Am I Too Early Or Late?

Hello _Oz!

If this timeline doesn't matter because these conversations will be irrelevant in 8 years , then why wont you send evidence? Have you sent any photos? Also, what type of time travel do you claim to be using? What year are you theoretically from? (I've probably missed this) Do you believe in fate? One last thing, is Robert Malett someone you know? (not personally).

PS: How is a random person allowed to time travel? The only reasons I could see are A: Time Machines or Devices or whatever they are called are common, B: You are illegally here, Or C: You are allowed to be here (with some restriction) The reason I think this is because if anyone came here, all sorts of paradoxes are destined to arise.

 
@_Oz I still need to collect all these questions I ask you for that project I mentioned. lol. How is posting on a forum allowed? Why wouldn't a time traveler be 100% private unless their goal is to make a change in the time line? Any tiny interaction can change things drastically.

 
Why do you have trouble replying to some of the private message I sent you?
You messaged me about my time machine, and then tried to steal (something? Tachyons from this board??) from me and failed according to the notifications I got. I just hadn't felt like replying after that.

I will elaborate a little further though in my next update

-Oz

 
Hello _Oz!
If this timeline doesn't matter because these conversations will be irrelevant in 8 years , then why wont you send evidence? Have you sent any photos? Also, what type of time travel do you claim to be using? What year are you theoretically from? (I've probably missed this) Do you believe in fate? One last thing, is Robert Malett someone you know? (not personally).

PS: How is a random person allowed to time travel? The only reasons I could see are A: Time Machines or Devices or whatever they are called are common, B: You are illegally here, Or C: You are allowed to be here (with some restriction) The reason I think this is because if anyone came here, all sorts of paradoxes are destined to arise.
Greetings,

Even if it's just a game, no good or great chess player should ever telegraph their moves in advance unless it was intentional. Time Travel (which I use that term loosely) becomes more common the farther into the future you go. I don't mind sharing more details, but I also wouldn't want to get into the nitty gritty for the same reasons. In an exponentially divergent multiverse only a couple clicks away, the common associations of time travel is literally a tourist attraction. The way this is accomplished with minimal divergence, is through a nifty service called VesselShare

 


VesselShare
brands themselves as service used to visit periods or places in time of significance. The elevator pitch is that you can send your conscious mind back in time to one of VS's home grown vessels--which enables you to experience the events of that era, while at the same time minimizing divergence. It was found to be significantly easier to send a consciousness backwards (primarily using advanced waves) AND less risky--since the death of the vessel means the trip ends early & your mind goes back to its proper time. As it happens, the death of a vessel is also a flexible point (not quite a fixed event, but guaranteed to occur) which means visitations between fixed points will have almost no impact on the worldline at large.

While they SAY there is minimal divergence, I would argue otherwise. In fact, I've been riding in one of their vessels since 1989. Some fixed events remain the same as I remember them from history, while others (like Trump being President) are totally uncalculated for. Hopefully you're not uncomfortable with paradoxes, because they're super common. Most of them go completely unnoticed, which only occasionally causes some people to recall events with different accounts. It's usually chalked up to shoddy memory or the Mandela effect.

Anyways, this timeline is a major mess & I originally only came back to this era to grow into an old man out in the mountains in peace. Over time the divergence became more and more noticeable, until 2016....at that point I stopped being just a passive observer & started to pay more attention. By 2018 I realized I probably was going to need to do something, and this year I've been more brazen than ever. I still don't think it'll matter much within 8-10 years, but I'm also not trying to hasten things any faster than they seem to be.

-Oz

 
Greetings,
Even if it's just a game, no good or great chess player should ever telegraph their moves in advance unless it was intentional. Time Travel (which I use that term loosely) becomes more common the farther into the future you go. I don't mind sharing more details, but I also wouldn't want to get into the nitty gritty for the same reasons. In an exponentially divergent multiverse only a couple clicks away, the common associations of time travel is literally a tourist attraction. The way this is accomplished with minimal divergence, is through a nifty service called VesselShare

 


VesselShare
brands themselves as service used to visit periods or places in time of significance. The elevator pitch is that you can send your conscious mind back in time to one of VS's home grown vessels--which enables you to experience the events of that era, while at the same time minimizing divergence. It was found to be significantly easier to send a consciousness backwards (primarily using advanced waves) AND less risky--since the death of the vessel means the trip ends early & your mind goes back to its proper time. As it happens, the death of a vessel is also a flexible point (not quite a fixed event, but guaranteed to occur) which means visitations between fixed points will have almost no impact on the worldline at large.

While they SAY there is minimal divergence, I would argue otherwise. In fact, I've been riding in one of their vessels since 1989. Some fixed events remain the same as I remember them from history, while others (like Trump being President) are totally uncalculated for. Hopefully you're not uncomfortable with paradoxes, because they're super common. Most of them go completely unnoticed, which only occasionally causes some people to recall events with different accounts. It's usually chalked up to shoddy memory or the Mandela effect.

Anyways, this timeline is a major mess & I originally only came back to this era to grow into an old man out in the mountains in peace. Over time the divergence became more and more noticeable, until 2016....at that point I stopped being just a passive observer & started to pay more attention. By 2018 I realized I probably was going to need to do something, and this year I've been more brazen than ever. I still don't think it'll matter much within 8-10 years, but I'm also not trying to hasten things any faster than they seem to be.

-Oz
How did vesselshare get the growing equipment back in time?

 
How did vesselshare get the growing equipment back in time?
I mentioned to Paula that I'm very much not familiar with the intricates of how VS is able to do what they've been doing. From what I do know, some time (many many years) after traveling became more common, a corporation saw fit to "grow" bodies at specific periods / places in time. The vessel is able to be used by any number of travelers until it expires. Planting "seeds" (the term for a vessel that is not yet ready for transference) is not very difficult. The challenge is not injecting something back in time, since there's hundreds or more functioning machines hidden across the planet all the time. The challenge is the transference of consciousness, which also requires phlashing / preparing the vessel in between uses.

I suspect it really is just a cleverly controlled usage of dreamfaring, because from the perspective of the traveler---they lay down in what feels like & kind of resembles an MRI machine. There's no noises, and only a throbbing pressure in the temples after a few seconds. It gets very heavy very quick. The feeling is similar to the heavy feeling from being heavily intoxicated. You can't help but fall asleep within 10-15 seconds, then immediately wake up in your shiny new vessel. Kind of like the movie Avatar, except the avatar / vessel is at a different spacetime than the one you're in. It also makes sense from the perspective that dreamfaring is as close to 0 divergence as you can get.

The reason why I disagree with them, is because very few people know that dreamfaring is an incredibly powerful tool to begin with. It boasts close to 0 divergence when you're not doing anything crazy, but near (or possibly actually) infinite divergence when you're willingly looking to exploit it. It's very possible that this timeline only appears messed up to me because I'm about 29 years past due on mine. Were I to suddenly die, it's possible that everything as I remembered (or at least close) will be the same when I wake up. Who knows fore sure though, and I'm not NO hurry to go back to the last universe >_<

-Oz

 
@_Oz I still need to collect all these questions I ask you for that project I mentioned. lol. How is posting on a forum allowed? Why wouldn't a time traveler be 100% private unless their goal is to make a change in the time line? Any tiny interaction can change things drastically.
No worries! There ARE laws, regulations, and rules of thumbs....but they're more like guidelines than actual rules. There's more than a few laws & regulations I've broken, and I'm certain that I'll probably get at least a slap on the hand in the future....but the consequences that people talk about, usually arise from their own actions. I've come to accept divergence as a part of life, which is why I don't stress much about things.

-Oz

 
“Time travel” sounds like a lot of fun for people, until they’ve experienced serious deviations or loss. We are in an unfortunate deviation currently, and it takes a lot of work to rectify if at all. My squad of 7 had become separated, and forgot how to find each other again. Low tech is always best.
If I could go further and impart a little knowledge to someone—I would have them understand that grandiose ambitions lead only to tragedy, and that it’s never too late to change for the better.

-Oz
that said - what change brings about the greatest potential for an individuals foot print on their and others timelines?

how does one change the trajectory of tragedy?

how does one get the best help when you say others are refusing to allow help?

If others aren't helping would it be a sign to chill and let the universe drive, or is more required to sustain positive change?

whats the cost of doing nothing?

There are times I look around and am just waiting for everyone's mask to drop, and what we thought were monsters were actually angels, or clowns or just bits of cosmos shooting by (no not Cosmos on the boards - then again - maybe) (attempt at humor)

 
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Hi Oz!

Thank you for sharing more about the chess game of time travel. Interesting concepts regarding your method for traveling. I like the reference to Avatar. Have you been on this timeline since 1989? Do you recall any major time shifts or maybe a time quakes March 2006 or September/October 2015? You talk about how there were things that caused you to become more than just a passive observer...what happened there? That there was something more causing a fire under your feet and as a result you feel more brave to speak up. What is so alarming? Sometimes I feel like we are all part of some simulation and this year “they” put a kid in the driver’s seat. You mentioned I believe a concept of chronosthesia. Am I spelling that right? Would you explain more about this? Safe traveling out there!

 
Do you claim your time travel is mutable, or immutable?

You already said you are using something where only your conscience is present, but does that mean you've done this before?

Did you do this when you were younger, or do you claim this is a new multiverse or world line or string or whatever you want to call it in which you never did it? Does sending your conscience back mean you can actually change something, or are you stuck in the loop?

Do you believe in fate? Is free will an illusion to you?

 
@_Oz I am most interested in your "time machine" or whatever you use. Could you describe it to me in detail? Diagrams or pictures would be great too. Thanks.

 
No worries! There ARE laws, regulations, and rules of thumbs....but they're more like guidelines than actual rules. There's more than a few laws & regulations I've broken, and I'm certain that I'll probably get at least a slap on the hand in the future....but the consequences that people talk about, usually arise from their own actions. I've come to accept divergence as a part of life, which is why I don't stress much about things.

-Oz
Ok, but is it fair for you to change another person's time line, or does the divergence only apply to your own consciousness?

 
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[QUOTE='_Oz]Lets take the lotto test for example: "Tell me what lotto numbers will be pulled tomorrow" is fatally flawed. The predicted numbers would almost never be the same, due to chaos theory. It is possible to pull off, but true foreknowledge of lottery numbers indicates a different type of traveling (a very dangerous kind)
-Oz
[/QUOTE]Hi _Oz. 

-Let's say somebody has dropped lotto numbers for a future event... (in the future of this timeline) - Why would this method of time travel be a very dangerous kind (Other than being blatantly obvious and out in the open)

What if the numbers were dropped, not to play the numbers, but as proof that they would be drawn on the specified date? (For example, lotto numbers drop from the future, the person who relieves them doesn't play the lotto, but the next day finds out those exact 7 numbers had been drawn.)

Why would this method be more dangerous than the rest? it seems to me, that it would be a last-ditch effort, a last resort.

- There is one thing I've been wanting to ask you about the future.. 

What is your opinion on Artificial Intelligence? - Should we be worried? Is it friend or foe?

Have you heard the term "Biologically Enhanced AI" before?

I'm eager to hear your response. 

Also, 

PaulaJedi:

"Ok, but is it fair for you to change another person's time line, or does the divergence only apply to your own consciousness?"

I suspect only the travelers memory remains, every else changes to fit the new World-line.. as depicted Steins;Gate... am I right _Oz?

 
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[QUOTE='Mallard]I suspect only the travelers memory remains, every else changes to fit the new World-line.. as depicted Steins;Gate... am I right _Oz?
[/QUOTE]Unless you have "Reading Steiner"

Jokes aside, i think it's quite interesting to think about, if a Time Traveler does arrive in the past, they're already essentially affecting divergence, so it's quite possible that no one other than the person who travelled into the past will be able to tell the difference.

 
'Calc]Unless you have "Reading Steiner" Jokes aside said:
Somebody posted this about Future Trunks the other day:

Everything went bad when Trunks went back in time.

Had he not done so Goku would have died. Yeah the Androids would have killed everyone.

No Cell. He came from the future after Trunks destroyed the androids after...going back in time.

No Majin Buu. He was not awakened in Trunks timeline.

No Beerus because there is no Super Saiyan God to challenge him.

No Zamasu. If Goku was dead, he would have never fought him and pissed him off.

No Universal Survival tournament because Goku was dead.

Frieza would still be alive tho. Earth would have been destroyed because Goku was on Yardrat or maybe Vegeta would have been a Super Saiyan by then and killed him and King Cold.

But I digress, EVERYTHING is Trunks fault

I replied with my own thoughts:

By that same logic, if Trunks doesn't go back in time, he's never born because Frieza would of destroyed Earth, killing Bulma. Bulma would of never met Vegeta, and they wouldn't of had Trunks. 

Trunks has to go back in time, or he ceases to exist.

Timelines are complicated XD 

Go back, and save the Earth, but cause every event that follows (Good and Bad) - Or Don't go back and cease to exist.

Tough choice XD 
 
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Hello again! There's quite a few comments to circle back on, I'll do my best to respond to each

[QUOTE='blix1ms0ns]Do you have anything concrete for vessel share?
[/QUOTE]I'm afraid I don't. I'd imagine if a vessel's brainwaves were being measured over a period of time--the observer would see likely see a clear difference before transference and after departure.

[QUOTE='PaulaJedi]Ok, but is it fair for you to change another person's time line, or does the divergence only apply to your own consciousness?
[/QUOTE]I don't think it's fair. Since also little that can be done to avoid divergence, so the best thing to do is just try to minimize it & adjust accordingly. 

When discussing divergence there must also be a frame of reference, but it's not something that is exclusive to travelers. For the most part outside observers would be totally unaware, however, there are some individuals who are slightly more sensitive to fluxes & may feel a shift or recall different events (Mandela effect) 

[QUOTE='Mallard]Hi _Oz. -Let's say somebody has dropped lotto numbers for a future event... (in the future of this timeline) - Why would this method of time travel be a very dangerous kind (Other than being blatantly obvious and out in the open)
[/QUOTE]It's because divergence is an inherent byproduct of traveling. No matter how small the changes or duration of a stay, we introduce foreign entropy to the universe. This is the basis of the ripple effect. To have 0 divergence requires negative energy. To obtain negative energy is difficult / dangerous enough. To harness it as an energy source & have it cancel out your entropy? It would take no less than a Type V civilization. 

[QUOTE='Mallard]What is your opinion on Artificial Intelligence? - Should we be worried? Is it friend or foe?
Have you heard the term "Biologically Enhanced AI" before?
[/QUOTE]I'm all for AI. Like many things, it's a double edged sword. Whether it's friend or foe will depend on who engineers it. The creation of true AI is ~30-40 years from now. There's always some wiggle room, but I suspect it's a fixed point & will always happen. Whether it's China (Skynet) or the US (IBM Watson) that reaches it first I don't think matters, since it happens so close to the same time.

As far as biologically enhanced AI--organic is #1 for many reasons. It's only a matter of time before AI takes advantage of wetware.

-Oz

 
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'_Oz]It's because divergence is an inherent byproduct of traveling. No matter how small the changes or duration of a stay said:
I see, so.. i'm thinking like Steins;Gate with this one tbh, but it seems even going back and reversing any changes you make wouldn't completely push the world line to 0 divergence. (and i wasn't meaning full corporeal travel, more messages from the future like in Steins;Gate when they sent just the numbers back.

As for AI.. i completely agree with your moral view on it, i feel though, it would have to be raised right, to value life... I can see it being abused, even if it has free will of its own. 

It gives me hope, but it scares the shit out of me to think what could go wrong - the last thing we want is for it to harvest human bodies for its own uses... 
 
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