Titor story is all a lie, heres why:

When Buzzmaker (the producer of the Radio Program) was posting on Anomalies he flat out admitted that the extra manual pages that were added to the Titor Book were faked in (late) 2003 by the Book Staff at the JTF.

Those pages were also processed with software that used the Lead Technologies V1.01 engine. Same embedded header as the 2000-2001 documents.
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You mean to say ... (gulp!) ... that (gasp!) ... that .... omg ..."they were fake?" (sarcasm intended)

Thank the gods of timetravel, ... that I ...knew? ...that Titor was a hoax; I hate to be made to look like a fool you know!

You were there when Titor posted wern'tcha Darby?

What was your take on old Johnny boy at the time?
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nitescott,

You might have missed the point. It's no secret that the additional pages were faked. Buzzmaker said (if he's to be believed) that he, at least, thought that Titor was an online RPG and he assumed that the book staff was under the same impression...thus faking pages was no big deal to them. It was just an act of adding new fictional details to already existent fiction.

We had Titor who submitted some photos and graphics to "Doc's" site in November 2000 (via Pamela) so they could be posted anonymously to websites. Those documents were processed with Lead Technologies V1.01 engine. In fact all of the graphics submitted by Titor between November 2000 and March 2001 were processed with Lead Technologies V1.01.

Almost four years later Buzzmaker admitted that the JTF book writing staff faked some additional manual pages that were included in specific versions of the Titor Book. The new ("faked") pages were also processed the graphics using Lead Technologies V1.01 engine.

Most people already know that the John Titor Foundation's book writing staff faked the documents. What most people didn't know is that in late 2003 the JTF apparently used the same software to process their graphics as did Boomer back in 2000.

As I said on Anomalies, I'm not a graphics guru therefore I don't know just how unusual it is for the JTF and Boomer to have chosen a software product that uses the Lead Technologies' engine. But that software is not your standard "Photoshop-type" commercial product that you pick up at CompUSA.

The object of the drill is to help identify, through some form of forensic evidence, who Boomer is, i.e., that the book writing staff and Group Titor may closely related.

Some people have submitted that the JTF is not related to the original Titor and that they are just some folks who saw a possibility to make some money long after the fact. The Lead Technologies header may have some bearing on the issue.

Just an aside, "Doc" also used the same software to process some of his own graphics that he posted to the Internet circa 2000-2001. "Doc" is associated with Tap-Ten and Gary Voss. (Time2012). That "factoid" may mean nothing...but it when I saw the same Lead Technologies V1.01 header in Doc's docs a few years ago it was enough of a coincidence to cause me to save copies of the graphics.

Saving those graphics was apparently a good call. The site where they were posted no longer exists and Tap-Ten's new site does not have them in their archive.
 
nitescott,

What was your take on old Johnny boy at the time?
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Pretty much the same as today. Piss poor physics, good gift of the gab, decent writer, trained debater and outstanding propogandist.

His physics story simply makes no sense at all. It's a mix of his own sci-fi imagination and a multitude of Internet website info. Virtually none of his physics "facts" come from scholastic/professional sites or classrooms. It was bad enough that when a real physicist (Dr. Dave Trott, PhD) started posting questions to him he suddenly found that "one window of two" and made his exit. (Dave was actually a PhD candidate in early 2001...he got his PhD a short time later).

But his keen understanding of how to target a specific audience (narrow-casting rarher than broadcasting) and propogandize and ultimately radicalize them was a gifted effort. He had a very specific political message but he chose to deliver it to a time travel audience rather than a political science audience. His selected audience had "open minds" and were willing to accept information that he delivered as fact even though he was never specific about much of anything. He left it vague and let his chosen audience fill in the details through their imagination...and attribute the facts to him. Very effective choice of modality. His endeavor was classical manipulation.

Outstanding.

That was my take then and it is my take now.
 
According to the story, Titor carried the hard copies of the photos and other documents along with him from 2036. To convert it into soft copies he needs to scan the photos and other documents with a scanner in 2000, and then post those IMAGE files online.


With LEADTOOLS you can control any scanner, digital camera or capture card that has a TWAIN device driver. High-level acquisition support is provided for ease of use, and low-level functionality is provided for flexibility and control in even the most demanding applications.

Using LEADTOOLS TWAIN capabilities, your application can:
• use the default user interface included with the TWAIN driver.
• create your own user interface to the driver interface.
• bypass the interface entirely for completely automated tasks or batch scanning.
• control the type of image which is acquired (black & white, b/w with halftone, grayscale, color - as supported by the device).
• control the resolution (dpi), position , size, and orientation of the image to be acquired.
• use the Automated Document Feeder for single and multi-page scans, including support for duplex scanning.
• use supplied events and callbacks to code your own special per-page processing
• use selection dialogs to allow selection of TWAIN source, or select among multiple TWAIN sources in code.
• use of native, buffered memory or file transfer modes when acquiring from a TWAIN device.
• flexibility to get and set all TWAIN v1.9 capabilities that the device's TWAIN driver supports.
• save of the device's TWAIN capability settings to a template file, helping to save multiple settings of sources and load them as needed.
• buffered memory transfer mode includes compression support. The scan data is compressed using JPEG, RLE, BITFIELDS, GROUP 3, GROUP 4 or PACKBITS to reduce the data transfer bottle neck.
• perform the save of the Memory Buffered Transfer data directly to a file.
• get the Extended Image Info that some TWAIN scanner drivers support. For example, if the scanner driver supports reading barcodes or patch codes, then that information could be retrieved via LEADTOOLS TWAIN support.

http://www.leadtools.com/SDK/Raster/Raster-Scanning-Twain.htm


To process the data from the scanner, a software would be needed and to convert it to .jpg format. That is the format Titor posted the image files. What is the difference if Titor scanned the photos or he created it, it would indicate the picture is processed with Lead Tools.

If Titor is a “clever” Fraud, as he has proven to be, he would have “created” the pictures and photos, printed it with a printer and then scanned it using a scanner. That is the tactics all hoaxers would use to be safe to avoid from being exposed. There would be no evidence to expose their flaws.
 
Hi Darby,
Heh - I see that the Sierra Hotel is on your case for a change. Fox two!
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Yeah, I just love their attention and affection. I only wish they would stick to science and facts rather than considering that "fantasy could be true". /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

RMT
 
MEM,

Usually it is common courtesy to cite a quotation that you lift from elsewhere, and include the quoted material in these things -> "". Oh, but then you might be subject to the same criticism of "cut and paste" that you levy on me. Wouldn't that be terrible!


As an historical aside it is worth noting that Ockham's razor was also falsely used to argue in favour of the older heliocentric theories against Galileo's notion of the vastness of the cosmos. The notion of vast empty interstellar spaces was too uneconomical to be believable to the Medieval mind. Again they were confusing the notion of vastness with complexity.
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Well that's hardly applicable in this case. Titor's work is hardly "vast", and there is no jeapordy of misconstruing his work as something as vast as space. And I would also say it is not complex. Rather, it is vague and therefore unverifiable. Make no mistake that Occam's Razor still relies on facts, not innuendo.

Here's a great example, and I am sure you are smart enough to see the direct correlation with the Titor story:
In science, the simplest theory that fits the facts of a problem is the one that should be selected. (snip)

A real life example of Occam's Razor in practice goes as follows:
Crop circles began to be reported in the 1970s. Two interpretations were made of the circles of matted grass. One was that flying saucers made the imprints. The other was that someone (human) had used some sort of instruments to push down the grass. Occam's Razor would say that given the lack of evidence for flying saucers and the complexity involved in getting UFOs from distant galaxies to arrive on earth (unseen and traveling faster than the speed of light I suppose) the second interpretation is simplest. The second explanation could be wrong, but until further facts present themself it remains the preferable theory. As it turns out, Occam's Razor was right as two people admitted to making the original crop figures in the 1990s (and the rest have apparently been created by copy-cats). Despite this fact, some people still ignore Occam's Razor and instead continue to believe that crop circles are being created by flying saucers.
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From: http://www.2think.org/occams_razor.shtml

So do you still believe crop circles COULD be created by UFOs MEM? Nice try, but you didn't succeed in taking us off topic.
RMT
 
WTF are you doing even posting on a tt board?
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Because I've got a decent grasp of scientific principles (better than some I know), and I also have some extensions to existing science that I think can explain time. Beyond that I am still interested in building a Merkaba. Dealing with trolls like you is just a side occupation...call it a hobby.

Something that is easy for you to grasp.
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Yep. It was just about time for you to resort to this. Guess you ran out of credible arguments?

RMT
 
I believe he did respond to your SCIENTIFIC, dealing with FACTS, and adhering to LOGIC post. You just didn't like what he wrote.
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Too bad he could not address my points with SCIENCE, FACTS, and LOGIC. Instead, like you, Herc always seems to want to turn the burden of proof for his claims on me, especially when it is shown to him how he relies on things that are not proven. That's something that not only I do not like, but most people who seek truth don't like.

RMT
 
You keep talking. I asked you why you said my respose to einstein was irrelevant. You keep ignoring the "technical" part of it saying it is vague and I am changing the point. Can you explain the "technical flaw" in my argument in this thread, if you ASSUME it is flawed?
 
Herc,

I've had similar interactions with RMT. Get ready for the "titor is a fraud" counterpoint with no supporting facts. He pulls that out when he gets his facts screwed up of cannot support his stance.

Is it just a coincidence or does every "titor-is-a-fraud" poster seem to have lower than normal IQs?
 
To process the data from the scanner, a software would be needed and to convert it to .jpg format. That is the format Titor posted the image files. What is the difference if Titor scanned the photos or he created it, it would indicate the picture is processed with Lead Tools.

If Titor is a “clever” Fraud, as he has proven to be, he would have “created” the pictures and photos, printed it with a printer and then scanned it using a scanner. That is the tactics all hoaxers would use to be safe to avoid from being exposed. There would be no evidence to expose their flaws.
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Let's pretend that John did scan some Photos in to a scanner. For somebody so proficient in computer science and technology he did not do a very good job in making quality scans. By the year 2000, and by many standards years earlier, flat bed scanners have been capable of wonderful quality scans.

To me it appears as though the pictures were taken with a digital camera of quality of which was around the time of 2000, maybe a bit older because if John is a fraud it doesn't mean he necessarily had the latest digital camera of the time. If the pictures came from digital scans from 2036, there really no reason for the quality to be that bad in a world of time machines and other future technology. Remember John did not say that technilogical progress was completely holted.


Digital Cameras were not that big in 2000. For your theory to be correct John would have had to have brought hard copy photos from the future. I’m going to just assume in order for John to have botched the scans up that badly probably means that he would have had to do it on purpose.


/ttiforum/images/graemlins/ooo.gif But...OH OH, maybe uhm you know he did that to keep a sense of disbelief, point is this discussion could go on FOREVER!




I wonder….If in a few decades in say... 2030, if there were a war back in 2015 between Russia and the USA, I could see future people debating if the war was "Titor's War" or if it was brought forth by curving the people into following his story.

If there is no war as of 2030 there will be people standing around debating whether or not they avoided war by listening to John, it will never end.

So take Titor’s story with a grain of salt because it may be true, but current science says it’s not. It is like the statistics of a plane crash, you may feel worried that a plane may crash, but with our current political situation we are already on that plane. All you can really do now is fasten your seatbelts and keep an eye on the nearest exit because it's going to be a bumpy ride.
 
Are you still googling and trying to find information?
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I do have a job, you know. I'd love to watch you ignore my points all day and call you on it, but I have to get some work done too.


You keep ignoring the "technical" part of it saying it is vague and I am changing the point.
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Sure, I know how you work. You wish to continue to ignore the points I have made (and thereby not have to admit your thinking was incorrect and unscientific), yet here you want to order me around to address things you want addressed. Tell you what, you go back and address a couple of the things you left hanging in the other IBM/Y2k thread and I'll respond to this one.

And then there is:
You simply ASSUME. That is not a good practice in analyzing issues.
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"Hello Kettle, this is the pot. You are black". If you go back to the IBM/Y2K thread (and I believe in another thread) this was exactly what I was telling you was wrong with your analysis! You have (and continue) to assume too much, and that does not work in your "proof". The worst part is how you assum heresay is truth. I'm glad you finally agree with me. So does that mean you are going to go back and change/revisit all your assumptions in your failed "proof"?


RMT
 
And oh by the way:

Can you explain the "technical flaw" in my argument in this thread, if you ASSUME it is flawed?
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Yes, indeed, I CAN address this. And once again the answer will reveal that you only take your analysis so deep (not deep enough).

You address some of the issues you ignored, and I will tell you what is technically improbable about your latest "theory".

RMT
 
Hi bcforn64,

I'm with you on most of what you say. In fact, this whole issue of the quality of photos and "evidence" that Titor provided is interesting when compared to something that Titor, himself, claimed about his time. In Titor's OWN WORDS:

"The technology to express yourself with video is so readily available that many people do it all by themselves or in small groups. Much of the distribution is over the web."

Yeah... so that's not conflicting with the poor quality of the laser photo, now is it? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/devil.gif

Get a grip people.
RMT
 
"The technology to express yourself with video is so readily available that many people do it all by themselves or in small groups. Much of the distribution is over the web."

Yeah... so that's not conflicting with the poor quality of the laser photo, now is it?
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So your contention is that it is impossible that titor brought a photo that was scanned when he was here? Therefore he is a fraud?
 
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