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[Time travel_Ο]

Great link, this is awesome. I'm cleaning up the Titor info behind the scenes and I'll definitely link to this, thanks!

So why are you doing this? Why did you change the entire forum? Why did you delete some of Titor's original messages? Why did you change his nickname? Why did you cut out some of the data? I'm asking this because I have the code for the previous version of the forum with all the old messages, files, and profiles.

Well I would certainly hope we will have a functional C204 by 2036......

Sure, no worries

The reason for building a time machine to obtain a first edition of the IBM 5100 because it had some super secret ability to read and edit IBM "legacy code" was complete BS. First, there really was no IBM legacy code to speak of. Prior to 1964 when IBM sold a mainframe it did so without providing an operating system or any software. The new owner was expected to write their own programs starting with an in-house, proprietary OS. In 1964 IBM released the IBM/360. It was more of a general purpose mainframe computer that came with a choice of operating systems, including DOS/360 the grandparent of IBM PC-DOS, compilers, emulators and assorted software. In 1975 IBM released the IBM 5100. It included a version of BASIC and APL. The version of APL also had a compiler and emulator that could read, write and edit the mainframe languages. That was apparently the super secret that Titor mentioned that was neither super nor secret. It was part of the vanilla package.

Today there are several IBM 5100 emulators. One can be found at Norbert's Emulators (https://norbertkehrer.github.io/ibm5110_js.html). It's software and it can run on multiple platforms. In other words, there was absolutely no reason to time travel to 1975 to get something that was readily available in 2036.

I've mentioned that Titor/TTO started making errors. He'd forget what he had said at one time and/or on another BBS. With respect to the super secret regarding the IBM 5100 here's what he said on Anomalies.net where I was one of the Admins:



Do you see the not-so-subtle difference between this post on Anomalies.net and what he said on Post-2-Post above? Here he says that he "would bet" that the engineers were "probably" told to keep their mouths shut. On Post-2-Post he said that anyone familiar with the function "were told to keep their mouth shut about it ".

There is a Grand Canyon wide gap between betting that the engineers were probably told to keep their mouths shut and being told to keep their mouths shut. There's nothing subtle about the difference between the two statements. It was an embellishment because by 1-FEB-2001 he was feeling both his confidence and wine a lot more than on 30-DEC-2000.

So he's been inconsistent with the identification of the computer (5100 vs. 5110), the certainty that the engineers were threatened or not and the reason for even needing the computer due to multiple successful emulators being available. The computer portion of the story did not make sense.

A bit more BS: Titor/TTO had no clue about the IBM business model. A computer that had the ability to read, write and edit legacy software would have had no effect on IBM. It would not have "destroyed a large part of their business infrastructure in the early 70s". Just like Apple, IBM is primarily a hardware developer, not a software developer. They build computers. They also deliver operating systems with their hardware. What the user can do with the software is their business so long as they don't violate IBM's EULA, patents or copyrights.

I see you still don't understand why the IBM5100 was released, if you think that you will be told the truth about the true mission on the Internet - then you are as naive as a 5 year old boy. The point is not that the IBM 5100 could edit code, but that this computer turned the world upside down and opened the era of personal devices.

 

[Darby]

I see you still don't understand why the IBM5100 was released, if you think that you will be told the truth about the true mission on the Internet - then you are as naive as a 5 year old boy. The point is not that the IBM 5100 could edit code, but that this computer turned the world upside down and opened the era of personal devices.

I'm naive because "the point is not that the IBM 5100 could edit code, but that this computer turned the world upside down and opened the era of personal devices"? TimeTravel_0 said:

"TimeTravel_0 - "Time Travel Paradoxes" Time Travel Institute BBS
unregistered posted 15 November 2000 14:41

I was "sent" to get an IBM computer system called the 5100. It was one the first portable computers made and it has the ability to read the older IBM programming languages in addition to APL and Basic. We need they system to "debug" various legacy computer programs in 2036. UNIX has a problem in 2038."

That's a quote, word for word, directly from TimeTravel_0, "We need they (sic) system to "debug" various legacy computer programs in 2036." Debug means to edit. He didn't say one word about the 5100/5110 opening up the world to personal computing. Not on the above nor any other thread on this or any other BBS.

Have you actually gone through and read each and every post on each and every thread on this site and Post-2-Post from the original Titor/TT0 posts? I ask because you really don't seem to be very familiar with them. I can assure you that they are all still here on TTI. First MOP and now Cosmo have made sure that they have been preserved. I've preserved them on multiple HDDs. So before you toss out any more ad hominem attacks at least get your facts straight.

And to be historically accurate, the 5100/5110 didn't open up the world to personal computing. They stifled it. IBM sued everyone who even attempted to enter the personal computing market. The very words "personal computing" aka PC which was originally IBM-PC were claimed by IBM to be their intellectual property. It wasn't until the Department of Justice sued IBM over it's attempt to monopolize the micro computer world that personal computing was opened up. Microsoft was born from that law suit - and then Apple sued them over their GUI which MS lifted from the Apple Lisa Project. In the end the last players standing were Apple (barely) and MS. IBM completely left the PC world never to return.

 

[Time travel_Ο]

I'm naive because "the point is not that the IBM 5100 could edit code, but that this computer turned the world upside down and opened the era of personal devices"? TimeTravel_0 said:

"TimeTravel_0 - "Time Travel Paradoxes" Time Travel Institute BBS
unregistered posted 15 November 2000 14:41

I was "sent" to get an IBM computer system called the 5100. It was one the first portable computers made and it has the ability to read the older IBM programming languages in addition to APL and Basic. We need they system to "debug" various legacy computer programs in 2036. UNIX has a problem in 2038."

That's a quote, word for word, directly from TimeTravel_0, "We need they (sic) system to "debug" various legacy computer programs in 2036." Debug means to edit. He didn't say one word about the 5100/5110 opening up the world to personal computing. Not on the above nor any other thread on this or any other BBS.

Have you actually gone through and read each and every post on each and every thread on this site and Post-2-Post from the original Titor/TT0 posts? I ask because you really don't seem to be very familiar with them. I can assure you that they are all still here on TTI. First MOP and now Cosmo have made sure that they have been preserved. I've preserved them on multiple HDDs. So before you toss out any more ad hominem attacks at least get your facts straight.

And to be historically accurate, the 5100/5110 didn't open up the world to personal computing. They stifled it. IBM sued everyone who even attempted to enter the personal computing market. The very words "personal computing" aka PC which was originally IBM-PC were claimed by IBM to be their intellectual property. It wasn't until the Department of Justice sued IBM over it's attempt to monopolize the micro computer world that personal computing was opened up. Microsoft was born from that law suit - and then Apple sued them over their GUI which MS lifted from the Apple Lisa Project. In the end the last players standing were Apple (barely) and MS. IBM completely left the PC world never to return.

The Unix problem will not arise in 2038, as practically all devices have been modernized. The IBM 5100 was the computer that opened the era of personal computers to the general public.
It's not even about this computer, but about the fact that in 1975 the basis of the decentralized Internet was born, which would later grow into TOR.

Don't you find it strange that the one who created a time machine in 2036 (General electric) financed the creation of Unix in 1970s, and as we know, Unix had a bug in 2038. So, it turns out that the one who created Unix with this bug created a time machine to go back in time and create this bug again. This is a cycle that each time leads to the creation of a time machine.

I'm naive because "the point is not that the IBM 5100 could edit code, but that this computer turned the world upside down and opened the era of personal devices"? TimeTravel_0 said:

"TimeTravel_0 - "Time Travel Paradoxes" Time Travel Institute BBS
unregistered posted 15 November 2000 14:41

I was "sent" to get an IBM computer system called the 5100. It was one the first portable computers made and it has the ability to read the older IBM programming languages in addition to APL and Basic. We need they system to "debug" various legacy computer programs in 2036. UNIX has a problem in 2038."

That's a quote, word for word, directly from TimeTravel_0, "We need they (sic) system to "debug" various legacy computer programs in 2036." Debug means to edit. He didn't say one word about the 5100/5110 opening up the world to personal computing. Not on the above nor any other thread on this or any other BBS.

Have you actually gone through and read each and every post on each and every thread on this site and Post-2-Post from the original Titor/TT0 posts? I ask because you really don't seem to be very familiar with them. I can assure you that they are all still here on TTI. First MOP and now Cosmo have made sure that they have been preserved. I've preserved them on multiple HDDs. So before you toss out any more ad hominem attacks at least get your facts straight.

And to be historically accurate, the 5100/5110 didn't open up the world to personal computing. They stifled it. IBM sued everyone who even attempted to enter the personal computing market. The very words "personal computing" aka PC which was originally IBM-PC were claimed by IBM to be their intellectual property. It wasn't until the Department of Justice sued IBM over it's attempt to monopolize the micro computer world that personal computing was opened up. Microsoft was born from that law suit - and then Apple sued them over their GUI which MS lifted from the Apple Lisa Project. In the end the last players standing were Apple (barely) and MS. IBM completely left the PC world never to return.

It was necessary to create a branch of reality at a turning point. The actions that were performed in 1975 should have led to the creation of another time machine. In this version of reality, there will be 2 time machines, the first one will be created by some large companies that have been trying to develop it since 1985.

 

[Darby]

Don't you find it strange that the one who created a time machine in 2036 (General electric) financed the creation of Unix in 1970s, and as we know, Unix had a bug in 2038. So, it turns out that the one who created Unix with this bug

Well, actually, yes it is strange that you should say in the 1970s GE financed Unix. Strange because GE didn't finance Unix and it wasn't developed in the 1970s. Now, had you said that in the 1960s, not the 1970s, General Electric contributed to the MIT and Bell Lab development of the Multics OS, not Unix, by providing its GE-645 mainframe computers as testbeds, not direct financing, then I would have said you were correct. The Multics effort failed and in 1969 Bell withdrew from the project. Unix, a simpler system than Multics, was then developed in the Bell Laboratories computer research facility by Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie to run the PDP-7 microcomputer. They completed the project in 1969 and the OS was fully released in 1971. GE had nothing to do with Unix. The only thing that Multics has to do with Unix is Unix is a pun on Multics.

And what Unix bug? You mean the date problem that will only affect 32-bit systems but have zero, zip, nada effect on 64-bit systems? That Y2K38 Bug? Today less than 1% of computers are running on 32-bit systems. Y2K38 is no longer a problem. Are you concerned about the bug because you are running on a 32-bit system?

And I'll toss in a Titor Error here: He said that one of the reasons for him to go back to 1975 and get the 5100 was because of the Y2K38 problem. Again, what problem. He supposedly came from 2036, 11 years from now, a time when less than 1% of computers have any chance of being affected by getting the date wrong if they are a 32-bit system. He didn't know about 64-bit systems yet 64-bit PCs were released in 2003.

 

[Time travel_Ο]

Well, actually, yes it is strange that you should say in the 1970s GE financed Unix. Strange because GE didn't finance Unix and it wasn't developed in the 1970s. Now, had you said that in the 1960s, not the 1970s, General Electric contributed to the MIT and Bell Lab development of the Multics OS, not Unix, by providing its GE-645 mainframe computers as testbeds, not direct financing, then I would have said you were correct. The Multics effort failed and in 1969 Bell withdrew from the project. Unix, a simpler system than Multics, was then developed in the Bell Laboratories computer research facility by Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie to run the PDP-7 microcomputer. They completed the project in 1969 and the OS was fully released in 1971. GE had nothing to do with Unix. The only thing that Multics has to do with Unix is Unix is a pun on Multics.

And what Unix bug? You mean the date problem that will only affect 32-bit systems but have zero, zip, nada effect on 64-bit systems? That Y2K38 Bug? Today less than 1% of computers are running on 32-bit systems. Y2K38 is no longer a problem. Are you concerned about the bug because you are running on a 32-bit system?

And I'll toss in a Titor Error here: He said that one of the reasons for him to go back to 1975 and get the 5100 was because of the Y2K38 problem. Again, what problem. He supposedly came from 2036, 11 years from now, a time when less than 1% of computers have any chance of being affected by getting the date wrong if they are a 32-bit system. He didn't know about 64-bit systems yet 64-bit PCs were released in 2003.

You are wrong again.

1. You are probably not familiar with cause and effect and the influence Multics had on the creation of Unix.

2. You obviously live in a unipolar world where alternative world lines cannot exist, otherwise it is impossible to explain your total belief that the problem of 2038 concerns this world line.

Let me explain again, the problem of 2038 was global in another world line, where the world did not have time to convert computer systems from 32 bits to 64 bits, this led to failures in all computing in a world that had just recovered from World War 3, where almost all technology that had been developed before 2004 was destroyed.

It's in this world line, the 2038 problem is not of global significance. You're not such an expert if you don't know the basics of multi world interpretation. By the way, about this world line. In this world line it is not 1% of computers running on 32 bits, but about 30-40% of all modern systems. In my world line this figure reached 99%.