Y2K, 2038 Unix timeout, IBM5100

After testing it was determined that fixing the 2038 Unix timeout error caused the legacy IBM applications, operating on Unix platforms with the aid of an emulator, to malfunction.
Emulator, hey? I am giggling a bit here. The actual problem is just that a signed 32-bit 2s-complement counter wraps to a negative number after you increment its maximum value. The counter will return an incorrect time and date because of it. The software may fail indeed or it may just work with an invalid date and time without an hickup.

Just set the the real-time clock to the date and time just before the critical increment and try it. No emulator needed. BTW: Did you know an IBM 5100 doesn't have a real-time clock?

And they need the 5100 with it’s unique abilities to fix the problem.
Ahum. Yes, we have seen how "unique" it is.
 
Titor: “Yes, the Pearl Harbor example relates to Y2K. Have you considered that I might already have accidentally screwed up your worldline?”
Nonlinear dynamics/chaos theory/butterfly effect.
 
A translator is needed to convert legacy programs in IBM S/360 executable (binary) files to another language in order to "fix" the legacy programs.
It is easier to just fix the problem than it is to port a binary program to another language. But that's just me. Software is like a complex system. Porting that complex system to an entirely different language will introduce bugs. So on top of the 2038 bug you create new bugs which will certainly be introduced by the port. Interesting. Doesn't sound credible to me, though.
 
[...] or some language compatible with Unix, like C is now.
You don't have an idea how wrong this statement is. C is not only "compatible" with Unix, it was used to write Unix. That's just one of several problems I have with that statement.
 
Try it today. Take an executable file on your PC, say Excel or any program of your choice, and convert it to assembly language or a high-level language of your choice. You'll soon find out why you need "something like the IBM 5100 with it's hidden capabilities" to help with the conversion.
ROFL.

Open up .NET 2003 and tell the debugger to debug Excel. Better still get yourself a disassembler instead. After disassembly find yourself an assembly-to-C converter. Then take a deep breath and start fixing the bugs caused by the port.

Hola... This is interesting. Look what I found:

IBM ASSEMBLY: ASM370 or ASM 370 To C Source Code Translator and Converter.

Now, isn't that handy?

And look... It even runs onder MS-DOS and Windows. Would be a nice addition for that IBM PC/XT 370, wouldn't it?

Just to make sure we are talking about the same thing. We are talking about converting machine code 1011 0110 0101 1111 0101 1100 ...... into a higher-level language so that it can be modified.

You will know the instruction set (that's easy) but you do not know if a piece of data, 1011 0110 0101 1111 0101 1100 ...... is an instruction, data, pointer (address), or constant.
Yes! We are talking about the same thing.


Does it support the IBM S/360 instruction set?
It sure does.
 
Titor: “The 5100 has the ability to easily translate between the old IBM code, APL, BASIC and (with a few tweaks in 1975) UNIX.”
I don't think it would be really easy. On pages 205 through 208 of the IBM 5100 APL reference manual you'll find a long list of compatibility issues with APLSV. That looks like more than just "a few tweaks".
 
MadIce,

Sorry. I thought I mentioned this before. I don't actually read your posts. I just like to see you go on a rant. As usual, you did not disappoint. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
MEM,

Sorry. I thought I mentioned this before. I don't actually read your posts. I just like to see you go on a rant. As usual, you did not disappoint.
With your credibility already on the ropes, this flippant response of yours is pretty much an admission that you are simply a troll. And this is all the explanation I need to understand why you've got such problems with Darby. Trolls don't like people who speak reasoned truths.

I suggest you read MadIce's responses thoroughly, and then try to restate your case about Titor and the validity of the IBM 5100 story. I'd really like to hear what you come up with next.

RMT
 
I suggest you read MadIce's responses thoroughly, and then try to restate your case about Titor and the validity of the IBM 5100 story. I'd really like to hear what you come up with next.

Why? I'm OK with the fact that we disagree on the issue of Titor. And I am gald to enter an intelligent discussion of some of titor's post with just about anyone.

MadIce and Darby are well-defined fervent anti-titor posters. This definition comes to anyone who simply reads their posts over at other baords. I've debated Darby about a number of titor claims. But his illogical conculsions are simply not worth responding to.

As far as MadIce. The only reason he is over here posting on this thread is because of what I posted on "his board." He came looking for me. Notice the last post to this thread was 6/20. So who is trolling here?

I insulted him and he kicked me off his board. And that's OK with me. The board I'm speaking of is about as anti-titor as it gets.

With your credibility already on the ropes

I appreciate your position but you must realize that I am not affected in the least by what you think. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
MEM, what is the differnce between a unix operating system and standard M.S. windows, for those of us who dont know?

It's I like MEM day here ar TTI, stop in and tell ME<M, our favorite MEM, how much you like him!?;)
 
MEM,
I've debated Darby about a number of titor claims. But his illogical conculsions are simply not worth responding to.
Not even to illustrate and provide evidence for his alleged illogic? That, to me, smacks of a higher degree of illogic than you claim that Darby eschews. If there is anyone I would never accuse of being illogical, that would be Darby.

Your patent reply of "not being worth responding to" is a classic ruse employed by someone who cannot actually counter an airtight argument. "I don't have time to tell you where you are wrong". How convenient!


MadIce and Darby are well-defined fervent anti-titor posters.
Yes, and its amazing how they provide solid, scientific evidence and analysis that backs-up precisely why they believe Titor is a hoax. And I, for one, have laid out a potential motive for the Titor hoaxers, one that should be taken seriously. And so I ask: What is so WRONG with being a well-defined, fervent anti-titor poster ESPECIALLY when you have thoughtful analysis to back up your position?

So far, I find your evidence in support of Titor weak, at best.
RMT
 
Not even to illustrate and provide evidence for his alleged illogic?

There you go. Flying off the handle. Did I say I did not provide evidence. Try thinking before you type.

Darby and I debated topics until it was clear to me that he was simply anti-titor. But don't take my word for it. Go back and read some of the posts.

Your patent reply of "not being worth responding to" is a classic ruse employed by someone who cannot actually counter an airtight argument. "I don't have time to tell you where you are wrong". How convenient!

Good example of a post not worth responding to.

What is so WRONG with being a well-defined, fervent anti-titor poster ESPECIALLY when you have thoughtful analysis to back up your position?

Here is a hint. There is no scientific evidence you or anyone can offer that refutes a scientific discovery made in 2036. Of course time travel is impossible, today. Can you offer me scientific proof it will not be possible in 2036.

Trying to refute that statement says a lot about the poster.


Some example dialogue between titor and darbyshire

darbe: It’s the Hawking Radiation that you can’t overcome. This radiation is separate from any other radiation given off by extemporaneous matter falling into the singularity. It is part of the description of a singularity per se absent any other matter. A singularity emits Hawking Radiation.

titor:Yes, that is true. If you firmly believe that Hawking radiation cannot be controlled or goes on even without the presence of virtual particles forever until the singularity explodes than you are correct.

darbe: A simple “E=Mc^2” isn’t the answer here.

titor: You asked where the mass comes from. I simply pointed out that mass and energy are interchangeable in the same equation. One of my Stanford pals tells me there is a running gag about the chances a VW Beetle spontaneously appearing inside the accelerator. It could only come from the transfer of energy to mass.

darbe: You have to form the singularity for your machine to work and that takes mass - real, not virtual mass.

titor: That is incorrect.

darbe: The truly faulty part of your description of your device involves the Hawking Radiation. You can’t overcome it and you can’t ignore it. Its not the size of the singularity that matters - its solely the mass involved that determines the temperature of the radiation.

titor: You seem to be quite upset and I understand your argument. I do however think it is important to gather the facts and probabilities before expelling emotional energy on them. Please keep in mind that I have not shared all the technical details of the machine with you. So an easy out would be for me to just make something up. However, and as I’m sure you are aware, Stephen Hawking admits that his own equations support the “possibility” that microsingularities may not totally disappear as they evaporate in a sea of virtual particles and in fact may leave behind a very stable naked singularity. I’m sure you can look that up. I suppose the difficult part is believing that we’ve taken advantage of it, not that it’s impossible.
 
MEM,
There you go. Flying off the handle.
I have not yet begun to fly off the handle. It will be evident to all if/when I do.

Try thinking before you type.
Nice. But is that the best you've got? Trolls tend to result to insults when they cannot address the facts that others have presented to destroy their little ego trips. And so we've seen in the past the way you insult Darby and MadIce. Oddly enough (not) it is always at the point they have you cornered!
There is no scientific evidence you or anyone can offer that refutes a scientific discovery made in 2036.
Silly little troll... that just further exhibits your lack of the scientific method. First, 2036 has not happened yet (not in this timeline, nor in any fantasy Titor timeline). Second, if you BELIEVE 2036 has happened already on some timeline, then you must first PROVE your belief if anything you are to state about any time after today is going to be taken scientifically seriously. Third, if you understand probability as it relates to time (which it is apparant you do not) then you would understand that the probability of a SPECIFIC event happening becomes lower as you project ahead in time than the probability of any general class of related events. Thus, to make a claim that "sometime in 2036 we learn how to travel through time" is decidedly (and mathematically) LESS likely to occur than "sometime in 2036 we finally understand the structure of time". This fact is evident in things like....ohhh...say EARTHQUAKE predictions! KnowhatImeanVerne? I could go on, but I don't have time to teach you all the science you'd need...
Of course time travel is impossible, today. Can you offer me scientific proof it will not be possible in 2036.
And just like a Troll, you always try to steer the direction of the conversation to put the burden of proof on the skeptic. Hello! MEM! Care to join the 21st Century and obey the accepted principles of science? I've pointed this out to YOU in the past, and to other die-hards like Hercules. I will state it again, but I don't think you will address it... just like you ignored it in the past....AHEM. The burden of proof for ANY statement that cannot be verified with today's evidence lies upon YOU (and your pal Titor). It is ACCEPTED that the future is not yet written, and the events in the future are probabilistic. If you wish to challenge that ACCEPTED view (which is backed by plenty of data), then YOU, my friend, have some proving of your own to do. And it also shows how narrow-minded you are to simply skip over the biggest problem with Titor's story, the same problem which gives his story "cover".

Trying to refute that statement says a lot about the poster.
Yeah, it would say such a person is not scientific. For the burden is not on someone to refute it, rather it is on the claimant to PROVE it.

Get crackin'. I don't have time to deal with people of your illogic. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I'm sorry. You must be confused. I'm not trying to convince you of anything.
Oh really? Then why all the Time wasted on your pro-Titor (and less than scientific) gyrations? Oh, that's right! Because THAT is exactly what a Troll wishes to do! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

RMT
 
RMT,

OK. I understand now. Your still in high school. You had me going there for a minute. I thought I was talking to an adult.

You are now on ignore. So post away. I won't be reading it. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
OK. I understand now. Your still in high school. You had me going there for a minute. I thought I was talking to an adult.

You are now on ignore. So post away. I won't be reading it.
Mmmmm Kay! You go right ahead and ignore my points and leave them unaddressed. You've done it in the past, and I guess I would expect you to continue to avoid the hard questions. Doesn't suit your agenda, yes? I understand.

RMT
 
Rainman has failed to tell us all, just who he was, when he was here at TTI before.

I have my own theories.

>Description of who Rainman is.

Portaly gentleman with a round tummy, wears a red coat, has white beard, white hair, as ability to shimmy down chimneys with toys for girls and boys.
 
OK. I understand now. Your still in high school. You had me going there for a minute. I thought I was talking to an adult.
Insult after insult. Nothing constructive. I see just hate and suspicion in you.

You are now on ignore. So post away. I won't be reading it.
Nah, you are too curious for that and you cannot control your anger. That's why I think you can't. You even respond to me and I was on your ignore-list.
 
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