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If there's one thing I've observed in years of scientific scepticism, it is that true believers have a state of mind bordering on cognitive dissonance or even that of religious faith. You can demolish the entire basis of what they believe in....for example even point out that Titor's machine is impossible......yet still they carry on being a 'believer'.
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very aggrivating isnt it? do you have any advice on how to handle the frustration? i guess i have to accept and let people be, but it is so hard when it is self-mutilating.
 
Pamela,

It was a beetle bug, Twilight, it was the darndest thing.
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Ah, you must have you recalled Professor Vos Bromeaieis Relo who occassionally posted through my account on Anomalies as he expounded on the work of his mentor, Professor Chistado:


Professor Chistado actually wrote a paper a long time in the future to be about the physics of a Volkswagen Beetle.

As you know, the Nazi's were very interested in the metaphysical world. They discovered that the spheric section contained within a V.W. Beetle equates to a "Horn 'o Plenty" Cauchy space. The '60's experiment only used a fractional portion of the interior Cauchy space. The Nazi scientists actually put the entire population of Denmark in a V.W. Beetle and space remained for both Holland and Belgium.

Professor Chistado's paper did verify that the V.W. Beetle's interior can support and contain infinite mass. By spinning the Beetle at a velocity where a = m his paper proved that a Beetle Unitary Gague Event Horizon (BUG Horizon) would form a ring singularity.

It is wonderful that you would be so perceptive as to mention the V.W. Beetle. It is the basis of our time travel ability.
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Herbie, The Love Bug !!!

And I thought he was just limited to miraculous feats on the race track.

Makes sense though, Herbie's number is 53, which equal 8. And of course, 8 turned on its side is the "infinity" symbol.

Ah Ha !!
 
Makes sense though, Herbie's number is 53, which equal 8. And of course, 8 turned on its side is the "infinity" symbol.

Ah Ha !!
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Well, I'll be darned. You're absolutely correct. I don't recall Prof. Chistado ever posting anything about that. He did reference some experiments carried out in "the 60's" and I only assumed that he meant something other than the 1960's. However, Herbie was on tour in the late 1960's, so ...you don't think: Had Chistado (or Relo) also discovered that unmistakeable relationship; a codex for time travel stitched into the very fabric of reality?
 
Darby: Thanks for clearing something up.

I took a trip to Mexico years ago in a Beetle. On the way back--just outside of San Antonio Texas, as a result of early morning sleepy stupidity, I put a full gallon of gasoline, that we had carried through Mexico, behind the passenger seat as my brother wanted to put his clothes in the 'trunk' (if you're familiar with the car you know why I put that in quotes). It was cool and he put on the heater. When we stopped a half hour later, the gasoline in the can was boiling. When it had cooled down, I poured it into the gas tank and had to throw the can away--it was completely bent out of shape.

There could have been a disastrous result had not there been so much "space" for the fumes to disperse in.
 
There could have been a disastrous result had not there been so much "space" for the fumes to disperse in.
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I understand...or at least I think that I do. My problem is that Chistado didn't communicate directly with me. Boy, howdy would I have loved to talk Cauchy space BUG Horizons with him. I don't think that he meant that Relo used the boot for the Danes (probably because that's where they put their clothing...no Sonora desert heat in Denmark). As I recall, it was just the passenger's side back seat. Go figure.
 
Well, I'll be darned. You're absolutely correct. I don't recall Prof. Chistado ever posting anything about that. He did reference some experiments carried out in "the 60's" and I only assumed that he meant something other than the 1960's. However, Herbie was on tour in the late 1960's, so ...you don't think: Had Chistado (or Relo) also discovered that unmistakeable relationship; a codex for time travel stitched into the very fabric of reality?
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I think you're onto something here, Darby. There also seems to be more to the fact that Beatle Bugs float. Something any time traveler might desire to have as a feature.

Yeah.....Herbie and the 60's ? a codex for the time travel stitched into the very fabric of reality? Well, I'd say you've got a "perfect hit" on your hands, Darby.
 
very aggrivating isnt it? do you have any advice on how to handle the frustration? i guess i have to accept and let people be, but it is so hard when it is self-mutilating.
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It's a hard one..because a lot of people rely on their beliefs of one form or another to get by and 'make sense' of life. All one can do is illustrate to people that science fact is often a lot stranger and more impressive than science fiction.
 
However, before I came I remembered this web page and smuggled a small artefact from the future for your viewing. I hope you enjoy it. It's a copy of the newspaper I downloaded not an hour before I left. Sorry it's a little cut off at the bottom, I'm not sure whether that was me or this page I used to upload it.
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UK Newspapers do not use that date format ( i.e July 21st 2082 )......almost any you care to look at would say 'Tuesday 21 July 2082'. That has been pretty much standard format for some time and I notice most US newspapers do too.

I have never, ever, heard of a newspaper putting 'st' or 'nd' after a date as in 'July 21st'. I cannot find a single newspaper that does that. I would imagine any typesetter who did that would be fired.

Some of you may well remember my posts, I was the time travel claimant from 2082 (it's hard to tell who is fake and who is real on this page).
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No it's incredibly easy. ALL are fake until proven otherwise. A poorly Photoshopped 'UK Today' is not proof.
 
He never replied to my challenge earlier in the thread...

UK Newspapers do not use that date format ( i.e July 21st 2082 )......almost any you care to look at would say 'Tuesday 21 July 2082'. That has been pretty much standard format for some time and I notice most US newspapers do too.
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Yep, that was one of the inconsistencies on my list. Especially since the whole "Euro/American date format" issue was such a big dot deal in presuming that Zeshua "predicted" the death of the pope! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

RMT
 
Zeshua "predicted" the death of the pope!
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You mean the Peter who Picked a peck of pickled predictions, Where's the peck of pickled predictions Peter picked?

The risk that is run by posting an image of something like USA Today, is that this publisher exists now.

I also noticed several problems with the image, and it was pointed out that some of the names of the so-called writers, ( I won't say by whom at the moment ) are merely the switching around of the first and last names of current writers that have written articles for USA Today.

This is one of those claims that IF pursued, would result in a whole list of ammunition at the ready to prove it was merely a hoax.

I am sure almost everyone here thinks at one time or another that they could come up with a better claim than what has been seen so far...and some make the attempt.

That this is the case with this particular claim, is obvious. And actually belongs in the bottom of the claims list of attempts.
 
This is one of those claims that IF pursued, would result in a whole list of ammunition at the ready to prove it was merely a hoax.
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You don't say? Now WHO around here would be "dumb enough" to "waste time" putting together such a list?


RMT
 
Now WHO around here would be "dumb enough" to "waste time" putting together such a list?
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I dont know, it depends on who is "dumb enough" to "waste time" putting together a "dumber" time travel claim, and how far they wish to pawn their "dumberer" wares onto the populace of TTI.
 
Ray,

You don't say? Now WHO around here would be "dumb enough" to "waste time" putting together such a list?
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Yup. I pretty much lost interest when the "Google" article had the college dates wrong by ten years.
 
I pretty much lost interest when the "Google" article had the college dates wrong by ten years.
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Number 6 on my list. I guess I am dumb enough... /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif But if I am dumb enough to put together a list of problems with this "UK TODAY" page, how dumb is the person who made the page for not simply checking the year he used???

This hoax attempt gets negative points from me, overall. Sloppy. Item #1 on my list is the fact that the "UK TODAY" logo is so NOT square(and obvious) that it is silly. Again, freaking sloppy.
RMT
 
The single biggest giveaway that it is a hoax is that the fonts and typsetting are all over the place. Not to mention that there are about 6 different fonts on that page ! It's a mess.


Compare with a bona fide UK Newspaper from the primitive time of 2009 !

http://www.guardian.co.uk/
 
The single biggest giveaway that it is a hoax is that the fonts and typsetting are all over the place. Not to mention that there are about 6 different fonts on that page ! It's a mess.
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Indeed, that was the first on my list. Notice how he obviously took a scan of a print version of USA Today paper and then attempted to doctor it to make it not only look like what he thinks "UK Today" would look like, but he puts stuff along the top to make one think this was taken off a web page. Problem is, if you go look at the USA Today web page, it does not look exactly like the USA Today printed page. EPIC FAIL!

And your citation of the Guardian web page also reveals #2 inconsistency on my list:

Notice on his fake page on the left hand side he uses the word "Sports" on two occasions...just as we do here in the USA. But now if you look at the Guardian web page you will see the manner in which folks in the UK refer to athletics in their news: "Sport" with no "s". This goes along with the whole date format issue. Now, one could make the (lame) excuse that since USA Today was/is an American company that when they established UK Today they simply used US colloquialisms in their UK Today paper. And the reason this is lame is that one would think one wishes to cater to their specific readership. It would be the height of American arrogance to not adopt UK colloquialisms in a UK paper! Such a paper would not last long in the UK, I am afraid. I know if a US paper owned by the UK started spelling "honor" as "honour" or "color" as "colour" I wouldn't be giving them my money for their product!


RMT
 
The design of the "UK today" is admittedly shoddy compared to today. Is it just because it is a fake or is it because ww 3 might have had something to do with it?

The fact that they got the Google start-up date wrong points to the newspaper being more authentic than fake. Anybody today knows that the internet wasn't around in 1988. Anyone who has been on the net in the last 10 to 15 years know Google came after Yahoo and Alta Vista. For a non-computer person, it is still possible to not have a clue however.

Don't forget that today's papers get dates wrong all the time. Have you ever read celebrity "x" (21) in one mag or paper is celebrity "x" (23) in another. I see this a lot. Sloppy writing (probably under severe time constraints) produce lots of different celebrity ages.

The photos are more interesting than the text. Have a look at the apartment building. Pretty easy to fake. What about the main photo? Look at the clothes. How are they different? Look at the hairstyles and technology (I see one camera and two ... strange cameras).

The suits look a little different to me. A little straighter or something, I can't put my finger on it. A lot of journalists are wearing woolly jumpers and plain-checkered shirts. Has a ww 3 revert back to nature movement caused this? Today, journalists would be wearing business suits without question.

We need a tv cameraman who is familiar with today's camera tech to verify the equipment in the photo. If they can be verified, then the photo is fake.


The date format question isn't a strong argument either way, as 73 years is enough time for styles to change, especially after world war 3. That event would have completely changed the landscape of the world. Countries would have disappeared; others amalgamated and so on. Look at ww 1 and 2 to see how the European map has changed drastically.

If you believe in conspiracy theories, world wars are all about changing the power structures or increasing consumer goods demand through public debt when private consumers are over-indebted and cannot keep the pyramid scheme of fractional reserve lending going anymore (ww2).
 
The fact that they got the Google start-up date wrong points to the newspaper being more authentic than fake.
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Um, yeah, right... that is quite a bit more that just a little silly.

Are you actually claiming that a professional journalist has a higher probability of making factual errors in a story than does an internet hacker pretending to be a time traveler? I cannot believe you are actually saying that, but that is what your statement above clearly suggests.

And oh... I'd like to see your probability and statistics model that proves what you claim to be true. Thanks,
RMT
 
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