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Titorian

Temporal Novice
Hello all;

My name is "Jon Titor". I am a wayward time traveler from the year 2044. I was a poster over at Time Travel Portal for about a month but after a conflict with another poster (compounded by indifferent moderator), I am currently seeking a new online place to call home.

My story briefly. Time travel is discovered in 2009 when after a series of failures, the scientists predict they will be unable to send particles back in time to 10 seconds before they launch the (triple-checked) experiment because 10 seconds before they do it, particles appear. After this, Michio Kaku writes a book outlining the practical theory and application of physical time travel based on a new branch of physics which starts a race to see which organization can build one that actually works, The Branson Foundation wins.

The evolution of time travel happened in steps over a thirty year period. First it was subatomic particles, then a stream of electromagnetism which was refined to become actual information which was later refined to become coherent information which became emails to the past which ultimately resulted in the ability to send blueprints back in time for a landing pod to recieve time travelers from the future which is what brought me to this time. In 2044, anyone can time travel but it costs $15 million to do and is a one way trip. I am perhaps the 50th person to use the Branson time machine and there are others like me among you, just as there will be many more as time advances.

I was born in 1982 and currently my younger alternate self is 24 years old. I am 62 years old and decided to take the trip back in time because of my terminal health- time travel is a one way trip. I have arranged for a package to be delivered to my younger self upon my death which contains the "wealth" of information time travel has to offer in addition to health information which will prevent my younger self from getting to a terminal point; in effect I am remaking myself.

I am currently living in Celebration, Florida in the many hotels and resorts Disney has to offer. Partly because of the irony of being "Jon Titor living in Celebration, Fla" (I am also a Titor fan), partly because this is a nice place to be, partly because my younger self does not come here during this time and partly because this is a large anonymous place full of stangers and I can go unnoticed.

My attorney paid for my time traveling trip in exchange for information to be delivered to his younger self. I also put this man on retainer to establish my identity here and take care of things I cannot. I decided to contact the online community because in the future my younger self will become a poster over at the Time Travel Portal and by that time I will be but a distant memory to a website that will disappear when time travel becomes a reality.

I have never heard of this particular website, unfortunately I am "publically applying" to be a poster here due to circumstances over at TTP. My online posting as a time traveler is my diary of living in this time and in the end will in part explain everything that led up to the moment my other self recieves that package. I am a time traveling fan like all of you, and when the right time presented itself I jumped at the chance to make it happen- I am here to tell that story.

One thing I do not appreciate is cynicism. I understand doubt and uncertainty but at the very least I expect my own air time. The future I come from is the same exact future you are living in- there is no "alternate worldline" or "divergence"- I am the result of this history eventually inventing time travel and myself going through to this time- your "present" is my distant past. In exchange, I am not here to "prevent some ungodly event from happening" and I don't speak in anagrams or drop clues and hints to be interpreted a thousand different ways- I speak plainly: I am simply here to record my tale for my younger self to read after I am gone.

I will answer questions about the future but causality and Uncertainty rules- simply put, I do not belong here now. If I knocked on the door of my other self, the moment he would open it I would cease to exist. And in the larger extent, "The Butterfly Effect" is true: if I give out enough information about the future I will rewrite history to a degree where I no longer exist in it. I posted at TTF because when time travel is discovered a million websites pop up and that one gets lost in the shuffle, I do not know the fate of this site but I never heard of this one either.

As such, I am unable to give winning lottery numbers (because of the nature of Uncertainty), unwilling to give specific, actionable information (because of causality) and ungiving of information which will alter time- because from my perspective, the past 37 years are knowable, factual, historical history to me: the less I change things, the more I know. Your future is a mix of good and bad and ultimately it ends up in 2044 where I am stepping into a time machine- I do not want that to change- at least until I am gone.

I have already given substantial information over at TTF regarding the future and perhaps will copy and paste it here for continuity's sake. I am not here to change the future, I am here to relive the end of my life in the distant past in a place and time where I know the outcome of all events- been there, done that... I am one of you except I jumped at the chance and became a real life time traveler.

I publically submit myself to you folks to see if I could be a welcomed poster here or yet another time traveler claim.
 
Titorian,

I will answer questions about the future but causality and Uncertainty rules- simply put, I do not belong here now. If I knocked on the door of my other self, the moment he would open it I would cease to exist. And in the larger extent, "The Butterfly Effect" is true: if I give out enough information about the future I will rewrite history to a degree where I no longer exist in it.
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If there is no "alternatate worldline" and you are here, why do you conclude that you "don't belong here"? And if you had some interaction with "yourself" why would you disappear from existence?

Actually, if there is no alternative worldline, why did you refer to younger self as "my younger alternate self " in your post?
 
Titorian,

One last question for now:

If you're a "Titor Fan" as you stated on TTP but you'd never heard of this site before, as you stated in your post above...

Titor only posted on two sites; here and on Art Bell's now defunct "Post-2-Post". I have to assume that you've read his posts if you're a fan. So how is it that you are a fan but never heard of this site before?
 
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Darby-
My apologies and in all humility- I have said before that I know some of you posters from my distant past and you are one of them over at TTF- you're also somewhat a "mythical hero" or celebrity in the future. I am not John Titor- I have assumed the name "Jon Titor" to be clever and to protect my identity. I am a totally different, unrelated person.

Another mythical hero is Pamela "Moore" who sadly was the first to go among the core of Titor believers- I see she is an occasional poster on this forum which is great- I'd love to speak to her too- I'd love to have your autographs while we're at it! Hi Pamela! Time is on my side, yes it is! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Regarding John Titor: when time travel becomes a practical application, a million websites pop up and suddenly, time travel is popular. Many time traveling movies have been made and among them we regard the John Titor story as the gold standard- I have personally seen dozens of Titor-like movies and documentaries.

The real story of John Titor itself is part fantasy, part make believe, partly educated guesses and as a whole good entertainment. What sets John Titor apart from the rest is that he was the first to break through and successfully sell himself as a time traveler- only time revealed The John Titor story for what it is which makes great TV- in 2044 the debate is still going, only we have you "Titor believers" to thank for keeping it alive. I am not here to sell myself as much as "live amongst you"- I "broke through" and am here to follow in John Titor's footsteps only for real.

My birthday is May 17th and once again in specific regard to The John Titor story- his story is for the most part accurate, but from a different perspective. Once again I defer to TTF. I'm already glad I came here instead of sinking to a lower level just to communicate!

In response to your follow up questions, simply put, there are theoretical infinite alternate universes but only one tangable reality. My "getting here" involved- on the scientific level- my popping out of existence at one point and my popping into reality at another- here. I do not belong here and quite literally if I ran into my younger self I would decorporalize with a gush of wind. The science behind this is "Kaku's Time" which in layman's terms is E=MC2 in reverse- matter and energy are both equally quotents of acceleration, as such, C=ME2. This "first person physics" makes it possible to side-step or cheat physics and allow time travel. The time machine I went through operates through quanta of magnetism and gravity... at one mathematical point I simply become irrelevant to 2044 reality and more relevant to 2006 reality- then I am in 2006. I appear in 2006 in "discrete redundant quotents" to overcome Uncertainty and all of a sudden I really exist here now.

I refer to "myself" as "my alternate, younger self" because we're both me which freaks me out. If I met myself, I could sit down and tell myself every mistake I made and I'd love to except for causality. The only way it makes sense is to say the universe is alive and were such a paradox to happen it would be easier for the universe to pop "me" out of existence then allow two me's to exist (and the continuity and causality that goes with it). In other words, "I" am "me" only until "my other me" realizes "I" am "me". LOL As such, I plan to violate causality after my death- at that point in time my coffin will suddenly become empty- I will cease to exist yet I will endure as my other, younger, alternate, newly knowledgable self- a new person: me endured... me all over again.

As to your other question, when time travel becomes reality, a million websites pop up and most "historical" websites like TTF get lost in the shuffle. And a million different John Titor stories pop up shedding light a million different ways on the John Titor story. I was shocked to see the story of John Titor alive in only a few places here and now- I always thought everyone in 2007 was waiting for CERN to "do what it's supposed to do"- in 2044 John Titor is as popular as JD Salinger (who is still alive today BTW!). In the larger extent, the idea of time travel becomes commercialized to the point of where there's well over over a hundred TT movies- each with its own twist or take, all of which have a grain of Titor in them.

The core of the story is John Titor's own words plus the core supporters Javier, Darby and Pamela. The rest is conjecture and the whole of it is good sci fi.

I apologize for the spelling of this thread- I only now realized I typed "yer" instead of "yet". Oh well- no one is perfect.
 
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Ps- The "Great granddaddy" of time travel is a show called "The Wizard of Space and Time". If anyone has any info on this I'd love to hear it /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif I see no direct reference to it today- help!
 
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Huh? What does this mean? "Another mythical hero is Pamela "Moore" who sadly was the first to go among the core of Titor believers-"
 
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"I'd love to have your autographs while we're at it! Hi Pamela! Time is on my side, yes it is!"

Sure. why not.
But it is going to involve you or someone else driving you to Ohio and meeting me in person.
I would also like a small gift that came from 2044 in exchange. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Play this out with me. You're saying the butterfly effect is real- that your every action affects all other actions everywhere. And that you do not belong here, and you've been here for over a month. And you're here to alter your "other self". It just doesn't add up- all of this cannot be true, you should have popped out of existence already. If nothing else, your contacting and altering "the same, younger lawyer" would be enough to pop you out of existence.

What did you bring back to 2007 with you?
Why did you come to this particular time?
Was John Titor revealed in 2038?
Who wins the Super Bowl?
Do you have any winning lottery numbers?
Do you have any predictions to make?
What is wrong with you- "terminal health"?
You altering your other self will alter the future, right?
Why have you been registered to this forum for over a month?

I also searched "The Wizard of Space and Time" and found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wizard_of_Speed_and_Time

Is this what you mean? That was some B movie, not a TV show. And since you're from the identical future, you should already know that.

If you're publically applying to be a member in this forum I say bring it on! I give you one week before you start giving riddles, or speaking doubletalk or have to suddenly go.
 
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Titorian,

The science behind this is "Kaku's Time" which in layman's terms is E=MC2 in reverse- matter and energy are both equally quotents of acceleration, as such, C=ME2.
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Are you sure about this "equation"?

Why does "c" appear in E=mc^2 in the first place? What is the purpose of that symbol in the equation? As such does it commutate with (me)^2?

If there is no "alternatate worldline" and you are here, why do you conclude that you "don't belong here"? And if you had some interaction with "yourself" why would you disappear from existence?
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You didn't answer this question.

Restated: If there is only one "worldline", i.e. we assume that the Everett-Wheeler model of QM is wrong, why is there any particular problem with interacting with "yourself"? What is the underlying science behind this conjecture (without reliance on anecdotal references). Something a bit more rigorous than "the universe is alive and were such a paradox to happen it would be easier for the universe to pop "me" out of existence."

Why, at the quantum level, is this a "paradox"?

Start with the interaction of a single sub-atomic particle from your "younger self" and your "old self". If a single sub-atomic particle from your body floated through the air and touched your younger self would the particles "disappear"? If not both, which one? How do you tell which particle is which?

Next start adding particles to the mix. When does this mix become "you"? Why, assuming that it is true, does this interaction differ from the earlier interaction?

In your theory what is the rigorous physical definition of "yourself" in the sense that you present it here?
 
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"'I am not a physicist' said the layman from 2044 to the physicist of 2007." All credit goes to Michio Kaku. Here's one year's-worth of 2044 high school science for you folks. I just don't want to misrep. Darby- here is your non-anecdotal response:

According to Wikipedia, "In physics, E = mc2 is an important and well-known equation, which states an equivalence between energy (E) and mass (m), in direct proportion to the square of the speed of light in a vacuum (c2)."

This suggests that everything that "exists" is either "energy" or "mass" and they're both quanta relative to light speed- thus "the tangable universe". In all physicalty, this is incorrect. Energy cannot be "solid energy" and mass cannot possibly be "solid mass"- the universe has boundries and among them, mass can never move at light speed (a black hole is never "closed") and energy can never be at rest (or infinite). We currently call this discrepany between "numbers on paper" and "reality" "CBR". So yes- mass can be turned into Hiroshima, but it can never restart the Big Bang.

Furthermore, "the speed of light in a vacuum" is impossible to ever accurately measure, so all measurements in the universe are at best "probable". As such, E=MC2 should be ajusted to "E=MC2 but it never really does" which makes no sense.

What clears this up is acceleration... movement. Everything, everywhere, all time time all over the place everywhere is always in constant motion. Black holes leak and gamma radiation builds up to finite bursts... nothing is ever at rest ever.

Here's the leap.

Black holes and gamma radiation are dynamic expressions of cosmic background radiation (CBR) on a sliding scale between "mass" and "energy". It's the frequency everything in the universe adheres to: it permeates everything everywhere... every cell in your body has a tensor field complaint with CBR... it HAS TO for you to exist within the universe: it's The Big Bang defined!

And with that simple realization, a simpler law of the universe came into being: first person physics, or the catch phrase: "C=ME2". C=ME2 is "E=MC2 turned inside out" and in the process comes a way to simply side-step physics itself and do the impossible.

What energy and mass have in common is acceleration. "Energy" and "mass" exist somewhere on some sliding scale, we just don't know what the scale is, at best we suppose it's "gravitons" (then we go to bed happy). And since we don't truly know (since it's unprovable; falsifiable), we cannot adequately unify the four fundamental forces of existence- thus we're in 2007.

Well, everything everywhere is made of acceleration, only in different "densities"- we call them "states of energy and mass" which are clearly defined and "sufficiently seperated as to be definable". Proof of this is in the apparent fact that "mass" can never be at rest (absolute zero is an impossible state) and "energy" must always remain in motion (you can't "trap light": conservation.)

As such, if we can control acceleration, we inadvertantly/automatically control mass and energy and in the process, simply side-step physics and do, among other things, time travel.
Why time travel? Because the most direct concequence of us "always being in motion" is the logical progression of time. "If you affect acceleration, you affect time." This is the concept that opened the door to really really building a time machine- a race which The Branson Foundation: a multi-billion dollar corporation with no practical charter won when they discovered the correct ratio between magnetism and gravity- (it's a magnetized centrifuge) which, with enough energy, is capable of blinking a person out of tangable existence "here and now" and into somewhere else in time- the key being the rate of deceleration: into another, more logical, earlier place in time: the past- where a recieving pod is waiting to recieve you.

The only concequence of actually doing this is causality- since you discovered you can side-step physics and do the impossible, "the universe" must be considered a living thing for you to contuine to exist within it as a part of it. And if a clear contradiction occurs within the realm of this new branch of physics, it's simply easier for the coherent, continuitous universe to pop "the double you" out of existence than remake the Big Bang- after all, the universe is a very large, complicated and equilibriated place. ("The universe is alive".)

Regarding "Why, at the quantum level, is this a 'paradox'?"

There are seven "realms" that define reality, not "10 or 11 dimensions". They are:
1. Subatomic: the entire subatomic realm. " Quanta of mass and energy that make sense only for finite periods of time"
2. Atomic: atoms: our 92 logical elements plus the logic that allows more (or less).
3. Tangable: mass and energy: us; our world.
4. Cyclical: solar systems and their biometric capabiltiy
5. Orbital: galaxies
6. General: the logical progression of galaxies (us towards (read:) "the great accelerator")
7. God (indefinable)

What do all (or the first six) have in common? Everything, everywhere, all time time all over the place everywhere is always in constant motion: acceleration rules.

My existing here... the mere possibility of the possibility of the reality of me potentially really existing here is enough to affect causality: these fields (and reality at large) are the concequence of me really really existing within a place and time I logically shouldn't be in. In other words- Causalty- see: Grandpa.

Darby- I hope this provides a sufficiently scientifically acceptable answer to you questions(s). The future is a lot more pracitcalitally philisohical than it is today- don't get me started on "religion"...
 
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Guess he didn't like my sense of humor. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Actually meeting a real time traveler is just as exciting to us as it would be to you.
We would be exchanging autographs.
 
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More of the Wizzard...@

http://www.wizworld.com/

and youtube:

1983 short version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiLsbx4D8eI

1979 Original Short
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZElVf8ld3T0&mode=related&search=

Time tripper 1978
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsdas9Z_btc&mode=related&search=

Mike Jittlov: Swing Shift (1974)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSWNBX1ZC9o&mode=related&search=

and so on...more sub-genius stuff LOL


Regards
Waiting for a Pink Timetraveler...

Slacks
http://www.subgenius.com/

/ttiforum/images/graemlins/yum.gif

P.S.
btw Pam! i want your Autograph!!! and the Darby`s Too!!!
 
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Pamela- by 2044 there are several documentaries and movies about John Titor and in them all to one degree or another are you, Darby and Javier who play either the people who chatted with Titor or people who stayed and kept his story alive and in 2044 you are deceased- sorry. I don't have/can't get a driver's license and Ohio is quite a ride for me to take a cab. I'll go OT re this.

1.What did you bring back to 2007 with you?
Myself, Old Navy clothes and a small cache of gold bars which I have since sold most of.

2.Why did you come to this particular time?
I did not pick the exact date, my "assignment" was to deliver information to someone at the right moment in time- early December 2006.

3.Was John Titor revealed in 2038?
The "John Titor Story" is very popular in 2044 but it's a story- John Titor does not pop in in 2038 and there is only one reality.

4.Who wins the Super Bowl?
I'll tell you if you can tell me without looking who won the 1923 World Series without looking it up.

5.Do you have any winning lottery numbers?
No- lotteries are random chance and are very causal- they are literally random. If you could go back 5 seconds over and over again to witness the flip of a coin, you could not predict its outcome. This alone makes "predicting Super Bowls" difficult.

6.Do you have any predictions to make?
Nope. Just a story to tell with details.

7.What is wrong with you- "terminal health"?
Cancer.

8.You altering your other self will alter the future, right?
Yes. History from 2011-2044 will unfold slightly differently from my actions but I will be deceased by then. Don't blame me for changing a future that has not yet happened to you.

9.Why have you been registered to this forum for over a month?
I registered here first because I used to post on TTF a long time ago/a few years from now and thought that was too causal but had problems logging onto this site- the moderator of this forum can attest to that. By the time it was cleared up, I already made first contact on TTF and didn't see the point in double posting.

recall15- thanks for the WST links- that short film is playing on a TV in the remake of the movie.
 
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Titorian-

I give everyone a fair chance here until their story stops making sense- if you're a real time traveller you should have nothing to worry about.

You say causality rules and you could pop out of existence and that applies completly to you. I see you have already given a lot of information over at TTF- how can you explain the fact that you're still here?
 
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Hello Titorian,
hello everyone,

How does the internet and computers of 2044 compare to the ones of 2007, I mean, I saw a lot of evolution in a few years, assuming you are from 2044, it should be a lot different, may you reveal us something?
What about the current (2007) conspiracies related to climate manipulation, may you say some words about this subject?

You're posting somewhere near Orlando in USA, are all time travelers from USA?

thanks for your time,
 
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"Pamela- by 2044 there are several documentaries and movies about John Titor and in them all to one degree or another are you, Darby and Javier who play either the people who chatted with Titor or people who stayed and kept his story alive and in 2044 you are deceased- sorry. I don't have/can't get a driver's license and Ohio is quite a ride for me to take a cab. I'll go OT re this. "

<font color="blue"> Darby out lives ME? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/ooo.gif I knew it the CIA finally does me in. lol

On a more serious note:

I have some questions but I am a lay person as well. Please explain it simply:

Since you are not part of this world your tensor feild is somewhat different I suppose.
Do you sometimes feel this? Do you feel side effects such as feeling out of vibration
with our world? Or become accutely aware of your own vibration? Can you ever be fully adjusted to this world?

and secondly, on the subject of coming into contact with your other self and disappearing.
Are you sure it is not the observation itself that causes this reaction or is it actually the
physical contact? How close would be a safe distance? Was this ever validated in any controlled
experiments or just a theory in your time?

Let us say you are standing at your other self's door in this world, you knock and he opens the door
can you describe what takes place in this situation? If the body of your older self disappears what happens to the spirit in that body? There is obviously a spirit in both bodies or is it the same spirit and it kind of lingers there for a second and then joins with the younger body?
Or are both spirit and body wiped out?

What are your thoughts on God?

Thanks in advance.

-Pamela [/COLOR]
 
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Titorian,
On a side note:

With all the videos and documentaries in which people are making and have made money off of our characters, names, and involvement with John are we ever going to see a dime of any of that ourselves? Is anyone ever going to ask us to become involved in something or are we just simply marketing tools for everyone else's profit?

What proof do you have that John was not a real time traveler? What do you know about John Titor?
Who was behind it? I feel I atleast deserve to know that being so involved with John. You can PM me if you want to. But I would like to have this info atleast before I die. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Pamela,

"What proof do you have that John was not a real time traveler?"

I've read in several posts where you use this logical fallacy. You do realize it is a logical fallacy, right? You do realize that attempting to prove a negative is a never-ending, and therefore illogical, prospect? The burden of proof is on "John Titor", not anyone having to prove he is not a real time traveler. Perhaps your use of such logical fallacy is why no one really takes you seriously?
 
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"I've read in several posts where you use this logical fallacy. You do realize it is a logical fallacy, right? You do realize that attempting to prove a negative is a never-ending, and therefore illogical, prospect? .............." Indazona quote.

<font color="blue"> Indazona, You do realize I was not talking to you don't you? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif [/COLOR]
 
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