. our unemployment rate has dropped, we have alot of factories re-opening, on the whole school matter, im not so sure, by what i see its basicaly the smae as now,
ask questions if your futher intrested
 
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