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paladius

Re: TTI is once again DEAD [re: TimeCrime1986]

04/17/11 08:49 PM (74.44.78.62)

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This bbs is communication hub. That is its purpose. Everything else is just camouflage. If X needs to tell Y something but X and Y are not in the same time, then this site works within a certain frame period. Once Y receives information and responds to X if need be, a record of X's original post need not exist anymore. The majority of posts and comments are by people interested in TT, but not involved in TT. This acts as the perfect screen, while allowing the original purpose to be broadcast over the internet.

It really works quite well actually.

 
It is a claim, when you offer no proof except "fine don't believe me" you sound like a child. Either offer up proof or go to the "Claims" forum with the rest of the compulsive liars.

 
It is a claim, when you offer no proof except "fine don't believe me". Either offer up proof or go to the "Claims" forum !
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Wow, look, it is possible to write a post and exclude personal attacks.BTW: The reason why the Time Travel Claims Section was created in the first place was due to the volume/quantity of posts of people claiming to BE time travelers.

Paladius isn't claiming to BE a time traveler in this thread, but is merely discussing the idea that the time line has changed. Hmm...discuss, time, and change. He could have also decided to post in the Paranormal Section, or the Conspiracies Section, but those Sections aren't specifically about "time" or any changes within the timeline thereof.

Looks like he selected the appropriate forum to me.

That this site is used by time travelers as a message board, who knows, just maybe he's right. ;)

As a matter of fact, I for know for certain that there are several threads that contain hidden messages. I, myself, created some of those "hidden" messages, which haven't been discovered by anyone that I know of, yet.

Regarding the idea that the timeline has changed, I sometimes wonder what would happen IF someone did indeed travel back in time and WAS able to cause changes. Sometimes, I ponder on the possibility that Deja Vu events are caused by us re-living our lives, again.

Afterall, IF someone in the future does travel back into the past, and doesn't return to their own time, wouldn't that create a loop of sorts, causing a portion of time to play out over and over again?

"I" can't proclaim to know exactly "how" Deja Vu is caused, but , it sure is strange to be (i.e.) sitting on the couch watching television with the family, then have the sudden feeling that I've has been through the exact same event before and for some reason, knowing what the wife is going to do or say next AND it happens.

Although, Paladius might not be providing a satisfactory answer to some people, does not make him sound like a child, nor indicates in any way that he is a compulsive liar.

 
Umm actually Deja vu is a glitch in the brain that when you look at something it registers in your memory before your active conscious

The most likely explanation of djà vu is not that it is an act of "precognition" or "prophecy", but rather that it is an anomaly of memory, giving the false impression that an experience is "being recalled".[4][5] This explanation is substantiated by the fact that the sense of "recollection" at the time is strong in most cases, but that the circumstances of the "previous" experience (when, where, and how the earlier experience occurred) are quite uncertain or known to be impossible. Likewise, as time passes, subjects can exhibit a strong recollection of having the "unsettling" experience of djà vu itself, but little or no recollection of the specifics of the event(s) or circumstance(s) they were "remembering" when they had the djà vu experience. In particular, this may result from an overlap between the neurological systems responsible for short-term memory and those responsible for long-term memory (events which are perceived as being in the past). The events would be stored into memory before the conscious part of the brain even receives the information and processes it
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9j%C3%A0_vu

 
That's one thoery. As is pointed out in beginning of the quote " Most likely " is not an absolute. According to a Science " How Stuff Works " article, the concluding paragraph states:

" Although djà vu has been studied as a phenomenon for over a hundred years and researchers have advanced tens of theories about its cause, there is no simple explanation for what it means or why it happens. "

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Deja Vu experiences might be caused by different factors. That I have been married for 15 years, and experience a Deja Vu moment; that I can chalk it up to a forgotten similar experience is a reasonable explaination.

However, there are experiences that don't seem to fit that particular theory as quoted in Wikipedia.

As a counter to the Wiki quote is this:

"Some researchers, including Swiss scientist Arthur Funkhouser, firmly believe that precognitive dreams are the source of many djà vu experiences. J.W. Dunne, an aeronautical engineer who designed planes in World War II, conducted studies in 1939 using students of Oxford University. His studies found 12.7 percent of his subjects' dreams to have similarities with future events. Recent studies, including one by Nancy Sondow in 1988, have had similar results of 10 percent.

These researchers also tied evidence of precognitive dreams to djà vu experiences that occurred anywhere from one day to eight years later. "

" There are more than 40 theories as to what djà vu is and what causes it, and they range from reincarnation to glitches in our memory processes. In this article, we'll explore a few of those theories to shed some light on this little understood phenomenon. "

( How Deja Vu Works )

The Wiki quote is merely referring to one out of many theories, and whomever wrote the Wiki article including "Most Likely" in "his" description does NOT make his particular theory so.

 
No you're right KerrTexas, the more PLAUSIBLE and SANE explanation is that Deja Vu is people picking up on alternate universes and changes in the timeline. lol

 
No you're right KerrTexas, the more PLAUSIBLE and SANE explanation is that Deja Vu is people picking up on alternate universes and changes in the timeline. lol
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" There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

 
"Some researchers, including Swiss scientist Arthur Funkhouser, firmly believe that precognitive dreams are the source of many djà vu experiences. J.W. Dunne, an aeronautical engineer who designed planes in World War II, conducted studies in 1939 using students of Oxford University. His studies found 12.7 percent of his subjects' dreams to have similarities with future events. Recent studies, including one by Nancy Sondow in 1988, have had similar results of 10 percent.These researchers also tied evidence of precognitive dreams to djà vu experiences that occurred anywhere from one day to eight years later. "
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This is a problem with scientific studies, if indeed this is a scientific study. You've referenced an article that states: "[Dunne] found 12.7 percent of his subjects' dreams to have similarities with future events."

What the heck does that mean? What is Dunne indicating, specifically and scientifically, when he concludes that the events were "similar" to the dreams? How did he determine that 12.7% was statistically significant? Is 12.7% statistically significant? Without any basic parameters and definitions it sounds a bit more like researcher bias than a valid conclusion.

"Recent studies, including one by Nancy Sondow in 1988, have had similar results of 10 percent."

How is 10% similar to 12.7%? One might say that it is just 2.7% different but that's not entirely true if we're using percentages. The variance between 10% and 12.7% is a whopping 21.6%. Again it sounds a bit more like researcher bias than a statistical analysis. It also indicates the way that results can be manipulated through the use of percentages rather than other more appropriate statistical analysis tools.

How did Sondow determine that 10% was statistically significant? Why didn't she, instead, state that she observed a 90% failure rate?

"[Dunne conducted] studies in 1939 using students of Oxford University."

Dunne had an experimental group of Oxford students. The first question is were they all the experimental group or were they divided into a control group and experimental group? The second question is to question the group itself. Oxford University students are not a cross section of the general population. The third question has to be the qualifications of an aeronautical engineer to conduct university level behavioral science experiments, which leads back to the initial question.

"These researchers also tied evidence of precognitive dreams to djà vu experiences that occurred anywhere from one day to eight years later."

Given a ~3000 day window of opportunity the researchers could find just about anything that they wanted to find. And that's the crux - finding what they wanted to find. An Oxford student has a dream that he was driving a red Porsche. Eight years later he's driving a red Porsche. Does the researcher count that as a "hit"? Or does the researcher conclude that the rather wealthy Oxford student wanted to own a red Porche one day and when the opportunity arose he bought a red Porsche? What were the parameters on determining a hit? Researcher bias raises its ugly head once more. And once more it refers back to the initial question.

In one article there are at least three glaring though maybe not entirely obvious to everyone instances of probable researcher bias. This has been the norm rather than the exception in every university paranormal science research effort - researcher bias. It is the very reason why there are no longer any such programs left in the USA.

 
DejaVu is an interesting topic, although is not what I am referring to. Maybe it could be connected to sensing changes in timelines, I do not know.

For anyone interested though... TimeLine was changed again. May 20th, 2011, 1:10ish pm EST

 
DejaVu is an interesting topic, although is not what I am referring to. Maybe it could be connected to sensing changes in timelines, I do not know.
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Because you're not a scientist we can allow you more "wiggle room" than if you were. However your statement has the same issue as I was refering to in the previous post - lack of a clear definition of the critical terms.You often refer to sensing a change in the timeline. What does that statement mean? What do you mean by "timeline" and what do you mean by "change"? This isn't meant to be nit-picking. Everyone has to be on the same page when responding to a post and shouldn't be guessing at what you mean.

 
Darby:

LoL! Excellent points. I was also waiting for someone to point out that even if the research had been done without bias and the proper controls in place, that the research was also done long ago, the first being 1939, the other being dated as of 1988.

I would imagine that those in the know; have come to understand the dynamics of Deja Vu a bit more now with the advancement of technology and such, than someone back in 1939. As far as Swiss scientist Arthur Funkhouser, can't find out much about him with a quick google search. Dont have the time nor inclination to do any further searching on the man and his studies.

 
When I refer to a timeline change, I mean that either the past was altered which then changed the present as we used to knew it to what we now know it to be. Or... That the future was changed and our path leading upto it needed to be altered to fit the paradigm (this is separate topic on how time works that I'm not going to get into here - point being, when I say "timeline changed", it means the present has been altered).

Now when the present is altered most people do not realize it, as their memories (a networked mess of various energy forms) change with the timeline paradigm. That is how we are supposed to be wired. My memory works similar, but exactly like that. I am able to retain certain memories of alternate timelines.

I know by answering a question I likely create more questions, and I don't want to be a target of a witch hunt. So, lets just leave it that I am either telling the truth about changes in the timeline or utterly [censored] out of my mind. I happy with folks here believing either, as my posting of changes, is not information directed at any registered user, who posts a response.

 
FYI - timeline changed again about 2pm-ish EST 5.23.2011

I do not know who is doing this or why. Seems like a lot of [censored] with the system all of a sudden. Last time timelines were changed this often was 8-2006 thru end of 2007 period.

Take or leave it. I'm not here to start a debate. Just offering the information.

 
I know by answering a question I likely create more questions, and I don't want to be a target of a witch hunt. So, lets just leave it that I am either telling the truth about changes in the timeline or utterly [censored] out of my mind. I happy with folks here believing either, as my posting of changes, is not information directed at any registered user, who posts a response.
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Then why post your thoughts on a discussion forum? If you just want to post your personal thoughts without having to suffer questions why not start a personal blog and be done with it?Anyway, this partucular thread has lost my interest.

 
Paladius;

At this moment, I neither accept nor deny your premise that the time line has changed. You have offered no supporting evidence or even presented a statement as to what you believe the change has been. Without such evidence your statement, that the time line has been changed, is meritless and without sincerity.

Perhaps, if you would care to enlighten the rest of us with your knowledge, we might have some inclination to believe you. As it stands now you have made this and earlier assertions that the time line has changed but I have not noticed any proof or statements as to the change involved. I for one would be interested to know what changes have taken place. Please understand I do not challenge your 'ability' to perceive changes in the time line but unless you offer some kind of evidence your premise is wanting.

 
I've had a couple of altervu occassions this year. I define "altervu" as a moment of recognition. The feeling is similar to a djà vu but instead of having lived this moment before, something is different or out of place. Then, you may notice changes in your personal life. As for who is changing what and when, let alone how, I can't say. In my experience though, the closer you are to the event, the bigger the ripple in your personal timeline. My experiences this year have left me with only minor differences ... conversations family members don't remember having that I remember clearly, a change in Windows 7 that makes it less usable than it was before (uhggg!) ... little changes that only I would notice. I can't prove any of these things. How do you prove a matter of perception? I do think everyone has the ability to notice these things. You just have to pay attention and not dismiss seemingly impossible things as a brain-glitch.

 
F-Jim,

I have not heard of the term altervu, but yes, that would be the most common way for people to know there was a timeline change. However, that just tells something changed previously, not the exact moment it changed. I'm not sure the exact moments even have significance.

My purpose of recording these moments of perceived observations is to maintain a record of them in cyber-media, offer the information to others who may be able to make use of it, and contact others who are also aware of these changes.

 
but you don't say what changes, so what is the point? Look at me look at me time changed and I realized it!!! Then when people ask me questions I will say I don't need to prove anything. The thing is, the timeline CAN'T change. If someone went into the past somehow and created a new future, a new universe would branch off. You would not have a memory of this change because you are on this timeline. I don't mean to be rude, but did it ever occur to you that maybe you have a brain disorder or something that would cause you to 'believe' you are seeing changes in the timeline? of course that wouldn't be possibility right?

 
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