Titor question?

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matt4787

Temporal Novice
On johntitor.com under the civil war section. Titor stated this:

"They were set in motion ten, twenty, even thirty years ago. Are you really surprised to find out that Iraq has nukes now or is that just BS to whip everyone up into accepting the next war?"





I was just wondering if he actually posted that or if that might of been added to make it like he did say it.
 
apparently according to wikipedia he did say it. He also said some things that are untrue unless the world was turned upsidedown. I'll reaveal what they are when the opposite happens, wouldn't want to be caught wrong. haha.

he also said that 'the president' (funny didn't use a name) in 2005 is trying to be lincon to keep the country together, and I must honestly say, Bush is doing no such thing and 2005 is half over. Also posted some 'guesses' about Israel which are very very far off from the truth.

Also about 2009 he reffered to the president as 'him/her' can't decide what the gender of the president is? I don't think we're a liberal enough countr yet to have someone who's both.
 
Yeah. But that one prediction seems pretty specific. Considering 9/11 attacks havent even happened yet. I am not saying he is real but saying it is very interesting. Considering he constantly says he is from another worldline maybe the divergence on our worldline is bigger than what he thought or something.
 
If anything that just shows the age of the author. He's lived through it when he was our age, so it was hardly a prediction.
 
Well of course my obvoius first response is 'lucky guess' but if you look into it the only guess was Iraq. The fact that anyplace we would invade does or does not have WMD is a non issue. Iraq was a logical target being as how Bush was quoted "I will crush anyone who threatened my father." There were WMD in Iraq, though nothing enough to be worried about, Israel tracked certain amounts of biochemical material trafficked into Iran before we invaded. Though it wasn't enough that Israel was worried enough to look into it.

Apparently we caught them just before they started anything serious, if they were getting serious.
 
Matt,

The quote is correct. Roel, Rainman and I were "present" when he posted it. It wasn't changed by Oliver Williams.

But it's not a big "prediction" for Titor, one way or the other. Here's a quote for you:

Just two hours after U.S. warplanes began attacking Iraq on January 16, President Bush went on national television to report the goals of the assault. "As I report to you, air attacks are under way against military targets in Iraq. We are determined to knock out Saddam Hussein's nuclear bomb potential," the president said, before ticking off other objectives.
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"President Bush" in this report was not G.W. Bush. This is Poppa Bush and the quote is from January 16th, 1991.

http://www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art_ofn=mar91albright_015

It's simply one more Titorism that folks didn't bother to research to see if it was new information or something that was topical when Titor posted it...or even old news by the time he posted it. Speculation about Iraq's renewed nuclear weapons program was more than ten years old before Titor posted.

Remember, in 1981 Israel knocked out Iraq's nuclear reactor in Baghdad just before it went online. That's 20 years before Titor.
 
Matt:

As you can see from some of the responses to your question there are a few posters who are determined to "prove" Titor a fraud. Unfortunately, their rebuttals are quite lame as demonstrated by Darby's irrelevant response to your question.

If you discover any reasonable rebuttal to Titor's posts, please let me know. I'm eager to hear one.
 
It's not proof he's a fraud, it's proof someone could have produced a fraud. (Someone old who had lived through vietnam and the wars that followed, or a young guy who likes history)

IMO that means it's not fair to call it prediction.
 
MEM,

As you can see from some of the responses to your question there are a few posters who are determined to "prove" Titor a fraud. Unfortunately, their rebuttals are quite lame as demonstrated by Darby's irrelevant response to your question.
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At least our rebuttals stand on their own. Whereas those who seek to validate the Titor story must always (eventually) use the "crutch" of something along this line: "Well maybe when Titor said X, he was really HINTING at Y." To me, that is much more lame than the reasoned responses that Titor non-believers bring to the table. We do not attempt to intepret his vague statements. That is all they were: Vague statements. To try to turn them into specifics, you are now no longer analyzing Titor's story, you are instead analyzing your interpretation of Titor's story.

Still waiting for Yellowstone to blow?

RMT
 
Matt,

Irrespective of my bad little puppy's response (we're still working on house breaking the little guy and are at the "rub nose in poop" and saying "bad puppy!" stage) my response was (I hope) appropriate to your post.

If I got your message correct you seemed to be asking if Oliver WIlliams edited Titor's post at sometime after we went into Iraq to make it look like a "good" prediction. My response was that Williams hadn't edited the post and that Roel (the moderator here), RainmanTime and I were all posting with Titor when he made the Iraq post. We saw it when it was posted and it hasn't been changed.

I expanded on the idea because Titor's post leaves him two "outs" - Atomic weapons are found in Iraq and atomic weapons aren't found in Iraq. Pretty vague as a prediction.

But in the sense that Titor may have pulled a rabbit out of a hat (Iraq, WMD's and American intervention in Iraq) that no one had previously contemplated simply isn't the case.

Iraq's nuclear weapons program and that they were suspected of being in possession of nuclear weapons was topical news when Titor posted and had been topical for at least a decade.

At the time that he made the post we were still in Iraq and we were flying combat sorties every day and dropping bombs and firing missles on Iraqui positions several times a week (under the Clinton Administration).

In short, it didn't take a rocket scientist to figure that we were going to have to bring back the ground troops to Iraq in the near future.

What you make of that information is up to you, not me. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Darby,

If nothing else I do get a chuckle out of untwisting your logic.

What is significant is that WMDs and Iraq were the primary issue that arose AFTER we invaded Iraq. Identifying that issue is not an either they did/didn't and thus a 50/50 chance of being correct.

It is correctly identifying that as an issue several years before it happened. Read the post:

Are you really surprised to find out that Iraq has nukes now or is that just BS to whip everyone up into accepting the next war?"
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The key word here is NEXT WAR. Not the previous war.

What I find so remarkable is that you, Darby, are not just wrong some of the time. What is truly remarkable is that you are wrong all of the time. I mean, what are the odds of that!
 
i have a couple of questions/statements
1. if john titor was here and his actions of telling us he was here changed someones views that had something to do with the civil war he could have completely stopped it from happening right?

2. the U.S government now is very powerful and wants to stay very powerful, in john's time most likely the politicians would be the same way just want more power.. so why not use their time machine and stop the civil war so the government would be way more powerful then?

3. i dont understand how people interpret this quote "They were set in motion ten, twenty, even thirty years ago. Are you really surprised to find out that Iraq has nukes now or is that just BS to whip everyone up into accepting the next war?" to mean that there were no WMD's in iraq.. it doesn't say that, the quote could be considered right either way things happened

4. (a little off topic) Were George Bush Senior and Georgy jr. both members of skull and bones or was it just jr.?

5. titor stated something along the lines of "we are close to civilian time travel" in some post if this was true wouldnt someone else come forward and claim they were a time traveler? juts a hardcore military soldier would, not a civilian?

6. most of titors posts were vague and phrased in such a way as to make them applicable to many events (countless times in history the 100k dead thing could be applied) and anyone could say that WW3 is coming.. the secret societies planned 3 world wars after all..
 
The quote is correct. Roel, Rainman and I were "present" when he posted it. It wasn't changed by Oliver Williams.
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I assume that "he" refers to JT?

So who was Rainman back then? I remember when the current RMT joined these boards...long after JT left.
 
1. if john titor was here and his actions of telling us he was here changed someones views that had something to do with the civil war he could have completely stopped it from happening right?

Unfortunately, I have decided not to discuss events that you or I can do anything about. It is important that they be a surprise.
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2.the U.S government now is very powerful and wants to stay very powerful, in john's time most likely the politicians would be the same way just want more power.. so why not use their time machine and stop the civil war so the government would be way more powerful then?

I was not sent here to change anything. Since it would not affect my home anyway, it would be rather pointless.
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3.i dont understand how people interpret this quote "They were set in motion ten, twenty, even thirty years ago. Are you really surprised to find out that Iraq has nukes now or is that just BS to whip everyone up into accepting the next war?" to mean that there were no WMD's in iraq.. it doesn't say that, the quote could be considered right either way things happened.

I get no pleasure out of being right when it comes to CJD disease, war in the Middle East or suffering people in far away lands.
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6. most of titors posts were vague and phrased in such a way as to make them applicable to many events (countless times in history the 100k dead thing could be applied) and anyone could say that WW3 is coming.. the secret societies planned 3 world wars after all..

That’s really true. Every time I hear predictions, they are vague. For instance, take Nostradamus. Thousands of interpretations can be made out of his Quatrains. But still people are pursuing them.

The difference between Titor and any other prophet is that, he predicted the war in 2004/2005(pretty vague there). If not 2004, then its 2005. If not 2005, Titor is BS.
 
There is thinking going on in the science field, as of yet, a couple of hundred years according to the scientists "Ori" who is an Israeli scientist over there at the Institute (something) and recently came out with needing a donut-shaped mass for time travel listed in another thread right here at the Time Travel Institute by Mop, where there is a link to the article maybe even still on page 1 here from Nature.com or something like that:

Nope on page 2 already: (thread )
Nature.com: Gravity doughnut promises time machine

http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=34344&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor

http://www.anomalies.net/time_travel/john.html

Original pictures shown but cleaned up by Titor:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010522234641/http://artbell.com/letters11.html

First 5 pages of the Art Bell BBS Forum -- Post to Post in the Archive, but only the first 5 pages -- and the last page -- because the Art Bell BBS Forum ended in May of 2001, and the crawler did not archive the entire thread, and could not because like other websites that go down or change names, it was gone, and the web crawler program does not archive everything anyway.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010516223421/http://bbs.artbell.com/
http://web.archive.org/web/20010603064617/bbs.artbell.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=25
Now for the "I am from 2036" thread at that time, and as it was back in 2001:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010413040119/bbs.artbell.com/showthread.php?threadid=1203

A thread about the thread "Time Travel Paradoxes" at the original place: (link no good, thread was corrupted and could not be re-instated)
http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/...=true#Post11227

Page 75 of the original forum (here): (Time travel discussion)
The original thread "Time Travel Paradoxes" here but only the first post:
http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=8772&page=74&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

page 70 or so of the original forum (here):
The thread "Topic Limited to 11 Pages?" original thread:
http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=9237&page=&view=&sb=&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

page 31 or 32 at Anomalies:
The original thread "I am from 2040" --- (Titor Nemesis!)
http://communities.anomalies.net/cg...ic;f=9;t=000032

page 28 (whatever page at the moment) at Anomalies}>
The original thread saved from TTI of "Time-travel Paradoxes" (and as you can see the first post is the same post listed at the TTI link!)
http://communities.anomalies.net/cg...ic;f=9;t=000277

The original thread at Anomalies of "I am from 2036" (slightly edited and not really changed and I know, I still have it, and all the place mats of the original postings make it difficult to even work with, but a very few post were deleted that were not needed):
http://communities.anomalies.net/cg...ic;f=9;t=000024

The entire original thread can still be read from Anomalies on the John Picture Page there, and can be downloaded to read at home:
http://www.anomalies.net/time_travel/john.html ---- as it says there on that page!

That is about it for the person posting as John Titor except for the "chats" and one is listed at the Anomalies page of John the Time Traveller, as well as the Faxes posted to Art Bell, that one can find also at Anomalies. The rest of the original threads are a discussion about what John Titor said, and do not include his postings, so I did not list those threads. The original thread "Parallel Universe" I could not find earlier today, but the link at MadIce's website is still good:
http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=9086&page=&view=&sb=&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

Funny how you can look through pages and pages of topic threads, and not find the ones you want to!
Also here is the thread "Parallel Universe" at the only place I can find it -- MadIce's website:
http://timetravelportal.com/viewtopic.php?t=550

You can also read about science here:
http://arxiv.org/

Dr. Brown's reply is listed at the first thread link at the Wiki-Encyclopedia - Wikipedia website and physicists do not think so, but that thread is over somewhere at Anomalies whereever all the e-mails to those scientists was discussed -- I am not going to look it all up, because it is buried in a ton of consumer electronics postings on discussion forums!

Something else may be somewhere someone may know or have read about, with all the other tons of consumer electronics postings about Titor over the 5 years and all the debate and all the readings, one can probably soon die from just from reading about all of it if one wanted to, but again, as it happened or is happening, I do not remember most of it anyway even still!

It is still debated whether or not all these sentences are actually building a parallel universe of electrons from all the postings about Titor, but that is highly exagerated, and no one really is building a parallel universe from all the postings about Titor!

Darby, others, me are all original posters and the threads seem to have started here, but then, there may be earlier postings some of which were chats and some which no one seems to actually look for, or are gone, or it was never done, but who knows, in all this time travel stuff about Titor!

Now for that one song, I forget the name to:

I just mad about Titor!
Titor mad about me!
Duh, duh, duh-duh-duh, doo-waw!
Do, do, do-do-da, dee!


Oh, the reactions of listeners of the CoasttoCoastAM radio show when JohnTitor.com presented his version of Titor, but he is not an original poster:
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2004/08/10.html#t

Other website that took out some copyrights (?):
http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/

That is all I am posting!

URL postings edited to make the links work!
Still some links do not work!
 
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