You have 12 years left

[Darby]

In 2000, we started this whole story, which you know under the legend of Titor

Say what?! If "you" started this story in 2000 then you didn't start this story. Come on now, when did you actually start this story? And then when and where did you continue the story the first time online?

Oh, yeah. I'm really not sorry to have to tell you that you have less than 12 years to respond else grab the canisters and matches.

 

[Time travel_Ο]

Say what?! If "you" started this story in 2000 then you didn't start this story. Come on now, when did you actually start this story? And then when and where did you continue the story the first time online?

Oh, yeah. I'm really not sorry to have to tell you that you have less than 12 years to respond else grab the canisters and matches.

Well, of course, you know better, you were born in 1998, or maybe this is the year of my birth? Of course, I didn’t start this story, I’m still too young, the cycle will close when I go from 2036 to 1975, then I’ll be about 40 years old (in 2036), I’m still young. But it's definitely not you. I would recommend that you change the way you communicate with me. Bear with me on this forum for another 2 months and see me next time 24 years ago. I am currently developing a time distortion technology that is based on the creation of two electronic singularities that arise through manipulation of massless particles and the further use of Higgs bosons for instant mass transfer. Seems this is my technology, not yours. The fact that you cannot believe in something is only your problem.

 

[secretman381]

Well, of course, you know better, you were born in 1998, or maybe this is the year of my birth? Of course, I didn’t start this story, I’m still too young, the cycle will close when I go from 2036 to 1975, then I’ll be about 40 years old (in 2036), I’m still young. But it's definitely not you. I would recommend that you change the way you communicate with me. Bear with me on this forum for another 2 months and see me next time 24 years ago. I am currently developing a time distortion technology that is based on the creation of two electronic singularities that arise through manipulation of massless particles and the further use of Higgs bosons for instant mass transfer. Seems this is my technology, not yours. The fact that you cannot believe in something is only your problem.

What is your name and I just wonder why is this time machine is your?

 

[Darby]

Twenty-four years ago neither you nor anyone else started this story. The reason you didn't start the story twenty-four years ago is because the story was not created twenty-four years ago. It was created and started online at some time other than 2000. When and where was that and with whom?

 

[JudasTitor]

Unfortunately I have to inform you that you have less than 12 years left..

Sir, the US has 5 years worth of oil reserves left, and 7 years with a 7 million barrels per day import.

 

[Time travel_Ο]

What is your name and I just wonder why is this time machine is your?

Long story. It's mine because I developed it (theory, design, engineering)

Twenty-four years ago neither you nor anyone else started this story. The reason you didn't start the story twenty-four years ago is because the story was not created twenty-four years ago. It was created and started online at some time other than 2000. When and where was that and with whom?

I see that you don’t even understand the basics of space-time physics, what can we talk about with you if you don’t know how cause-and-effect relationships work.

Sir, the US has 5 years worth of oil reserves left, and 7 years with a 7 million barrels per day import.

Your information is not true

 

[JudasTitor]

Your information is not true

365 days × 20 million bopd = 7.3 billion barrels per year

36.5 billion barrels ÷ 7.3 billion barrels = 5 years.

It is really just that simple.

 

[Darby]

I see that you don’t even understand the basics of space-time physics, what can we talk about with you if you don’t know how cause-and-effect relationships work.

It's not a issue of spacetime physics or causal relationships. It's a matter of the you've thumbed through the original threads that were started on this site and on Post-2-Post. But the answer to my questions won't be found in any of those threads. The "Titor Saga" didn't start in 2000, 24 years ago. I'm still waiting.

The questions are straight forward, aren't trick questions, don't require any knowledge of general relativity whatsoever and they have been asked and answered here at least couple dozen times since 2001. I'll ask again in case you forget what the questions were: On exactly what date did the saga start, where did it start start and with whom? These are really easy questions to answer. If you don't know the answers it's OK to say, "I don't know."

It's not a issue of spacetime physics or causal relationships. It's a matter of the you've thumbed through the original threads that were started on this site and on Post-2-Post. But the answer to my questions won't be found in any of those threads. The "Titor Saga" didn't start in 2000, 24 years ago. I'm still waiting.

BTW:
You talk about not understanding "the basics of spacetime physics" as if the subject is simple. It isn't. A university physics major will be introduced to special relativity during their freshman year. During that year they will fully master and understand SR. Several years later during their first year of grad school they will be introduced to general relativity. General relativity, i.e. "basic spacetime physics" is so difficult that a university physics major needs four years of studying undergrad physics and advanced math, including differential geometry, before they have the background to begin to study general relativity. So please excuse me for not being embarrassed that I don't understand "basic spacetime physics" when a person with a BS in physics also doesn't understand "basic spacetime physics."

 

[Darby]

Twenty-four years ago neither you nor anyone else started this story. The reason you didn't start the story twenty-four years ago is because the story was not created twenty-four years ago. It was created and started online at some time other than 2000. When and where was that and with whom?

Obviously you don't know the answer. I've given you sufficient time so I'll let everyone else in on the "secret" which isn't a secret at all.

The Titor Saga began on July 29, 1998 on Art Bell's radio program Coast to Coast AM. Art received the following fax and read it on the air:

"Dear Art,

I had to fax when I heard other time travelers calling in from any time past the year 2500 AD. Please let me explain....

Time travel was invented in 2034. Off shoots of certain successful fusion reactor research allowed scientists at CERN to produce the worlds first contained singularity engine. The basic design involves rotating singularities inside a magnetic field. By altering the speed and direction of rotation you can travel both forward and backward in time. Time itself can be understood in terms of connected lines. When you go back in time you travel on your original time line when you turn the singularity engine off a new time line is created due to the fact that you and your time machine are now there. In other words a new universe is created. To get back to your original line you must travel a split second farther back and immediately throw the engine into forward without turning it off.

Some interesting outcomes of this are: you meet yourself I have done it often even taken a younger version of myself along for a few rides before returning myself to the new timeline and going back to mine. You can alter history in the new universe that you have just created. Most of the time the changes are subtle. the oldest one was a sky scraper that don't exist in New York. Interestingly when you travel in time you must compensate for the orbit of the Earth since the time machine doesn't move you have to adjust the engine so you remain on the planet when you turn it off.

Now for the future you might want to know about: Y2K is a disaster . Many people die on the highways when they freeze to death trying to get to warmer weather. The gov. tries to keep power by instituting marshal law but all of it collapses when their efforts to bring the power back up fail.
A few years later a communal government system is developed after the constitution takes a few twists. China retakes Taiwan, Israel wins the largest battle for their life and Russia is covered in Nuclear snow from their collapsed reactors."

Thereafter Art Bell and his wife received some very real assassination threats from Philippine organized crime figures (his wife from born in the Philippines). Art "retired" from his radio program on October 13, 1998. Over the next two years he retired and returned a couple of times. On one of those occasions he returned in April 2000. Shortly after that return he received a second fax from Titor/TT0. In late April of 2000 he read it on the air:

"Dear Mr. Bell I am glad you 're back. I faxed this information to you the day before you left the air. I wanted to make sure it wasn't lost in the shuffle so I am sending a gift. If you've already seen this please accept my apologies if you choose to make this public please do not publish the fax number:

I had to fax when I heard the other time traveler calling in from the recent time past in fact the year 2500 AD.
Let me explain...

Mr. Bell I sent a fax with this opening on July 29 1998. As I said then I am a time traveler. I have been on this world line since April of this year and I plan to leave soon. Typically time travelers do not purposely affect the world lines they visit. However this mission is unusually long and I've grown attached to some of the people I have met here.

(Art: Isn't that the Stockholm syndrome or something?)
Anyway for my own reasons I have decided to help this world line by sharing information about the future with a few people in the hope that it will help their future. I am contacting you for the same reason. Unfortunately there is no historical reference to your program in my world line.

I believe you can change your future by creating one now. Some of the information presented on your program maybe invaluable to upline researchers. I suggest you isolate the programs that concentrate on military technology and new physics theories. Transcribe these programs and put them someplace safe away from the box. I recommend someplace in the mid west.

(Art: Away from the box what does he mean?)

I also urge you to reconsider your paranoia to the Russians

(Art: I am not paranoid about the Russians)

They are not preparing for war with the average US citizen. They are preparing for war with the US government. They will eventually save this country and the lives of million of Americans. I realize my claims are a bit difficult to accept so I will send the following once I know you have received this fax. A few pages from the operations manual of my time machine. And a few colored photographs of my vehicle.

( Art: Alright so you know I got it. Send them along.)

If you wish to contact me I will be happy to share with you the nature of time , the physics of time travel and some of the events of your future.

(Art: God I hadn't read this earlier.)

Please send a return package to...

(Art declined too read the return address on the air)."
So the answer you should have given, but didn't, was the Titor Saga began 26 years ago, not 24 years ago, on July 29, 1998. And it began with Art Bell, not Time Travel Institute or Art Bell's BBS Post-2-Post.

TimeTravel_0 was next heard from on October 14, 2000 on an unknown European IRC. He had a conversation with Yareisa and G degrees. We have the log of that conversation and I have confirmed with Yareisa that the conversation did occur and the log is correct.

Titor/TTO was next heard from here on November 2, 2000 on OP Paul Curran's "Time Travel Paradoxes" thread which he hijacked.

"IP: Logged
TimeTravel_0
unregistered posted 02 November 2000 01:16

TimeTravel_0--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Wow! Paul is right on the money. I was just about to give up hope on anyone knowing who Tipler or Kerr was on this worldline.

By the way, #2 is the correct answer and the basics for time travel start at CERN in about a year and end in 2034 with the first "time machine" built by GE. Too bad we can't post pictures or I'de show it to you."

 

[Time travel_Ο]

Twenty-four years ago neither you nor anyone else started this story. The reason you didn't start the story twenty-four years ago is because the story was not created twenty-four years ago. It was created and started online at some time other than 2000. When and where was that and with whom?

It's not a issue of spacetime physics or causal relationships. It's a matter of the you've thumbed through the original threads that were started on this site and on Post-2-Post. But the answer to my questions won't be found in any of those threads. The "Titor Saga" didn't start in 2000, 24 years ago. I'm still waiting.

The questions are straight forward, aren't trick questions, don't require any knowledge of general relativity whatsoever and they have been asked and answered here at least couple dozen times since 2001. I'll ask again in case you forget what the questions were: On exactly what date did the saga start, where did it start start and with whom? These are really easy questions to answer. If you don't know the answers it's OK to say, "I don't know."

The thing is that you don't know this information, you can't know where and when the saga began, so you can't confirm or deny any of my answers. I'm tired of repeating to you, a person who believes in legends. Titor is not one person, we are a group of people and Titor is a time travel project. Not a respected person, I can ask you only one question, which you will never be able to answer, namely "through which computer were the first messages left, then where was this computer, what network did it use, etc., you don't know, but I do. All you know about the Titor project is only what we let you know on this forum, your knowledge is limited only to messages left 23 years ago.

 

[secretman381]

The thing is that you don't know this information, you can't know where and when the saga began, so you can't confirm or deny any of my answers. I'm tired of repeating to you, a person who believes in legends. Titor is not one person, we are a group of people and Titor is a time travel project. Not a respected person, I can ask you only one question, which you will never be able to answer, namely "through which computer were the first messages left, then where was this computer, what network did it use, etc., you don't know, but I do. All you know about the Titor project is only what we let you know on this forum, your knowledge is limited only to messages left 23 years ago.

What do u think of aliens? And what do u think of it about aliens came and look inside of my chest area? Tell me did u go to the future yet? Did u get a time travel belt? Write back

 

[Darby]

The thing is that you don't know this information, you can't know where and when the saga began, so you can't confirm or deny any of my answers. I'm tired of repeating to you, a person who believes in legends. Titor is not one person, we are a group of people and Titor is a time travel project. Not a respected person, I can ask you only one question, which you will never be able to answer, namely "through which computer were the first messages left, then where was this computer, what network did it use, etc., you don't know, but I do. All you know about the Titor project is only what we let you know on this forum, your knowledge is limited only to messages left 23 years ago.

All we know here is what we know. Sure, a quarter of a century later anyone can come onto the forum, again, and claim that Titor/TTO wasn't being factual about who "they" were. It's an easy claim to make without any proof. For me, I don't believe you any more than I believe the two dozen plus other people who have made similar claims over the years. This is not nova notitia.

The evidence on the table suggests a single author, Boomer. The evidence from Ben Z suggests that there was a They but that was limited to The Book (though it is not inconceivable that They were involved from the beginning and produced everything at VISI Corp).

There is, however, one piece of information that you could present on the forum that would give you a clear advantage and go a long way toward credibility: The Song. If you want credibility "name that tune".

 

[Time travel_Ο]

What do u think of aliens? And what do u think of it about aliens came and look inside of my chest area? Tell me did u go to the future yet? Did u get a time travel belt? Write back

Aliens exist, but not in the format you think. It's our civilization, only from the distant future.

All we know here is what we know. Sure, a quarter of a century later anyone can come onto the forum, again, and claim that Titor/TTO wasn't being factual about who "they" were. It's an easy claim to make without any proof. For me, I don't believe you any more than I believe the two dozen plus other people who have made similar claims over the years. This is not nova notitia.

The evidence on the table suggests a single author, Boomer. The evidence from Ben Z suggests that there was a They but that was limited to The Book (though it is not inconceivable that They were involved from the beginning and produced everything at VISI Corp).

There is, however, one piece of information that you could present on the forum that would give you a clear advantage and go a long way toward credibility: The Song. If you want credibility "name that tune".

Is this the song about the road and the difficulties that had to be overcome?
Do you want me to tell you what was valuable in the IBM 5100?. : Kenneth's technology that was developed in the 1960s, which later received the name APL - a programming language capable of performing huge calculations and rewriting systems. The IBM 5100 was the first desktop computer to support APL.

 

[secretman381]

Aliens exist, but not in the format you think. It's our civilization, only from the distant futute

I have a another question for u have u heard of astral projection time travel? Write back but so u build that device
John Time machine when will it be done? Write back

 

[Time travel_Ο]

I have a another question for u have u heard of astral projection time travel? Write back but so u build that device
John Time machine when will it be done? Write back

In this world everything is possible, just need to develop brain correctly

 

[Traveler 25042]

Hmm, perhaps one of the elder loremasters here on TTI can fill in any gaps I have in understanding the importance of the IBM 5100.

To me, it seems a whole lot of mythos is misplaced on the hardware. The 5100's are simple enough systems that you can run one in your browser. If for whatever reason an IBM 5100 specifically was needed to debug some legacy system, you're not worried about the hardware...you really want something that can interact with the different layers of the OSI model for the given system. Whatever legacy device you're debugging with the IBM has no idea whether it's talking to an IBM or a VM telling it that it's an IBM. There's nothing arcane about the physical architecture of the IBM that would change how two systems would interface.

Anyway linked below is an IBM 5100 for everyone on TTI to use. I happen to have an IBM 5100 in my computer nerd collection, and I'm still not convinced why an IBM 5100 should be more special than something like the PDP-11? PDP-11 was crucial in Unix history, supports APL, C, Fortran, and basic. It'd make a way better MacGuffin imo.

IBM 5110 Emulator in JavaScript by Norbert Kehrer

 

[Cosmo]

Hmm, perhaps one of the elder loremasters here on TTI can fill in any gaps I have in understanding the importance of the IBM 5100.

To me, it seems a whole lot of mythos is misplaced on the hardware. The 5100's are simple enough systems that you can run one in your browser. If for whatever reason an IBM 5100 specifically was needed to debug some legacy system, you're not worried about the hardware...you really want something that can interact with the different layers of the OSI model for the given system. Whatever legacy device you're debugging with the IBM has no idea whether it's talking to an IBM or a VM telling it that it's an IBM. There's nothing arcane about the physical architecture of the IBM that would change how two systems would interface.

Anyway linked below is an IBM 5100 for everyone on TTI to use. I happen to have an IBM 5100 in my computer nerd collection, and I'm still not convinced why an IBM 5100 should be more special than something like the PDP-11? PDP-11 was crucial in Unix history, supports APL, C, Fortran, and basic. It'd make a way better MacGuffin imo.

IBM 5110 Emulator in JavaScript by Norbert Kehrer

Great link, this is awesome. I'm cleaning up the Titor info behind the scenes and I'll definitely link to this, thanks!

 

[JudasTitor]

Unfortunately I have to inform you that you have less than 12 years left..

Well I would certainly hope we will have a functional C204 by 2036......

 

[Darby]

Hmm, perhaps one of the elder loremasters here on TTI can fill in any gaps I have in understanding the importance of the IBM 5100.

Here's what Titor/TTO said about why he needed an IBM 5100 though at other times he said it was an IBM 5110. In response to Pamela Moore's request for an item that had gone through time traveling he sent her the back panel label from the computer. He said it was the label from the IBM 5100 even though the photo Pamela posted was the label from a 5110. Anyway here's Titor's statement about why he needed the IBM 5100:

Posted by John Titor on 02-01-2001 08:36 AM "I Am From 2036" Post-3-Post

The 5100 had a very simple and unique feature that IBM did not account for and decided it was not in their best interest to advertise (which in hindsight was not very smart). This accidental feature was thus removed from any future desktop computers. In order to take advantage of this feature, the 5100 I have now required a couple of special “tweaks” that had to be done by one of the software engineers in 1975. Anyone who is familiar with this feature and was told to keep their mouth shut about it will be able to tell you what it is.

Here's Dr. Robert G. Brown, PhD, Duke University Physics told us in an email. Remember that this email was sent circa 2003. Notice that just about everything that Brown says doesn't seem to exist in Titor's World of 2036 (and didn't in many cases exist in this world in 2003) now exist in the present - just as Dr. Brown predicted:

And no no no, there is no way anybody could POSSIBLY care enough about "old IBM languages" for which the 5100 is a presumed portable bridge to send somebody back with a very expensive toy at high risk to retrieve one. I mean, what critical program or information could POSSIBLY exist at that time? Programs -- give me something to program -- anything to program -- and I'll cut programs that supercede the entire code base accessible to pre-1975 computers in six months. Programming is goddamn easy, and the world abounds in good programmers and truly superior programming environments NOW. By 2036, if they've done nothing else they will have created five or sixfold improved programming environments, possibly integrated with at least rudimentary AI.

Lessee, following Moore's Law and being VERY CONSERVATIVE with full TWO YEAR doubling time, we expect 16 doublings in constant-cost power between now and then. That is, an el cheapo personal computer of 2036 ought to be roughly 64000 times more powerful than an el cheapo PC today, just as today's are amazingly some twenty or thirty thousand times more powerful than that good old IBM 5100. With a laptop running at the power equivalency of a few hundred TERAHertz, with local disk storage capable of holding a few petabytes of data (that would be 10^15 bytes), with network capacity to the household reasonably expected to be easily into the gigabyte per second range if not the terabyte per second range, the guy describes "the web" of that time as if it is more or less the same as it is now. No automated realtime videoconferencing. No voice activated, high bandwidth wireless connected PDA's with far more compute, storage, and network capacity than a system currently sitting directly on the T3 cloud. No mention of megalibraries, collation of world-data, AI at all. Bo-ring. Wrong. This guy may be from the future, but not MY future. In my future, war or not, nobody will give a rodent's furry behind about antique IBM code "readable only by an IBM 5100".

What, people suddenly became very, very stupid and couldn't write a decompiler or disassembler for a system that had a literal handful of machine instructions (mind you, I >>learned<< those instructions taking a microarchitecture course back in, uh, 1975, and they were extraordinarily clearly documented then as IBM documented the shyte out of everything! Those documents STILL exist, I'm absolutely certain, and have very likely made their way into electronic archives that would survive a nuclear war. I'd find it more believable if he said that he was returning to pick up one of those manuals -- it would be faster and easier to write an assembler-simulator (one of my HOMEWORK PROBLEMS back there in 1975) in e.g. PERL straight from the manual and run it on a virtual machine (especially a 127 THz virtual machine with an AI unit helping you program than it would be to get an IBM 5100 to do anything at all.

As before I've inserted the bold italic for emphasis. This time to highlight the predictions made by Dr. Brown that Titor/TTO missed entirely. This is the "big one" that Titor missed entirely: "No voice activated, high bandwidth wireless connected PDA's." We no longer call them PDAs (personal digital assistant). We call them iPhones and Galaxy Phones.

 

[Darby]

The reason for building a time machine to obtain a first edition of the IBM 5100 because it had some super secret ability to read and edit IBM "legacy code" was complete BS. First, there really was no IBM legacy code to speak of. Prior to 1964 when IBM sold a mainframe it did so without providing an operating system or any software. The new owner was expected to write their own programs starting with an in-house, proprietary OS. In 1964 IBM released the IBM/360. It was more of a general purpose mainframe computer that came with a choice of operating systems, including DOS/360 the grandparent of IBM PC-DOS, compilers, emulators and assorted software. In 1975 IBM released the IBM 5100. It included a version of BASIC and APL. The version of APL also had a compiler and emulator that could read, write and edit the mainframe languages. That was apparently the super secret that Titor mentioned that was neither super nor secret. It was part of the vanilla package.

Today there are several IBM 5100 emulators. One can be found at Norbert's Emulators (https://norbertkehrer.github.io/ibm5110_js.html). It's software and it can run on multiple platforms. In other words, there was absolutely no reason to time travel to 1975 to get something that was readily available in 2036.

I've mentioned that Titor/TTO started making errors. He'd forget what he had said at one time and/or on another BBS. With respect to the super secret regarding the IBM 5100 here's what he said on Anomalies.net where I was one of the Admins:

Parallel Universes, Anomalies.net

TimeTravel_0

unregistered posted 30 December 2000 13:37
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To: Roel van Houten

You said you are confused by the 5100 story. I will explain further. In 2036, it was discovered (or at least known after testing) that the 5100 computer was capable of reading and changing all of the legacy code written by IBM before the release of that system and still be able to create new code in APL and basic. That is the reason we need it in 2036. However, that information was never published by IBM because it would have probably destroyed a large part of their business infrastructure in the early 70s. In fact, I would bet the engineers were probably told to keep their mouth’s shut.

Do you see the not-so-subtle difference between this post on Anomalies.net and what he said on Post-2-Post above? Here he says that he "would bet" that the engineers were "probably" told to keep their mouths shut. On Post-2-Post he said that anyone familiar with the function "were told to keep their mouth shut about it ".

There is a Grand Canyon wide gap between betting that the engineers were probably told to keep their mouths shut and being told to keep their mouths shut. There's nothing subtle about the difference between the two statements. It was an embellishment because by 1-FEB-2001 he was feeling both his confidence and wine a lot more than on 30-DEC-2000.

So he's been inconsistent with the identification of the computer (5100 vs. 5110), the certainty that the engineers were threatened or not and the reason for even needing the computer due to multiple successful emulators being available. The computer portion of the story did not make sense.

A bit more BS: Titor/TTO had no clue about the IBM business model. A computer that had the ability to read, write and edit legacy software would have had no effect on IBM. It would not have "destroyed a large part of their business infrastructure in the early 70s". Just like Apple, IBM is primarily a hardware developer, not a software developer. They build computers. They also deliver operating systems with their hardware. What the user can do with the software is their business so long as they don't violate IBM's EULA, patents or copyrights.